Werewolf CXII - The Red Death - GAME OVER - Page 5

Chief Rum · 03-22-2010, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

CR, I've noticed a lot actually that people who ask questions about rules and items and such on the board usually end up being wolves trying to come across as villagers.

That's probably true, given that wolves are usually more "into" the game than vanilla villagers, and roled villagers usually try to keep a low profile.

That said, I know some view more information as a good thing (including myself), so it's just what they do. For instance, I have already asked Abe 2 or 3 questions.

My point is, it's something to consider, but certainly not an end all, be all. My actual suspicion of J23 barely rates higher than a pebble of guilt on a flat landscape of innocence. But in a land without mountains, the pebble is the mountain.

Danny · 03-22-2010, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubb93

From the rules

This makes me think we are going to have more than 1 cunning.

I think is a % chance of a wolf coming up villager as opposed to a specific role.

dubb93 · 03-22-2010, 05:51 PM

Unvote Danny

Vote EF

No traction on the Danny vote plus Danny appears to have shown up and is acting like Danny.

Danny · 03-22-2010, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubb93

Vote Danny

Eaglefan was a close second for his cunning comment in a game where I think there are multiple cunnings. On day 1 I expect the wolves the let the action play out and not put themselves in the limelight. It is a pretty solid play actually since most of the time D1 votes turn out to be good guys and the next few days revolve around who pushed for the good guy vote. Danny is a guy who really hasn't pushed anything out there today and that is out of the ordinary for him.

I wasn't home

EagleFan · 03-22-2010, 05:52 PM

As of 198:

EagleFan 3 - J23 (129), Telle (170), hoopsguy (189)
ntndeacon 3 - EagleFan (131), The Jackal (151), PurdueBrad (191)
J23 2 - ntndeacon (184), Chief Rum (198)
Telle 2 - CrimsonFox (185), henry296 (197)
PurdueBrad 1 - Poli (93)
Autumn 1 - Darth Vilus (178)
Danny 1 - dubb93 (183)

Danny · 03-22-2010, 05:55 PM

Not sure where I am going at this point. I think at the least we need to narrow this down to EF, NTN, J23 and Telle, if not potentially down to 3 candidates at some point.

EagleFan · 03-22-2010, 05:55 PM

As of 206:

EagleFan 5 - J23 (129), Telle (170), hoopsguy (189), BarKeep49 (201), dubb93 (205)
ntndeacon 3 - EagleFan (131), The Jackal (151), PurdueBrad (191)
J23 2 - ntndeacon (184), Chief Rum (198)
Telle 2 - CrimsonFox (185), henry296 (197)
PurdueBrad 1 - Poli (93)
Autumn 1 - Darth Vilus (178)

EagleFan · 03-22-2010, 05:56 PM

Interesting run on a villager.

Tempted....

VERY TEMPTED...

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 06:01 PM

No EF, martyring yourself for yourself will not work

Chief Rum · 03-22-2010, 06:03 PM

I'm out until after deadline. I have left a PM with Abe to pass my item to someone I think will put it to better use.

EagleFan · 03-22-2010, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

No EF, martyring yourself for yourself will not work

Crap, there's a hole in my plan...

Raiders Army · 03-22-2010, 06:13 PM

Checking in for the first time. I'm on page 2 of the thread.

Thomkal · 03-22-2010, 06:14 PM

well since there's not much to go on with a typical day 1, we need a close vote to get things going on day 2. So nothing against you here ntn, just that you are in second place at the moment.

vote ntndeacon

Raiders Army · 03-22-2010, 06:24 PM

After reading through the thread, I'll push the issue on EF.

