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Old 09-03-2023, 06:08 AM   #2551
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I didn't know (or forgot) that former Hog OC Kendal Briles is now TCU's OC.
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Old 09-03-2023, 10:02 AM   #2552
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I have a hard time calling ethics when NIL money is everywhere and there are more players in Division I trying to transfer than could fill all the NFL rosters combined.

This. I don't know how, aside from willfull blindness, anyone can still claim ethics play a significant role in major college football at this point. It seems to me to be something that's mostly used as a bludgeon against coaches/programs we don't like ... we being whoever is doing the talking. There are some people who make good and admirable decisions, but I don't see much difference at all on the baseline level of 'what will you do to win'. Any successful coach should be assumed to be checking their ethics at the door, not because of anything against them personally, but because that's the business they are in. I'm not sure there's a profession which justifies more skepticism.

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I think he's the biggest fraud that the game has ever seen. I wouldn't trust that mfer to coach a pee wee team on Saturday morning at 830a. Literally the biggest example of all hat, zero cattle, to ever exist in the major sports world.

I think that's completely absurd based soley on his record at Jackson State. It's highly debatable how successful he'll be at Colorado, and if he is how much credit he should get for that, but the reasonable bar is a heck of a lot higher than this statement allows.

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Old 09-03-2023, 10:03 AM   #2553
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Wasn't quite sure what to think of Coastal's chances this year with the new head coach. They were down a point to UCLA after 3 which is encouraging to then give up 13 points in the 4th to lose 27-13.



They had no running game really no dominant runner and even McCall got held to negative yards on 11 carries. He went 27/41 for 270 yards but was sloppy for him with 2 INT and a lost fumble. Defense was not looking great at the beginning when UCLA went down the field for a TD on its first possession, then looked like they were going again on the second until they were intercepted in the end zone. That same safety had two more INT so that was encouraging. Still not sure what to think of this team until they get into Sun Belt teams.
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Old 09-03-2023, 10:53 AM   #2554
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I had a bunch of indoor projects to work on yesterday, so I had football on all day. Already getting very sick of the "the former Alabama WR" or "the transfer from Ohio St" or whatever. Did every player in college football transfer last year?
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Old 09-03-2023, 11:40 AM   #2555
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Huskies started a little slow but Penix really found his grove throwing 4 second quarter TDs and our stable of wide receivers could be the deepest in the country. This team is insanely talented. Going to be some really fun match ups this year. We get a true test in 2 weeks when we go to MSU.
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Old 09-03-2023, 04:56 PM   #2556
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I think that's completely absurd based soley on his record at Jackson State. .

Bluntly: Buy ( or con) enough players and you can win without coaching at that level. That's worth zero credibility afaic.
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Old 09-03-2023, 05:57 PM   #2557
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Bluntly: Buy ( or con) enough players and you can win without coaching at that level. That's worth zero credibility afaic.

If it was that easy everyone would do it....
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Old 09-03-2023, 06:26 PM   #2558
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If it was that easy everyone would do it....

I never said Sanders wasn't a good con man.
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Old 09-03-2023, 07:33 PM   #2559
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So he'd be a superstar car salesman but he's a POS because he has coach in front of his name?
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Old 09-03-2023, 07:40 PM   #2560
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First... LOL.

Second... I didn't stick around for the end of the game. What did I miss?

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Old 09-03-2023, 07:45 PM   #2561
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I'm rooting for Neon Deion. You may have good/great players but if your HD, OC, DC suck, it won't do any good (source: Texas A&M last year). Sat was a good start, let's see how the rest of season shakes out.

As far as bringing in the talent. I'm all for it just as long as it follows the rules and there is transparency. Not every school has a wealth of in-state HS football talent to recruit, not every school has HS 5* football players in their Top 3, not every school has big boosters that provided plausible deniability to the school etc.

So if a non-power like Colorado has to "buy" talent within the rules, I'm good as it just begins to even out the playing field.


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Old 09-03-2023, 07:58 PM   #2562
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So he'd be a superstar car salesman but he's a POS because he has coach in front of his name?

