Werewolf: The Rebirth (Game Over! Thank you for playing)

[GoldenEagle]

Vote fontisian

[EagleFan]

Night 7 Results

A lot has happened overnight.

Chief Rum has been found murdered in cold blood. Next to his body lies a note "Viva La Resistance". Chief Rum was an ER nurse who had lost everything to tragedy and volunteered for this mission to get away from it all, ultimately that was achieved.

JAG has been found in a pool of blood. There was a mighty struggle and he fell victim to his attacker. There is a note left with him as well, Seek the Truth. JAG was a high school football coach that was fired because of deflating balls. He joined the mission to start over.

There has been an accident. Another trap has been set and britrock88 was caught in the trap. He has been injured but it will not affect his actions for day 8.

There is a new government structure as Shoveler is now Thomkal's right hand man.

There has been a loss to the police force and to the medical staff. New choices are coming.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by saldana

dola, and the cancellation was made by what would appear to be the irreplaceable leader that we aren't even allowed to disagree with or criticize unless or else other unknown mechanic will put us in jail...?

That's about it saldana, and its a mechanic I don't have full control over

[EagleFan]

Please no posting until I post the day 8 actions. There has been a lot to sort out.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by saldana

So what is the point in playing anymore if thomkal is just going to veto our votes.

vote fontisian

vote for her if you want, I was just letting you know that unless someone else had solid evidence on her there was no way I was going to have her lynched or imprisoned when she basically just turned the govt over to me and said she trusted me more than anybody else in the game.

And in light of her turning over the manifest information like many asked her to do, I have even less reason to see her go to trial. So by all means explain why she is guilty to you. But I will need more than your opinion, I will need proof.

[Thomkal]

oops sorry EF, cross posting, did not see until I posted

[EagleFan]

Day 8 Actions

Thomkal
- Can name another member to the police force (another colonist or move Shoveler from government to police force)

Colony
- Lynch vote; no more trials with the vote

Individuals
- Since you don't know who you can trust you may decide your own actions (explore the flatlands, explore the heat source, explore the unknown landing site); if you can decide on a group to go with in the thread, that may help keep you safe


Day 8 has begun, deadline is 10 PM EST Friday.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by saldana

So let me get this straight...We have been playing werewolf for a week without a lynch vote...We finally get to the point where we vote to lynch, it gets duked, and then unilaterally cancelled?!

[britrock88]

So, I'm not terribly hurt. I can either be treated or do work (explore the flatlands?) today.

[britrock88]

But geez, someone is coming after the police force, and hard.

[saldana]

uncork fontisian

[saldana]

hahahaha. Auto correct fail

unvote fontisian

[EagleFan]

Need to get some sleep. Will be on in the morning.

With the major changes that took place due to a couple events that triggered the change I guess we can now say to the new players...

Welcome to Werewolf

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by saldana

uncork fontisian

I never knew she was a bottle of wine

[Thomkal]

I too am heading off to bed (not with EF!), feel free to keep asking me questions, I'll catch up in the morning. Please do remember however that tomorrow I will likely be away a large chunk of the afternoon

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

That is very very cool and interesting ntn, thanks.
and the EMT is the only thing you know about yourself other than having your ID stolen?

And that I have more medical knowledge than an EMT technician usually has.

[DanGarion]

Well that was... Interesting...?

[Narcizo]

So these kills were both distinctly different to the earlier deaths. I suspect that a team of wolves has been "activated" while the lone murderer is still on the loose. I'm going to assume that the wolves were aware of each other, at least, yesterday so voting patterns are important. Still, two night kills is a bit of a worry. Targeting Chief and Jag suggests the wolves know what they're about as they're two of the strongest villagers in the game (I'd go as far as to say that Jag is the strongest). So Autumn better sleep with one eye open as he's next in-line.

Golden if you duke you really ought to duke to someone who was involved in the vote so we get information on voting-patterns. Duking to Font tells us very little.

