WW XCIV Group Therapy - Game Over! - Page 53

Poli · 05-19-2009, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

There are a bunch of people, including me, who have been casting votes at Telle, putting her high on the distrust list, and likely to vote for her again. I don't see why we would assume the wolves wouldn't "let him live" just because he's likely to vote her.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

I still don't get why we aren't all assuming there are 4 wolves left. Danny made clear before the game that he needed 21 players to get ALL the roles in, and he added in an extra wolf role obviously with EagleFan's. Shouldn't we therefore be assuming there were 5 wolves? And that the ones remaining are all 4 revealed wolf roles?

+1 on both accounts. Bold emphasis is mine.

Autumn · 05-19-2009, 06:03 PM

This will be an interesting deadline. I'll be back in before it, I hope.

hoopsguy · 05-19-2009, 06:08 PM

I'm showing 5-5-3-1 on the votes right now through Post #2602:

5 Telle - Poli (2452), Clap (2467), MartinD (2558), PF (2590), Abe (2595)
5 Clap - Hoops (2476), Chief (2501), Autumn (2513), Telle (2587), MT (2598)
3 Saldana - Lathum (2481), Dubb (2509), Jackal (2593)
1 Lathum - Saldana (2494)

2452 Poli votes Telle 1-0
2467 Clap votes Telle 2-0
2472 Lathum votes Hoops 2-1 Telle over Hoops
2476 Hoops votes Clap 2-1-1 Telle over Hoops/Clap
2481 Lathum unvotes Hoops, votes Saldana 2-1-1 Telle over Clap/Saldana
2494 Saldana votes Lathum 2-1-1-1 Telle over Clap/Saldana/Lathum
2501 Chief votes Clap 2-2-1-1 Telle/Clap over Saldana/Lathum
2509 Dubb votes Saldana 2-2-2-1 Telle/Clap/Saldana over Lathum
2513 Autumn votes Clap 3-2-2-1 Clap over Telle/Saldana over Lathum
2521 Abe votes Hoops 3-2-2-1-1 Clap over Telle/Saldana over Lathum/Hoops
2558 MartinD votes Telle 3-3-2-1-1 Clap/Telle over Saldana over Lathum/Hoops
2587 Telle votes Clap 4-3-2-1-1 Clap over Telle over Saldana over Lathum/Hoops
2590 PF votes Telle 4-4-2-1-1 Clap/Telle over Saldana over Lathum/Hoops
2593 Jackal votes Saldana 4-4-3-1-1 Clap/Telle over Saldana over Lathum/Hoops
2595 Abe unvotes Hoops, votes telle 5-4-3-1 Telle over Clap over Saldana over Lathum
2598 MT votes Clap 5-5-3-1 Telle/Clap over Saldana over Lathum

saldana · 05-19-2009, 06:15 PM

i dont really like DTs move to tie it back up again, and since i need to make a play to try to get back in this game

unvote lathum
vote telle

Lathum · 05-19-2009, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

I wonder if Clap and Saldana are really going to the sewing class too, but just using other reasons as excuses.

Having been Saldana's best man I can assure you it is his wedding anniversiry.

hoopsguy · 05-19-2009, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana

i dont really like DTs move to tie it back up again, and since i need to make a play to try to get back in this game

unvote lathum
vote telle

Do you dislike it more based on "trust" for Clap or "distrust" for Telle?

Lathum · 05-19-2009, 06:43 PM

Unless there is some movement onto Saldana ( and not the anniversary type movement he is probably going to get from the Mrs.) I will probably switch over so I have a meaningfull vote.

I really wish people would consider him though, his voting record is terrible and it would also have been today. I feel he is switching because he realizes this

dubb93 · 05-19-2009, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

Unless there is some movement onto Saldana ( and not the anniversary type movement he is probably going to get from the Mrs.) I will probably switch over so I have a meaningfull vote.

I really wish people would consider him though, his voting record is terrible and it would also have been today. I feel he is switching because he realizes this

I'm going to hold for a little bit as well but I am in the same boat as you, I will consolidate on the two main candidates if it becomes obvious this is a two horse race.

The Jackal · 05-19-2009, 06:50 PM

Autumn does make a good point about how there were four revealed wolf roles before the game and one unlisted wolf role in EF.. you'd think the pre-revealed roles would all be in it. If there are four wolves left that's scary.

