The Trump Presidency – 2016

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/17/polit...apy/index.html

Hm... I wonder if Ginsberg has plans to stay on until, oh, about January

SI

She should just retire right now and look after her health.

I'm sure McConnell will remain ideologically consistent and wait for the voice of the people to heard in the November elections and respect the results before voting on any replacements.

(Try typing THAT with a straight face)

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

It's become a tired trope here and elsewhere for #resist inclined people to really worry about "outrage fatigue" and the like. Because he/they do so many fucking terrible things it's really hard for right-thinking people to focus on any of them. It's just overwhelming.

Let's hope this...unidentifiable "police" depriving citizen rights under no flag at all...doesn't get lost in the shuffle as we all cry foul over beans and related horseshit. I mean, that's reprehensible too, but...

Are you fucking kidding?

This gets at one of my great frustrations with Dems. The leadership seems to want and expect the media to drive the news cycle, but that's not what happens. The media will go where the parties lead them. The GOP fully understands this. Dems need to focus on a topic for days or weeks with a coordinated response from numerous members.

Instead, we get angry tweets about the outrage of the day and then the sun sets and they do it all over again on this day's outrage. And, so, Trump's one thousand scandals end up hurting him less than if there was only one.

[JPhillips]

This interview with political data analyst David Schor is terrific.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020...ory-polls.html

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by molson

The good news on that end is that the most promising vaccine candidates have already started mass production. They're betting big-time on them being effective.

I'm a little less sure on how distribution will work. It's easy to see Trump mucking that up somehow.

However distribution works out when it happens, there will be winners and losers, recriminations and finger pointing etc. I would like to hear what ethicists have to say (not Trump nor Melinda Gates).

[NobodyHere]

How do I become an ethicist?

It sounds like a lazy and highly pretentious job.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

She should just retire right now and look after her health.

I'm sure McConnell will remain ideologically consistent and wait for the voice of the people to heard in the November elections and respect the results before voting on any replacements.

(Try typing THAT with a straight face)

Did your keyboard grow a long wooden nose or spontaneously catch fire when you typed that?

SI

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

How do I become an ethicist?

It sounds like a lazy and highly pretentious job.

FWIW.

Honesetly doesn't seem pretentious to me.

https://learn.org/articles/Medical_E...lary_FAQs.html

Professionals in medical ethics frequently hold advanced graduate degrees in healthcare. For example, medical ethicists may hold a Doctor of Medicine, Doctor of Dental Surgery, Doctor of Dental Medicine or Doctor of Pharmacy. You also could earn a Ph.D. or an advanced degree in nursing, as well as a degree from a law school.

If you opt to attend medical school, you'll probably take an ethics course, according to a study published by the Association of American Medical Colleges, which reported that 79% of medical schools in the United States required students to take at least one course in ethics as of 2002 (www.aamc.org). You also can find formal graduate programs in ethics, which combine theory and clinical practice. In these programs, you might be involved in actual ethical decision-making with cases at hospitals or institutional review boards.

Coursework in an ethics program is often interdisciplinary. You may address such issues as genetics, euthanasia, abortion, healthcare, animal rights, human experimentation, cloning, transplants, stem cell research, end-of-life questions, informed consent and rights of the unborn.

[Edward64]

Here you go. Enjoy.

[NobodyHere]

Because you told me to enjoy it I choose not to.

[ISiddiqui]

So this mask thing is absurd. The state of fucking ALABAMA has a mask ordinance, but our idiot governor in Georgia is suing individual cities and counties for their mask ordinances. All the while saying people should wear masks and he thinks they will... Like I get not having a state wide ordinance if you think some rural areas may not need them, but why can't cities like Atlanta which are hitting ICU limits take extra precautions?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Might as well merge 'em, 'cause it's all political.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Might as well merge 'em, 'cause it's all political.

We hardly agree, but 100% with you on this one.

[sterlingice]

I was going to point out that it's kindof comical to even call it the Wuhan Coronavirus thread at this point

SI

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I was going to point out that it's kindof comical to even call it the Wuhan Coronavirus thread at this point

SI

That in itself can be construed as political, which negated the prime directive of the other thread right off the bat.