Re the original murderer/saboteur - CF gets out of jail (if I remember correctly he got out today) and suddenly there's another trap attack? Dunno what to think about that. If CF was the murderer I would have thought he'd lay off the attacks for a day at least. But maybe he has a condition that he has to lay traps/attack if he is able. Someone ought to protect Britrock today if possible.

[Narcizo]

Day Seven

#2192 23:37 Thomkal votes Zinto (1)
#2267 13:08 Narcizo votes Crimson (1)
#2296 14:49 Suicane votes DanGarion (1)
#2317 15:13 Raven votes fontisian (1)
#2333 15:30 DanGarion votes DanGarion (2)
#2340 15:37 timmae votes DanGarion (3)
#2349 15:59 Shark votes Crimson (2)
#2365 16:37 timmae unvotes DanGarion (2)
#2367 16:40 timmae votes GoldenEagle (1)
#2374 16:57 saldana votes DanGarion (3)

#2391 17:38 Crimson votes Sharkn (1)
#2392 17:39 DanGarion unvotes DanGarion (2)
#2392 17:39 DanGarion votes Zinto (2)
#2402 17:52 Jackal votes GoldenEagle (2)
#2409 18:00 Shoveler votes GoldenEagle (3)
#2417 18:12 DanGarion unvotes Zinto (1)
#2417 18:12 DanGarion votes Crimson (3)
#2438 18:47 Fontisian votes DanGarion (3)
#2444 19:25 Grover votes GoldenEagle (4)
#2448 19:39 Autumn votes Crimson (4)
#2453 19:53 Ntndeacon votes GoldenEagle (5)
#2455 19:56 Chief Rum votes DanGarion (4)
#2458 20:06 JAG votes DanGarion (5)
#2459 20:10 Zinto votes Crimson (5)
#2480 20:56 Britrock votes Crimson (6)

#2487 21:16 Suicane unvotes DanGarion (4)
#2487 21:16 Suicane votes GoldenEagle (6)
#2501 21:40 Crimson unvotes Sharkn (0)
#2501 21:40 Crimson votes DanGarion (5)
#2513 21:47 GoldenEagle votes Crimson (7)
#2528 20:01 Crimson unvotes DanGarion (4)
#2528 20:01 Crimson votes GoldenEagle (7)
#2554 20:31 Thomkal unvotes Zinto (0)
#2554 20:31 Thomkal votes GoldenEagle (8)
#2563 20:36 Britrock unvotes Crimson (6)
#2563 20:36 Britrock votes GoldenEagle (9)
#2565 20:37 Saldana unvotes DanGarion (5)
#2563 20:37 Saldana votes GoldenEagle (10)

Final Vote

GoldenEagle 10 - timmae (2367), The Jackal (2402), Shoveler (2409), Grover (2444), ntndeacon (2453), Suicane75 (2487), CrimsonFox (2528), Thomkal (2554), britrock88 (2563), saldana (2565)
CrimsonFox 5 - Narcizo (2267), sharkn20 (2349), DanGarion (2417), Autumn (2448), Zinto (2459), GoldenEagle (2513)
DanGarion 3 - fontisian (2438), Chief Rum (2455), JAG (2458)
fontisian 1 - Raven (2317)

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Chief Rum has been found murdered in cold blood. Next to his body lies a note "Viva La Resistance". Chief Rum was an ER nurse who had lost everything to tragedy and volunteered for this mission to get away from it all, ultimately that was achieved.

JAG has been found in a pool of blood. There was a mighty struggle and he fell victim to his attacker. There is a note left with him as well, Seek the Truth. JAG was a high school football coach that was fired because of deflating balls. He joined the mission to start over.

Re-reading this I think Chief was hit by a standard night-action wolf attack while JAG was maybe some sort of one-off and not necessarily a standard wolf attack.

[Narcizo]

OK

I think we're looking at least one wolf who is experienced from werewolf on this site. I don't think Autumn targets both Chief and JAG though (presuming that the wolf team made both of the kills) as that leaves question marks about him if he survives.

