WW CXXXIX - The Red Death II - GAME OVER, SERVANTS WIN

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

vote eaglefan

If he's telling the truth we clear Narc and can lynch Bug

if he's lying we lynch Narc and clear Bug.

it's a 2 for 1 either way we look at it.

this would also change my "bad guys" list a bit too for those looking at it (though I doubt anyone is)

I think we could be looking at EF and Bug as wolves right now. I suspect their plan was to have Bug offer up a villager as a positive scan result while EF said he was corrupt. If it went as planned they'd kill off at least 2 villagers today (we're still not sure how many night kills they get), while only burning someone who wasn't going to last long as a converted seer anyway. It could also make EF look good with his claim of discovering that Bug had been converted, in a move that took him off the block as the most likely lynch candidate coming into today.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

As it turns out I learned nothing on night one. I followed Danny and saw nothing suspicious.

Night 2 I chose hoops and saw nothing suspicious.

Night 3 I chose The Jackal and saw nothing suspicious.

Night 4 I went with bug and saw what was described as a mysterious shadowy figure hovering above bug and then saw something that appeared to be an evil spirit enter bugs body. Said that he suddenly looked my direction but it was uncertain if he saw me, just that there was hate in his eyes as he glared in my direction.

I want to vote EF if our other detective finds his reveal false-sounding. But Sndvls, are you saying your PMs were less descriptive than "saw nothing suspicious"? That sounds pretty non-descriptive, but I guess I can imagine ways it might be even less so.

[The Jackal]

We vote bug and he's bad: Looks good for Narc, doesn't clear or damn EF.
We vote bug and he's not corrupted/possessed: Looks bad for Narc and EF

We vote EF and he's bad: Doesn't clear or damn bug, which in turn doesn't clear or damn Narc
We vote EF and he's good: Means bug is lying and Narc is probably good

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I want to vote EF if our other detective finds his reveal false-sounding. But Sndvls, are you saying your PMs were less descriptive than "saw nothing suspicious"? That sounds pretty non-descriptive, but I guess I can imagine ways it might be even less so.

YES

very less descriptive than that

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

YES

very less descriptive than that

So did Abe even respond to you then?

[Thomkal]

Sndvls why were none of your Observes on any of the people who voted for me when Zinto was lynched? Why did you not Observe Mr. Bug since it's pretty clear there was likely to be some activity around a professed adept?

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

YES

very less descriptive than that

If his reveal seems fishy I'd rather go wtih EF. I'd rather lose a good detective by accident than a good seer, especially if we already have another detective.

unvote mrbug
vote eaglefan

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

So did Abe even respond to you then?

yes he did.....don't want to give away too much here

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Sndvls why were none of your Observes on any of the people who voted for me when Zinto was lynched? Why did you not Observe Mr. Bug since it's pretty clear there was likely to be some activity around a professed adept?

I wanted to build my own circle of trust without outside influence so I could either help clear someone or catch them in a lie.

day 1 I clearly said I was going to observe a single UTR voter (Gram) so I did that night

day 2 I wanted to observe hoops with the plan to observer him again another night to confirm his actions were consistent with what I saw after the first time which I did that night

day 3 Autumn he just pinged me a little so I observed him night 3

night 4 I went back to hoops to confirm he wasn't converted after I observed him night 2 or 3

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

yes he did.....don't want to give away too much here

plus we might be getting too meta gamey (Abe interject if you feel that way I'll understand)

[The Jackal]

unvote bug
vote ef

[mauchow]

Unvote bug
Vote ef

My head is spinning

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

My head is spinning

sorry I know it's kinda my fault on that for the last 2 hours or so

[SnDvls]

dola - but ABE is laughing again

[mauchow]

I'd venture to guess bug could still be bad and this is all one big hoax concocted by sndvls. I don't know what to do.

[Chief Rum]

I lied I am not the Scientist. I am the Detective-Seer-Duke-Lover, with BG Leanings.

All four of SnDvls, EF, Bug and Narc are neutral parties with their own win conditions. Goal: to create Mass Confusion.

Fortunately, I have the heretofore unheard of Arch Duke ability, which allows me to kill them all at once at the lynch.

