The Trump Presidency – 2016 - Page 558

Jas_lov · 09-09-2020, 12:58 PM

Maybe. Incredibly dumb. I know Trump has a thousand lives but this has to be the final nail in the coffin.

Lathum · 09-09-2020, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Maybe. Incredibly dumb. I know Trump has a thousand lives but this has to be the final nail in the coffin.

Twitter comments would suggest otherwise

larrymcg421 · 09-09-2020, 01:08 PM

That recording should be in every Biden ad for the rest of the campaign.

JPhillips · 09-09-2020, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

The only point of the tax deferral is to help Trump win the election. He doesn't care what happens to those people. If Biden wins they'll just say he raised their taxes.

Everything the GOP is doing is with an eye towards fucking the country if Biden wins. This tax deferral, the new stimulus, the ACA lawsuit, drafting legislation to make it illegal for the Fed to loan money, everything.

JPhillips · 09-09-2020, 01:34 PM

dola

GOP: He didn't do it.
Trump: I did it.

GOP: He didn't mean to do it.
Trump: I wish I'd done it sooner.

GOP: He did it for benign reasons.
Trump: I did it for the worst reasons.

GOP: He's sorry.
Trump: I'm never sorry.

GOP: He's chastened.
Trump: I'm doing it again tomorrow.
— Radley Balko (@radleybalko) February 5, 2020

Atocep · 09-09-2020, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Maybe. Incredibly dumb. I know Trump has a thousand lives but this has to be the final nail in the coffin.

It's not going to put a dent in his base. His base believes this is a cultural war that they have to win no matter the cost. This will make it more difficult for him to pull the few remaining undecideds and that's probably the most we can ask for with Trump.

sterlingice · 09-09-2020, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Maybe. Incredibly dumb. I know Trump has a thousand lives but this has to be the final nail in the coffin.

Why would this time be any different? His zealots will just pivot to "see? he didn't want to create a panic"

SI

Noop · 09-09-2020, 02:02 PM

These tapes mean nothing. Trump will continue to not experience any major sustaining blowback.

Atocep · 09-09-2020, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Why would this time be any different? His zealots will just pivot to "see? he didn't want to create a panic"

SI

The talking points are that actions speak louder than words and just look all he did to take it seriously while the same people downplay the severity of COVID because that's been Trump's talking point for 6 months.

Butter · 09-09-2020, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

It's not going to put a dent in his base. His base believes this is a cultural war that they have to win no matter the cost. This will make it more difficult for him to pull the few raining undecideds and that's probably the most we can ask for with Trump.

Correct. Had a 70+ year old aunt-in-law post something on Facebook yesterday that was akin to "if the liberals win, it is the end of America. Trump may not be the man we like, but he is the man God sent to save America."

It doesn't matter what he does at this point. He could suspend elections or roll out tanks on election day to keep blacks from voting. It literally doesn't matter.

JPhillips · 09-09-2020, 02:10 PM

But we know that isn't true. No, he won't lose half his support, but he's already lost a few points and he can't win without expanding his support from 2016. Every time he loses a tenth of a point or something matters. If he has lost 2 or 3 points of his 2016 support, he can't win.

Ben E Lou · 09-09-2020, 02:19 PM

He is a bigger idiot than I'd ever imagined, and I'd imagined him to be a substantial idiot.

Just. Wow.

Edward64 · 09-09-2020, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

These tapes mean nothing. Trump will continue to not experience any major sustaining blowback.

I agree, it won't hurt him significantly.

Woodward's timing is curious though. It would have been better if this came out mid-Oct which gives Trump less time to react.

Butter · 09-09-2020, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

But we know that isn't true. No, he won't lose half his support, but he's already lost a few points and he can't win without expanding his support from 2016. Every time he loses a tenth of a point or something matters. If he has lost 2 or 3 points of his 2016 support, he can't win.

OK, if you want to nitpick, nothing he does matters to the 40%.

Ksyrup · 09-09-2020, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64

I agree, it won't hurt him significantly.

Woodward's timing is curious though. It would have been better if this came out mid-Oct which gives Trump less time to react.

I was wondering about this too, except it feels like Biden is losing a little momentum now, so I'm thinking maybe they did it to stunt any momentum Trump might be picking up.

Ben E Lou · 09-09-2020, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

But we know that isn't true. No, he won't lose half his support, but he's already lost a few points and he can't win without expanding his support from 2016. Every time he loses a tenth of a point or something matters. If he has lost 2 or 3 points of his 2016 support, he can't win.

