Official 2009-10 College Basketball Thread

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Can you imagine howgood the prestige of the PAC would be with a school with the prestige of a Baylor or a Texas or an Oklahoma?

Umm ....

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Sorry, Bug, not sure I understand you here. Could you clarify?

Sarcasm

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Sarcasm

No, I mean, I literally couldn't make sense of your sentence, sarcasm or not. Are you saying, sarcastically, wow, imagine the prestige the PAC would have if it added such prestigeous schools as Baylor, Oklahoma and Texas?

Personally, I wouldn't shrug at any of those teams. Baylor would probably be an also-ran in the PAC (and especially if Drew left), but Oklahoma has a solid program, and Texas is one of the better programs in the NCAA. The Pac-10 is good--but it could still plenty use a program like Texas among its better teams, and Oklahoma wouldn't be turned away either (and that's basketball, I'm not even touching football).

If you're trying to scoff at Mizzou_BBall's fandom of the Big 12, you would probably be better off bringing up an Iowa State, Nebraska or a Colorado.

[MrBug708]

I edited a bit after I re-read it. I was typing from my phone while driving so it didn't come out as good as it I wanted it to, so for that I apologize.

The group of sentences was what I was trying to go for

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by the_meanstrosity

The argument is whether or not Oregon is in a better hiring situation than Missouri and they are. That doesn't mean they'll get a better coach out of it though.

They're in a better position because they can hire questionable options that Mizzou didn't want to move on? Interesting tangent. Makes no sense, but interesting.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I edited a bit after I re-read it. I was typing from my phone while driving so it didn't come out as good as it I wanted it to, so for that I apologize.

The group of sentences was what I was trying to go for

Usually a poor decision maker or just today?

Had a kid at my former fraternity killed by an idiot who had to text while driving. Might not want to make that mistake.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Rumors on KU message boards that X. Henry will announce he's going pro very soon. No surprise, but looks like he'll make it official soon.

[MrBug708]

k

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Usually a poor decision maker or just today?

Had a kid at my former fraternity killed by an idiot who had to text while driving. Might not want to make that mistake.

I make it a habit of doing illegal things.

I appreciate your concern though, I suppose you don't speed either?

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

They're in a better position because they can hire questionable options that Mizzou didn't want to move on? Interesting tangent. Makes no sense, but interesting.

Hiring Huggins would've been questionable and made no sense? Only because of what Snyder had done - if Mizzou had been in a position where they could've afforded to weather criticism over hiring Huggins, they would've been better off. Huggins is a clearly superior coach to Anderson.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Hiring Huggins would've been questionable and made no sense? Only because of what Snyder had done - if Mizzou had been in a position where they could've afforded to weather criticism over hiring Huggins, they would've been better off. Huggins is a clearly superior coach to Anderson.

But we don't have the option of considering that argument. Because we know that he wasn't an option and even if he had been hired, he would have left quickly for WVU and would have hurt the university overall.

The best thing for Mizzou was to have a coach bring respect and continuity back to Mizzou. Anderson has done both of those and given what was know now concerning Huggins, Anderson was clearly the best hire.

[Emmett13]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

k

I make it a habit of doing illegal things.

I appreciate your concern though, I suppose you don't speed either?

I Don't see how those are comparable.

[Scoobz0202]

Which one isn't dangerous?

[Emmett13]

One is much more dangerous, and let's face it a big chunk of drivers are speeding all at the same time.

The other is diverting your attention away from what you should be doing.

[Scoobz0202]

Originally Posted by Emmett13

One is much more dangerous, and let's face it a big chunk of drivers are speeding all at the same time.

The other is diverting your attention away from what you should be doing.

The second part is correct. Unless your a master texter like me and can do it without look at your phone


But the first part... C'mon now.

[Emmett13]

Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

The second part is correct. Unless your a master texter like me and can do it without look at your phone


But the first part... C'mon now.

You don't think a good percentage of drivers are going over the speed limit? Even if it's 5-10 miles an hour? And I think texting while driving, if you're looking down at your phone is much more dangerous than going over the speed limit. (Unless we're talking about going 90 in a 60 or something).