So everyone rest easy.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

We vote bug and he's bad: Looks good for Narc, doesn't clear or damn EF.
We vote bug and he's not corrupted/possessed: Looks bad for Narc and EF

We vote EF and he's bad: Doesn't clear or damn bug, which in turn doesn't clear or damn Narc
We vote EF and he's good: Means bug is lying and Narc is probably good

One thing on voting EF, if EF is bad and Bug is good don't the wolves kill Bug tonight (or convert if they're still able to)? Sure, if EF comes back bad Bug could be the top candidate for a lynch Monday, but they can't afford the chance he'd find out another one of them that he'd tell us about before he was lynched.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I lied I am not the Scientist. I am the Detective-Seer-Duke-Lover, with BG Leanings.

All four of SnDvls, EF, Bug and Narc are neutral parties with their own win conditions. Goal: to create Mass Confusion.

Fortunately, I have the heretofore unheard of Arch Duke ability, which allows me to kill them all at once at the lynch.

So everyone rest easy.

I almost fainted when I read the first sentence. Please, cut this out. lol

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I almost fainted when I read the first sentence. Please, cut this out. lol

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

I'd venture to guess bug could still be bad and this is all one big hoax concocted by sndvls. I don't know what to do.

But if it is, wouldn't it be similar to lynching Bug and finding out he's good? If we find out EF is good we have two prime targets in Bug and sndvls.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

I wanted to build my own circle of trust without outside influence so I could either help clear someone or catch them in a lie.

day 1 I clearly said I was going to observe a single UTR voter (Gram) so I did that night

day 2 I wanted to observe hoops with the plan to observer him again another night to confirm his actions were consistent with what I saw after the first time which I did that night

day 3 Autumn he just pinged me a little so I observed him night 3

night 4 I went back to hoops to confirm he wasn't converted after I observed him night 2 or 3

I see what you were trying to do, but you do realize that you could have just picked the days your observed players did nothing? Or that they could have done something since you observed Autumn and Gram? Or got corrupted/converted/possessed? The early choices I can't really question since we knew nothing, but the later ones I just find odd given what has happened in the game over the past two days.

[mckerney]

With all the accusations flying around,today we should at least be able to figure out something from today's result.

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by mckerney

One thing on voting EF, if EF is bad and Bug is good don't the wolves kill Bug tonight (or convert if they're still able to)? Sure, if EF comes back bad Bug could be the top candidate for a lynch Monday, but they can't afford the chance he'd find out another one of them that he'd tell us about before he was lynched.

Can't narc bg him? Which of course then means narc may die tonight. he has a heckuva decision tonight.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

Can't narc bg him? Which of course then means narc may die tonight. he has a heckuva decision tonight.

I wouldn't think so. If Bug is good, Narc is bad. If Narc is good I doubt he trusts Bug.

[mauchow]

OK true that. So with all this movement since he left I worry he didn't catch all the action. I'm guessing he's protecting himself anyway. I just hope he's not protecting ef if he is the Lynch. I guess that is what conditionals are for.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, I'll put a vote in. Crazy day.

We'll see where this gets us.

VOTE EAGLEFAN

[Abe Sargent]

Why poo?

[Commo_Soldier]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I have a couple minutes so I will tell you what I have been doing.

I am a detective.

I came close to asking to be replaced on day one when I thought that I missed the deadline (since I was going to be busy and unavailable much of the game I was afraid that deadline was going to be rough for me). Thought I had missed putting in an order but then saw I had until 2 AM. Hate the feeling like I just screwed up and cost the village potential information.


As it turns out I learned nothing on night one. I followed Danny and saw nothing suspicious.

Night 2 I chose hoops and saw nothing suspicious.

Night 3 I chose The Jackal and saw nothing suspicious.

Night 4 I went with bug and saw what was described as a mysterious shadowy figure hovering above bug and then saw something that appeared to be an evil spirit enter bugs body. Said that he suddenly looked my direction but it was uncertain if he saw me, just that there was hate in his eyes as he glared in my direction.

Wow, I what an interesting voting history. I still say Bug is bad and voting EF is a huge mistake. Let me get this straight though, SN said what EF said made sense, then he goes back and reads his PMs were too detailed? Really. What is too much the word suspicious? It is not like he was direct quoting Abe, maybe he was putting it in his own words since I thought you can't quote a PM.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by J23

Weren't you passed an item? I received a PM when I was passed one night one... or are you not considering that a "night PM"?

I have not received any items - only passed my own starting one Night 1.