This right here. (And this is true for all of these things that come up and some of y'all keep syaing "IT WON'T MATTER!!!") Yes, he SHOULD lose virtually all of his support for this one, but he won't. However, it's reasonable to assume that it'll move more undecideds to Biden (heck, my wife is one..she's already told me this is the final straw) and some Trump supporters to third party or Biden. How many? Hard to tell. But a non-zero loss of his voters and a non-zero number of third-party voters who switch to Biden for a guy who won by a razor-thin margin and hasn't expanded his base? That's important.

Noop · 09-09-2020, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64

I agree, it won't hurt him significantly.

Woodward's timing is curious though. It would have been better if this came out mid-Oct which gives Trump less time to react.

I wonder why Woodward wouldn't say something earlier if he could have prevent people from needlessly dying.

I do not want to distract from the fact that our President is an immoral grifter and half the country is perfectly okay with that.

Ben E Lou · 09-09-2020, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

I wonder why Woodward wouldn't say something earlier if he could have prevent people from needlessly dying.

I do not want to distract from the fact that our President is an immoral grifter and half the country is perfectly okay with that.

I'm angrier at Woodward than Trump. I already knew Trump was a scumbag of the highest order, so I'd expect this from him. But Woodward held this information until now...to sell a book? ...so his favored candidate can win the election? That's absolutely inexcusable.

albionmoonlight · 09-09-2020, 02:38 PM

Dems can't appoint SCOTUS Justices if you mismanage COVID so badly that everyone is dead so there's no one left to appoint.

Atocep · 09-09-2020, 02:41 PM

We’ve received a whistleblower complaint alleging DHS suppressed intel reports on Russian election interference, altered intel to match false Trump claims and made false statements to Congress.

This puts our national security at risk. We will investigate:https://t.co/Z7npo3P6zv
— Adam Schiff (@RepAdamSchiff) September 9, 2020

Lathum · 09-09-2020, 02:46 PM

Two scandals in one day that would destroy any other presidency, we just call it Wednesday.

ISiddiqui · 09-09-2020, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

I'm angrier at Woodward than Trump. I already knew Trump was a scumbag of the highest order, so I'd expect this from him. But Woodward held this information until now...to sell a book? ...so his favored candidate can win the election? That's absolutely inexcusable.

I don't know if it's 'candidate' related. Woodward has written an in depth book about every President since H.W. And I don't think his "Obama's Wars" was all that flattering to Obama.

But Woodward is also an 'old style' journalist, who believes his job is to report the story fully, even if revealing parts of it earlier may have saved lives.

Ben E Lou · 09-09-2020, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

But Woodward is also an 'old style' journalist, who believes his job is to report the story fully, even if revealing parts of it earlier may have saved lives.

If so, then I'll let Lt. Dan Kaffee respond for me.

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Noop · 09-09-2020, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

I'm angrier at Woodward than Trump. I already knew Trump was a scumbag of the highest order, so I'd expect this from him. But Woodward held this information until now...to sell a book? ...so his favored candidate can win the election? That's absolutely inexcusable.

Woodward is a grade a piss of sh*t. He should have said something the moment he heard Trump peddling lies. His failure to say anything probably cost some lives.

Brian Swartz · 09-09-2020, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jas lov

The only point of the tax deferral is to help Trump win the election. He doesn't care what happens to those people.

A politician acting in craven self-interest is truly an unprecedented occurence.

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Originally Posted by Issidiqui

He's not a bright man.

Sometimes the simplest, understated answers are the best. Like apples of gold in settings of silver you might say. Well played.

I'm also confused by the Woodward outrage. It seems we are simultaneously saying it won't change anything even now, but yet he cost lives by not saying something earlier. Which is it?

Noop · 09-09-2020, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

We’ve received a whistleblower complaint alleging DHS suppressed intel reports on Russian election interference, altered intel to match false Trump claims and made false statements to Congress.

This puts our national security at risk. We will investigate:https://t.co/Z7npo3P6zv
— Adam Schiff (@RepAdamSchiff) September 9, 2020

Jesus Christ. This is madness.

How is their meddling with weaponized propaganda not an act of war? WTF.

Let me shut up smh.

Ben E Lou · 09-09-2020, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Woodward is a grade a piss of sh*t. He should have said something the moment he heard Trump peddling lies. His failure to say anything probably cost some lives.

