03-10-2020, 07:44 PM | #2651 | |
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03-10-2020, 07:49 PM | #2652 |
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I'm surprised they're not calling Michigan yet. Biden is up by 8 pts without any votes from Wayne County. The county by county results look awful for Sanders so far. Just looking at a couple of the big counties he won last time...
Kent County - 2016: Bernie 62, Clinton 37 2020: Bernie 51, Biden 46 Kalamazoo County - 2016: Bernie 61, Clinton 38 2020: Bernie 48, Biden 48
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03-10-2020, 08:01 PM | #2653 | |
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Yeah, but Im not a GOP guy either. So, I dont qualify for that. I guess when the dems realize that beating Trump is not as important as getting a young, dynamic candidate that actually speaks to the young and middle class, then they will not win a presidential election.
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03-10-2020, 08:06 PM | #2654 | |
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CBS has projected Michigan for Biden
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03-10-2020, 08:09 PM | #2655 |
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Looks like just about everyone has called Michigan now. Sanders is done.
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03-10-2020, 08:11 PM | #2656 |
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Michigan called for Biden. It’s over. What a turnaround.
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03-10-2020, 08:11 PM | #2657 | |
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So, you'd rather have 4 more years of Trump?
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03-10-2020, 08:13 PM | #2658 |
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You really think the dem party didnt want Biden to win from the beginning? This party is so delusional. Wake up. I still have no clue how Obama won except for the fact he was young and dynamic and, of course, black. Terrible party.
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03-10-2020, 08:16 PM | #2659 | |
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What exactly should we be waking up to?
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03-10-2020, 08:25 PM | #2660 |
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Tulsi Gabbard, Pete Butteige, Andrew yang. Yep, Thats a lot more appealing than brain deficit Joe. You go Dems. Throw out another loser. If you really think Biden beats Trump you are as delusional as the party that thought Mondale or Dujkakis would win.
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03-10-2020, 08:28 PM | #2661 |
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And before you start ripping, dont tell me a democratic national party behind a young, dynamic candidate cant win, see Barack Obama.
Dude won twice with a muslim sounding name in an era of muslim hate. Dont tell me it cant happen.
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03-10-2020, 08:28 PM | #2662 | |
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Tulsi is a republican. Why the hell would dems vote for her? Neither Buttigieg nor Yang are coming close to beating Trump in the general. In order win an election you need your own party to turn out. None of those 3 are getting people out to vote. For all his faults, and my own doubts earlier, Biden has turned things around and is getting massive support and high turnout. |
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03-10-2020, 08:28 PM | #2663 |
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I want the Dems to get younger, but dear God not those three.
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03-10-2020, 08:35 PM | #2664 |
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So you throw out a 70 year old dude with cognitive issues and you expect him to beat Trump?
But Gabbard, Yang or Mayor Pete with the full support of the dem party have no chance? Again, see Barack Obama. Why has this party fallen so far away from Obama? Is it the HRC effect? Is the party that gun shy now?
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03-10-2020, 08:37 PM | #2665 |
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03-10-2020, 08:39 PM | #2666 |
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03-10-2020, 08:44 PM | #2667 |
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Andrew Yang just endorsed Joe Biden.
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03-10-2020, 08:46 PM | #2668 |
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At least Elizabeth Warren is holding back. I know she will endorse Biden.
What a party of sheep. BAAAAAAA-den
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03-10-2020, 08:51 PM | #2669 | |
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None of them did well with black voters who are a major portion of the party. If you can't win black votes in the primary you probably can't win in the general.
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03-10-2020, 08:53 PM | #2670 |
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Of course they'll endorse Biden. They don't want to see Trump re-elected. If Bernie, Yang, Warren or Pete's ideas had resonated they'd have beaten Biden. They didn't so it's time for Bernie to drop out and endorse the nominee.
