WW CXLIX SPAWN IV - GAME OVER (Post 3845)

[Danny]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

In the day 3 voting, at the end. I tried to switch back to dubb. I didn't know BK's cutoff was x:59. And not that it mattered anyway. At the time I was more interested in nailing dubb or going after people I thought were guilty (which included hoops)

I'm very confident you are not an original starting spawn. I also dont think you've been mutated to this point.

[CrimsonFox]

That's why we let you back in, man.

[Danny]

Day 4 Voting:

2094: Julio Votes Hoops (1)
2096: Crimson votes Darth (1)
2134: Crimson unvotes Darth (0) votes Chubby (1)
2250: Simbo votes CrimsonFox (1)
2248: Abe votes Packer / Danny2 (1)
2252: Shiggles votes Zinto (1)
2295: Abe unvotes Packer / Danny2 (0)
2297: Abe votes Chubby (2)
2329: Chubby votes Julio (1)
2330: Chubby unvotes Julio (0) votes Crimson (2)
2336: Shiggles unvotes Zinto (0) votes Simbo (1)
2356: Julio votes Zinto (1)
2357: Saldana votes Chubby (3)
2358: LSG votes Simbo (2)
2361: Chief votes Simbo (3)
2380: Chubby unvotes CF (1) votes Zinto (2)
2413: Julio unvotes Zinto (1) votes Simbo (4)
2422: Brit votes Chubby (4)
2432: Chubby unvotes Zinto (0) votes Simbo (5)
2439: GE votes Simbo (6)
2440: Simbo unvotes CF (0) votes Chubby (5)
2443: Darth votes Simbo (7)
2445: Jag votes Simbo (8)

[Danny]

I'll book it right now, Zinto is a spawn

[Danny]

Simbo (8): Shiggles (2336), LSG (2358), Chief (2361), Julio (2413), Chubby (2432), GE (2439), Darth (2443), JAG (2445)

Chubby (5): Crimson (2134), Abe (2297), Saldana (2357), Brit (2422), Simbo (2440)

No vote: Zinto, Hoops and ???

[Danny]

Day 4

Simbo (8): Shiggles (2336), LSG (2358), Chief (2361), Julio (2413), Chubby (2432), GE (2439), Darth (2443), JAG (2445)

Chubby (5): Crimson (2134), Abe (2297), Saldana (2357), Brit (2422), Simbo (2440)

No vote: Zinto, Hoops and ???

[Danny]

Votes by Shiggles, LSG and Chief look good to me. Votes that came later could be considered more iffy as they may be trust buying votes.

Real bad vote by Britrock

[Danny]

I find it very interesting that Simbo never voted for Zinto all day. There was a couple times Zinto went up to two votes and a third by Simbo would have really made him a solidate candidate against Simbo.

As I said, looking at everything from all days, ZInto is a spawn

[Danny]

And my gut goes along with that as well. Zinto plays much tigther and more of a follower as a wolf, as he has done this game

[Danny]

I have strong trust in Jag, Saldana, Crimson, Shiggles and Chief as not being starting spawn. LSG's vote yesterday also gives her a big plus.

[Danny]

I also don;t think Darth is a spawn based on gut feel largely stemming from him not even getting a vote in on day 2 or 3.

[Danny]

I also dont think Chubby is a starting spawn. Too risky for spawn to fake work on a project where they had 2 of the 3 people that could be responsible. And Chubby had a big day 2 vote on Simbo

[Danny]

I also don't think Julio is a starting spawn. He had two big votes on Simbo and I get an ok vibe from him as well.

[Danny]

So the main grouping where I would bet include both other spawn are Zinto, Abe, Brit and Schmidty / GE.

My gut feels ok on Abe, so I'd say it's likely two of Zinto, Brit and Schmidty / GE. I would put my money on Zinto and Brit right now.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Danny

I also dont think Chubby is a starting spawn. Too risky for spawn to fake work on a project where they had 2 of the 3 people that could be responsible. And Chubby had a big day 2 vote on Simbo

but he moved that vote later. Chubby doesn't look HORRIBLE but I don't think he's completely clear. Do you think there is ANY chance though that we were wolf-wolf between him and simbo?

[CrimsonFox]

My analysis of Zinto is much less analytical. He hasn't posted. He hasn't responded. I've said hi to him and he hasn't responded. Even my crack about him being a spawn got nothing.