Can't recall if I posted it here, but a good friend lost both of her parents to COVID within a five-day period this summer. They were conservatives who didn't take the virus seriously, but weren't by any means full-blown MAGA; they were the type who could have been swayed.

I'd like to make Bob Woodward sit down and explain to my friend why he thought he should hold this information for 7 months.

albionmoonlight · 09-09-2020, 03:06 PM

Funny thing is that Biden just released a major economic plan today.

And it will get no coverage because Trump is increasing his rate of "would destroy any other President" scandals to over one a day.

One of Trump's skills--from the 2016 Primary onward--is that his opponents can get no traction whatsoever. We might be praising Trump. We might be cursing Trump. But we are always talking about Trump.

ISiddiqui · 09-09-2020, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Funny thing is that Biden just released a major economic plan today.

And it will get no coverage because Trump is increasing his rate of "would destroy any other President" scandals to over one a day.

One of Trump's skills--from the 2016 Primary onward--is that his opponents can get no traction whatsoever. We might be praising Trump. We might be cursing Trump. But we are always talking about Trump.

Biden's speech trashing Trump was fantastic today. I doubt it'll get much play aside from being played live today.

edit: In a pleasant surprise, CNN is discussing Biden's speech.

JPhillips · 09-09-2020, 03:11 PM

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that's not ideal to me.

Romney comes out HARD against Trump's virus revelations.

JPhillips · 09-09-2020, 03:13 PM

Not gonna be enough to change the narrative, Don.

I will be announcing a list of future potential Supreme Court Justices at 3:30 P.M. Eastern from the Diplomatic Reception Room of the White House.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 9, 2020

RainMaker · 09-09-2020, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Can't recall if I posted it here, but a good friend lost both of her parents to COVID within a five-day period this summer. They were conservatives who didn't take the virus seriously, but weren't by any means full-blown MAGA; they were the type who could have been swayed.

I'd like to make Bob Woodward sit down and explain to my friend why he thought he should hold this information for 7 months.

Do people really think that would have changed anything? He's been caught lying incessantly for years. Bob Woodward wasn't going to change the position of your friends parents. They were going to sacrifice themselves for Trump regardless.

Ksyrup · 09-09-2020, 03:21 PM

It could have forced Trump to change his tactics if it had been disclosed early on, though. He could have been forced to acknowledge the threat before March, perhaps allowing/forcing him to somewhat save face by doing a 180 on his messaging. Instead, he was simply content to stick with the "no problems here" messaging to keep the economy and stock market up in hopes the virus wouldn't be really bad so he could coast to re-election.

That changed when the market started tanking, he gave that mid-March "hostage" press conference which caused the market to REALLY tank, but by then he was so far down the path to "this is going to go away soon" that he couldn't walk it back because, you know, true tough guys don't admit they are wrong.

Drake · 09-09-2020, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

If so, then I'll let Lt. Dan Kaffee respond for me.

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I'd argue that if a medical expert like Fauci didn't move the needle for people who didn't want to take COVID seriously, then Woodward's tapes wouldn't have either.

Atocep · 09-09-2020, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Do people really think that would have changed anything? He's been caught lying incessantly for years. Bob Woodward wasn't going to change the position of your friends parents. They were going to sacrifice themselves for Trump regardless.

In February? It absolutely would have changed a lot and would have saved lives. If Trump gets out in front of this with his supporters the anti-vaxxers don't find an ally and the nonsense doesn't reach the point it has. Releasing it now does nothing though. His supporters are far too gone. Trump could go out to the rose garden and say it on live TV and most could say it didn't happen or claim he was misunderstood.

Atocep · 09-09-2020, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Drake

I'd argue that if a medical expert like Fauci didn't move the needle for people who didn't want to take COVID seriously, then Woodward's tapes wouldn't have either.

People were generally listening to Fauci initially. That changed as Trump, Fox News, and other GOP continually attacked him to keep up with thr Trump narrative.

Butter · 09-09-2020, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Can't recall if I posted it here, but a good friend lost both of her parents to COVID within a five-day period this summer. They were conservatives who didn't take the virus seriously, but weren't by any means full-blown MAGA; they were the type who could have been swayed.

I'd like to make Bob Woodward sit down and explain to my friend why he thought he should hold this information for 7 months.

You think this is on Woodward? There were lots and lots of people within the administration that knew this as well and did nothing.

Ksyrup · 09-09-2020, 03:45 PM

Haven’t we now reached the point where Trump has to call HIMSELF a disgruntled failing hack he hardly knows?
— Dennis Herring (@dcherring) September 9, 2020

albionmoonlight · 09-09-2020, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

Not gonna be enough to change the narrative, Don.