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03-10-2020, 08:55 PM | #2671 | |
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The 2020 Democratic Primary has shown remarkable turnout in the last few weeks... And the beneficiary of that amazing turnout is Joe Biden. Partially he has not only gained major endorsements but was able to deploy them at the exact right moment. It's been quite impressive, tbh. Perhaps folks underestimated the politician Biden is? Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk
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03-10-2020, 08:55 PM | #2672 | |
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As Bernie is finding out. But I find it hard to believe that if the party did not throw their weight behind one of those I mentioned, the Black vote would not fall in line. Nominating Baaaa-din is the dems conceding the 2020 election to Trump. The only hope in this strategy is picking up senate and congressional seats.
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03-10-2020, 08:55 PM | #2673 |
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03-10-2020, 08:58 PM | #2674 | |
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Nice spin. I sure didnt see a candidate stuttering in 1988. In fact, I saw a vibrant, exciting candidate, with a gift of speech. Spin it how you want. Baaaa-den is old and tired. He is the dems version of the white flag.
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03-10-2020, 09:02 PM | #2675 | |
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Can you please explain with your infinite wisdom how the other candidates have a better path to the presidency?
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03-10-2020, 09:05 PM | #2676 | |
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Black voters have agency. It's insulting to imply they vote however the party leaders tell them to.
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03-10-2020, 09:06 PM | #2677 | |
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All I can say is Barack Obama. At this point iis 2008 tell me his path. Youth and vibrance is what excites the group of voters the Dems need to vote. Throwing out an old, white dude is way worse than throwing out an old white chick. And you saw how that went.
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03-10-2020, 09:07 PM | #2678 |
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Hillary Clinton is hovering around 6-7% to win the nomination on PredictIt, having actually gone up a couple of percentage points tonight.
I understand there being some value in an Establishment candidate that isn't Biden on the idea that he might win the majority of delegates but then get sick or something before the convention. I imagine in that situation, there really would be a vape-filled room where the DNC powers that be pick a nominee. But is Hillary Clinton really the person that would benefit from that? I mean, if tonight showed us anything, it is that a lot of what we thought was Bernie support in 2016 was really just Hillary hatred. And, if your play really is anti-Biden, why not just buy shares of No on Biden instead of trying to hit the right anti-Biden? Basically, who the hell are all these people buying Hillary Clinton at 7% likely to win the Dem nomination? Last edited by albionmoonlight : 03-10-2020 at 09:14 PM. |
03-10-2020, 09:08 PM | #2679 | |
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You're right, an old white dude could never win the presidency
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03-10-2020, 09:13 PM | #2680 | |
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Not on the Dems side. When was the last time an old white dude won for them? FDR? ' Is the dem party that focused on beating Trump that they forgot what their party stands for? The best candidates that the dems throw up are very outgoing, exciting candidates that get the party out. Not old people that stumble around. My lord, this party is a mess. The dems keep telling us how the GOP is in shambles, but at least they are behind a guy that is working and is getting people out to vote for them
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03-10-2020, 09:16 PM | #2681 | |
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They don't necessarily think Clinton has any chance to get the nomination, they just think her number will go up from 7% when Bernie drops out. Everybody who bought Clinton at 3% or lower before yesterday bet on the dynamic correctly. And if you follow predictit and have seen her hanging around there forever, it was a solid bet. The underlying concept of it is harder to define, but, there is a small but significant minority of people who just think the Clintons run the party and that she'll be the nominee somehow. I don't know how signficant that opinion really is, but the important thing is how many predictit bettors think it's a thing, and many of them do. Last edited by molson : 03-10-2020 at 09:19 PM. |
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03-10-2020, 09:16 PM | #2682 | |
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Are you paying attention to voter turnout or just making assumptions? Biden is getting the party out to vote. |
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03-10-2020, 09:18 PM | #2683 | |
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You still didn't answer the question, which other candidate has a better path to the presidency?
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03-10-2020, 09:19 PM | #2684 | |
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Yeah, keep drinking the kool-aid,. Who they throwing up in 2024? I cant wait for that election. 2 parties with no leading candidates. That one will be fun. Enjoy bitching about Trump for 4 more years.