[Scoobz0202]

I really don't know what percentage of drivers are, and wouldn't even hazard a guess.

I took the way you said it to mean that it's not as dangerous because if most people are speeding this it's kind of not speeding since they are all traveling the same general speed. Maybe I am putting words in your mouth.

[panerd]

Wrong thread. Stupid argument on both MBBF and Mr. Bug's part. While MBBF may actually have personal experience with someone dying in a text-lated crash Mr. Bug's post was obviously went as nothing more than a humorous anecdote. MBBF decided to commit on this post to continue the fight. Mr. Bug should have just let it go. (It's the college thread and nobody listens to what MBBF says anyways). Let's not continue this nonsense with a side argument over texting vs. speeding. Start another thread if you wish to rehash this for the thousandth time.

[Scoobz0202]

Good point. Kinda forgot what the original thread was which is always a bad thing.

Carry on.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by panerd

Wrong thread. Stupid argument on both MBBF and Mr. Bug's part. While MBBF may actually have personal experience with someone dying in a text-lated crash Mr. Bug's post was obviously went as nothing more than a humorous anecdote. MBBF decided to commit on this post to continue the fight. Mr. Bug should have just let it go. (It's the college thread and nobody listens to what MBBF says anyways). Let's not continue this nonsense with a side argument over texting vs. speeding. Start another thread if you wish to rehash this for the thousandth time.

You and I have a difference of opinion on what constitutes a humorous anecdote.

[the_meanstrosity]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

But we don't have the option of considering that argument. Because we know that he wasn't an option and even if he had been hired, he would have left quickly for WVU and would have hurt the university overall.

The best thing for Mizzou was to have a coach bring respect and continuity back to Mizzou. Anderson has done both of those and given what was know now concerning Huggins, Anderson was clearly the best hire.

Again, the argument is that Oregon is in a better place currently than Missouri was when they made their Mike Anderson hire. Not a year later when Huggins would leave for West Virginia. I honestly don't understand what is so hard to understand about this. Right now, Oregon can hire the best available option with no limitations...unlike Missouri when they were hiring Mike Anderson. Missouri wasn't allowed to hire the best coach available (Huggins) because of Quin's troubles in Columbia. Oregon doesn't have that problem hence why your suggestion that Missouri and Oregon were in similar hiring situations is incorrect. Oregon is better off.

And just a side note, but KSU doesn't seem to be hurting from Bob Huggins leaving. I don't know that Missouri would have made the same decision to promote Frank Martin or not, but it can be argued that KSU is in a better situation then Missouri is even with Bob Huggins leaving after one year. KSU will likely be the Big 12 favorite next season so long as everyone returns. Mike Anderson has done a great job at Missouri though and nobody can question that he wasn't a good hire thus far.

[MrBug708]

This. If Oregon hires say, Mark Turgeron, then they already were at a better place then most schools. Hell, they just fired a coach who had a winning record in the NCAA tournament and two Elite 8 appearances as part of his resume. That's as many as Norm Stewart went to in his whole career at missouri and he's considered a legend

[the_meanstrosity]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

This. If Oregon hires say, Mark Turgeron, then they already were at a better place then most schools. Hell, they just fired a coach who had a winning record in the NCAA tournament and two Elite 8 appearances as part of his resume. That's as many as Norm Stewart went to in his whole career at missouri and he's considered a legend

Mark Turgeon would be an excellent hire. As I'm sure I've said before I'd hate to lose Mark from the Big 12, but the guy can coach. I'm biased obviously, but I think he's a huge upgrade over Kent.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

This. If Oregon hires say, Mark Turgeron, then they already were at a better place then most schools. Hell, they just fired a coach who had a winning record in the NCAA tournament and two Elite 8 appearances as part of his resume. That's as many as Norm Stewart went to in his whole career at missouri and he's considered a legend

Ah, Arizona = Oregon and Ernie Kent = Norm Stewart.

This thread is going well.

It will be very interesting to see who Oregon finally settles on when all is said and done.

[Butter]

So, rumor is that DePaul is going to hire Oliver Purnell as their head coach today.

As I stated on the Univ. of Dayton fan boards, Purnell is a good hire for them as long as they don't expect to win any tournament games with him as coach.