No, he's just a fraudulent "coach" that's a symptom of what's wrong with college football today.

Hey, they may go 12-0 and he's the greatest thing ever.
What I expect something like 6-6 or 5-7 and that being about the ceiling for a program under his "tutelage" if they play a schedule that's above HS level.
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Old 09-03-2023, 08:49 PM   #2563
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No, he's just a fraudulent "coach" that's a symptom of what's wrong with college football today.

Hey, they may go 12-0 and he's the greatest thing ever.
What I expect something like 6-6 or 5-7 and that being about the ceiling for a program under his "tutelage" if they play a schedule that's above HS level.

You realize the dumpster fire he took over? 6-6 would be a miracle in what is a really strong conference.

The dude is a hall of fame player, why would you think he can't coach?
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Old 09-03-2023, 09:06 PM   #2564
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You realize the dumpster fire he took over? 6-6 would be a miracle in what is a really strong conference.

The dude is a hall of fame player, why would you think he can't coach?

I didn't say 6-6 was a stepping stone, I said it was roughly the ceiling. Andhaving the 6th best roster (which is how they rate in 2023 after the retool) ought to provide more than .500. With him at the helm, I don't believe that'll be a thing.

Rarely do great players make great coaches. Different skill sets.
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Old 09-03-2023, 09:46 PM   #2565
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It is some how fitting that the Pac-12 is 13-0, the first time a conference has ever done that, right before it sold for scraps.

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Old 09-03-2023, 09:53 PM   #2566
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This LSU-FSU game has been fun.

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Old 09-03-2023, 10:06 PM   #2567
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Can we get this game over so I can enjoy what's left of my holiday weekend? I effing HATE the late game. Triply so with it being on Sunday.
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Old 09-03-2023, 10:15 PM   #2568
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Heck, this is the only time it is fine to have a late game on Sunday. I don't have to get up in the morning.

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Old 09-03-2023, 10:21 PM   #2569
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Yeah but you don't care who wins. I'll be up until 2am at least decompressing. And I'm up by 8am regardless.
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Old 09-03-2023, 10:27 PM   #2570
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I get that.
An we stop with playing interviews when action is on the field? That is the third time this weekend something big happened, but it was in a small box because of a needless interview.

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Old 09-03-2023, 10:34 PM   #2571
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That Camping World commercial. "Only $20 a day..." Only? That's an "only"? And for how long, exactly?

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Old 09-03-2023, 10:35 PM   #2572
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To be clear, I enjoy late games. Just not when I care who wins. I hate waiting all day, and I hate having to wait so long before I can calm down enough to go to sleep.

That said, regardless of how this game ends, FSU comes out looking pretty good, so I'm happy. LSU looks like a 10 win team. We got Clemson in 3 weeks.
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Old 09-03-2023, 10:38 PM   #2573
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I don't want to jinx anything for you, but you have to feel really good right now. LSU was at least a pretender for a title this year. They are many peoples pick to win the SEC West. This game has big "FSU is back " vibes.

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Old 09-03-2023, 10:44 PM   #2574
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8 minutes to go, it could still go to shit, but that 3 and out was something we rarely did last year to try to close out games. And we still won 10 games. So I'm... cautiously optimistic lol.
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Old 09-03-2023, 10:47 PM   #2575
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I just told my daughter Jaheim Bell needs another touch. That'll do!
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Old 09-03-2023, 10:48 PM   #2576
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That's your ballgame. Wow. Big win for FSU.

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Old 09-03-2023, 11:04 PM   #2577
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Unbelievable. LSU was on track for 585 yards and didn't even get 400 (although they'll probably get it in garbage time).
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Old 09-03-2023, 11:05 PM   #2578
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And there's my jinx lol. At least it's when it's a 30+ point game.
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Old 09-03-2023, 11:38 PM   #2579
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Old 09-04-2023, 08:29 AM   #2580
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Bluntly: Buy ( or con) enough players and you can win without coaching at that level. That's worth zero credibility afaic.

