Werewolf XLI - Apocalypse Awakens - Game over!

[LoneStarGirl]

...Bastards! I want to still play. I wish Marvel could be reincarnated

[SackAttack]

Warpath bit it, so we KNOW he's innocent.

I'm guessing you know yourself to be the other, Magneto.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Warpath bit it, so we KNOW he's innocent.

I'm guessing you know yourself to be the other, Magneto.

Correct.

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by path12

(Silver Surfer)

I don't think we can discount anything. She might have been trying to get herself some trust. After all, her attack on Hulk wasn't going to kill him.

(Gambit)

"Theese is true. And ze Hulk did not retaliate against Mar-vel, but rather, attacked Wolverine, who waz not even attacking heem. Perhaps, I waz wrong to attack ze Juggernaut?!?"

[path12]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

(Gambit)

"Theese is true. And ze Hulk did not retaliate against Mar-vel, but rather, attacked Wolverine, who waz not even attacking heem. Perhaps, I waz wrong to attack ze Juggernaut?!?"

(Silver Surfer)

I understood the reasoning for a move on Juggernaut -- he was pushing very hard and was suspicious. My concern involves more the timing of the attacks (late in the day after he was gone) and causes me to wonder if there might have been a horseman or two in that bandwagon.......

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by path12

(Silver Surfer)

I understood the reasoning for a move on Juggernaut -- he was pushing very hard and was suspicious. My concern involves more the timing of the attacks (late in the day after he was gone) and causes me to wonder if there might have been a horseman or two in that bandwagon.......

You can spin it both ways. Waiting until after he's gone also helps make sure that he can't use his strength to retaliate at somebody who's attacking him.

Just a thought.

[Qwikshot]

Post #2007 (1:17PM) Deadpool attacks Hawkeye (grenade)
Post #2069 (4:51PM) Wolverine attacks Doom (claws)
Post #2085 (5:02PM) Hulk attacks Wolverine (fist)
Post #2120 (5:41PM) Magneto attacks Hawkeye (magnetic pulse)
Post #2122 (5:47PM) Warpath attacks Hawkeye (knife)
Post #2124 (5:58PM) Mandarin attacks Hawkeye (ring - fire)
Post #2142 (6:27PM) Marvel attacks Hulk (energy blast)
Post #2173 (7:05PM) Gambit attacks Juggernaut (cards)
Post #2190 (7:25PM) Hawkeye attacks Juggernaut (explosive arrow, normal arrow)
Post #2198 (7:42PM) Mathemanic attacks Juggernaut (mental attack)
Post #2211 (8:11PM) Cannonball attacks Hawkeye (rocket blast)
Post #2212 (8:11PM) Surfer attacks Hawkeye (power cosmic)
Post #2214 (8:14PM) Moon Knight attacks Captain Marvel (dart)
Post #2218 (8:22PM) Spiderman attacks Hawkeye (punch)
Post #2226 (8:34PM) Venom attacks Hawkeye (special attack - sneak attack)
Post #2230 (8:40PM) Captain America attacks Deadpool (shield)
Post #2236 (8:50PM) Juggernaut attacks Hawkeye (fist)
Post #2252 (8:59PM) Daredevil attacks Juggernaut (club)

(Gambit)

"Whom do you suspect then? One iz dead and proven good. I felt the argument stated was worthy to attack heem. I knew that Hawkeye was done for, but I suspected him to be good and wanted to assist in at least going after someone else, someone actually worthy of justice?"

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Last night I went back over the forming of the teams on the first day, and I'm sorry to say that I think it's a dead end for now. My first idea was that the wolves would be eager to form a team and would be leading in the call for that. In the case of Marvel that is true. But Warpath and Hawkeye were also adamant in forming teams and they were good.

My other idea was to look at those who were among the last to join teams. While this includes Juggernaut (unsure of his allegiance), it also includes Gambit, whom Professor X cleared today, and Hulk, whom I vouch for.