This probably works out for Clemson as well, as it felt like the basketball program had stagnated under him, and more than a few fans were disgruntled at their inability to win a single NCAA tourney game under him. But it's just as likely that they hire someone awful like Larry Shyatt as it is that they hire someone good to replace him.

[RainMaker]

I'm walking distance from DePaul and my parents had season tickets throughout my childhood. So I've always been a fan of the program and will root for them.

I sort of wanted Isiah for the job. Yeah he's a shitty coach but he also would recruit the hell out of Chicago. Not to mention bring some much needed attention to the program.

In any event, they at least hired someone with solid qualifications. At this point I'm not worried about winning games in the tournament, just winning a few games in the Big East.

[Swaggs]

I'm pretty impressed that DePaul was able to do this well. Purnell will probably never get them to the Final Four or win the Big East, but he has a pretty good track record of turning poor teams into pretty good teams.

It looks like he is 56-years old, so if he can transform them back into a bubble-ish (of course that will be different if/when the tournament expands) team in the next 3-4 years, the job will be much better for whoever comes along afterwards.

[mauchow]

Cornell's Donahue to BC.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I'm pretty impressed that DePaul was able to do this well. Purnell will probably never get them to the Final Four or win the Big East, but he has a pretty good track record of turning poor teams into pretty good teams.

It looks like he is 56-years old, so if he can transform them back into a bubble-ish (of course that will be different if/when the tournament expands) team in the next 3-4 years, the job will be much better for whoever comes along afterwards.

Yeah, that should be the goal. Get them back to respectability. Without an on-campus arena and more money going into facilities, I don't think they'll ever be able to become a contender in the Big East. But they should be recruiting better in Chicago being able to get into the tournament every other year.

The city is much more fun when there is a good college basketball team in town.

[MrBug708]

Rumors of Brad Stevens and Butler AD(Former Oregon Asst Coach) as a package deal.

[miami_fan]

Wake Forest Demon Deacons fire Dino Gaudio as coach - ESPN

WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. -- Wake Forest fired men's basketball coach Dino Gaudio after three seasons Wednesday during a hastily drawn news conference.

Athletic director Ron Wellman said "the basis for the decision was our late-season and postseason performances." Gaudio was a combined 1-5 in Atlantic Coast Conference and NCAA tournaments, the only victory coming in the first round of the NCAA tournament this year against Texas, when Ishmael Smith hit a last-second jumper in overtime.


"This was not a snap decision. It was not a snap judgment," said Wellman, who served on the NCAA Division I men's basketball committee this season and was in Indianapolis earlier this week for the Final Four.

Gaudio was 61-31 at Wake Forest since he was hired in 2007 to replace Skip Prosser, who died of a heart attack. Gaudio received a contract extension in October, but pressure has been mounting because of those poor late-season performances.

Neither Gaudio nor his assistants returned several messages left on their cell phones.

"Six months ago, I was convinved that we were going to perform better at the end of the season," Wellman said. "That did not happen."

Wake Forest opened the 2008-09 season 16-0 and was briefly ranked No. 1, before finishing 24-7 and going one-and-done in both the ACC and NCAA tournaments. The Demon Deacons were the highest seed to lose in the first round when they lost to No. 13 seed Cleveland State.

"We started off 16-0, No. 1 in the country, then lay an egg in the NCAA tournament -- it tore us to pieces when we knew we weren't going to finish our dream," guard L.D. Williams said before the season. "All season long, coach Gaudio talked about 'Final Four, Final Four, Final Four,' and we don't even make the final 32. It kills us every day."

Part of the problem for Gaudio has been players leaving early for the NBA. Jeff Teague and James Johnson both left early last season, and leading scorer Al-Farouq Aminu declared for the draft last week with two years of eligibility remaining.

The Demon Deacons also lose Smith, their second-leading scorer, and 7-foot center Chas McFarland and guard L.D. Williams to graduation.

Interesting timing to say the least. Based on the comments it looks like he could recruit but could not develop the talent he brought in. I am guessing the AD put out a few feelers during the Final Four and found a better coach.

