WW CXXXIX - The Red Death II - GAME OVER, SERVANTS WIN

[Autumn]

Probably ...

[Thomkal]

lets see about an hour left before deadline, I'm betting 10 more pages before then with more role claims and about 20 vote changes per player. Sound about right?

[hoopsguy]

Chief already claimed my super-secret role. I can't immediately find the post, but it was the one where he claimed to be able to lynch four people simultaneously. Somehow he has commandeered my role.

[Autumn]

That's because his real role is role stealer.

I'm of course paparazzi.

[mauchow]

Sheeeeeeeeiiiit

[mauchow]

Well, if Bug is convinced EF is also a wolf, he'll be moving there I assume.

[mauchow]

That leaves us with a tie and a huge conundrum. Do we kill them both due to the craziness of it all?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Sndvls clearing people doesn't make sense, but if his detective results don't match what EF described, I think that's a good reason to listen to him. EF was under the gun, came out with a claim under pressure, then revealed as the one role we could think of that would make sense of his claim. It so happens there's another one of those roles in the game? I agree that's possible, but none of that sounds possibly fishy to you? It's odd that Sndvls came out for him first, but it would be just as odd for Sndvls to come out with a complicated fake reveal like this in order to take pressure off of Bug. Why even put himself on the radar at that point? That's what I can't figure out.

You lose me @ Bug is good so lets kill EF rather than Narc.

[mauchow]

Well, if we're revealing, I may as well....

"I'M MY OWN GRANDPA!"

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by dubb93

You lose me @ Bug is good so lets kill EF rather than Narc.

Who says Bug is good? I have no idea Bug is good. And as someone pointed out, EF being bad could still leave Bug bad.

I am not claiming any of these three are good. Presumably some of them are, but f&#@ed if I know who.

[Autumn]

What is your theory on what has happened, Dubb? You think Bug is bad, Narc is good, EF is good? And you think Sndvls is bad or just confused?

[Autumn]

I'm thinking about whether I should move to Bug to avoid any possible ties. Certainly there's a good chance he's the bad one, so not necessarily a bad move. In fact there's a chance they're both bad, I suppose. But there's no way they're both good, right? So maybe a tie is the smart move here. Can anyone think of a way that they'd both be good?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Who says Bug is good? I have no idea Bug is good. And as someone pointed out, EF being bad could still leave Bug bad.

I am not claiming any of these three are good. Presumably some of them are, but f&#@ed if I know who.

I think Bug and EF could be a wolf team here. For that exact reason I think we should stick to Bug/Narc. Bug and Narc are linked by bug. EF and Bug are linked by EF. I prefer to take out the common link.

FWIW my gut says SNDVLS is confused, Narc is good, Bug is bad, and the jury is out on EF but I think his death today tells us the least.

[hoopsguy]

I'm not vehemently opposed to a tie. I haven't voiced it yet this game, but if we think "both die" is the result of a tie I can live with that at this stage of the game. As we get a little deeper into next week I might change my mind on that issue but for Week 1 of a 24 person game I'm not too terribly worried about a multi-lynch event.

[mauchow]

Killing both would work for me to be honest. If they're good, they both get a shot at living through the flames. It settles any worries of killing one and being bad and giving the other the benefit of the doubt down the road.

[mauchow]

And I do believe we have a bad one out of the two, for sure. And I sure wouldn't be surprised if both were bad. MY mind has been twisted back and forth today in this topic it hurts my head to think about.

[dubb93]

With wolves in play I can't imagine a way we can keep this tie. As you say, one is likely to be a wolf. You think that one is just going to let us tie this up? Whichever of the bunch is a wolf has made a desperate play here. They are going down within the next couple of days but are doing everything they can to make that day not be today. You think they are going to allow a tie?

[Commo_Soldier]

The problem I have with a tie is the possibility of wolves having an extra vote, or more. If we tie they will lynch the person they want still and know with a certainty that the +1 item works, now it is just speculation.

[mauchow]

considering they won't kill themselves by taking their vote off the other, assuming bug eventually moves over.

[mauchow]

Ehhhh...sigh... extra votes.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by dubb93

With wolves in play I can't imagine a way we can keep this tie. As you say, one is likely to be a wolf. You think that one is just going to let us tie this up? Whichever of the bunch is a wolf has made a desperate play here. They are going down within the next couple of days but are doing everything they can to make that day not be today. You think they are going to allow a tie?