[mauchow]

Aye aye aye.

[mauchow]

I should be around a bit more tonight than other night this week.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I lied I am not the Scientist. I am the Detective-Seer-Duke-Lover, with BG Leanings.

All four of SnDvls, EF, Bug and Narc are neutral parties with their own win conditions. Goal: to create Mass Confusion.

Fortunately, I have the heretofore unheard of Arch Duke ability, which allows me to kill them all at once at the lynch.

So everyone rest easy.

Boy, this makes me glad that I passed you an item

[hoopsguy]

I would really like to have SnDvls and EagleFan on at the same time to hash this out, but I'm doubting that is happening with EF's busy itinerary that he posted earlier.

[dubb93]

I think SNDVLS is on a wild goose chase. So far today he has claimed to narrow down the potential wolf list to 5, placed his full trust in EF, changed his mind and named EF as a wolf b/c 4 words is just too descriptive, and revealed for no good reason.

[dubb93]

Strangely I feel like the only person more confused than me by all of this is SNDVLS himself.

I'm still not sure how he can claim to "clear" people with his role and keep a straight face. How does he know there isn't a restriction on a wolf killing in back to back nights? What if Hoops did the N3 kill? How is this any different than the BG clearing people bc they didn't die when he protected them? So many questions.

[dubb93]

Vote Bug

[Commo_Soldier]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Day Three

#1209 02:36 Crimson votes MrBug (1)
#1239 08:22 Thomkal votes mau (1)
#1241 08:49 EagleFan votes Thomkal (1)
#1244 09:06 Jackal votes Bug (2)
#1255 09:53 Thomkal unvotes mau (0)
#1264 10:27 Autumn votes J23 (1)
#1266 10:54 SnDvls votes Eagle (1)
#1271 11:16 Narcizo votes Eagle (2)

#1305 16:58 Danny votes Zinto (1)
#1322 17:26 Commo votes Zinto (2)
#1325 17:32 SnDvls unvotes Eagle (1)
#1345 18:12 Hoops votes Zinto (3)
#1347 18:15 J23 votes Bug (3)
#1351 18:19 SnDvls votes Zinto (4)
#1372 18:59 Zinto votes Eagle (2)
#1375 19:32 Dubb votes Zinto (5)
#1380 19:48 Gramm votes Zinto (6)
#1383 19:55 Thomkal votes Bug (4)
#1387 20:00 Danny unvotes Zinto (5)
#1387 20:00 Danny votes Thomkal (2)
#1389 20:01 Crimson unvotes Bug (3)
#1389 20:01 Crimson votes Thomkal (3)

#1398 20:38 Jackal unvotes Bug (2)
#1398 20:38 Jackal votes Thomkal (4)
#1401 20:42 J23 unvotes Bug (1)
#1401 20:42 J23 votes Zinto (6)
#1402 20:43 Bug votes Thomkal (5)
#1405 20:47 Zinto unvotes Eagle (1)
#1405 20:47 Zinto votes Thomkal (6)
#1407 20:49 mau votes Thomkal (7)
#1418 20:57 Danny unvotes Thomkal (6)
#1418 20:57 Danny votes Zinto (7)
#1432 21:13 Dzilla votes Thomkal (7)
#1438 21:18 mckerney votes Thomkal (8)

#1442 21:19 Danny unvotes Zinto (6)
#1442 21:19 Danny votes J23 (2)
#1445 21:20 Crimson unvotes Thomkal (7)
#1445 21:20 Crimson votes J23 (3)
#1468 21:32 Thomkal unvotes Bug (1)
#1468 21:32 Thomkal votes Zinto (7)
#1472 21:33 Danny unvotes J23 (2)
#1472 21:33 Danny votes Zinto (8)

#1478 21:35 Autumn unvotes J23 (1)
#1478 21:35 Autumn votes Zinto (9)
#1484 21:37 Crimson unvotes J23 (0)
#1484 21:37 Crimson votes Thomkal (8)
#1494 21:41 Raiders votes Thomkal (9)
#1523 21:51 Chief votes Thomkal (10)
#1526 21:53 Crimson unvotes Thomkal (9)
#1526 21:53 Crimson votes Zinto (10)
#1533 21:57 Jackal unvotes Thomkal (8)
#1533 21:57 Jackal votes Zinto (11)