[molson]

Let's build a wall around the virus and make the virus pay for it!

Am I doing this right?

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I was going to point out that it's kind of comical to even call it the Wuhan Coronavirus thread at this point

SI

You are right, I'll change it. What do you want to call it?

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by molson

Let's build a wall around the virus and make the virus pay for it!

Am I doing this right?

My sources tell me that the virus doesn't have a valid US birth certificate and actually came from outside the United States.

[thesloppy]

I'm considering going down to ground zero at the justice center to see how things are popping off tonight. Or I might go to bed at 7.

[ISiddiqui]

So I do remember some conversation that the current COVID-19 in the US is more due to mutations of the original COVID-19 in Italy which came into NYC. I'm not sure how accurate that is though - although the virus which came into NYC was from Europe rather than China.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Might as well merge 'em, 'cause it's all political.

exactly.

People also complained there were already too many Covid threads.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

I'm considering going down to ground zero at the justice center to see how things are popping off tonight. Or I might go to bed at 7.

Just look out for unmarked SS vans.

SI

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

So I do remember some conversation that the current COVID-19 in the US is more due to mutations of the original COVID-19 in Italy which came into NYC. I'm not sure how accurate that is though - although the virus which came into NYC was from Europe rather than China.

Wrong thread.

This one if for political commentary.

You want to talk epidemiology you have to start a new thread on the topic.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Edward64

You are right, I'll change it. What do you want to call it?

I dunno. Maybe just the "The COVID-19 thread"? The other one already has the name and the no politics label.

SI

[Ksyrup]

The clip of Chris Wallace's interview with Trump where he calls him out on the Biden/defunding the police lie is hilarious. I'm kinda surprised he allowed Wallace to interview him as he is one of the few at Fox News willing to go wherever the facts take him.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Wrong thread.

This one if for political commentary also.

You want to talk epidemiology you have to start a new thread on the topic.

The Dr. Fauci Epidemiology thread.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

The Dr. Fauci Epidemiology thread.

Good idea. But you’re only allowed to discuss the disease, not the credibility of Fauci. That one will have to go in a newly created thread about the merits of wearing a mask.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I dunno. Maybe just the "The COVID-19 thread"? The other one already has the name and the no politics label.

SI

Done.

[ISiddiqui]

So Georgia has been on CNN a bunch today (no surprised, the HQ is in GA), but I really hate my state being a worldwide laughing stock due to our idiot Governor. I hear people are researching recall provisions.

[ISiddiqui]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...f38_story.html

The Post-ABC poll shows 38 percent of Americans approve of his handling of the outbreak, down from 46 percent in May and 51 percent in March. Sixty percent disapprove, up from 53 percent in May and 45 percent in March.

More than half of the public — 52 percent — now disapproves “strongly” of Trump’s handling of the outbreak, roughly double the percentage who say they strongly approve of his efforts and an increase from 36 percent in strong disapproval since March.

Who are these 38%?

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...f38_story.html



Who are these 38%?

The ones who think it's a hoax

SI

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

She should just retire right now and look after her health.

I'm sure McConnell will remain ideologically consistent and wait for the voice of the people to heard in the November elections and respect the results before voting on any replacements.

(Try typing THAT with a straight face)

Oh, he's already said that the Gorsuch Maneuver only counts when it's a Democratic Presidency and a GOP Senate. When the same party controls both, that's different.

[ISiddiqui]

The Governor of Florida is reopening gyms because (and I shit you not):

“If you are good shape you have a very, very low likelihood of ending up in significant condition as a result of the coronavirus," DeSantis said during an afternoon news conference in Apopka, Florida.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/...e9e6b665a2106e

He's trying to outdumb Kemp..

[Ksyrup]

It's part "hoax" people, but it's also the "I have to support Trump because Dems are evil even though I'll privately admit this hasn't gone well" people, plus the "media and certain state officials are making it look worse than it really is because the end goal is to vote Trump out" people.