Lathum · 05-19-2009, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

Unless there is some movement onto Saldana ( and not the anniversary type movement he is probably going to get from the Mrs.) I will probably switch over so I have a meaningfull vote.

I really wish people would consider him though, his voting record is terrible and it would also have been today. I feel he is switching because he realizes this

when I say terrible I mean it would have been a total throwaway

The Jackal · 05-19-2009, 06:51 PM

At this point I'm more inclined to vote for clap than Telle if we're going to give up on sal, but I have very little to go on with either of them. I don't trust multiple people on each, hard to follow people either.

hoopsguy · 05-19-2009, 06:55 PM

Lathum, I think I would move to Saldana before Telle tonight. The only thing that gives me pause on that is that Poli seemed very set on getting Telle lynched today. Otherwise, I would jump to Saldana over Telle without much of a second thought.

hoopsguy · 05-19-2009, 07:01 PM

I'll be in and out over the last hour, so I'll try to move the vote near the end if it makes sense. My kid is now home, which means I won't have any big chunks of time to be reading the thread until after the deadline.

Lathum · 05-19-2009, 07:17 PM

Unvote Saldana
Vote Telle

dubb93 · 05-19-2009, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

Unvote Saldana
Vote Telle

Reason?

Chief Rum · 05-19-2009, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

And, don't just tell her about it. Show her. I'd suggest using your food to represent all the characters, or perhaps mold into a map of the dungeon.

Ooh ooh, I got dibs on the mashed potatoes.

dubb93 · 05-19-2009, 07:19 PM

I do think we learn more from a Telle lynch today than a Clap so I'm inclined to lean that way especially with Clap hinting he has a role and Poli's statements.

Danny · 05-19-2009, 07:23 PM

Votes as of post #2617:

7 - Telle - Poli (2452), claphamsa (2467), MartinD (2558), PackerFanatic (2590), Abe (2595), Saldana (2604), Lathum (2614)
5 - claphamsa - hoopsguy (2476), Chief Rum (2501), Autumn (2513), Telle (2587), DaddyTorgo (2598)
2 - saldana - dubb (2509), The Jackal (2593)

hoopsguy · 05-19-2009, 07:23 PM

Dubb, what do we learn from a Telle lynch today?

If we have villager/wolf at this stage we learn a lot either way. But what specifically do we pick up from Telle that we won't learn through others?

Lathum · 05-19-2009, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubb93

Reason?

I don't think a Saldana lynch is happening so I want a vote that means something.

dubb93 · 05-19-2009, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Dubb, what do we learn from a Telle lynch today?

If we have villager/wolf at this stage we learn a lot either way. But what specifically do we pick up from Telle that we won't learn through others?

She has had a run on her nearly every day. We unlock ALOT of voting history with a Telle lynch.

dubb93 · 05-19-2009, 07:29 PM

I think I'm going with Telle here.

Unvote Sal
Vote Telle

Danny · 05-19-2009, 07:30 PM

Votes as of post #2622:

8 - Telle - Poli (2452), claphamsa (2467), MartinD (2558), PackerFanatic (2590), Abe (2595), Saldana (2604), Lathum (2614), Dubb (2622)
5 - claphamsa - hoopsguy (2476), Chief Rum (2501), Autumn (2513), Telle (2587), DaddyTorgo (2598)
1 - saldana -The Jackal (2593)

Chief Rum · 05-19-2009, 07:31 PM

All right, I have considered the arguments, and I don't see a reason to move off of clap. But I am okay with Telle being lynched. I think the evidence to lynch her has been a bit overblown, at least with respect to what we know publically (those of you with access to private info through role play, that's your own biz, I don't have special info gathering powers), but there's no doubt she has made some questionable decisions. I just think there are others who have made more questionable decisions, like clap and saldana.

Chief Rum · 05-19-2009, 07:33 PM

With that, I am out until past deadline.

The Jackal · 05-19-2009, 07:35 PM

well hrm

The Jackal · 05-19-2009, 07:36 PM

unvote saldana

The Jackal · 05-19-2009, 07:36 PM

vote clap

hoopsguy · 05-19-2009, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubb93

She has had a run on her nearly every day. We unlock ALOT of voting history with a Telle lynch.

Which is awesome if she is a wolf. But I'm not as sold on it if is villager voting history.