I will be announcing a list of future potential Supreme Court Justices at 3:30 P.M. Eastern from the Diplomatic Reception Room of the White House.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 9, 2020

Especially when he reveals the list

The Coronavirus
That Covington Catholic Kid
The guy with the gun in St. Louis (but not his wife)
Putin
Don Jr.
A name randomly selected from anyone who donates $100 or more dollars to his campaign by midnight tonight.

thesloppy · 09-09-2020, 03:48 PM

I think it's fair to question why Woodward waited to release these tapes, but I also think that the earlier he released them the less of an effect they would've had.

I think it's revisionist history to suggest these tapes would've changed minds in February.....in February covid was still largely an unknown horror story from across the oceans & I'd suspect this tape's release would've been largely dismissed at the time and served literally zero purpose & forgotten, rather than run up the flag pole. To some degree these tapes only became remarkable once we passed tipping points of deaths, knowledge gained & consistent administration response.

Bee · 09-09-2020, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

In February? It absolutely would have changed a lot and would have saved lives. If Trump gets out in front of this with his supporters the anti-vaxxers don't find an ally and the nonsense doesn't reach the point it has. Releasing it now does nothing though. His supporters are far too gone. Trump could go out to the rose garden and say it on live TV and most could say it didn't happen or claim he was misunderstood.

Sure Trump could have gotten in front of it if he wanted, but Woodward bringing this out would have had zero impact. Trump would have just attacked him and called it all fake news and his supporters would have followed.

sterlingice · 09-09-2020, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Especially when he reveals the list

The Coronavirus
That Covington Catholic Kid
The guy with the gun in St. Louis (but not his wife)
Putin
Don Jr.
A name randomly selected from anyone who donates $100 or more dollars to his campaign by midnight tonight.

Any judge willing to grant him immunity from his numerous wrongdoings
Judge Judy
Judge Dredd

SI

Ben E Lou · 09-09-2020, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Do people really think that would have changed anything? He's been caught lying incessantly for years. Bob Woodward wasn't going to change the position of your friends parents. They were going to sacrifice themselves for Trump regardless.

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Originally Posted by Drake

I'd argue that if a medical expert like Fauci didn't move the needle for people who didn't want to take COVID seriously, then Woodward's tapes wouldn't have either.

Doesn't matter if it would have worked. You do the right thing. Period. Consequences be damned.

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Originally Posted by Butter

You think this is on Woodward? There were lots and lots of people within the administration that knew this as well and did nothing.

It's not JUST on Woodward, but sitting on the tapes for 7 months is 100% inexcusable. The fact that other scumbags sat on it doesn't excuse him sitting on it (with evidence.)

albionmoonlight · 09-09-2020, 04:01 PM

Also, how poor does your grasp of American history have to be to think "I, as President, will confess gross malfeasance to Bob Woodward" is a good idea?

Ben E Lou · 09-09-2020, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Also, how poor does your grasp of American history have to be to think "I, as President, will confess gross malfeasance to Bob Woodward" is a good idea?

Yeah, this is specifically what I meant by this...

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

He is a bigger idiot than I'd ever imagined, and I'd imagined him to be a substantial idiot.

Just. Wow.

Bee · 09-09-2020, 04:05 PM

So Trump gave Woodward 18 interviews for the book. This is probably just a drop in the bucket of stuff he has on tape, not that it will matter to anyone at this point.

thesloppy · 09-09-2020, 04:07 PM

The Bolton book episode suggested that the timing & release of such things might not be entirely under Woodward's control, for whatever that is worth.

BillyMadison · 09-09-2020, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Doesn't matter if it would have worked. You do the right thing. Period. Consequences be damned.It's not JUST on Woodward, but sitting on the tapes for 7 months is 100% inexcusable. The fact that other scumbags sat on it doesn't excuse him sitting on it (with evidence.)

You're wrong and this shows a lack of understanding for the tenets of basic journalism. Woodward is old school and you see the story through. When you have unprecedented access and the chance to expose a President who is incriminating himself on god knows what else 18 separate more times for a larger expose you don’t sabotage that for one tidbit that would have made literally zero impact had it come out in Feb/March/April/May/June.

Read up on Watergate some time.

HomerSimpson98 · 09-09-2020, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Can't recall if I posted it here, but a good friend lost both of her parents to COVID within a five-day period this summer. They were conservatives who didn't take the virus seriously, but weren't by any means full-blown MAGA; they were the type who could have been swayed.