[Scoobz0202]

Goodbye E.T.

[the_meanstrosity]

Not a surprise, but Kansas' Xavier Henry announced his decision to enter the NBA draft today. He should be a top 20 pick.

Interesting story regarding Kentucky's recent press release announcing their five NBA bound players. It sounds as if Calipari made the announcement public before the players had even truly decided. I can't blame the guy as he's promising playing time to potential recruits while waiting on these players to decide. Probably could have handled it better though.

http://vaughtsviews.com/?p=4221

[Wolfpack]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Wake Forest Demon Deacons fire Dino Gaudio as coach - ESPN



Interesting timing to say the least. Based on the comments it looks like he could recruit but could not develop the talent he brought in. I am guessing the AD put out a few feelers during the Final Four and found a better coach.

Speculation has been there's something more to the firing than just the fact that Gaudio can't coach his way out of a wet paper bag, things the NCAA would look askance at. However, the mediocre play down the stretch the last few years on his watch did not help his case. I also agree that AD Wellman likely has a successor on the line already and is just getting his i's and t's taken care of before announcing anything.

All this hot-n-heavy ACC coaching carousel action has once again raised the hackles of many a State fan who are ready to lynch our current AD for gross mismanagement of the various programs on his watch because he damn near refuses to fire anyone no matter how poorly they're performing. It took several winless conference seasons for him to fire the women's volleyball coach, for example.

[JonInMiddleGA]

The exit of Oliver Purnell leads to the apparent exit of Clemson commitment Marcus Thornton, Mr. Georgia Basketball for 2010. He's requested his release and has expressed interest in both Georgia Tech and Georgia.

AJC’s Mr. Georgia Basketball requests Clemson release, interested in Georgia Tech and UGA | Prep Zone: High School Sports

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

The exit of Oliver Purnell leads to the apparent exit of Clemson commitment Marcus Thornton, Mr. Georgia Basketball for 2010. He's requested his release and has expressed interest in both Georgia Tech and Georgia.

AJC’s Mr. Georgia Basketball requests Clemson release, interested in Georgia Tech and UGA | Prep Zone: High School Sports

Requesting and receiving a release from a LOI are two very different things. I would guess that there is about a 70% chance he ends up staying at Clemson once the new head coach sweet talks him and about a 2% chance that he ends up at any other ACC school. In the rare cases that players are let out of LOIs, they are almost always contingent on the player not joining a fellow conference team.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Requesting and receiving a release from a LOI are two very different things. I would guess that there is about a 70% chance he ends up staying at Clemson once the new head coach sweet talks him and about a 2% chance that he ends up at any other ACC school. In the rare cases that players are let out of LOIs, they are almost always contingent on the player not joining a fellow conference team.

I don't think there's a very good chance he stays, but I agree that he likely won't end up at an ACC school. Georgia would be a more likely destination.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Requesting and receiving a release from a LOI are two very different things.

Umm ...

The elder Thornton confirmed to the AJC that Clemson officials have agreed to the release

Whether he ends up at GT is a different deal

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Umm ...

Whether he ends up at GT is a different deal

Requesting a release from a LOI is nearly automatic anymore. If a new coach doesn't release signed players from their LOI, it's major recruiting ammunition for all the other coaches. It can kill your recruiting. Many of these coaches know that they'll go to a different program eventually and they want the same luxury of taking players along to their new destination without any backlash.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

FYI to Mizzou b-ball fans.......At least two transfers expected to be announced today. Rumor is that Paul and Stone are the two that are transferring. Not a surprise given the staff has been hitting the recruiting path hard over the last few weeks despite no more scholarships available at that time. Should allow Mizzou to bolster their front line.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Umm ...


Whether he ends up at GT is a different deal

My bad, I re-read it. I had seen this:

Georgia Tech and UGA have revealed through third parties that they are heavily interested in Thornton, if he is granted a release.

and this:

“(Clemson) has indicated to me that they will grant the release, and that they are excited about the opportunity to continue recruiting Marcus,” the elder Thornton said. “They said Marcus is part of any conversation that they are having with coaching candidates.”

and taken the quotes from his dad and the prepared statement w/ a grain of salt b/c people often hear what they want to hear when they are making a request. It seems like, often times, the school will release the player, but they'll take their time to give the new coach an advantage.

