Werewolf LVI: Beneath the Iron Cross - GAME OVER, VILLAGERS WIN!

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

My vote was going to be between one of two people (neither of which currently have a vote either) so I went retaliatory. So we'll see. I'm more than willing to switch for the good of village, believe me.

Just curious -- who were those people?

[PurdueBrad]

Pass, both people are veterans and both were on Hoops' list. I won't go further than that because, in all honesty, I think to do so would start a bandwagon run on me.

[oliegirl]

Vote Barkeep49

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Pass, both people are veterans and both were on Hoops' list. I won't go further than that because, in all honesty, I think to do so would start a bandwagon run on me.

Suit yourself. I guess I misread your post.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Suit yourself. I guess I misread your post.

Pass, you may not have misread (not sure), but I was only passing my vote on past games and lack of conversation thus far this game. I really have my normal, clueless, chicken with his head cut off (hopefully not villager with his head cut off!) read.

[saldana]

anyone got a vote count...i know they are all spread out...just wondering who my be ahead

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Why not Barkeep? Its more or less a random pick, of a guy that I think makes a dangerous wolf.

I defy you to state something in the last 12 minutes that I've done which was a dangerous wolf move. When I played a wolf in 6 of my first 8 games, or some such ridiculousness, I was a dangerous wolf. Now I am mediocre, at best.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Vote Barkeep49

What's your reason?

I just want to point out again, and I know that math only goes so far, but if you do believe that a person on hoops' list is a wolf, as I do, it STILL makes more sense to vote for someone not on it, even if you're not on the list, actually ESPECIALLY if you're not on the list (1 in 7 vs 2 in 9 or 1 in 4.5). Basically if you're not on the hoops list, and are a villager, you have a 22% chance of hitting a wolf just randomly placing a vote.

As such I am going to follow my own advice and vote for someone who is not only not on the list, but has shown a great deal of ability, and thus leads me to think he'd be a great wolf choice. I will be voting for PurdueBrad for those reasons, in addition to my own life saving reasons.

[Barkeep49]

Vote PurdueBrad

[Barkeep49]

I would also like to say that while I have a GREAT deal of empathy for GMs trying to do things to make it easier to find votes, I think insisting on having votes be the only thing in a post leads to more hit and run votes which is bad overall for the game. I do like Neon having us vote in colors though.

[DaddyTorgo]

I don't really have any thought on who to vote for ATM

[path12]

UNVOTE SALDANA

VOTE ARLINGTON COLT

[path12]

Reason is obvious I would think.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by path12

Reason is obvious I would think.

Please pretend it's not.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I'm not digging the "I'm going to be intentionally quieter" bit.

It's either counterproductive if you're innocent or an easy mask to hide behind if you're a Wolf.

Obviously jeheinz72 doesn't know me well.

#1 its Monday night
#2 I work Nights
#3 its Monday night Football
#4 The Bengals are playing on Monday night Football
#5 The Bengals are FAR more important to me that you lot

So, I'm going to be more reserved, aka I'm WATCHING THE GAME TONIGHT. And won't be very active.

My apologies if I was unclear in my previous statements =)

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by path12

Reason is obvious I would think.

Pssst, Hey...PAth...Dude....cmere....


You DO realize you're posting on FOFC and well, some of this lot isn't as umm...well...their bulbs aren't as briht as others 'k? So just , you know...keep that in mind when you think something is OBVIOUS, cause obviously you don't understand yer target audience

[EagleFan]

Sorry, rough and long day at work. Just able to check in.

Now that I can.....

[EagleFan]

VOTE CRONIN

[saldana]

Originally Posted by path12

Reason is obvious I would think.

its obvious to me...he is trying to be gentlemanly and not vote for a girl

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Now I am mediocre, at best.

Oh come now BK, the whole humble pie argument? tsk tsk.

You sir are one seriously DANGEROUS player =)

[EagleFan]

I'll have to take some time out to read over the posts. I have a little suspicion already but need to read some more first. That vote may be changing.

Of course, if there is a wolf (or convert) who wants to make a major reveal today that could sway my vote rather quickly.

[PurdueBrad]

Unvote Pass

Vote St. Cronin

[PurdueBrad]

That is a self-defense vote. I would hate to see us start with a bad lynch yet again.

[RendeR]

We learn something from every lynch so no lynch is a bad lynch....well...unless its ME again....then it fuckin sucks.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Oh come now BK, the whole humble pie argument? tsk tsk.

You sir are one seriously DANGEROUS player =)

If he said he was voting for me because I was a dangerous villager, I could buy that. Hell I fell for Neon's whopper last game.

But dangerous wolf? Look at what I did in the Bladerunner game. Basically I shouted, "I am a wolf", and unsurprisingly got caught. I played a wolf once since then and did fine, but I defy anyone to find any game I played where I was dangerous as a wolf in the last year.

[Barkeep49]

Dola: And by fine, I mean I still got lynched, but at least didn't do anything boneheaded like vote for my own teammate, relentlessly, in a game where there were no reveals so it built me no good will when he got killed.

[saldana]

i maintain the position that i always have, that we need a lynch on day one....i also think barkeep is too valuable to let die on day one, so, sorry about this, no offense intended...

[saldana]

vote purduebrad

[DaddyTorgo]

vote count?

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE ST. CRONIN

[DaddyTorgo]

my vote is subject to change but I havn't seen anything really interesting going on yet so I dunno.

that's kinda a "lifetime achievement award" vote for cronin btw

[EagleFan]

Have to step away for a bit, RL calls.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I would also like to say that while I have a GREAT deal of empathy for GMs trying to do things to make it easier to find votes, I think insisting on having votes be the only thing in a post leads to more hit and run votes which is bad overall for the game. I do like Neon having us vote in colors though.