I'd like to make Bob Woodward sit down and explain to my friend why he thought he should hold this information for 7 months.

"They were conservatives who didn't take the virus seriously,"

But its a journalist's fault? The enemy of the people?

I swear these are some logic-bending times we live in.

Ben E Lou · 09-09-2020, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BillyMadison

You're wrong and this shows a lack of understanding for the tenets of basic journalism. Woodward is old school and you see the story through.

Saving lives >>>> respecting the tenets of basic journalism

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09-09-2020, 02:02 PM	#27858
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09-09-2020, 02:10 PM	#27861
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	But we know that isn't true. No, he won't lose half his support, but he's already lost a few points and he can't win without expanding his support from 2016. Every time he loses a tenth of a point or something matters. If he has lost 2 or 3 points of his 2016 support, he can't win. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

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09-09-2020, 12:58 PM	#27851
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Maybe. Incredibly dumb. I know Trump has a thousand lives but this has to be the final nail in the coffin.

09-09-2020, 02:38 PM	#27869
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Dems can't appoint SCOTUS Justices if you mismanage COVID so badly that everyone is dead so there's no one left to appoint.

09-09-2020, 02:41 PM	#27870
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	We’ve received a whistleblower complaint alleging DHS suppressed intel reports on Russian election interference, altered intel to match false Trump claims and made false statements to Congress. This puts our national security at risk. We will investigate:https://t.co/Z7npo3P6zv — Adam Schiff (@RepAdamSchiff) September 9, 2020

09-09-2020, 02:46 PM	#27871
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Two scandals in one day that would destroy any other presidency, we just call it Wednesday.

09-09-2020, 03:06 PM	#27878
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Funny thing is that Biden just released a major economic plan today. And it will get no coverage because Trump is increasing his rate of "would destroy any other President" scandals to over one a day. One of Trump's skills--from the 2016 Primary onward--is that his opponents can get no traction whatsoever. We might be praising Trump. We might be cursing Trump. But we are always talking about Trump.

09-09-2020, 03:13 PM	#27881
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Not gonna be enough to change the narrative, Don. I will be announcing a list of future potential Supreme Court Justices at 3:30 P.M. Eastern from the Diplomatic Reception Room of the White House. — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 9, 2020 __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

09-09-2020, 03:21 PM	#27883
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	It could have forced Trump to change his tactics if it had been disclosed early on, though. He could have been forced to acknowledge the threat before March, perhaps allowing/forcing him to somewhat save face by doing a 180 on his messaging. Instead, he was simply content to stick with the "no problems here" messaging to keep the economy and stock market up in hopes the virus wouldn't be really bad so he could coast to re-election. That changed when the market started tanking, he gave that mid-March "hostage" press conference which caused the market to REALLY tank, but by then he was so far down the path to "this is going to go away soon" that he couldn't walk it back because, you know, true tough guys don't admit they are wrong. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

09-09-2020, 03:45 PM	#27888
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Haven’t we now reached the point where Trump has to call HIMSELF a disgruntled failing hack he hardly knows? — Dennis Herring (@dcherring) September 9, 2020 __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

09-09-2020, 03:48 PM	#27890
thesloppy Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: PDX	I think it's fair to question why Woodward waited to release these tapes, but I also think that the earlier he released them the less of an effect they would've had. I think it's revisionist history to suggest these tapes would've changed minds in February.....in February covid was still largely an unknown horror story from across the oceans & I'd suspect this tape's release would've been largely dismissed at the time and served literally zero purpose & forgotten, rather than run up the flag pole. To some degree these tapes only became remarkable once we passed tipping points of deaths, knowledge gained & consistent administration response. __________________ Last edited by thesloppy : Today at 05:35 PM. Last edited by thesloppy : 09-09-2020 at 04:00 PM.

09-09-2020, 04:01 PM	#27894
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Also, how poor does your grasp of American history have to be to think "I, as President, will confess gross malfeasance to Bob Woodward" is a good idea?

09-09-2020, 04:05 PM	#27896
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	So Trump gave Woodward 18 interviews for the book. This is probably just a drop in the bucket of stuff he has on tape, not that it will matter to anyone at this point.

09-09-2020, 04:07 PM	#27897
thesloppy Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: PDX	The Bolton book episode suggested that the timing & release of such things might not be entirely under Woodward's control, for whatever that is worth. __________________ Last edited by thesloppy : Today at 05:35 PM.

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