[Logan]

That's what Rutgers is doing with Gil Biruta right now. They'll eventually release him, but they'll make him listen to the new coach make his pitch.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

FYI to Mizzou b-ball fans.......At least two transfers expected to be announced today. Rumor is that Paul and Stone are the two that are transferring. Not a surprise given the staff has been hitting the recruiting path hard over the last few weeks despite no more scholarships available at that time. Should allow Mizzou to bolster their front line.

It sounds like Paul has been unhappy with his playing time and is transferring on his own. If that is the case then I have no problem with it. However if this is a Kentucky like thing where we recruit a kid and then the program gets better and we try and push the less talented kids out I can't say that I am happy about it. They should definitely honor their scholarships. I am not saying that Anderson has to play Paul at all but if paul wants to stay on the team and get a degree from Mizzou it should be on him. Anderson has never given any indication to be this type of coach (so I will give him the benefit of the doubt) but there really is a fine line being potentially crossed here.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Derrick Favors joins Gani Lawal in declaring early for the NBA draft.

Tech's Favors decides to turn pro *| ajc.com

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by panerd

It sounds like Paul has been unhappy with his playing time and is transferring on his own. If that is the case then I have no problem with it. However if this is a Kentucky like thing where we recruit a kid and then the program gets better and we try and push the less talented kids out I can't say that I am happy about it. They should definitely honor their scholarships. I am not saying that Anderson has to play Paul at all but if paul wants to stay on the team and get a degree from Mizzou it should be on him. Anderson has never given any indication to be this type of coach (so I will give him the benefit of the doubt) but there really is a fine line being potentially crossed here.

Paul did move by his own choice. The staff asked him to reconsider for a couple of days, but he still decided to transfer in the end. He'll be a good player for someone.

Stone had some attitude issues that the coaches weren't very happy with despite his potential. Neither side was interested in continuing their relationship.

[the_meanstrosity]

Originally Posted by panerd

It sounds like Paul has been unhappy with his playing time and is transferring on his own. If that is the case then I have no problem with it. However if this is a Kentucky like thing where we recruit a kid and then the program gets better and we try and push the less talented kids out I can't say that I am happy about it. They should definitely honor their scholarships. I am not saying that Anderson has to play Paul at all but if paul wants to stay on the team and get a degree from Mizzou it should be on him. Anderson has never given any indication to be this type of coach (so I will give him the benefit of the doubt) but there really is a fine line being potentially crossed here.

I wouldn't be too worried about it. The fact is players transfer from programs all of the time because of lack of playing time. It's a coach's job to recruit better players each and every year so you can't honestly put this on the coach. Guys like Paul and Stone are going to get an opportunity to gain quality minutes at another program. Everybody wins.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Requesting a release from a LOI is nearly automatic anymore. If a new coach doesn't release signed players from their LOI, it's major recruiting ammunition for all the other coaches. It can kill your recruiting. Many of these coaches know that they'll go to a different program eventually and they want the same luxury of taking players along to their new destination without any backlash.

Just curious, but how is it major ammunition? Most coaches won't release a player into the conference

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Just curious, but how is it major ammunition? Most coaches won't release a player into the conference

That wasn't the point of discussion. The point was releases. I've already noted in a previous post that the release likely will not result in a transfer to GT in this case.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

That wasn't the point of discussion. The point was releases. I've already noted in a previous post that the release likely will not result in a transfer to GT in this case.

I'll revise my statement. If a coach doesn't release them, how is that ammunition? Didn't Beasley want out of KSU and Martin refused? (iirc?)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I'll revise my statement. If a coach doesn't release them, how is that ammunition? Didn't Beasley want out of KSU and Martin refused? (iirc?)

No. It was much like the scenario mentioned earlier. Beasley was frustrated initially about the change and the university told him they would release him if he still wanted to leave after talking with the new coach. He talked with Martin and confirmed that Hill would still be with KSU and then decided to stick with his commitment.

[MrBug708]

Oh vey, what sort of "negative recruiting" would other coaches use?