VOTE EAGLEFAN

EagleFan · 03-22-2010, 06:41 PM

As of 215:

EagleFan 6 - J23 (129), Telle (170), hoopsguy (189), BarKeep49 (201), dubb93 (205), Raiders Army (215)
ntndeacon 4 - EagleFan (131), The Jackal (151), PurdueBrad (191), ntndeacon (214)
J23 2 - ntndeacon (184), Chief Rum (198)
Telle 2 - CrimsonFox (185), henry296 (197)
PurdueBrad 1 - Poli (93)
Autumn 1 - Darth Vilus (178)

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 06:41 PM

As of 215:

EagleFan 6 - J23 (129), Telle (170), hoopsguy (189), BarKeep49 (201), dubb93 (205) Raiders Army (215)
ntndeacon 4 - EagleFan (131), The Jackal (151), PurdueBrad (191) Thomkal (214)
J23 2 - ntndeacon (184), Chief Rum (198)
Telle 2 - CrimsonFox (185), henry296 (197)
PurdueBrad 1 - Poli (93)
Autumn 1 - Darth Vilus (178)

still a bunch of people left to vote.

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 06:41 PM

sigh...i knew someone was gonna do that

Raiders Army · 03-22-2010, 06:45 PM

So you guys know, I can't access FOFC at work, and in the mornings I'm pretty busy prior to going to work (running, dropping a deuce, etc.), so I'll be here mostly after work.

EagleFan · 03-22-2010, 06:45 PM

As of 215:

EagleFan 6 - J23 (129), Telle (170), hoopsguy (189), BarKeep49 (201), dubb93 (205), Raiders Army (215)
ntndeacon 4 - EagleFan (131), The Jackal (151), PurdueBrad (191), Thomkal (214)
J23 2 - ntndeacon (184), Chief Rum (198)
Telle 2 - CrimsonFox (185), henry296 (197)
PurdueBrad 1 - Poli (93)
Autumn 1 - Darth Vilus (178)

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

As of 215:

EagleFan 6 - J23 (129), Telle (170), hoopsguy (189), BarKeep49 (201), dubb93 (205), Raiders Army (215)
ntndeacon 4 - EagleFan (131), The Jackal (151), PurdueBrad (191), Thomkal (214)
J23 2 - ntndeacon (184), Chief Rum (198)
Telle 2 - CrimsonFox (185), henry296 (197)
PurdueBrad 1 - Poli (93)
Autumn 1 - Darth Vilus (178)

I hope you die...

EagleFan · 03-22-2010, 06:46 PM

Updated the count as I put ntn down as voting for himself when it was supposed to be Thomkal that voted.

EagleFan · 03-22-2010, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I hope you die...

So do many others apparantly.

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 06:48 PM

I actually thought you were making fun of me/taunting me by posting the tally again

EagleFan · 03-22-2010, 06:50 PM

I'll lay my cards on the table as I feel like being a prick.

My item may let me take someone out and it works when I put the order in. I am thinking that one of "my voters" isn't going to see day two either.

The above is merely me thinking out loud.

EagleFan · 03-22-2010, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I actually thought you were making fun of me/taunting me by posting the tally again

lol, nope, didn't see that you had posted the same time that I did. I had just noticed that I accidentally listed ntn instead of Thom on a vote.

Thomkal · 03-22-2010, 06:55 PM

That's my power EagleFan-my vote shows up as ntndeacon in any vote count.

EagleFan · 03-22-2010, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal

That's my power EagleFan-my vote shows up as ntndeacon in any vote count.

Sweet power.

EagleFan · 03-22-2010, 07:05 PM

Not feeling well tonight so I am going to step away for a while.

Autumn · 03-22-2010, 07:19 PM

Catching back up. I'm not sure which way I'll go - I see some truth in the idea that votes started scattering once EF/NTN were the options. But I also feel like these guys have been getting early votes a lot and I hate for the race to turn two-way too soon if these are two villagers.

Barkeep49 · 03-22-2010, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I'll lay my cards on the table as I feel like being a prick.

My item may let me take someone out and it works when I put the order in. I am thinking that one of "my voters" isn't going to see day two either.

The above is merely me thinking out loud.

Give your item a name. I'm curious what it's named that you are sure of what it does. If I weren't already voting for you, I would be now.

Autumn · 03-22-2010, 07:31 PM

I guess I'm more worried about a 3-way vote making it easier for the wolves to hide their vote. I'll concentrate instead on keeping this vote close so we can make everyone cast an important vote.

VOTE NTNDEACON

Lathum · 03-22-2010, 07:33 PM

Vote NTNDeacon

lets see what happens

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 07:33 PM

As Abe said, PMs about items can have total descriptions of what they do and how they are used, but some do not.