I've seen a couple of people post today that they would prefer to vote "A" or "B" and not have Telle as one of their choices. So that makes me less inclined to vote for Telle. But right now I'm not in position to be able to help her.

Who knows, maybe the people I'm reading are wolves who would prefer not to vote for another wolf. But I don't think that is what I read.

hoopsguy · 05-19-2009, 07:40 PM

8-6 votes right now. With these two candidates, I'll stick on Clap for the duration.

Danny · 05-19-2009, 07:44 PM

Votes as of post #2630:

8 - Telle - Poli (2452), claphamsa (2467), MartinD (2558), PackerFanatic (2590), Abe (2595), Saldana (2604), Lathum (2614), Dubb (2622)
6 - claphamsa - hoopsguy (2476), Chief Rum (2501), Autumn (2513), Telle (2587), DaddyTorgo (2598), The Jackal (2628)

17 minutes until deadline

The Jackal · 05-19-2009, 07:44 PM

Hopefully no one pulls any bullcrap and ties this up.

hoopsguy · 05-19-2009, 07:44 PM

I'll almost certainly miss the last 5-10 minutes here. So whichever way this goes, hope it turns out well.

Poli · 05-19-2009, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Hopefully no one pulls any bullcrap and ties this up.

+++++1

DaddyTorgo · 05-19-2009, 07:52 PM

I only will get one go at this cuz of the phone-thing. imma unvote clap and vote telle. was only on clap to try to get movement really.

unvote clap
vote telle

Poli · 05-19-2009, 07:54 PM

I really like that vote, DT.

Autumn · 05-19-2009, 07:59 PM

I followed some hunches onto Clap, but since Telle has been high on my suspect list for a while, I don't mind seeing it go like this.

Poli · 05-19-2009, 08:00 PM

Call the flipping deadline already!

Danny · 05-19-2009, 08:01 PM

Deadline!

Poli · 05-19-2009, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

I followed some hunches onto Clap, but since Telle has been high on my suspect list for a while, I don't mind seeing it go like this.

I guess I missed the argument on clap. I'll revisit it tonight.

Danny · 05-19-2009, 08:03 PM

Final Vote Count

9 - Telle - Poli (2452), claphamsa (2467), MartinD (2558), PackerFanatic (2590), Abe (2595), Saldana (2604), Lathum (2614), Dubb (2622), DaddyTorgo (2635)
5 - claphamsa - hoopsguy (2476), Chief Rum (2501), Autumn (2513), Telle (2587), The Jackal (2628)

Danny · 05-19-2009, 08:04 PM

Once again Telle is under scrutiny for her saneness and is at the forefront of the discussion of being removed from the group. This time however, Saldana, Lathum, and DaddyTorgo go along with those who brought her back up and make sure she is voted out.

Telle stops her daydreaming about sewing and suddenly leaps out at Claphamsa and begins screaming at him and when he is on the verge of breaking down, he yells out that he doesn’t need this anymore and has a date to get to! Claphamsa runs out of the room and the building, never to be heard from again. Telle is then escorted out.

Telle was the screamer!

Claphamsa was the Teddy Bear!

The Screamer - If voted that you no longer need therapy you may scream at the top of your lungs in the face of one player and they will become overly emotional and leave therapy with you

The Teddy Bear - You are sweet and kind to all those around you. Your unwavering support allows you to pair up with one person each night and any attempt by the needies to get that person out of the group will fail. You also feel the need to share your support and can not pair up with the same person two nights in a row.

Alan T · 05-19-2009, 08:04 PM

*continues to delay Danny from posting the deadline results by sending him endless PMs*

Poli · 05-19-2009, 08:05 PM

Poli · 05-19-2009, 08:05 PM

YES YES YES

Poli · 05-19-2009, 08:07 PM

Poli · 05-19-2009, 08:08 PM

Autumn · 05-19-2009, 08:09 PM

Autumn · 05-19-2009, 08:11 PM

do we think the wolves knew that Clap was the teddy bear or got lucky. I think one of their roles has a chance to recognize the teddy bear, right?

Danny · 05-19-2009, 08:12 PM

There is no listed role for recognizing the teddy bear.

