The Biden Presidency - 2020

[Edward64]

Not a lot of details in the bipartisan 10 senator infrastructure bill. No new taxes, about $1.2T (although Wapo is saying $1T). Nice middle ground number. Looking forward to what's in the bill, guessing some of the more pseudo infrastructure stuff has been dropped.

I appreciate the effort and this will give Biden a relatively out for bipartisanship.

[BYU 14]

It is disappointing that they couldn't agree on at least a small bump in corporate tax, not sure Biden is going to be too keen on that.

[Mota]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Vaccines cause magnetism?

We should show this clip to aliens who invade our planet. Prove to them we're the dumbest species in the solar system.pic.twitter.com/OpnpLSyN0v

— Isaac (@WorldofIsaac) June 9, 2021

When the aliens activate the tractor beams, all of us vaccinated "magnetized" people will float into the sky and never be seen again, leaving the unvaccinated people to catch COVID and pass away uncontested, bringing the earth back to it's original form and solving global warming.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

It is disappointing that they couldn't agree on at least a small bump in corporate tax, not sure Biden is going to be too keen on that.

That's the Democrats for you.

[AlexB]

Originally Posted by Mota

When the aliens activate the tractor beams, all of us vaccinated "magnetized" people will float into the sky and never be seen again, leaving the unvaccinated people to catch COVID and pass away uncontested, bringing the earth back to it's original form and solving global warming.

The woman in the blue T-shirt is hilarious in the background

[I. J. Reilly]

Originally Posted by Mota

When the aliens activate the tractor beams, all of us vaccinated "magnetized" people will float into the sky and never be seen again, leaving the unvaccinated people to catch COVID and pass away uncontested, bringing the earth back to it's original form and solving global warming.

If the rapture had been presented like this in Sunday school I might still go to church.

[whomario]

Originally Posted by AlexB

The woman in the blue T-shirt is hilarious in the background

And she's apparently a supporter of the proposed bill judging by the writing on her shirt.

Also, Dr. Tenpenny could not be more perfectly named if one tried. And of course she's monetizing hedr patriotic resistance to tyranee:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ehananoki...83062439407617

[Mota]

My wife's doctor is also a bit crazy like that, maybe not quite as much. That COVID is taking a much higher toll on mental health than physical, since none of her patients have actually gotten COVID. (spoiler alert: people don't make an appointment 3 weeks out to see their family doctor if they can't breathe and have COVID). And she's going to stop wearing a mask because she's done with it. I can't believe that doctors think like that.

[Thomkal]

Netanyahu officially gone as Israel's leader. Who knows how long that will last as crazy as Israeli politics seems. I'm also concerned that the guy replacing him for 2 years decides he's going to stay longer and put the guy who is supposed to replace him in jail.

[JPhillips]

There's only one endorsement that matters, Trump.

NEW NC Senate GOP primary poll (Ted Budd internal)

Pat McCrory - 45%
Ted Budd - 19%
Mark Walker - 12%

That changes to

McCrory - 27%
Bud - 46%
Walker - 8%

after being told Budd was endorsed by Trump.

[albionmoonlight]

McCrory is the former governor, so you figure a lot of that 45% was soft and based on nothing more than name recognition.

But that's still a pretty stark change.

[NobodyHere]

With the whole G7 conference and the Russia Summit. One thing I hope Biden really goes after is ransomware and the people behind it. We really need extradition treaties or something to help bring these guys to justice. Any country knowingly sheltering them should be boycotted.

My company has had several of our customers hacked and even one of our suppliers. Our operations have not been affected but it feels like a matter of when and not if.

[JPhillips]

Dems pass HR1 in the House, GOP and Manchin say no.

Manchin releases a plan that cuts some of HR1 and adds nationwide voter ID.

Stacey Abrams says, sounds good.

GOP says no because it's a Stacey Abrams plan.