Thomkal 8 - EagleFan (1241) MrBug (1402) Zinto (1372) mauboy (1407) dzilla (1431) mckerney (1438) Raiders (1494) Chief Rum (1523)
EagleFan 1 - Narcizo (1271)
Zinto 11 - Commo_Soldier (1322) hoopsguy (1345) SnDvls (1351) dubb (1375) Grammaticus (1380) J23 (1401) Thomkal (1468) Danny (1472) Autumn (1478) CrimsonFox (1526) Jackal (1533)

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Day Four

#1678 Commo votes Bug (1)
#1701 Dzilla votes Bug (2)
#1708 Thomkal votes Raiders (1)
#1718 Narcizo votes Chief Rum (1)
#1725 Autumn votes Raiders (2)
#1756 Gramm voes Bug (3)
#1758 Eagle votes Bug (4)
#1760 Jackal votes Raiders (3)
#1769 Dubb votes Crimson (1)
#1784 Hoops votes Eagle (1)
#1791 Crimson votes Bug (5)

#1813 Bug Reveal

#1819 Gramm unvotes Bug (4)
#1819 Gramm votes Eagle (2)
#1820 Crimson unvotes Bug (3)
#1826 Commo unvotes Bug (2)
#1829 Narcizo unvotes Chief (0)
#1829 Narcizo votes Eagle (3)
#1837 J23 votes Eagle (4)
#1845 SnDvls votes Eagle (5)
#1865 commo votes Crimson (2)
#1867 Dzilla unvotes Bug (1)
#1867 Raiders votes Eagle (6)

#1887 Dzilla votes Chief (1)
#1889 Dzilla unvotes Chief (0)
#1889 Dzilla votes Raiders (4)
#1891 Crimson votes Raiders (5)
#1906 Commo unvotes Crimson (1)
#1945 Chief votes Raiders (6)
#1947 mckerney votes Raiders (7)
#1954 Bug votes Chief (1)
#1963 Mau votes Raiders (8)
#1967 Commo votes Chief (2)
#1980 Dubb votes Crimson (0)
#1980 Dubb votes Chief (3)
#1984 Hoops unvotes Eagle (5)
#1984 Hoops votes Chief (4)
#1997 Bug unvotes Chief (3)
#1997 Bug votes Raiders (9)

Forgot the timestamps. Soz.

Raiders Army (9) - Thomkal (1708), Autumn (1725), Jackal (1756), Dzilla (1889), Crimson (1891), Chief Rum (1945), Mckerney (1947), Mauboy (1963), Bug (1997)
EagleFan (5) - Gramma (1819), Narcizo (1829), J23 (1837), SnDvls (1845), Raiders (1867)
Chief Rum (3) - Commo (1967), Dubbs (1980), Hoops (1984)

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Day One

Dubb 1 - thomkal
NTN 9 - grammaticus, Danny, Commo, bhlloy, mauboy, j23, RaidersArmy, Crimson, Autumn
Mauboy 4 - hoops, chief rum, Eaglefan, mckerney
J23 6 - zinto, sndvls, saldana, jackal, Lathum, dubb
Bhlloy 1 - ntndeacon
Lathum 1 - narc
crimson fox 1 - mrbug

Day Two

saldana 8 - eaglefan (662) SnDvls (789) mauboy (851) crimsonfox (861) mckerney (874) chief rum (1054) Lathum (1080) jackal (1088)
mckerney 2 - narcizo (645) mrbug (758)
lathum 6 - dubb (660) raiders (794) thomkal (905) danny (1018) hoops (1083), Gramma (1108)
jackal 6 - autumn (843) commo (908) saldana (921) dzilla (991) j23 (993) zinto (1095)

Bumping this

[Commo_Soldier]

My count thus far as of #2537

EF (6) - Mckerney(2387) SN(2499) Autumn(2507) Jackal(1511) Mau(2513) CR(2526)
Bug(7) - EF(2211) Commo(2354) Narc(2369) Thomkal(2415) Hoops(2423) J23(2445) Dubb(2536)
Narc(2) - Bug(2224) Gramm(2294)