Do we assume that the wolves knew their team mates from the start and knew that they were wolves. If we say yes to that then I really don't buy DanGarion as a wolf with the way he acted on day one. I can't imagine any wolf would act that way, it's guaranteed to get you looks and grief for absolutely no gain whatsoever.

I'm a bit concerned about Thomkal's unvote fail and then retraction. EF hadn't put up a list so it smacks a little bit of him being prompted that his vote is no good. Then again if he was a wolf he wouldn't have to worry about that as he could acquit the person (who would have to be Crimson or, more unlikely DanGarion, for it to matter). On the other, other hand he would be want to avoid having to acquit someone who later turned out to be a wolf. On the third other hand I don't really think that Crimson is the wolf.

I don't think Golden duking the vote automatically assures us that he's village. But I tend to think he is anyway.

JAG and Chief both going down makes me want to look at, oh, Zinto, Jackal or Britrock. I think it's safe to say that the attacker who took out JAG must be pretty strong.

[CrimsonFox]

So 2 people that died were both "good guys" that lost everything and were starting over like ntn.
Makes me want to look at the "bad guys" who committed crimes.
did brit say what he was?

also, we have 100 hp. I wonder if like each "wolf" did like a certain amount of damage and they all get to attack. Thus they did enough to kill jag and chief but not brit

[CrimsonFox]

wait did golden duke or did raven?

[CrimsonFox]

thom i'd like to apply to the police force. :P

[CrimsonFox]

oh brit got caught in a trap okay.
i guess that doesn't mean he is cleared.
maybe he was setting the trap? :P

[CrimsonFox]

don't we have like a PI and a cop? do you guys have like the ability to find clues and stuff?

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

wait did golden duke or did raven?

Golden said that he did. Of course it could be another wolf buddy who duked it.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

a) Autumn, Grover, Zinto, Shoveler, timmae, thomkal, Chief, fonti, Saldana, Dangarion
b) Autumn, Grover, Zinto, Shoveler, timmae, thomkal, fonti, Raven
c) I've gone off this idea because the list was too damn long.
d) Ntndeacon (offered to work on Schmidty), Grover (offered to build Biodome), Narc (kinda pushed to be on Science project), GE (wanted in on science project).

Gives
3) The Jackal
4) britrock88
5) Suicane75
12) JAG
17) Danny
21) SharkN20
22) CrimsonFox

So we can scratch Danny or JAG. That leaves me with Jackal, Brit, Suicane, Shark and Crimson. If we hypothesize that the wolves have been "activated" by mission control then the stowaway can't be a wolf and that let's Crimson off the hook. Leaving me with Jackal, Brit, Suican and Shark. As we all know Jackal is ALWAYS a wolf. He's played a game where he hasn't been UTR but hasn't really committed a whole lot either (admittedly I'm throwing stones in a glasshouse here but whatyagonnado)?

Vote The Jackal

[CrimsonFox]

i like the thought, narcizo, about the killer of chief and jag being a veteran

There seems to be a layer or two of this game that I really don't understand.
The Thomkal/font dynamic. I don't know what to make of it, not even what it is

[CrimsonFox]

i really think saldana is not the killer. I still don't even think I'll use "good team" and "bad team" cause this game...yes that's it...because "this game"

[Grover]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

i really think saldana is not the killer. I still don't even think I'll use "good team" and "bad team" cause this game...yes that's it...because "this game"

I think this is very murky.

Two murders last night that did not fit the M.O. of the original killer.

Another person trapped and injured. Our second person trapped. Is that our original killer? Very possibly.

A lot going on here.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Grover

I think this is very murky.

Two murders last night that did not fit the M.O. of the original killer.

Another person trapped and injured. Our second person trapped. Is that our original killer? Very possibly.

A lot going on here.

what? do you think there is conversion?

[Grover]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

what? do you think there is conversion?