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 07:35 PM

As of 234:

EagleFan 6 - J23 (129), Telle (170), hoopsguy (189), BarKeep49 (201), dubb93 (205), Raiders Army (215)
ntndeacon 6 - EagleFan (131), The Jackal (151), PurdueBrad (191), Thomkal (214) Autumn (232) Lathum (233)
J23 2 - ntndeacon (184), Chief Rum (198)
Telle 2 - CrimsonFox (185), henry296 (197)
PurdueBrad 1 - Poli (93)
Autumn 1 - Darth Vilus (178)

Barkeep49 · 03-22-2010, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

As Abe said, PMs about items can have total descriptions of what they do and how they are used, but some do not.

Fair enough, I suppose. But I'm not buying it. I want an item name.

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 07:43 PM

Okay, how about "The Gun of Head Explosion"

hoopsguy · 03-22-2010, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I'll lay my cards on the table as I feel like being a prick.

My item may let me take someone out and it works when I put the order in. I am thinking that one of "my voters" isn't going to see day two either.

The above is merely me thinking out loud.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Give your item a name. I'm curious what it's named that you are sure of what it does. If I weren't already voting for you, I would be now.

I'm with BK on this one - in for a penny, in for a pound. May as well go full disclosure if you are a villager and giving out this kind of info.

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 07:53 PM

My point is the item name is not really important.
What it does is. Granted I know you think he's totally bluffing for not giving a name.

dubb93 · 03-22-2010, 07:56 PM

Crimson is really going over the top here.

hoopsguy · 03-22-2010, 07:57 PM

Crimson, I know I had no idea what my item did at first glance. I was able to make a couple of educated guesses after doing a quick bit of research. But I'm nowhere close to being able to pinpoint exactly what it will do.

So maybe there are differences between what EF sees with his item and what I'm seeing. That's cool. But where is the harm in naming the item at this point? He would only be helping those of us considering moving their votes to make a better decision, as it relates to him.

Am I missing something?

EagleFan · 03-22-2010, 08:01 PM

Not giving the item a name. Giving it away to the minister since that role can't be corrupted. Was going to wait until near the deadline to say that but I may not be online again.

J23 · 03-22-2010, 08:04 PM

Just getting back to the thread. I'm pretty sure of what my item does unless it was named specifically to mislead people (which I doubt). As a result, I don't really doubt that EF could have an item that spells it out fairly clearly.

hoopsguy · 03-22-2010, 08:05 PM

But you are 100% certain that the item does what you say it does, EF? This is not conjecture, but fact?

This doesn't smell quite as much as when you fake revealed with my role, but it is not that far off ...

Barkeep49 · 03-22-2010, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J23

Just getting back to the thread. I'm pretty sure of what my item does unless it was named specifically to mislead people (which I doubt). As a result, I don't really doubt that EF could have an item that spells it out fairly clearly.

Fair enough. All the more reason to tell us the name.

J23 · 03-22-2010, 08:11 PM

In these item games, is it typical for the wolves to get the items from villagers they kill? Trying to think of possible reasons to hide item info.

Barkeep49 · 03-22-2010, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J23

In these item games, is it typical for the wolves to get the items from villagers they kill? Trying to think of possible reasons to hide item info.

Entirely possible. But EF is passing his item to the Minister. So again, no reason not to tell us the name.

KWhit · 03-22-2010, 08:15 PM

I didn't like the way he seemed to manufacture something against me early in the day, and this "reveal" kind of reeks of fish.

Vote EagleFan

J23 · 03-22-2010, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Entirely possible. But EF is passing his item to the Minister. So again, no reason not to tell us the name.

that's why I was asking about the order of actions earlier (that CR thought was suspicious).

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Crimson, I know I had no idea what my item did at first glance. I was able to make a couple of educated guesses after doing a quick bit of research. But I'm nowhere close to being able to pinpoint exactly what it will do.

So maybe there are differences between what EF sees with his item and what I'm seeing. That's cool. But where is the harm in naming the item at this point? He would only be helping those of us considering moving their votes to make a better decision, as it relates to him.