I should have voted him yesterday instead of Chubby really. But there were really just SO many people that I've felt weird vibes about and wanted to see what voting them would do.

[CrimsonFox]

Yeah I think Brit is a good chance at bein spawn too. I feel really really good about Abe. Abe has done a lot of work. Then again as a wolf that's what I'd do too. But right now I would say Abe is good. (unless he gets sp0wned tonight or already WAS sp0wned and doesn't know it).

[Danny]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

My analysis of Zinto is much less analytical. He hasn't posted. He hasn't responded. I've said hi to him and he hasn't responded. Even my crack about him being a spawn got nothing.

I should have voted him yesterday instead of Chubby really. But there were really just SO many people that I've felt weird vibes about and wanted to see what voting them would do.

Dont get me wrong, I posted being suspect of Zinto on day 2 and my gut tells me he is bad also, but the objective evidence also supports that gut feeling.

The chubby thing is not the votes. It's that last night both Chubby and Simbo were assigned to work on the area. It seems unlikely the spawn would FAKE work on a location in which they have TWO of the THREE people who could have faked it

[Danny]

It could very well be Schmidty / GE too, who the hell knows about him

[Danny]

But I'm definitely voting Zinto and Brit as a backup

[Danny]

I am definitely using a mix of gut and evidence here. I went too far into objective measures last game, but I am at my best when I use both

[Danny]

Me voting Simbo all three days was pure gut

[CrimsonFox]

But yeah I would think that if the simbo-chubby thing were wolf wolf, that a different candidate would have emerged somewhere along the line.

Looking at the people that followed me onto chubby:
Abe (2297), Saldana (2357), Brit (2422), Simbo (2440)

Abe's vote 2-0 Chubby
Saldana (3-2-1-1 Chubby)
Brit 4-4-1-1 bringing Chubby BACK into a tie with Simbo

Brit's vote looks horrible

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Danny

I also don;t think Darth is a spawn based on gut feel largely stemming from him not even getting a vote in on day 2 or 3.

I don't think Darth not voting on any day is evidence that he is or isn't a spawn or a villager.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Danny

Dont get me wrong, I posted being suspect of Zinto on day 2 and my gut tells me he is bad also, but the objective evidence also supports that gut feeling.

The chubby thing is not the votes. It's that last night both Chubby and Simbo were assigned to work on the area. It seems unlikely the spawn would FAKE work on a location in which they have TWO of the THREE people who could have faked it

I see what you mean. I agree they would not knowingly plan this. If it happened, it was a "mix-up"

[CrimsonFox]

But the voting on chubby coupled with this does suggest that Chubby is good

[Danny]

I know, its mostly gut.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

But the voting on chubby coupled with this does suggest that Chubby is good

Yeah

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Danny

I know, its mostly gut.

well seeing as you've already had them splattered across the pavement, you would know a lot about guts

[Danny]

lol, true. THat post was referring to dv since it wasnt clear

[CrimsonFox]

are there cunnings in this game?

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Danny

lol, true. THat post was referring to dv since it wasnt clear

i assumed. And we all know how great your guts on DV are after last game, right

[Danny]

Yeah, his nickname is stone cold vilus

[CrimsonFox]

And the most important point of course is that you get to keep your post count up.

[Danny]

Oh definitely. Too bad autumn got killed we would be headed for top 5 for sure

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Any place requiring power will lose functionality when converted to the ship before liftoff. The power on the ship is an "all or nothing" situation. Once the 4 required power facilities are present on the ship anything requiring power will work again. The following places remain functional on the ship after conversion but before liftoff:
Officers Offices
Crew Quarters
Warehouses 1-5

Originally Posted by JAG

BK, modification to my question so it's clear:

If we convert 4 power facilities, can we use CONVERTED buildings that require power on the ship prior to liftoff?

So okay rewrapping my head around this.
So I think that things on the planet are good and work as long as their powersupply work. And in the ship the OO, CQ, and WHs work without power. And everything else we convert onto the ship has to have all 4 power facilities converted and then they will work. I can't remember if JAG's followup question was answered as I looked and saw no response. I think yes?

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Things improve a little as well when Hoops works on the Power Facility and also reroutes some power.