Either that or that there are multiple factions working to kill each other without knowing who the others are? Is this even a possibility in a werewolf game?

Since I'm a total n00b, I don't know the ins and outs.

[timmae]

Ooof.... 2 wolves, a stowaway and a murderer walk out of the landing pod...

[timmae]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

don't we have like a PI and a cop? do you guys have like the ability to find clues and stuff?

I think our PI turned out to be a mobster who ghosted a construction job on the side.. Shoveler.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by timmae

I think our PI turned out to be a mobster who ghosted a construction job on the side.. Shoveler.

haha

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Grover

Either that or that there are multiple factions working to kill each other without knowing who the others are? Is this even a possibility in a werewolf game?

Since I'm a total n00b, I don't know the ins and outs.

I would say that the colour posts made by EF would suggest one wolf team with a lone saboteur role. Two wolf teams each with a night kill would be brutal. I'm currently hoping JAG's killing was a one-off power. I can't imagine that a villager would use a day-kill on JAG so it would be logical for it to be a wolf attack - unless someone had an ulterior motive in removing JAG.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Night 7 Results

A lot has happened overnight.

Chief Rum has been found murdered in cold blood. Next to his body lies a note "Viva La Resistance". Chief Rum was an ER nurse who had lost everything to tragedy and volunteered for this mission to get away from it all, ultimately that was achieved.

JAG has been found in a pool of blood. There was a mighty struggle and he fell victim to his attacker. There is a note left with him as well, Seek the Truth. JAG was a high school football coach that was fired because of deflating balls. He joined the mission to start over.

There has been an accident. Another trap has been set and britrock88 was caught in the trap. He has been injured but it will not affect his actions for day 8.

There is a new government structure as Shoveler is now Thomkal's right hand man.

There has been a loss to the police force and to the medical staff. New choices are coming.

Grover, conversions are in fact things in werewolf. They usually only occur the first two nights if any. Any more and they are too powerful. However the other thing is that sometimes mods use different descriptions of death which indicate specifically which murderer killed them if there are more than one. Like in Abe's Red Death game, EF was a werecrocodile and the write-ups all involved parts of people being eaten off. While Autumn and I were the shapeshifter and the mode of death was snapping their neck/breaking bones etc.

So The first two deaths were strangulation of wounded people. Now we have 2 people lying in their own blood. This could be the work of a specific other killer or maybe it is the gun. I think the crime scene might have to be investigated a little to find the cause of death if someone can do that.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

So 2 people that died were both "good guys" that lost everything and were starting over like ntn.
Makes me want to look at the "bad guys" who committed crimes.
did brit say what he was?

also, we have 100 hp. I wonder if like each "wolf" did like a certain amount of damage and they all get to attack. Thus they did enough to kill jag and chief but not brit

oops this is wrong. jag was not really a "good guy" as far as losing everything thorugh no fault of their own but one of the "criminals"
so hmm

[CrimsonFox]

incidently saldana, i understand your concerns now about thomkal's power. I cannot imagine there aren't other things in the game to balance that or cancel it out. death itself would cause a new leader thing i'm sure. maybe thom can appoint new peeps at whim whatever.

[Grover]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Grover, conversions are in fact things in werewolf. They usually only occur the first two nights if any. Any more and they are too powerful. However the other thing is that sometimes mods use different descriptions of death which indicate specifically which murderer killed them if there are more than one. Like in Abe's Red Death game, EF was a werecrocodile and the write-ups all involved parts of people being eaten off. While Autumn and I were the shapeshifter and the mode of death was snapping their neck/breaking bones etc.

So The first two deaths were strangulation of wounded people. Now we have 2 people lying in their own blood. This could be the work of a specific other killer or maybe it is the gun. I think the crime scene might have to be investigated a little to find the cause of death if someone can do that.