What would they do to prevent it? Their move, even if last minute, can only get themselves lynched alone, so go for it wolf.

[Autumn]

Oh extra votes, right.

[Commo_Soldier]

That is also if Bug moves, he has been on to see the current vote count and didn't change his vote, so no guarantee he ever will.

[dubb93]

Well I don't give a damn. I say we go big and lynch all three of them.

[dubb93]

Screw it. This is werewolf, not playitsafewolf. String them all up, let the cleansing flame sort it out.

[dubb93]

Give us a vote count so we can make this happen.

[Commo_Soldier]

I think we learn the most by lynching bug. If it comes back he was a zombie or something that shows EF probably did see a conversion. Will not confirm or deny Narc, but a detective may be able to solve that as we have two.

[Autumn]

6 EagleFan - mckerney, sndvls, autumn, jackal, mauboy, chief
7 Mrbug - EF, commo, narcizo, thomkal, hoops, J23, dubb
2 narcizo - mrbug, grammaticus

[Commo_Soldier]

Nothing has changed since this.

Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

My count thus far as of #2537

EF (6) - Mckerney(2387) SN(2499) Autumn(2507) Jackal(1511) Mau(2513) CR(2526)
Bug(7) - EF(2211) Commo(2354) Narc(2369) Thomkal(2415) Hoops(2423) J23(2445) Dubb(2536)
Narc(2) - Bug(2224) Gramm(2294)

All times PST
Commo votes CR (1) #2153 23:32
((CR Announces items passed)) #2156 23:34
Commo unvotes CR(0) #2157 23:35
Thomkal votes EF(1) #2187 05:31
Jackal votes EF(2) #2196 07:08
((EF Reveals Bug is Convert)) #2211 08:21
EF votes Bug (1) #2211 08:21
Autumn votes CR (1) #2213 08:24
((Bug states he scanned Narc)) #2223 08:47
Bug votes Narc(1) #2224 08:48
Autumn unvotes CR (0) #2237 09:02
Autum votes Narc (2) #2237 09:02
Jackal unvotes EF (1) #2244 09:22
Jackal votes Narc (3) #2244 09:22
J23 votes Narc (4) #2257 09:42
((CR reveals Scientist)) #2261 09:44
Mckerney votes Narc(5) #2281 10:01
SN votes EF (2) #2285 10:09
Commo votes Narc(6) #2290 10:18
Gramm votes Narc(7) #2294 10:32
((Narc reveals sheriff)) #2336 11:22
Commo unvotes Narc(6) #2344 11:29
Commo votes Bug(2) #2354 11:37
Narc votes Bug(3) #2369 11:52
Jackal unvotes Narc(5) #2375 11:58
Jackal votes EF(3) #2357 11:58
Mckerny unvotes Narc(4) #2387 12:07
Mckerney votes EF(4) #2387 12:07
((EF comes on to clarify)) #2405 12:22
Thomkal unvotes EF(3) #2415 12:28
Thomkal votes Bug(4) #2415 12:28
Hoops votes Bug(5) #2423 12:32
Autumn unvotes Narc(3) #2441 12:48
Autumn votes Bug(6) #2442 12:50
J23 unvotes Narc(2) #2444 12:53
J23 votes Bug(7) #2444 12:53
SN unvotes EF(2) #2445 12:57
SN votes Bug(8) #2445 12:57
((SN reveals Detective too and said same as EF in wording)) #2447 13:00
Mau votes Bug(9) #2456 13:08
Jackal unvotes EF(1) #2457 13:09
Jackal votes Bug(10) #2457 13:09
((Sn reveals reread PMs and recants previous statement)) #2489 13:47
SN unvotes Bug(9) #2489 13:47
((SN clarifies recant because they weren't that descriptive when nothing happened)) #2494 13:49
SN votes EF(2) #2499 14:00
Autumn unvotes Bug(8) #2507 14:19
Autumn votes EF(3) #2507 14:19
Jackal unvotes Bug(7) #2511 14:27
Jackal votes EF(4) #2511 14:27
Mau unvotes Bug(6) #2512 14:30
Mau votes EF(5) #2513 14:30
CR votes EF(6) #2526 15:05
Dubb votes Bug(7) #2536 15:53

[mauchow]

It's funny to talk about lynching your seer potentially.. sad, sad.