Am I missing something?

No harm at all saying the item and you are right in that sense. Unfortunately as he stepped away "due to illness". I'm not saying anything clears him of anything. But nor does it make him guilty. Some people just don't share "everything" and are still villagers. I'm usually wrong when I jump to conclusions myself so I try not to anymore.

EagleFan · 03-22-2010, 08:18 PM

I'll say it one more time. Not going to name the item. I gave it to the minister.

To answer the other question, no I am not 100% certain but I feel there are mutliple uses for this item and based on the answer that I received that I can use it at any time I feel certain that I could have used it in that manner (and most certainly would have if I was a wolf). Since I am vanilla I am no big loss so if it helps gain voting history then vote me tonight. It would make no real sense for me to use it (for the village) unless I was 100% certain on who I was going after. I won't let my strong desire for a "screw you" action to affect my village play however.

03-22-2010, 06:03 PM	#210
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I'm out until after deadline. I have left a PM with Abe to pass my item to someone I think will put it to better use. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

03-22-2010, 05:52 PM	#205
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	As of 198: EagleFan 3 - J23 (129), Telle (170), hoopsguy (189) ntndeacon 3 - EagleFan (131), The Jackal (151), PurdueBrad (191) J23 2 - ntndeacon (184), Chief Rum (198) Telle 2 - CrimsonFox (185), henry296 (197) PurdueBrad 1 - Poli (93) Autumn 1 - Darth Vilus (178) Danny 1 - dubb93 (183)

03-22-2010, 05:55 PM	#206
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Not sure where I am going at this point. I think at the least we need to narrow this down to EF, NTN, J23 and Telle, if not potentially down to 3 candidates at some point.

03-22-2010, 05:55 PM	#207
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	As of 206: EagleFan 5 - J23 (129), Telle (170), hoopsguy (189), BarKeep49 (201), dubb93 (205) ntndeacon 3 - EagleFan (131), The Jackal (151), PurdueBrad (191) J23 2 - ntndeacon (184), Chief Rum (198) Telle 2 - CrimsonFox (185), henry296 (197) PurdueBrad 1 - Poli (93) Autumn 1 - Darth Vilus (178)

03-22-2010, 05:56 PM	#208
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Interesting run on a villager. Tempted.... VERY TEMPTED...

03-22-2010, 06:01 PM	#209
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	No EF, martyring yourself for yourself will not work

03-22-2010, 06:13 PM	#212
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Checking in for the first time. I'm on page 2 of the thread.

03-22-2010, 06:14 PM	#213
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	well since there's not much to go on with a typical day 1, we need a close vote to get things going on day 2. So nothing against you here ntn, just that you are in second place at the moment. vote ntndeacon

03-22-2010, 06:24 PM	#214
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	After reading through the thread, I'll push the issue on EF. VOTE EAGLEFAN

03-22-2010, 06:41 PM	#215
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	As of 215: EagleFan 6 - J23 (129), Telle (170), hoopsguy (189), BarKeep49 (201), dubb93 (205), Raiders Army (215) ntndeacon 4 - EagleFan (131), The Jackal (151), PurdueBrad (191), ntndeacon (214) J23 2 - ntndeacon (184), Chief Rum (198) Telle 2 - CrimsonFox (185), henry296 (197) PurdueBrad 1 - Poli (93) Autumn 1 - Darth Vilus (178)

03-22-2010, 06:41 PM	#216
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	As of 215: EagleFan 6 - J23 (129), Telle (170), hoopsguy (189), BarKeep49 (201), dubb93 (205) Raiders Army (215) ntndeacon 4 - EagleFan (131), The Jackal (151), PurdueBrad (191) Thomkal (214) J23 2 - ntndeacon (184), Chief Rum (198) Telle 2 - CrimsonFox (185), henry296 (197) PurdueBrad 1 - Poli (93) Autumn 1 - Darth Vilus (178) still a bunch of people left to vote.

03-22-2010, 06:41 PM	#217
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	sigh...i knew someone was gonna do that

03-22-2010, 06:45 PM	#218
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	So you guys know, I can't access FOFC at work, and in the mornings I'm pretty busy prior to going to work (running, dropping a deuce, etc.), so I'll be here mostly after work.