All I can take from this is that Apoc. and the gang did a good job in altering their tactics the first day. It might be worth something to look at this again after we find another Horseman, but for now, I don't think it gives us anything.

SPIDER-MAN

[path12]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

(Gambit)

"Whom do you suspect then? One iz dead and proven good. I felt the argument stated was worthy to attack heem. I knew that Hawkeye was done for, but I suspected him to be good and wanted to assist in at least going after someone else, someone actually worthy of justice?"

(Silver Surfer)

Reading back through that changes my mind somewhat. I had thought that there were more attacks on him for some reason. That sequence doesn't look that bad offhand.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Pre-defense damage for today:

Juggernaut - 28
Hawkeye - 13.5
Wolverine - 3
Deadpool - 1
Cappy Marvel - 1
Dr. Doom - 1

Why is Hulk missing from this list? Even if he didn't take any damage, shouldn't the attack against him by Marvel still show up?

SPIDER-MAN

[hoopsguy]

Jonathan, you are correct. Hulk took one point of pre-defense damage from Captain Marvel. Sorry that we did not have it on the list.

[Blade6119]

Interesting night...awaiting some clarification on what i saw, but very interesting information was gleaned.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Why is Hulk missing from this list? Even if he didn't take any damage, shouldn't the attack against him by Marvel still show up?

SPIDER-MAN

I have the strangest feeling of deja vu.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Jonathan, you are correct. Hulk took one point of pre-defense damage from Captain Marvel. Sorry that we did not have it on the list.

Is this the first time that's happened? I could swear I remember seeing another post almost identical to Spidey's earlier in the game.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Is this the first time that's happened? I could swear I remember seeing another post almost identical to Spidey's earlier in the game.

Is it the first time there has been someone missing on the damage report? I think so, but would have to go back and look at posts to be 100% certain.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Is it the first time there has been someone missing on the damage report? I think so, but would have to go back and look at posts to be 100% certain.

Like you, I'd have to go back and look to be 100% certain, but I got the strangest feeling of deja vu when I saw Spidey's post.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Is it the first time there has been someone missing on the damage report? I think so, but would have to go back and look at posts to be 100% certain.

Delegate that job to Tyrith. Thats what lackeys are for!

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Delegate that job to Tyrith. Thats what lackeys are for!

You aren't Doctor Doom!

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Delegate that job to Tyrith. Thats what lackeys are for!

But Tyrith is the one who left off Hulk from the damage list.

[SackAttack]

Zounds!

Tyrith is Apocalypse!

[path12]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

But Tyrith is the one who left off Hulk from the damage list.

It's hard to get good help these days.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

(Gambit)

"Theese is true. And ze Hulk did not retaliate against Mar-vel, but rather, attacked Wolverine, who waz not even attacking heem. Perhaps, I waz wrong to attack ze Juggernaut?!?"

Also, if they were both bad HULK could privately tell Marvel that he would not take any damage due to his defense, making it a no risk and all reward action.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by path12

(Silver Surfer)

I understood the reasoning for a move on Juggernaut -- he was pushing very hard and was suspicious. My concern involves more the timing of the attacks (late in the day after he was gone) and causes me to wonder if there might have been a horseman or two in that bandwagon.......

(Mathemanic)
For my part, the timing was incidental. I was trying to round up support before I made a move.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by path12

(Silver Surfer)

Reading back through that changes my mind somewhat. I had thought that there were more attacks on him for some reason. That sequence doesn't look that bad offhand.

(Mathemanic)
Spidey talked about it but never went in on the attack. Captain Marvel caught part of the conversation, but did not join the attack. There was a massive amount of damage done, but I'm sure a lot of that is attributable to me powering up my attack (avowed at the time it happened), Hawkeye trying to go out in a blaze of glory, and Gambit using his own special attack.