Meanwhile, it's pretty obvious that Trump and his biggest supporters/enablers have been their own worst enemy.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

It's part "hoax" people, but it's also the "I have to support Trump because Dems are evil even though I'll privately admit this hasn't gone well" people, plus the "media and certain state officials are making it look worse than it really is because the end goal is to vote Trump out" people.

And apparently all of these people post on Facebook.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...f38_story.html



Who are these 38%?

That's the base

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

He's trying to outdumb Kemp..

Leave Brian be. He so rarely gets anything right, let me have the one time he managed to hit the stopped clock exception.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Who are these 38%?

I saw a guy post someplace else yesterday that Trump is kicking China's ass. He's also anti-mask and believes Covid is just the flu so I'm sure he's part of the 38% and gives you an idea of what we're working with here.

[Thomkal]

Guess Trump didn't like hearing those rumors about his now former campaign manager:

Trump campaign conducting internal review of 2020 spending irregularities - Business Insider

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Oh, he's already said that the Gorsuch Maneuver only counts when it's a Democratic Presidency and a GOP Senate. When the same party controls both, that's different.

Process complaints by the GOP are almost always in bad faith. They want to use process to win. That's it.

[thesloppy]

Comforting to think that lots of the same folks that can't be bothered to wear a mask are the same folks that will prevent us from ever moving an inch on gun control.

[JPhillips]

A former HS teacher of mine likes to post on current and past numbers without giving any chance that cases/hospitalizations/deaths will continue to go up. It started months ago with number of total deaths and moved to cases outside of NY and has now moved to average deaths per day over the past 120 days in TX compared to the worst flu season in the past ten years.

[molson]

I'm not sure if we've covered, this, but in the last two days, Kanye: dropped out, filed a Statement of Organization with the FEC, AND officially got on the Oklahoma ballot. Apparently you can pay your way on that one. His party affiliation is the birthday party. But Oklahoma considers him an independent.

Kanye is going to finish 3rd in Oklahoma.

[molson]

Companies are selling, and people are buying, mesh masks which are intended to comply with local requirements, but have the special desired, and intended, feature of not actually having any ability to protect you from anything.

Anti-mask protesters' new weapon: wearing masks that offer no COVID-19 protection | wthr.com

[Ksyrup]

The latest racist Karen video out of CA where a guy is confronted while mowing the lawn at an apartment complex to "show me your papers, mariposa" pisses me off so much I want to go there and beat her ass myself. Thanks to Trump, these people are so emboldened to be racist on camera and smile about it that it just makes my blood boil. Just vile ugliness.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

The Governor of Florida is reopening gyms because (and I shit you not):



https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/...e9e6b665a2106e

He's trying to outdumb Kemp..

A buddy has already shut his gym down twice since the middle of May when he re-opened.

[JPhillips]

The WH is writing copy for The Lincoln Project again.

Trump adviser tells WaPo that when it comes to the pandemic, the president is “not really working this anymore. He doesn’t want to be distracted by it. He’s not calling and asking about data. He’s not worried about cases.” https://t.co/cMaaFvu1rY

— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) July 18, 2020

[tarcone]

Question (In The Office mode): Is the Supreme court out of touch of the realities of todays society? Are they puppets of their parties? Or are they the most intellectual law minds of our times?

With the health of Ginsberg, Im wondering if a switch to a younger court may be able to adapt to the ever changing and quickly changing world.

[Brian Swartz]

Doesn't want to be distracted by a pandemic, because he has more important things to do.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

Doesn't want to be distracted by a pandemic, because he has more important things to do.

Those golf balls won't hit themselves, you know.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by molson

I'm not sure if we've covered, this, but in the last two days, Kanye: dropped out, filed a Statement of Organization with the FEC, AND officially got on the Oklahoma ballot. Apparently you can pay your way on that one. His party affiliation is the birthday party. But Oklahoma considers him an independent.

Kanye is going to finish 3rd in Oklahoma.

Whichever side ends up losing the PredictIt market on whether he officially ran or not will have a legitimate complaint.