I agree with this. I think the best rule for votes is that they be surrounded by an empty line, like for example

this vote is bold and blue

and then an explanation of the vote. I'm going to cast a self-defense vote in my next post.

[st.cronin]

UNVOTE BARKEEP49

[st.cronin]

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

[PurdueBrad]

lace w:st="on">PurdueBrad (5)- Passlace> (149), Hoops (193), Barkeep (209), Saldana (228), Cronin (235)
lace w:st="on">St.lace> Cronin (4)- Render (157), Eaglefan (218), PurdueBrad (222), DaddyTorgo (230)
lace w:st="on">Arlingtonlace> Colt (1)- Path (212)
Barkeep (1)- Oliegirl (203)
RendeR (2)- Realdeal (163), JHeinz (173),
Realdeal (1)- NTNDeacon (180)

[PurdueBrad]

Hmmm, let me try that again....

PurdueBrad (5 votes)- Pass (149), Hoops (193), Barkeep (209), Saldana (228), Cronin (235)
Cronin (4 votes)- Render (157), Eaglefan (218), PurdueBrad (222), DaddyTorgo (230)
Arlington Colt (1 vote)- Path (212)
Barkeep (1 vote)- Oliegirl (203)
Render (2 votes)- Realdeal (163), JHeinz (173)
Realdeal (1 vote)- NTNDeacon (180)

[PurdueBrad]

Hoops, I understand how I've played in the past, but this is a new game and I'm not a wolf. If you are around, I'm looking for some honest help here to have people look past the bandwagon votes and make a different choice.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

VOTE CRONIN

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

VOTE ST. CRONIN

Didn't see reasons posted with either of these votes - would like to hear them, even if you are going to suggest "completely random selection".

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Hoops, I understand how I've played in the past, but this is a new game and I'm not a wolf. If you are around, I'm looking for some honest help here to have people look past the bandwagon votes and make a different choice.

Purdue, I'm around. Assume you are in a position of not knowing who is a wolf between you and Cronin, like a bunch of us are - why should we vote him instead of you? Or do you see another candidate that should be getting the votes, even knowing that it is going to be harder to collect the votes on them?

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Purdue, I'm around. Assume you are in a position of not knowing who is a wolf between you and Cronin, like a bunch of us are - why should we vote him instead of you? Or do you see another candidate that should be getting the votes, even knowing that it is going to be harder to collect the votes on them?

Hoops, I'll be honest, I'm not sure that Cronin is the one either, except that he's been kind of quiet. My vote is on him simply to save myself, if possible. As I see it, anybody on that list right now is a possibility.

As opposed to attacking others and drawing more fire my way, let me point out some differences in my play. You've seen me as a wolf twice and a villager once (very first game). As a wolf, I've gotten louder as the game goes on and try to draw attention to myself. As a villager in my first game, I was gunshy and quiet pretty much throughout. You are seeing a different and more active me here, particularly early. I think this game I may be able to help step up as a leader for the village.

I realize that if you are a wolf, this gives you more reason to vote me off but, assuming you aren't, you usually take an unbiased, analytical view. I'm hoping that by laying out the differences I see in my game, you'll see the same thing too.

Some of the quick votes early did bother me, which is why I appreciated you asking for reasoning. I'm still not sure everyone has answered or answered in a way that makes sense.

Hoops, look back at my posts this game and see if there is any pattern or indication of good or evil.

[PurdueBrad]

And you know what, I'll be as honest as possible to your above question. Would I vote for Cronin or me? I would probably vote me because if Cronin isn't a wolf, his experience is likely more valuable versus my relative inexperience. That being said, I can guarantee this, I'm not a wolf.

[Barkeep49]

I would suggest the depth and detail Purdue has put into today is a reason to vote for cronin over him. However, I'm sticking with my math cause that's what I do.

[Antmeister]

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Pass, both people are veterans and both were on Hoops' list. I won't go further than that because, in all honesty, I think to do so would start a bandwagon run on me.

At this point, I would recommend making your case against whatever players are setting off your radar.

I'm going post-diving right now, but my impressions from your posts earlier has you as a little more active, but not necessarily "leading". I recognize that leading on Day 1 is often a fool's errand as a villager - so be it. However, critical analysis of posts is something that I'll follow on any day, whether it is Day 1 or Day 10.

[PurdueBrad]

Hoops, let me recommend that you read posts 126, 199, 223, and 241 all together.

[hoopsguy]

Vote totals, as of Post #246:
PurdueBrad (6 votes)- Pass (149), Hoops (193), Barkeep (209), Saldana (228), Cronin (235), Antmeister (244)
Cronin (4 votes)- Render (157), Eaglefan (218), PurdueBrad (222), DaddyTorgo (230)
Arlington Colt (1 vote)- Path (212)
Barkeep (1 vote)- Oliegirl (203)
Render (2 votes)- Realdeal (163), JHeinz (173)
Realdeal (1 vote)- NTNDeacon (180)

Not voted: Arlington Colt, Chief Rum

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I would suggest the depth and detail Purdue has put into today is a reason to vote for cronin over him. However, I'm sticking with my math cause that's what I do.

Barkeep, I can't fault you for seeing it this way and making your choice as such. I haven't played as much with you which is the simple reason I didn't appeal to you. But if you can see this possibility, I'm hoping others will as well.

[hoopsguy]

Purdue, I generally hate when I feel like there is too much momentum behind my picks - it often means I'm on the wrong guy.

I'll switch it to Arlington Colt for now, as he hasn't voted yet (Chief Rum indicated he might have some problems getting online) and see where other people want to put there votes.

For those who are worried, I won't let it end in a tie, even if there is a tie-breaker in place to make sure someone faces the music.

[hoopsguy]

UNVOTE PURDUEBRAD
VOTE ARLINGTON COLT