[hoopsguy]

Just did a double-check on the damage reports:

Day 1 posted at #862
Day 2 posted at #1398

I didn't see any posts indicating missing entries for either evening after reading through the posts between damage report and "Night X" results.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Just did a double-check on the damage reports:

Day 1 posted at #862
Day 2 posted at #1398

I didn't see any posts indicating missing entries for either evening after reading through the posts between damage report and "Night X" results.

Thanks, hoops.

[Blade6119]

I have recieved confirmation on the order of events. It was NTNdeacon who killed lsg last night

[DaddyTorgo]

2 mins on my break so real quick: how about we occam's razor this instead of looking for the most complicated possibilities?

check the simple answers first...

[GoldenEagle]

Was anyone able to come forward and validate me last night? Obviously, I can not quote the exact PM, but I got the impression that I am one of the 12.

[SackAttack]

By my count, there are 18 of us left. 14 heroes, 3 horsemen and Apocalypse.

Narrowing things down for myself, here's my updated circle of trust, given recent events and last night's actions:

Absolute Trust
Myself
Captain Britain

Strong Trust
Professor X
Wolverine

Moving On Up
Moon Knight
Mandarin
Deadpool
Spider-Man

Moving Down
Doctor Doom

Distrust
Juggernaut

Uncertain of OR no strong opinion on

Mathemaniac
Daredevil
Venom
Silver Surfer
Cannonball
Storm
Magneto
Hulk

[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I have recieved confirmation on the order of events. It was NTNdeacon who killed lsg last night

(Silver Surfer)

How do you know this?

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I have recieved confirmation on the order of events. It was NTNdeacon who killed lsg last night

Some verification please?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by path12

(Silver Surfer)

How do you know this?

I spent last night watching LSG's house, and before i heared the mammoth blast that everyone heared NTN came quietly in the night to LSGs house, was there a short period of time, and then left. I had originally assumed he was a seer or what not, then i caught up and read that lsg was killed i knew he was evil. Then lsg came up evil, and i dont know what to think. Is it possible for evil to kill alan and lsg if we had a day lynch?

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I spent last night watching LSG's house, and before i heared the mammoth blast that everyone heared NTN came quietly in the night to LSGs house, was there a short period of time, and then left. I had originally assumed he was a seer or what not, then i caught up and read that lsg was killed i knew he was evil. Then lsg came up evil, and i dont know what to think. Is it possible for evil to kill alan and lsg if we had a day lynch?

I can't imagine evil would kill one of their own. What purpose would it serve? We sure haven't rooted anybody out via the lynch.

[SackAttack]

Dola,

Unless they were dead set certain that we were going to nail Marvel today, killing her at night would have the effect of removing the target with no vote pattern to judge by...but I can't see that being the case here.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Dola,

Unless they were dead set certain that we were going to nail Marvel today, killing her at night would have the effect of removing the target with no vote pattern to judge by...but I can't see that being the case here.

Even then though, you saw apoc kill alan, right? Thats evils kill, right?

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Even then though, you saw apoc kill alan, right? Thats evils kill, right?

Yeah, I saw Apocalypse blow a hole in Warhawk's chest.

This goes back a little bit to my early speculation on the golden horse with doom - that there is something that differentiates between a Horseman kill and an Apocalypse kill. I've mused once or twice about whether they can act independent of one another, but consensus seems to be that they cannot.

Apocalypse definitely killed Warhawk. If ntn took out Marvel, I'd be inclined to believe that he's probably a good character with that kind of ability, and it either has a prohibitive energy cost (which is why we haven't seen it used until now), or else he reserves it for when he has certainty.

[Swaggs]

(Storm)

At the risk of looking very bad, I still have an odd feeling about Professor X. Has he said whether or not he can tell good from evil, or just whether or not he can tell who are members of the 12 or not?

If he can only tell who members of the 12, then I feel like that is a very good defense that could last him for quite some time, good or bad. I really will not feel very safe about him until or unless he delivers us a horsemen.