All times PST
Commo votes CR (1) #2153 23:32
((CR Announces items passed)) #2156 23:34
Commo unvotes CR(0) #2157 23:35
Thomkal votes EF(1) #2187 05:31
Jackal votes EF(2) #2196 07:08
((EF Reveals Bug is Convert)) #2211 08:21
EF votes Bug (1) #2211 08:21
Autumn votes CR (1) #2213 08:24
((Bug states he scanned Narc)) #2223 08:47
Bug votes Narc(1) #2224 08:48
Autumn unvotes CR (0) #2237 09:02
Autum votes Narc (2) #2237 09:02
Jackal unvotes EF (1) #2244 09:22
Jackal votes Narc (3) #2244 09:22
J23 votes Narc (4) #2257 09:42
((CR reveals Scientist)) #2261 09:44
Mckerney votes Narc(5) #2281 10:01
SN votes EF (2) #2285 10:09
Commo votes Narc(6) #2290 10:18
Gramm votes Narc(7) #2294 10:32
((Narc reveals sheriff)) #2336 11:22
Commo unvotes Narc(6) #2344 11:29
Commo votes Bug(2) #2354 11:37
Narc votes Bug(3) #2369 11:52
Jackal unvotes Narc(5) #2375 11:58
Jackal votes EF(3) #2357 11:58
Mckerny unvotes Narc(4) #2387 12:07
Mckerney votes EF(4) #2387 12:07
((EF comes on to clarify)) #2405 12:22
Thomkal unvotes EF(3) #2415 12:28
Thomkal votes Bug(4) #2415 12:28
Hoops votes Bug(5) #2423 12:32
Autumn unvotes Narc(3) #2441 12:48
Autumn votes Bug(6) #2442 12:50
J23 unvotes Narc(2) #2444 12:53
J23 votes Bug(7) #2444 12:53
SN unvotes EF(2) #2445 12:57
SN votes Bug(8) #2445 12:57
((SN reveals Detective too and said same as EF in wording)) #2447 13:00
Mau votes Bug(9) #2456 13:08
Jackal unvotes EF(1) #2457 13:09
Jackal votes Bug(10) #2457 13:09
((Sn reveals reread PMs and recants previous statement)) #2489 13:47
SN unvotes Bug(9) #2489 13:47
((SN clarifies recant because they weren't that descriptive when nothing happened)) #2494 13:49
SN votes EF(2) #2499 14:00
Autumn unvotes Bug(8) #2507 14:19
Autumn votes EF(3) #2507 14:19
Jackal unvotes Bug(7) #2511 14:27
Jackal votes EF(4) #2511 14:27
Mau unvotes Bug(6) #2512 14:30
Mau votes EF(5) #2513 14:30
CR votes EF(6) #2526 15:05
Dubb votes Bug(7) #2536 15:53

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Strangely I feel like the only person more confused than me by all of this is SNDVLS himself.

I'm still not sure how he can claim to "clear" people with his role and keep a straight face. How does he know there isn't a restriction on a wolf killing in back to back nights? What if Hoops did the N3 kill? How is this any different than the BG clearing people bc they didn't die when he protected them? So many questions.

Yep, I'm not claiming I should be 100% cleared. Seems like a nice way to vault up the "to kill" list

I'm thinking 33% cleared is the sweet spot in terms of people being more trusted, but not getting lynched. And while I'm being kind of whimsical in coming up with the percentage, I'm absolutely serious about this in a broader beyond-this-game perspective.

[MrBug708]

I don't have a problem facing the flame. I think either way...Narc dies on monday

[dubb93]

It seems unbelievably odd to me that the Bug believers are voting for EF rather than Narc. If Bug is the good seer why the hell don't you vote for Narc?

So let me get this straight. You guys believe Bug is the seer AND still on the side of good but feel better about SNDVLS(who's sole claim is that 4 words is too descriptive too be a real detective result) than Bug who clearly said he scanned Narc and he is a wolf.

Where am I and what happened to the WW CXXXIX thread?

[dubb93]

Abe make sense of this for me.

[Autumn]

I'm not sure you're characterizing that right, Dubb. I was voting Bug, and switched because Sndvls made EF's reveal sound doubtful. We have three people with "reveals" all of which is dubious. I'm trying to pick which one is most dubious. The fact that I think EF's is most dubious doesn't mean I believe Bug. It means I think the downside of killing off EF, our second detective, wouldn't be as bad as the other options if I'm wrong.

[Thomkal]

Abe is too busy laughing Dubb

[hoopsguy]

Well, technically we have four reveals if you include Narcizo's.