[RainMaker]

Can't wait for these dumbasses to blame the AOC or whoever for losing the Senate and House in a couple years.

BUDGET: moderate Dems @MarkWarner and @SenatorTester say they cannot support Sanders $6 trillion budget framework

— Erik Wasson (@elwasson) June 17, 2021

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Dems pass HR1 in the House, GOP and Manchin say no.

Manchin releases a plan that cuts some of HR1 and adds nationwide voter ID.

Stacey Abrams says, sounds good.

GOP says no because it's a Stacey Abrams plan.

Joe Manchin is going to bring back bipartisan politics. You just have to be patient.

[RainMaker]

Those "don't legislate from the bench" folks sure never bring up Alito.

My God, Alito and Gorsuch. pic.twitter.com/7wJ3fUxFO9

— Robert VerBruggen (@RAVerBruggen) June 17, 2021

[molson]

Three day weekend!!!

(This didn't occur to me until we got the email late this afternoon).

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

With the whole G7 conference and the Russia Summit. One thing I hope Biden really goes after is ransomware and the people behind it. We really need extradition treaties or something to help bring these guys to justice. Any country knowingly sheltering them should be boycotted.

My company has had several of our customers hacked and even one of our suppliers. Our operations have not been affected but it feels like a matter of when and not if.

As a CISO at a large global industrial manufacturer I would love that to happen. But am not holding my breath.

[JPhillips]

I didn't realize Netanyahu is still living in the PM's residence and has refused to leave.

[RainMaker]

Although Biden has vowed not to hire his own family, in the first few months of his presidency, at least five children of his top aides have secured coveted jobs in the new administration https://t.co/JQ0HxPUFvY

— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) June 18, 2021

[Atocep]

In Ohio they can now take away your SNAP benefits if you have more than $2,250 in checking and savings or if you drive a vehicle worth more than $4,650.

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by Atocep

In Ohio they can now take away your SNAP benefits if you have more than $2,250 in checking and savings or if you drive a vehicle worth more than $4,650.

The cost in people & resources necessary to constantly track that kind of minutiae can not possibly be worth the 'savings', right? Practically goes without saying that those efforts would obviously be spent on regulations & oversight for corporations and/or the super wealthy, rather than the super poor.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

With the whole G7 conference and the Russia Summit. One thing I hope Biden really goes after is ransomware and the people behind it. We really need extradition treaties or something to help bring these guys to justice. Any country knowingly sheltering them should be boycotted.

My company has had several of our customers hacked and even one of our suppliers. Our operations have not been affected but it feels like a matter of when and not if.

I guess I spoke too soon. The lack of supplies has caught up with us and our production is at a trickle. Biden really needs to go after these guys.

[Vegas Vic]

I've been listening to Vice President Harris and other key Democrats' talking points the past few days. It appears that "migration" is the new PC term for "illegal immigration."

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

I've been listening to Vice President Harris and other key Democrats' talking points the past few days. It appears that "migration" is the new PC term for "illegal immigration."

I like the idea of Harris focusing on the "root cause" vs just reacting to border situations. It was pretty stupid how she just didn't go to the border which gave the Trumpster's months of ammo. Just go and say you are getting a personal report from whoever is responsible for the border situation and be done with it.

With that said, not much has happened other than a trip down south. It honestly doesn't seem to be much of a priority to her. I get Biden focusing on the infrastructure, job, family bills and pandemic, but Harris should be more active here IMO.

[Edward64]

I like there was bi-partisanship in the infrastructure bill. If it passes, it sets the tone going forward of compromise. There was some obvious non-infrastructure stuff. Then Biden had snafu (or was it intentional?) with the tandem remark. Beats me how this will turn out but I (and the stock market) want that $1.2T bi-partisanship infrastructure bill.

Joe Biden said the quiet part out loud and paid a price for it.