Right, but I am asking: is it possible there are the wolves and then a singular rogue killer that has no ties to the wolves and that the wolves don't know who the singular killer is and vice-versa.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

OK

I think we're looking at least one wolf who is experienced from werewolf on this site. I don't think Autumn targets both Chief and JAG though (presuming that the wolf team made both of the kills) as that leaves question marks about him if he survives.

Do we assume that the wolves knew their team mates from the start and knew that they were wolves. If we say yes to that then I really don't buy DanGarion as a wolf with the way he acted on day one. I can't imagine any wolf would act that way, it's guaranteed to get you looks and grief for absolutely no gain whatsoever.

I'm a bit concerned about Thomkal's unvote fail and then retraction. EF hadn't put up a list so it smacks a little bit of him being prompted that his vote is no good. Then again if he was a wolf he wouldn't have to worry about that as he could acquit the person (who would have to be Crimson or, more unlikely DanGarion, for it to matter). On the other, other hand he would be want to avoid having to acquit someone who later turned out to be a wolf. On the third other hand I don't really think that Crimson is the wolf.

I don't think Golden duking the vote automatically assures us that he's village. But I tend to think he is anyway.

JAG and Chief both going down makes me want to look at, oh, Zinto, Jackal or Britrock. I think it's safe to say that the attacker who took out JAG must be pretty strong.

Sometimes things have an easy explanation-even in WW Narcizo-the mod informed me that I had voted incorrectly (forgot to unvote first) and so I corrected my mistake. No conspiracy theories here my friend.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Grover

Right, but I am asking: is it possible there are the wolves and then a singular rogue killer that has no ties to the wolves and that the wolves don't know who the singular killer is and vice-versa.

Yes that's possible. There have been multiple groups of evils in games before. Sometimes that means multiple deaths and sometimes only one gets it. There are also one-shot kills as narcizo said. Those can be from either team.

there is a possibility the killers don't know each other and work independently too. But with the people killed I"m not a fan of this theory. I like the gun for being in a killer's hands and it gives them that extra kill.

Still I think the hit points enter into this too. I just got done with a game that was all about hit points. people took damage from votes as well as nightkill attempts.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Sometimes things have an easy explanation-even in WW Narcizo-the mod informed me that I had voted incorrectly (forgot to unvote first) and so I corrected my mistake. No conspiracy theories here my friend.

i confirm that as a very probable thing as I did the same thing and was similarly told I was a stupidhead.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by saldana

uncork fontisian

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN

[Grover]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Still I think the hit points enter into this too. I just got done with a game that was all about hit points. people took damage from votes as well as nightkill attempts.

Agreed. Like Thomkal said, I think our first killer can only prey on the weak. Hence the traps that deplete hit points.

[ntndeacon]

I assume that both kills were not by the same source. Or should I say all three attempts. Britrock's sounds like the saboteur who has struck before.

[Autumn]

I think we absolutely have a new group of "wolves", hte "resistance" to Thomkal's government. I assume that is a response to his taking over leadership and that they were simply players before. There are clearly characters with strong goals to be leaders, and I am guessing that some of those who have opposed Thomkal's form of government are the ones to look at for our new killers. we may be able to narrow down prospects by the fact that someone very tough managed to take on JAG, which suggests someone with a high physical score. Chief was probably easy to kill.

So I am looking for someone with a stake in who leads the government, or what kind of government it is, and someone who excels physically. that will be my vote today if I find it.

I think our original killer is still here, set the trap, and probably is unrelated to and ignorance of the resistance. Their motive is less clear and mayb eless of a worry for this lynch.

[Autumn]

It sounds like our police force can guard one person and investigate one person every night, so we are going to need that to come through for us. It is possible we will continue to have multiple kills a night, since having an elected position with special powers is very powerful for the village. So we are going to need our cops to come through.

I will work on Britrock today. I don't think I'd be great at exploring and i think it's a poor idea to risk any of our medical personnel anyway. We need to make sure not to have any wounded around for our saboteur.

[CrimsonFox]

was anyone in jail last night?