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03-10-2020, 09:19 PM | #2685 |
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What we have learned:
1. Bernie had the ceiling that many expected. The dislike of Hillary made him look way stronger than he actually was. 2. People are craving normalcy. Biden is getting big turn-out for just being stable. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Last edited by GrantDawg : 03-10-2020 at 09:21 PM. |
03-10-2020, 09:22 PM | #2686 | |
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Again, Biden has been driving record turnout in primaries.
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03-10-2020, 09:25 PM | #2688 | |
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You say Biden can't turn voters out but, The last time Texas had more Dems vote in the primary than Republicans was 2008. It happened again this year. Virginia had twice as many dems vote in the primary this year than 2016. Dem turnout in NC was up 17% over 2016. Colorado, Maine, Minnesota, and Utah saw Dem voting up. Your argument is people aren't excited to vote for Biden, but voter turn out is up considerably over 2016 and matching 2008 levels in some states. How can that be seen as anything but a positive for Biden? I was down on Biden's chances throughout this thread, but I'm also not going to ignore all evidence to the contrary. |
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03-10-2020, 09:25 PM | #2689 |
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Sanders will not be speaking tonight. That is very unusual.
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03-10-2020, 09:26 PM | #2691 |
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Does it matter as long as Trump loses?
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03-10-2020, 09:29 PM | #2692 |
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But he didnt stumble while giving them in 1988.
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03-10-2020, 09:30 PM | #2693 | |
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Yup, this is me. Just want to go back to the "good old days" for at least 4 years. He's not a sure thing against Trump but it's time to coalesce and support him. The 2 things I'm worried about is (1) debate performance (2) Hunter exposure. He does need to get a younger VP to position for 2024. |
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03-10-2020, 09:32 PM | #2694 |
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WHo cares? The point now is that they aren't turning out for anyone else.
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03-10-2020, 09:35 PM | #2695 | |
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Trumps base will not vote in the primary. And he scored 10k more voters in this MO primary. Wait until the general. It will be the same story as 2016. Trump will win again, He knows what it takes to win Maybe the dems are counting on Bidens look of incompetence. Trump looks like a shoo-in , so his rural voters stay home
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03-10-2020, 09:56 PM | #2696 |
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That would not be a good play. The ground game, especially in those rural areas, this time around is so far ahead of last cycle it's not even comparable. I remember presidents back to Nixon pretty clearly and I don't know that I've seen anyone with a more fervent base in the rural areas I know so well. At this risk of offering good advice to the enemy, I'd say another tactic would be advisable cause the one you mentioned absolutely will not fly.
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03-10-2020, 10:01 PM | #2697 |
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Good Biden "victory" speech. Keep it up.
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03-10-2020, 10:11 PM | #2698 | |
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Yang, Tulsi, and Buttigieg weren't competitive in the dem primary but you feel they would get a higher turnout than Biden and they know what it takes to win? It's funny because Yang and Tulsi are popular with GOP voters that don't like Trump, but have very little support from the party they tried to get the nomination from. Tulsi, in particular, is somewhat popular with moderate Fox News viewers and the military. Neither one is an actual democrat though. Tulsi is a republican and Yang is kind of all over the place. Trump may very well win in November, but it's not going to be because Biden doesn't turn out voters. Sanders can't even get the same voters that supported him in 2016 out to vote in this primary. Last edited by Atocep : 03-10-2020 at 10:11 PM. |
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03-10-2020, 10:29 PM | #2699 |
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re: rural voters showing up in November
There were almost as many ballots cast in the virtually uncontested GOP primary in MS today as there were in the (hypothetically) competitive (D) primary. Trump wins Republican presidential primary in Mississippi
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I'd love to hear what makes Tulsi a Republican. Have you actually seen where she stands on the issues? She's popular with some of the Fox News crowd because she's an anti-war isolationist that trashes the media. Her foreign policy is basically what most Democrats were before Obama took office. |
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