Locations

Building B:
Power Facilities DAMAGED; 3 Cycles to repair
Power Facility 1 5 cycles required for conversion
Powering Building A
Power Facility 2 2 cycles required for conversion
OFFLINE
Power Facility 3 5 cycles required for conversion
OFFLINE
Power Facility 4 5 cycles required for conversion
Powering Building D
Power Facility 5 5 cycles required for conversion
Unused

Water Plant UNPOWERED 7 cycles required for conversion
Producing enough water for all Survivors each day

Building C:
Security HQ UNPOWERED 2 cycles required for conversion

Armory UNPOWERED 4 cycles required for conversion
18 phasers accounted for

Brig No power; Inaccessible 4 cycles required for conversion
No crew being held

Building D:

Medical Facilities Fully Operational 4 cycles required for conversion

Scientists’ Lab Fully Operational 2 cycles required for conversion
2 Spawn Detected


Crew Quarters Damaged; 9 sleeping berths; 11 cycles to repair Converted

Okay so hoops DID reroute power back. Cool.
Question (for anyone). If the power facilities are still damaged, why is it that building D is operational? And why is facility 3 offline?

[CrimsonFox]

And there are 2 spawn detected. This was before simbo died. So...scientists and abe, please fill us in. Does that thing tell us how many total full spawn there are? All evil including spawnlings?

[Danny]

wow missed that

[Danny]

FWIW, even with the risk of death I think Saldana should bring in Zinto. We have had enough success where I believe losing a doctor is worth making sure we get a spawn today. If we catch another spawn we really really ratchet up the heat on them.

[Danny]

Hell, bring in Zinto and Britrock with our two doctors. Could be game over maybe

[CrimsonFox]

Well something I wonder. Is it possible for people to get infected by various spawn on the planet that aren't players? I mean when we started I think the story is that everyone was normal and people "got infected" to start things.
Is that possible or not within the scope of this game.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Danny

wow missed that

yup just saw it. I am surprised that there are only 2 spawn. That's why I'm thinking that is MAIN spawn and not infected.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Danny

Hell, bring in Zinto and Britrock with our two doctors. Could be game over maybe

Don't know. Not if there are infected out there who haven't spawned that we haven't cured yet.

Are there evil people who aren't full spawn that ARE evil and know they are evil and doing evil things?

[JAG]

Zinto was one I was thinking of even before I read what happened last night (hope everything's ok with your family). Other people I don't want to discuss until post-night deadline. Nice result though, pretty happy I was able to help make the case for him and that we scanned the survivor between him and hoops.

[CrimsonFox]

This is a curious spawn ability.

Psionic Connection May one time trigger a power which allows all spawns to know the identities of all other spawns. If not a member of the Spawn Council, may send messages, through the GM, to the Spawn Council.

and this:

Other Spawn
May launch a regular attack (see Attack below). These Spawn do not know any other Spawn, though the Spawn Queen may choose to make herself known to other Spawn.


So spawn don't know each other? And I guess Spawn overlord and Spawn queen do know all the bad guys. Spawn council sounds like spawn that can PM each other and any outside of that 3-spawn circle are on their own and don't know who are spawn.

[JAG]

The 3 oldest spawn know each other because they're on the council together.

[JAG]

So we know there were 3 spawn yesterday when we voted Simbo out and there are currently 2. With all the mutation stuff they have available to them, I wouldn't think they'd start with more than 3, right? So what did they do Night 1? It looks like nothing. Which probably means:

Spawn Overlord
There is currently no Spawn Overlord. The Spawn may choose to aid in reforming the Spawn Overlord instead of performing any other action (public or private) during a cycle. If the Spawn Overlord is reformed, the Spawn will receive certain advantages.

If we get proof that the Overlord was formed, it would have to have been done on Night 1 because that's the only night where there was no overt spawn activity. If the spawn didn't do any private / public action that cycle, that means that people that performed public actions that night are NOT spawn, which includes a number of people who we already suspect were not starting spawn (including Autumn / Danny v1 / dubb (at the time) among the deceased and Crimson / Danny v2 / Chief Rum among the living).

[Chubby]

Off to work. I'm looking at zinto, brit and abe tomorrow for lynch

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by JAG

The 3 oldest spawn know each other because they're on the council together.

and that means PMs? It doesn't say but I assume.