[Mr. Wednesday]

(Mathemanic)
I think the idea that the other horsemen would have killed their compatriot to be completely without merit. The only way they could gain in the slightest is in the event that actually happened, where you (Moon Knight) were observing and were able to identify the attacker.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Yeah, I saw Apocalypse blow a hole in Warhawk's chest.

This goes back a little bit to my early speculation on the golden horse with doom - that there is something that differentiates between a Horseman kill and an Apocalypse kill. I've mused once or twice about whether they can act independent of one another, but consensus seems to be that they cannot.

Apocalypse definitely killed Warhawk. If ntn took out Marvel, I'd be inclined to believe that he's probably a good character with that kind of ability, and it either has a prohibitive energy cost (which is why we haven't seen it used until now), or else he reserves it for when he has certainty.

Id love to hear his side of things

[Mr. Wednesday]

(Mathemanic)
Storm, he has indicated only that he can learn identities of the 12. He will not, then, be able to deliver us a horseman via that claimed power.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

(Mathemanic)
I think the idea that the other horsemen would have killed their compatriot to be completely without merit. The only way they could gain in the slightest is in the event that actually happened, where you (Moon Knight) were observing and were able to identify the attacker.

To be fair, LSG wasnt exactly the most cleared person. They had to expect her to die soon anyways, maybe they would take that shot and hope she was watched. I could see that play, as she was on almost everyones suspect list

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

To be fair, LSG wasnt exactly the most cleared person. They had to expect her to die soon anyways, maybe they would take that shot and hope she was watched. I could see that play, as she was on almost everyones suspect list

(Storm)

Although anyone is fair game, I don't think Marvel was in any imminent danger today. When there are only five bad guys, I cannot see them eliminating themselvs unless they absolutely are in danger.

I had considered attacking Mandarin today, because he abruptly left our group, without explaination yesterday and I got to thinking that, if a group stays together long enough, perhaps we learn more about our teammates (and that he might not want that to happen). But if you IDed him coming from Marvel's room, he moves up my list of trust substantially.

[path12]

(Silver Surfer)

Moon Knight, why did you decide to watch Captain Marvel's house last night?

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

(Storm)

At the risk of looking very bad, I still have an odd feeling about Professor X. Has he said whether or not he can tell good from evil, or just whether or not he can tell who are members of the 12 or not?

If he can only tell who members of the 12, then I feel like that is a very good defense that could last him for quite some time, good or bad. I really will not feel very safe about him until or unless he delivers us a horsemen.

I wouldn't worry about the Professor's loyalties. I didn't get confirmation quite as strong from him as I did from Captain Britain, but I believe that to be because of the illusion he was projecting in self-defense - by the time I realized what that was all about, Apocalypse had struck.

Am I 100%? No. But I trust him more than almost anybody else in this game right now.

[path12]

(Silver Surfer)

And to clarify, who else have you watched?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by path12

(Silver Surfer)

Moon Knight, why did you decide to watch Captain Marvel's house last night?

The same reason i voted him yesterday..someone reminded me he had been the only person really everyone suspected, the only person on the first two lynches, and seemingly the only person to garner no heat at all. It all added up to me needing to see what he was up to

[Blade6119]

She, i apoligize for the use of he there

[Raiders Army]

*Deadpool*

A lot less pages to catch up on. Some thoughts on Professor X:

Why kill Warpath instead of Professor X? There are two possibilities: The bodyguard protected Professor X or they thought that he would be protected by the bodyguard.

I'm still going for Doom.

ATTACK DOOM

You ain't getting the full attack today pal, so count yourself lucky.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

The same reason i voted him yesterday..someone reminded me he had been the only person really everyone suspected, the only person on the first two lynches, and seemingly the only person to garner no heat at all. It all added up to me needing to see what he was up to

(Silver Surfer)

It just seems that there was a lot of people converging on her house last night and while I felt she was a suspect, I didn't have her as the prime one. You, Captain America, Warpath, Mandarin and Apocalypse all seemed to be in the same spot? I'd love to hear what Cap America and Mandarin have to say.