Getting quality talent in the program by any means necessary is arguably the most important skill a coach can have.
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Old 09-04-2023, 11:15 AM   #2581
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Old 09-04-2023, 03:02 PM   #2582
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Old 09-04-2023, 04:26 PM   #2583
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I was struggling to figure out who to root for in AL vs TX next week. I don't like either team.

But then figured my dislike for AL is more recent and am looking forward to TX and OU joining the SEC, so I'll root for TX.
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Old 09-04-2023, 05:35 PM   #2584
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I was struggling to figure out who to root for in AL vs TX next week. I don't like either team.

But then figured my dislike for AL is more recent and am looking forward to TX and OU joining the SEC, so I'll root for TX.

That's an easy Roll Tide for me. A healthy & thriving Bama is better for college football at the moment (and the most likely source of taking fucking UGAg back down a notch the fastest)
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Old 09-04-2023, 06:08 PM   #2585
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I'm in the uncomfortable position of having to root for Clemson tonight and all year since FSU's SOS might matter for the first time in nearly a decade.
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Old 09-04-2023, 06:53 PM   #2586
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Getting quality talent in the program by any means necessary is arguably the most important skill a coach can have.

Yup. Deion understands college football better than most. He understands it's the players that make you win, not the coaching.

You'd think more people would know this after seeing how elite college coach after elite college coach flamed out in the big leagues.
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Old 09-04-2023, 07:05 PM   #2587
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Yup. Deion understands college football better than most. He understands it's the players that make you win, not the coaching.

You'd think more people would know this after seeing how elite college coach after elite college coach flamed out in the big leagues.

Not lost on me that I have little to no actual interest in the NFL as anything other than pop culture, and haven't in years (wasn't that engaged as anything more than a time passing exercise even before it turned socio-political).

Players come, players go -- that's the traditional HS and college model -- it's how you manage those ebbs & flows that makes those games & programs interesting over the long term. Otherwise it's just the pro game that I don't really give two shits about.
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Old 09-04-2023, 07:46 PM   #2588
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Old 09-04-2023, 08:55 PM   #2589
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What a moronic play by the Duke punt returner.
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Old 09-04-2023, 08:56 PM   #2590
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Old 09-04-2023, 10:16 PM   #2591
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Oh dear me, the temperature in Clemson is liable to be awfully warm tomorrow.
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Old 09-04-2023, 10:41 PM   #2592
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Old 09-04-2023, 10:47 PM   #2593
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This season hasn't really even started and I'm already exhausted. My brain hurts.
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Old 09-04-2023, 10:50 PM   #2594
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Line up in the fn shotgun from the 1 yd line, you get what you deserve.
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Old 09-04-2023, 11:01 PM   #2595
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Ok, that was goofy. Targeting on a QB should have given a first down but they called it late hit meaning post-play, so turnover on downs
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Old 09-04-2023, 11:03 PM   #2596
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Ok, that was goofy. Targeting on a QB should have given a first down but they called it late hit meaning post-play, so turnover on downs

Yeah, that's, uh, an odd one.

I get it, in theory. Not sure I've ever once seen it called that way in my life.
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Old 09-04-2023, 11:04 PM   #2597
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Is that a new rule change? I've never seen it happen that way.
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Old 09-04-2023, 11:05 PM   #2598
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I think that the way they ruled it was once the QB started to slide, the play was over, so the turnover happens... then the late hit is called (and even if the slide wasn't called, the knee actually touched as well)
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I think that the way they ruled it was once the QB started to slide, the play was over, so the turnover happens... then the late hit is called (and even if the slide wasn't called, the knee actually touched as well)

Yeah, I get it. I don't even hate it honestly. But I don't recall ever seeing it adjudicated that way in college or high school (where I've seen more than one 4th down late hit call)
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Old 09-04-2023, 11:11 PM   #2600
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Yeah I can't say I've seen that either, but you need a play where the play is over and results in a turnover on downs. So for instance, on an incomplete pass, I'm guessing the hit happens before the ball is technically incomplete so it isn't adjudicated as post-play?

The most obvious equivalent would be a late hit OOB but in that case the runner would have to be short of the line to gain which ends the play, then the hit is post-play. You'd think we would have seen that before and remembered it if that's how it was called.
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