POTUS 2024 - Harris vs Trump - General Election Discussion

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Kyle Rittenhouse says he will not vote for Trump

When you've lost Rittenhouse you've lost the White House.

The world comes at you fast.....

Dear MAGA, and Kyle Rittenhouse, I hate messy breakups. I’m sorry to see you go through this.

Even Trump is upset. pic.twitter.com/kuvxriy5sW

— Agent Self (@AgentSelf99B) August 2, 2024

[albionmoonlight]

Congratulations to Kamala Harris, who just officially clinched the Democratic nomination. I was a bit nervous about an open convention, but it was the fair thing to do, and I'm glad the Dems did it the right way.

[Passacaglia]

Is that Trump tweet real? So much to unpack. He says Rittenhouse murdered more people than him?

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by Lathum

My therapist says people have to bottom out before they realize they need help. I view the modern GOP like that. Some guys have tried to rescue them from Trump, but until the party really bottoms out and starts overwhelmingly losing elections MAGA and the Trump stain will be a part of it.

The frame of reference that I always come back to was one of the most vocal and publicized family of defectors from Jonestown. Buried in their story was the fact that what drove them away had nothing to do with the delusional beliefs or actions/murders being carried out, it was seeing Jim Jones personally beat their daughter for 20 minutes...otherwise they probably would've happily stuck around and drank the flavoraid.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Is that Trump tweet real? So much to unpack. He says Rittenhouse murdered more people than him?

No, it's a parody.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

The frame of reference that I always come back to was one of the most vocal and publicized family of defectors from Jonestown. Buried in their story was the fact that what drove them away had nothing to do with the delusional beliefs or actions/murders being carried out, it was seeing Jim Jones personally beat their daughter for 20 minutes...otherwise they probably would've happily stuck around and drank the flavoraid.

If you ever get into cult-survivor stories, there is a lot of that. It will take something traumatic and major generally to get someone to leave, and it is amazing how often even after that they still sympathize with the cult/cult leader.

[GrantDawg]

VP Harris is starting to pack her team with former Obama strategist.

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

If you ever get into cult-survivor stories, there is a lot of that. It will take something traumatic and major generally to get someone to leave, and it is amazing how often even after that they still sympathize with the cult/cult leader.

Yeah, and most importantly I think it has to be personal. Watching someone else's kid get beat, or someone else's trauma, won't suffice, it has to effect them directly.

...all of which is to say I don't know if that's possible with this kind of political cult. They are too far removed from the leader to be directly and individually effected with that kind of trauma, and even if they were there's still enough distance and noise in the signal for the cult to spin at as someone else's fault.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Congratulations to Kamala Harris, who just officially clinched the Democratic nomination. I was a bit nervous about an open convention, but it was the fair thing to do, and I'm glad the Dems did it the right way.

lol you mean after they fucked it up in 2016? yeah

[GrantDawg]

This could be interesting. Big hitters in Congress pulling for Walz to be the pick.

House Democrats home in on Tim Walz as Kamala Harris VP choice

[RainMaker]

Walz is the best option. Keeps the party united and he's down-to-earth. Thought it would be Shapiro but a lot of the stuff coming out on him could bring trouble.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

Yeah, and most importantly I think it has to be personal. Watching someone else's kid get beat, or someone else's trauma, won't suffice, it has to effect them directly.

...all of which is to say I don't know if that's possible with this kind of political cult. They are too far removed from the leader to be directly and individually effected with that kind of trauma, and even if they were there's still enough distance and noise in the signal for the cult to spin at as someone else's fault.

The other difference here is that unlike cultists, who are typically cut off from family/friends and even the outside world, Trumpers are actually just the opposite - many of the most extreme are on social media and otherwise make their love of Trump well known. So there's the necessity of reforming an identity that's complicated by the fact that it's often a public persona, and it's hard for people to give that up because everyone knows what you were before.

I often think that's part of the reason we see people double down on stupidity over and over, because it's much easier psychologically to defend the indefensible than to admit you are wrong.

[RainMaker]

If you want to read some depressing stuff, check out this subreddit. Filled with people who's family members went down the QAnon road.


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[Passacaglia]

Suddenly, once Biden dropped out, all these VP hopefuls are out there campaigning. Feels like the longer the choice can be delayed, the better. Does that kill some of the momentum once a lot of these guys know they're not going to be VP?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Walz is the best option. Keeps the party united and he's down-to-earth. Thought it would be Shapiro but a lot of the stuff coming out on him could bring trouble.

Agreed. I was for Kelly earlier, but I don't think he is bulldog enough for what you want in VP candidate. He has a great pedigree, but not much bark. Shapiro's popularity in a must win state is nice, but I think he is going to be a huge negative distraction nationally. Walz has the ability to get mean, but he also has a disarming charm. I think he will play well in the Midwest and beyond.

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Suddenly, once Biden dropped out, all these VP hopefuls are out there campaigning. Feels like the longer the choice can be delayed, the better. Does that kill some of the momentum once a lot of these guys know they're not going to be VP?

I really do think you will see all of them on the campaign trail with whoever gets the VP nod next week. Most of them are probably looking at cabinet positions in a Harris White House.

[Lathum]

I still think we see state level politicians active on the trail because they know what a danger Trump is and they will be thinking about the down ballot races.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Agreed. I was for Kelly earlier, but I don't think he is bulldog enough for what you want in VP candidate. He has a great pedigree, but not much bark. Shapiro's popularity in a must win state is nice, but I think he is going to be a huge negative distraction nationally. Walz has the ability to get mean, but he also has a disarming charm. I think he will play well in the Midwest and beyond.