03-22-2010, 06:45 PM	#219
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	As of 215: EagleFan 6 - J23 (129), Telle (170), hoopsguy (189), BarKeep49 (201), dubb93 (205), Raiders Army (215) ntndeacon 4 - EagleFan (131), The Jackal (151), PurdueBrad (191), Thomkal (214) J23 2 - ntndeacon (184), Chief Rum (198) Telle 2 - CrimsonFox (185), henry296 (197) PurdueBrad 1 - Poli (93) Autumn 1 - Darth Vilus (178)

03-22-2010, 06:46 PM	#221
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Updated the count as I put ntn down as voting for himself when it was supposed to be Thomkal that voted.

03-22-2010, 06:48 PM	#223
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	I actually thought you were making fun of me/taunting me by posting the tally again

03-22-2010, 06:50 PM	#224
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	I'll lay my cards on the table as I feel like being a prick. My item may let me take someone out and it works when I put the order in. I am thinking that one of "my voters" isn't going to see day two either. The above is merely me thinking out loud.

03-22-2010, 06:55 PM	#226
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	That's my power EagleFan-my vote shows up as ntndeacon in any vote count.

03-22-2010, 07:05 PM	#228
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Not feeling well tonight so I am going to step away for a while.

03-22-2010, 07:19 PM	#229
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Catching back up. I'm not sure which way I'll go - I see some truth in the idea that votes started scattering once EF/NTN were the options. But I also feel like these guys have been getting early votes a lot and I hate for the race to turn two-way too soon if these are two villagers.

03-22-2010, 07:31 PM	#231
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I guess I'm more worried about a 3-way vote making it easier for the wolves to hide their vote. I'll concentrate instead on keeping this vote close so we can make everyone cast an important vote. VOTE NTNDEACON

03-22-2010, 07:33 PM	#232
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Vote NTNDeacon lets see what happens

03-22-2010, 07:33 PM	#233
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	As Abe said, PMs about items can have total descriptions of what they do and how they are used, but some do not.

03-22-2010, 07:35 PM	#234
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	As of 234: EagleFan 6 - J23 (129), Telle (170), hoopsguy (189), BarKeep49 (201), dubb93 (205), Raiders Army (215) ntndeacon 6 - EagleFan (131), The Jackal (151), PurdueBrad (191), Thomkal (214) Autumn (232) Lathum (233) J23 2 - ntndeacon (184), Chief Rum (198) Telle 2 - CrimsonFox (185), henry296 (197) PurdueBrad 1 - Poli (93) Autumn 1 - Darth Vilus (178)

03-22-2010, 07:43 PM	#236
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Okay, how about "The Gun of Head Explosion"

03-22-2010, 07:53 PM	#238
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	My point is the item name is not really important. What it does is. Granted I know you think he's totally bluffing for not giving a name.

03-22-2010, 07:57 PM	#240
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Crimson, I know I had no idea what my item did at first glance. I was able to make a couple of educated guesses after doing a quick bit of research. But I'm nowhere close to being able to pinpoint exactly what it will do. So maybe there are differences between what EF sees with his item and what I'm seeing. That's cool. But where is the harm in naming the item at this point? He would only be helping those of us considering moving their votes to make a better decision, as it relates to him. Am I missing something?

03-22-2010, 08:01 PM	#241
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Not giving the item a name. Giving it away to the minister since that role can't be corrupted. Was going to wait until near the deadline to say that but I may not be online again.

03-22-2010, 08:04 PM	#242
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	Just getting back to the thread. I'm pretty sure of what my item does unless it was named specifically to mislead people (which I doubt). As a result, I don't really doubt that EF could have an item that spells it out fairly clearly.

03-22-2010, 08:05 PM	#243
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	But you are 100% certain that the item does what you say it does, EF? This is not conjecture, but fact? This doesn't smell quite as much as when you fake revealed with my role, but it is not that far off ...

03-22-2010, 08:11 PM	#245
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	In these item games, is it typical for the wolves to get the items from villagers they kill? Trying to think of possible reasons to hide item info.