I understand wanting to implement risk management here. Normally I'm the king of doing that. But I guess I think that the scans Bug has completed, coupled with two pretty sure wolves if he is a villager, and throwing in the concerns about future actions on him, have tilted me to vote for Bug. But I largely agree with Dubb in that if you actually believe Bug is a good villager right now, then you should be grabbing the person he has fingered as a wolf.

I don't know if that matters at this stage on a Friday night, but I agree with his premise more than the current voting. Which is fine ... I don't always get to pick how the vote plays out. Last night being Exhibit A of that. But I think Dubb has it lined up correctly in terms of the correct choices to make in this spot.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Well, technically we have four reveals if you include Narcizo's.

I understand wanting to implement risk management here. Normally I'm the king of doing that. But I guess I think that the scans Bug has completed, coupled with two pretty sure wolves if he is a villager, and throwing in the concerns about future actions on him, have tilted me to vote for Bug. But I largely agree with Dubb in that if you actually believe Bug is a good villager right now, then you should be grabbing the person he has fingered as a wolf.

I don't know if that matters at this stage on a Friday night, but I agree with his premise more than the current voting. Which is fine ... I don't always get to pick how the vote plays out. Last night being Exhibit A of that. But I think Dubb has it lined up correctly in terms of the correct choices to make in this spot.

I was including Narc, but I guess I don't mean reveals, I mean three people on the voting block today, each with a claim: Bug claims he scanned Narc wolf, Narc claims he's the sherriff, and EF claims Bug is converted last night.

I don't know, I'm pretty lost what to do here. I'm not sure I've ever seen a situation like this before.

I would vote Bug most definitely just for the fact that there's been no sheriff counterreveal. But the fact that Narc could be corrupted makes me think twice on that. Well think 17 times at this point probably.

[Autumn]

commo votes chief 2153
commo unvotes chief 2157
thomkal votes EF 2187
jackal votes EF 2196
EF votes mrbug 2211
autumn votes chief 2213
mrbug votes narcizo 2224
autumn unvotes chief 2237
autumn votes narcizo 2237
jackal unvotes EF 2244
jackal votes narcizo 2244
J23 votes narcizo 2257
sndvls votes ef 2285
commo votes narc 2290
grammaticus votes narc 2294
commo unvotes narc 2344
commo votes mrbug 2354
narcizo votes mrbug 2368
jackal unvotes narc 2375
jackal vote EF 2375
mckerney unvotes narcizo 2387
mckerney votes EF 2387
thomkal unvotes EF 2415
thomkal votes mrbug 2415
hoops guy votes mrbug 2423
autumn unvotes narcizo 2441
autumn votes mrbug 2442
J23 unvotes narcizo 2444
J23 votes mrbug 2444
sndvls unvotes EF 2445
sndvls votes mrbug 2445
mauboy votes mrbug 2456
jackal unvotes EF 2457
jackal votes mrbug 2457
sndvls unvotes mrbug 2489
sndvls votes eaglefan 2499
autumn unvotes mrbug 2507
autumn votes eaglefan 2507
jackal unvotes mrbug 2511
jackal votes EF 2511
mauboy unvotes mrbug 2512
mauboy votes EF 2512
cheif votes EF 2526
dubb votes MrBug 2536

EagleFan - mckerney, sndvls, autumn, jackal, mauboy, chief
Mrbug - EF, commo, narcizo, thomkal, hoops, J23, dubb
narcizo - mrbug, grammaticus

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by dubb93

I think SNDVLS is on a wild goose chase. So far today he has claimed to narrow down the potential wolf list to 5, placed his full trust in EF, changed his mind and named EF as a wolf b/c 4 words is just too descriptive, and revealed for no good reason.

Sndvls clearing people doesn't make sense, but if his detective results don't match what EF described, I think that's a good reason to listen to him. EF was under the gun, came out with a claim under pressure, then revealed as the one role we could think of that would make sense of his claim. It so happens there's another one of those roles in the game? I agree that's possible, but none of that sounds possibly fishy to you? It's odd that Sndvls came out for him first, but it would be just as odd for Sndvls to come out with a complicated fake reveal like this in order to take pressure off of Bug. Why even put himself on the radar at that point? That's what I can't figure out.

[mauchow]

Add in that EF hasn't come back and tried to help make sense of this.

[hoopsguy]

Maybe Zinto can make some sense out of this ...