05-19-2009, 07:31 PM	#2624
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	All right, I have considered the arguments, and I don't see a reason to move off of clap. But I am okay with Telle being lynched. I think the evidence to lynch her has been a bit overblown, at least with respect to what we know publically (those of you with access to private info through role play, that's your own biz, I don't have special info gathering powers), but there's no doubt she has made some questionable decisions. I just think there are others who have made more questionable decisions, like clap and saldana. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

05-19-2009, 07:33 PM	#2625
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	With that, I am out until past deadline. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

05-19-2009, 07:52 PM	#2635
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	I only will get one go at this cuz of the phone-thing. imma unvote clap and vote telle. was only on clap to try to get movement really. unvote clap vote telle __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

05-19-2009, 07:54 PM	#2636
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I really like that vote, DT. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

05-19-2009, 08:00 PM	#2638
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Call the flipping deadline already! __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

05-19-2009, 06:03 PM	#2602
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	This will be an interesting deadline. I'll be back in before it, I hope.

05-19-2009, 06:08 PM	#2603
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm showing 5-5-3-1 on the votes right now through Post #2602: 5 Telle - Poli (2452), Clap (2467), MartinD (2558), PF (2590), Abe (2595) 5 Clap - Hoops (2476), Chief (2501), Autumn (2513), Telle (2587), MT (2598) 3 Saldana - Lathum (2481), Dubb (2509), Jackal (2593) 1 Lathum - Saldana (2494) 2452 Poli votes Telle 1-0 2467 Clap votes Telle 2-0 2472 Lathum votes Hoops 2-1 Telle over Hoops 2476 Hoops votes Clap 2-1-1 Telle over Hoops/Clap 2481 Lathum unvotes Hoops, votes Saldana 2-1-1 Telle over Clap/Saldana 2494 Saldana votes Lathum 2-1-1-1 Telle over Clap/Saldana/Lathum 2501 Chief votes Clap 2-2-1-1 Telle/Clap over Saldana/Lathum 2509 Dubb votes Saldana 2-2-2-1 Telle/Clap/Saldana over Lathum 2513 Autumn votes Clap 3-2-2-1 Clap over Telle/Saldana over Lathum 2521 Abe votes Hoops 3-2-2-1-1 Clap over Telle/Saldana over Lathum/Hoops 2558 MartinD votes Telle 3-3-2-1-1 Clap/Telle over Saldana over Lathum/Hoops 2587 Telle votes Clap 4-3-2-1-1 Clap over Telle over Saldana over Lathum/Hoops 2590 PF votes Telle 4-4-2-1-1 Clap/Telle over Saldana over Lathum/Hoops 2593 Jackal votes Saldana 4-4-3-1-1 Clap/Telle over Saldana over Lathum/Hoops 2595 Abe unvotes Hoops, votes telle 5-4-3-1 Telle over Clap over Saldana over Lathum 2598 MT votes Clap 5-5-3-1 Telle/Clap over Saldana over Lathum

05-19-2009, 06:15 PM	#2604
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	i dont really like DTs move to tie it back up again, and since i need to make a play to try to get back in this game unvote lathum vote telle

05-19-2009, 06:43 PM	#2607
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Unless there is some movement onto Saldana ( and not the anniversary type movement he is probably going to get from the Mrs.) I will probably switch over so I have a meaningfull vote. I really wish people would consider him though, his voting record is terrible and it would also have been today. I feel he is switching because he realizes this

05-19-2009, 06:50 PM	#2609
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Autumn does make a good point about how there were four revealed wolf roles before the game and one unlisted wolf role in EF.. you'd think the pre-revealed roles would all be in it. If there are four wolves left that's scary.

05-19-2009, 06:51 PM	#2611
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	At this point I'm more inclined to vote for clap than Telle if we're going to give up on sal, but I have very little to go on with either of them. I don't trust multiple people on each, hard to follow people either.

05-19-2009, 06:55 PM	#2612
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Lathum, I think I would move to Saldana before Telle tonight. The only thing that gives me pause on that is that Poli seemed very set on getting Telle lynched today. Otherwise, I would jump to Saldana over Telle without much of a second thought.

05-19-2009, 07:01 PM	#2613
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'll be in and out over the last hour, so I'll try to move the vote near the end if it makes sense. My kid is now home, which means I won't have any big chunks of time to be reading the thread until after the deadline.