Walz has a really good story too. Grew up in a small rural town, went to smaller state schools, and was a high school teacher. He won a red House seat to get started, had opposed the Iraq War, and voted against bank bailouts. I think that will play incredibly well in the Midwest and lure some rural, working class voters. He's a pretty tough guy to attack and seems like someone both liberals and progressives like.

Shapiro is really good off the cuff and would be tough too. He's about as good as it gets for a politician in interviews and debates. But his past is going to be scrutinized much more and used against him. Just seems like a risk when the momentum is shifting in your favor and the vibes are good with the whole party. Democrats love fucking things up so I think he'll be chosen.

[GrantDawg]

Walz was also a Command Sergeant Major in the National Guard.

[RainMaker]

Have to vote for the guy who got degrees from the same school as Danny Woodhead and Adam Thielen.

[GrantDawg]

Holy crap! If this is true, people are getting fired.

LEAK: Philadelphia Mayor Cherelle Parker accidentally published this video ahead of schedule. She leaked Kamala Harris’ pick for Vice President as Josh Shapiro. pic.twitter.com/zRggINoFHB

— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) August 2, 2024

[RainMaker]

That sucks but Dems gonna Dem.

[GrantDawg]

It looks like it wasn't a leak, but a video made last week openly campaigning for Shapiro to get the job.


Edit: It is totally possible that the VP and her close staff might know who they are going to pick, but there is zero chance it has been told to anyone else including the eventual pick.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by Lathum

If this was the case Trump and the GOP wouldn’t be freaking out over the whole thing and they very much are.

Huh? Them freaking out has nothing to do with the points I made.

[albionmoonlight]

Kyle Rittenhouse was given proper reeducation. He now supports Dear Leader.

[JPhillips]

The Shapiro leak being a head fake would inspire a lot of confidence in Kamala's team.

[GrantDawg]

It wasn't a leak. It was made a week ago by the Philly mayor to campaign for Shapiro to be the pick. It had nothing to do with the Harris campaign. Someone put it out today as a "leak", but it had already been out for a week.

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[GrantDawg]

https://x.com/yashar/status/18195018...5_SElWTfw&s=19

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[larrymcg421]

The new attack angle seems to be comparing Kamala to ... Milli Vanilli.

[JPhillips]

WTF is up with RFK Jr? He picked up a road kill bear and dumped it in Central Park ten years ago.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

WTF is up with RFK Jr? He picked up a road kill bear and dumped it in Central Park ten years ago.

How much brain can a worm eat before it dies?

In a video he posted on X, Kennedy said he had come across the bear in the morning when he was going falconing; a woman in a van in front of him hit and killed the bear.

"So, I pulled over and I picked up the bear and put him in the back of my van because I was going to skin the bear, and it was in very good condition, and I was going to put the meat in my refrigerator," Kennedy said. "And you can do that in New York state. You can get a bear tag for roadkill bear."

[thesloppy]

My lord that sounds like bad comedy. "Cheryl! Cheryl! I got a dead bear in the car, I'm gonna skin it." but who hasn't done the same while engaged in some falconry?


The more I read about this the funnier it gets.

[Lathum]

My understanding is bear meat has a lot of parasites, would explain the brain worms.

[Ben E Lou]

What on earth made him think it was a good idea to share this story???

[GrantDawg]

RFK Jr.: I should drive past that dead bear

The worm in RFK Jr’s brain: Stage a bike accident pic.twitter.com/lsuzpcHH96

— Benjy Sarlin (@BenjySarlin) August 4, 2024

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

What on earth made him think it was a good idea to share this story???

Nothing on earth makes him think. The brain worm is from outer space. Duh.

[RainMaker]

It sounds like the New Yorker was going to run a story on it and he is trying to get ahead of it.

[Lathum]

At this point would Trump even want his endorsement? Would fit right in with the weird narrative.

[Edward64]

Nice summary of Kamala’s positions

What Kamala Harris has said so far on key issues in her campaign

[GrantDawg]

https://x.com/106th/status/182023388...3ACgQHlXA&s=19

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[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

x.com

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Apparently I'm among the unwashed who is unable to view the post from whoever you quoted here.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

x.com

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I can't view it. Whats the jist?

[Ksyrup]

Sounds like VP announcement tomorrow.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

RFK Jr.: I should drive past that dead bear

The worm in RFK Jr’s brain: Stage a bike accident pic.twitter.com/lsuzpcHH96

— Benjy Sarlin (@BenjySarlin) August 4, 2024

I know this is a joke, but it's also a more believable story. He knew his schedule before he picked up the bear and even if things didn't run long he wouldn't have had time to skin and butcher and freeze the bear prior to his flight. I expect the plan all along was to do something crazy with the dead bear. It's very on-brand for the guy that still behaves as if he's the untouchable prince at boarding school.

edit: I guess we should all be thankful that he or someone else didn't just fuck the bear for giggles.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

edit: I guess we should all be thankful that he or someone else didn't just fuck the bear for giggles.

To my knowledge JD Vance has not denied fucking that bear.

[Ksyrup]

I would expect either or both of them to deny it thusly:

I did not fuck that particular bear.

[Lathum]

Maga dopes downright gleeful the market is tanking. Really thinking about the middle class.

[bhlloy]

Rawdogging a dead bear is a great way to naturally build up your immune system

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I would expect either or both of them to deny it thusly:

I did not fuck that particular bear.

This needs a like button.

[stevew]

Wasn’t he approximately 62 years old at this moment?

[albionmoonlight]

PredictIt seems to think that it is either Shapiro or Walz. Everyone else's odds have gone way down.

I don't get the sense that that's based on anything real though. There's just a lot of people speculating about those two, and it seems like when that happens enough, people start to think that it's actual facts.

As always, those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.