Reveling in his bipartisan win on infrastructure Thursday, the president declared that he would not sign the deal he’d just endorsed unless a separate bill including his other domestic priorities arrived on his desk, too. Whether deliberate or not, the comment set off a cascade of events in and out of the Oval Office that had aides putting out fires the next day and raised questions about the future of their prized $1 trillion bipartisan deal.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Edward64

It was pretty stupid how she just didn't go to the border which gave the Trumpster's months of ammo

Because nothing this administration does will be good enough. If they jump through 1 hoop they're going to have 3 more in front of them and they'll claim they didn't actually jump through the first hoop well enough.

[cuervo72]

And if something either dies down or doesn't take hold, invent another "crisis."

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

And if something either dies down or doesn't take hold, invent another "crisis."

"TAXPAYERS PAY BILLIONS FOR HARRIS' JUNKET TO THE BORDER."

[RainMaker]

Of course, the compromise ditches the tax increases for the wealthy and the loopholes for corporations. God forbid they pay taxes.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

"TAXPAYERS PAY BILLIONS FOR HARRIS' JUNKET TO THE BORDER."

It seems kind of dumb to appease a group of people who are bring up an issue in bad faith who would never vote for you. Another example of Democrats thinking whatever is happening on Fox News matters to voters.

The last two election saw the GOP make the border their central issue and they got roasted each time.

[JPhillips]

Today is day 17 of Netenyahu's continuing occupation of the PM residence.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Today is day 17 of Netenyahu's continuing occupation of the PM residence.

I'm really glad this happened after our election, or Trump might have got ideas...I've not been following this story too much-why haven't they dealt with him yet?

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

I'm really glad this happened after our election, or Trump might have got ideas...I've not been following this story too much-why haven't they dealt with him yet?

They don't have a defined protocol for turning the building over. Good thing we wrote crap down in the Constitution like when to GTFO.

[JPhillips]

So a billionaire from TN is funding SD National Guard deployment to the TX border.

I think they call these people warlords.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

So a billionaire from TN is funding SD National Guard deployment to the TX border.

I think they call these people warlords.

What the hell? You have a link?

[PilotMan]

Every time I explain that Mexico is the end result when states have all the 'rights' and 'authority' and when money is allowed to have influence over governmental figures and people just stare at me like they don't get it.

Government doesn't have amazing success of efficiency when it's bottom up. Why should states have all the say? I really feel like counties are getting the shaft! COUNTIES ARE AUTHORITARIAN AND OUT OF TOUCH!! Cities should be the basis for governance! Down with cities! It's the HOA's that have the real power!!!

It just fucking never ends.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

What the hell? You have a link?

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden...749a92608d2287

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

So a billionaire from TN is funding SD National Guard deployment to the TX border.

I think they call these people warlords.

This is Noem effectively announcing she's running for President in 2024 if Trump isn't.


EDIT: I'm also very curious on the legality of this. I don't see how this could possibly be legal, but I'm not sure this is something that was ever even considered.

[PilotMan]

I can't imagine it's legal either

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Every time I explain that Mexico is the end result when states have all the 'rights' and 'authority' and when money is allowed to have influence over governmental figures and people just stare at me like they don't get it.

I would call this one part one-sided and one part naive. The naive part is that money will *always* have influence over governmental figures in a free society. It's part of what goes with that freedom. Either people have a voice or they don't, and money is part and parcel of that voice.

On the other part, I think Mexico being the end result of states right etc. is quite an exaggeration. I'm with you that states shouldn't have all the say etc., but there's virtually nobody who actually thinks they should *all* of it. That's a strawman. By the same token, I think almost everyone here would agree they should have *some*. I don't hear many calls for abolishing all governorships and state legislatures.

The track record of top-down government isn't so hot either, to put it mildly. I think it all comes back to the idea that in every condition government is a necessary evil. Both extremes are flawed, and it's very difficult to strike an appropriate balance.

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

So a billionaire from TN is funding SD National Guard deployment to the TX border.

I think they call these people warlords.