05-19-2009, 07:17 PM	#2614
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Unvote Saldana Vote Telle

05-19-2009, 07:23 PM	#2618
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Votes as of post #2617: 7 - Telle - Poli (2452), claphamsa (2467), MartinD (2558), PackerFanatic (2590), Abe (2595), Saldana (2604), Lathum (2614) 5 - claphamsa - hoopsguy (2476), Chief Rum (2501), Autumn (2513), Telle (2587), DaddyTorgo (2598) 2 - saldana - dubb (2509), The Jackal (2593)

05-19-2009, 07:23 PM	#2619
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Dubb, what do we learn from a Telle lynch today? If we have villager/wolf at this stage we learn a lot either way. But what specifically do we pick up from Telle that we won't learn through others?

05-19-2009, 07:30 PM	#2623
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Votes as of post #2622: 8 - Telle - Poli (2452), claphamsa (2467), MartinD (2558), PackerFanatic (2590), Abe (2595), Saldana (2604), Lathum (2614), Dubb (2622) 5 - claphamsa - hoopsguy (2476), Chief Rum (2501), Autumn (2513), Telle (2587), DaddyTorgo (2598) 1 - saldana -The Jackal (2593)

05-19-2009, 07:35 PM	#2626
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	well hrm

05-19-2009, 07:36 PM	#2627
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	unvote saldana

05-19-2009, 07:36 PM	#2628
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	vote clap

05-19-2009, 07:40 PM	#2630
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	8-6 votes right now. With these two candidates, I'll stick on Clap for the duration.

05-19-2009, 07:44 PM	#2631
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Votes as of post #2630: 8 - Telle - Poli (2452), claphamsa (2467), MartinD (2558), PackerFanatic (2590), Abe (2595), Saldana (2604), Lathum (2614), Dubb (2622) 6 - claphamsa - hoopsguy (2476), Chief Rum (2501), Autumn (2513), Telle (2587), DaddyTorgo (2598), The Jackal (2628) 17 minutes until deadline

05-19-2009, 07:44 PM	#2632
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Hopefully no one pulls any bullcrap and ties this up.

05-19-2009, 07:44 PM	#2633
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'll almost certainly miss the last 5-10 minutes here. So whichever way this goes, hope it turns out well.

05-19-2009, 07:59 PM	#2637
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I followed some hunches onto Clap, but since Telle has been high on my suspect list for a while, I don't mind seeing it go like this.

05-19-2009, 08:01 PM	#2639
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Deadline!

05-19-2009, 08:03 PM	#2641
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Final Vote Count 9 - Telle - Poli (2452), claphamsa (2467), MartinD (2558), PackerFanatic (2590), Abe (2595), Saldana (2604), Lathum (2614), Dubb (2622), DaddyTorgo (2635) 5 - claphamsa - hoopsguy (2476), Chief Rum (2501), Autumn (2513), Telle (2587), The Jackal (2628)

05-19-2009, 08:04 PM	#2642
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Once again Telle is under scrutiny for her saneness and is at the forefront of the discussion of being removed from the group. This time however, Saldana, Lathum, and DaddyTorgo go along with those who brought her back up and make sure she is voted out. Telle stops her daydreaming about sewing and suddenly leaps out at Claphamsa and begins screaming at him and when he is on the verge of breaking down, he yells out that he doesn’t need this anymore and has a date to get to! Claphamsa runs out of the room and the building, never to be heard from again. Telle is then escorted out. Telle was the screamer! Claphamsa was the Teddy Bear! The Screamer - If voted that you no longer need therapy you may scream at the top of your lungs in the face of one player and they will become overly emotional and leave therapy with you The Teddy Bear - You are sweet and kind to all those around you. Your unwavering support allows you to pair up with one person each night and any attempt by the needies to get that person out of the group will fail. You also feel the need to share your support and can not pair up with the same person two nights in a row.

05-19-2009, 08:04 PM	#2643
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	continues to delay Danny from posting the deadline results by sending him endless PMs __________________ Couch to ??k - From the couch to a Marathon in roughly 18 months.

05-19-2009, 08:05 PM	#2644
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	YES! __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

05-19-2009, 08:05 PM	#2645
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	YES YES YES __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

05-19-2009, 08:07 PM	#2646
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	__________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

05-19-2009, 08:08 PM	#2647
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	__________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

05-19-2009, 08:09 PM	#2648
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Wow.

05-19-2009, 08:11 PM	#2649
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	do we think the wolves knew that Clap was the teddy bear or got lucky. I think one of their roles has a chance to recognize the teddy bear, right?