[Commo_Soldier]

I'm not sold on a tie though because chances are the flame will not sort it out, but the wolves.

[Autumn]

Killing all three guarantees that we're killing either our real seer or our real bodyguard. I guess there's a possibility that those are both wolves, but that seems the slimmest possibility out there.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

It's funny to talk about lynching your seer potentially.. sad, sad.

So your stance is that he is the seer but his scan isn't good enough evidence for you? Why aren't you voting Narc? If you believe that Bug is the seer then you have to believe his scan. Correct?

[Commo_Soldier]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

It's funny to talk about lynching your seer potentially.. sad, sad.

The problem is our seer has not helped himself out with his strange and erratic behavior not to mention the possibility of wolves converting him or him converting himself.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

I think we learn the most by lynching bug. If it comes back he was a zombie or something that shows EF probably did see a conversion. Will not confirm or deny Narc, but a detective may be able to solve that as we have two.

I agree, as crazy as it seems to lynch the adept-his death potentially gives us the most information in return.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Killing all three guarantees that we're killing either our real seer or our real bodyguard. I guess there's a possibility that those are both wolves, but that seems the slimmest possibility out there.

Playitsafewolf it is then.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Playitsafewolf it is then.

Not lynching three people at once is now play it safe? lol

[Commo_Soldier]

I can almost guarantee we leave it in a three way tie there will not be a three person lynch. Worst case is the wolves have two things that give them extra votes and both EF and Narc are villagers and a +1 on each of them means Bug survives and two villagers live. Anyone seriously considering a tie is off their rocker crazy and possibly a wolf.

[Autumn]

I'll move to Bug if we think he's going to show up and tie it up at the last moment. I'd also be okay with a tie between those two. I am not willing to go with a three way tie and possibly kill two roled villagers and one wolf.

[Commo_Soldier]

Dola, meant die not live.

[Thomkal]

not with the lynch three idea-that's just too many, especially if bug turns out to be the only evil one of the three.

[Autumn]

We're sure the wolves have these things? CF said he had something like that? But how could he know that? I don't have a frigging clue what my items do.

[Commo_Soldier]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I'll move to Bug if we think he's going to show up and tie it up at the last moment. I'd also be okay with a tie between those two. I am not willing to go with a three way tie and possibly kill two roled villagers and one wolf.

If it looks like, there may not be any looking like until the last second and you can't move your vote which has already happened twice in four days.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

Anyone seriously considering a tie is off their rocker crazy and possibly a wolf.

So which is it. Am I off my rocker crazy or am I a wolf?

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by dubb93

So your stance is that he is the seer but his scan isn't good enough evidence for you? Why aren't you voting Narc? If you believe that Bug is the seer then you have to believe his scan. Correct?

So, to lynch EF, a possible detective who gave good information, was believable, changed the vote in a hurry.

To lynch bug, who says Narc is bad, but is/was our seer.

To lynch, Narc, potentially our BG.

This is nuts.

[Commo_Soldier]

Originally Posted by Autumn

We're sure the wolves have these things? CF said he had something like that? But how could he know that? I don't have a frigging clue what my items do.

Who knows, but it is better to keep the wolves from counting on the item working and us finding out about it by killing a villager over a wolf. As for the wolves having it, I'm sure they do as the rules state the wolves get everything off of the dead.

[Commo_Soldier]

Originally Posted by dubb93

So which is it. Am I off my rocker crazy or am I a wolf?

At least off your rocker, and possibly a wolf. Not a has to be one or the other situation.

[Commo_Soldier]

And here the last few hours made it seem like this could be a boring deadline.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

At least off your rocker, and possibly a wolf. Not a has to be one or the other situation.

On a day where we have obvious wolves in sight to go out of your way to call me a possible wolf. I'm honored.

[Autumn]

All right, well Bug, this is for your fishy reveals today. Revealing only after EF claimed you were bad, and somehow pointing the finger at our bodyguard. I do wonder if they managed to figure out his role somehow, and knew the only way to kill him would be to lynch him. Or they just figured they'd fish for roles on Bug's way out.

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