I'd like to rent the National Guard to harass my asshole neighbor. What's the going rate for that?

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

I would call this one part one-sided and one part naive. The naive part is that money will *always* have influence over governmental figures in a free society. It's part of what goes with that freedom. Either people have a voice or they don't, and money is part and parcel of that voice.

On the other part, I think Mexico being the end result of states right etc. is quite an exaggeration. I'm with you that states shouldn't have all the say etc., but there's virtually nobody who actually thinks they should *all* of it. That's a strawman. By the same token, I think almost everyone here would agree they should have *some*. I don't hear many calls for abolishing all governorships and state legislatures.

The track record of top-down government isn't so hot either, to put it mildly. I think it all comes back to the idea that in every condition government is a necessary evil. Both extremes are flawed, and it's very difficult to strike an appropriate balance.

It's a conversation over what happens without a strong central government, not a non existent one. The balance isn't all or nothing, it's enough that it tips to the state. That's all it takes. Gtfo with "top down governments are bad" shit too. It's the only way large governments have success. If the central government doesn't carry authority over the states, then there is no real value in a central government. States just do whateverthefuck they want every state is different and yes, individual cartels, and warlords end up controlling certain areas with the blessing of the state and yes, that would happen here. And again, yes, there are still plenty of groups that don't want the central government to be able to contravene a state.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by bronconick

I'd like to rent the National Guard to harass my asshole neighbor. What's the going rate for that?

95% off if you happen to live next to Rand Paul.

[bob]

Not sure if this is the right place for this question, but here goes.

So starting in July, they will be putting out payments of the child tax credit on a monthly basis. Basically, calculated on 2019 or 2021 numbers, they will determine your credit, pay half of it from July - Dec in monthly payments, then the other half at tax time.

Will this continue in 2022, meaning you will get 1/12th of the expected credit each month and then none at tax time or will things go back to normal? I can't find that answer anywhere.

[JPhillips]

I'm pretty sure it just goes through the end of 2021, but the 2021 credit has risen from 2k to 3k.

[bob]

Gotcha thanks

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

The balance isn't all or nothing, it's enough that it tips to the state. That's all it takes. Gtfo with "top down governments are bad" shit too. It's the only way large governments have success.

I most certainly will not gtfo out with that, inasmuch as too much centralized power has caused great damage throughout history. Certainly the 20th century has *massive* evidence of that. They do need a certain amount of power to succeed in their mandate, but just as the complete extreme on the state side would be worse than Mexico, the extreme on the other side is pretty much Stalin. Power corrupts, and all that. I don't know what you mean by 'enough that that it tips to the state'. There are different levels of division of authority on different issues. States having power in certain arenas doesn't mean they are inherently stronger than the fed ...

Originally Posted by PilotMan

If the central government doesn't carry authority over the states, then there is no real value in a central government. States just do whateverthefuck they want every state is different and yes, individual cartels, and warlords end up controlling certain areas with the blessing of the state and yes, that would happen here. And again, yes, there are still plenty of groups that don't want the central government to be able to contravene a state.

Agreed for the most part, but on the last sentence as i mentioned, there simply is not a significant movement that *never* wants the fed to be able to override states. There is no significant support behind abolishing the US Army, or federal enforcement agencies en masse (i.e. people who want ICE gone generally don't also want the ATF, FBI, etc. gone as well), or giving all the land in national parks back to the state, etc. The question as ever is where you draw the line. What I'm reading is you basically painting anyone who wants significantly more state power than we currently have to be effectively the same as an absolutist, which just isn't the nature of where people are at on this.

[PilotMan]

Arguing against my point by saying that the other side can be just a isn't a valid argument.

Also, you should really spend more time in the south. It will certainly change your perspective on the 'nature of where people are at on this.'

[JPhillips]

Pretty crazy that the GOP justices on SCOTUS have now all but invalidated the entire Voting Rights Act.