Yet another school shooting.

[GrantDawg]

Sorry, Idaho.

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[GrantDawg]

Potatoes not corn.

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[molson]

It's cool, we don't really want people to know we have mountains and rivers and lakes and shit, and aren't flat.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Potatoes not corn.

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Ammon Bundy not Kirk Ferentz

[molson]

That's true but you don't have to say it.

[cuervo72]

Not at school, but some child victims.

8 found fatally shot in Utah home, including 5 children

[cuervo72]

Oh.

On Dec. 21, Tausha Haight filed for divorce from her husband Michael Haight.

On Dec. 27 he was served with divorce papers.

Yesterday, police in Utah found Tausha, her mother, and her five children all shot dead by their father, who then killed himself.https://t.co/QA1bIAu9bh pic.twitter.com/UNDG8X7rE8

— David Gilbert (@daithaigilbert) January 5, 2023

Guns more effective than Teslas for this, I suppose.

[Ksyrup]

Guess it was exactly what it looked like in the initial report. Terrible.

[Ksyrup]

A statement from the White House said “the President and First Lady are mourning with the Enoch City, Utah community in the wake of a tragic shooting” before pointing out the need for more gun control laws.

With all due respect to the President, this type of shooting really doesn't seem like something you can legislate against, and while I get that it's another opportunity to bring up "we need gun control," it's the exact kind of thing that allows for warranted criticism. It's entirely possible (likely, even) that he didn't need a high capacity firearm to commit these murders. Anyone with a clean record can go buy a handgun or two and do what he did. There's no way to legislate against this. I could go buy a gun and kill my family this weekend if it was in my mind. There's no reason to prevent me from buying a gun and no one knows why I'm buying it.

The real issue is that this is a battle for what will be a decades-long "rewiring" of people's minds against gun culture and turning to this kind of annihilation as a means of coping with or resolving problems/adversity. But of course, that's tough work and requires acknowledging we have a gun culture problem, so....

[Lathum]

Clearly the issue is the wife, her mom, and all 5 kids should have had guns of their own

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Clearly the issue is the wife, her mom, and all 5 kids should have had guns of their own

Or declared the house a 'gun-free' zone.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Or declared the house a 'gun-free' zone.

So you're saying here that one thing is equal to another thing? Right? That's your point?

[Ksyrup]

DEVELOPING: Confirmed shooting at Richneck Elementary School in Newport News, Virginia; police currently rushing to the scene
pic.twitter.com/5Sf0EQmJuy

— Intel Point Alert (@IntelPointAlert) January 6, 2023

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Oh.




Guns more effective than Teslas for this, I suppose.

This one happened near where I grew up. Another family annihilator (learned something from Criminal Minds).

Just incredibly depressing.

Buffalo Grove Police responded to 14 calls for help before police say Andrei Kisliak stabbed his wife, two daughters and mother to death in an apparent murder-suicide in November, according to records released this week. https://t.co/1YfDI5BIh1

— Chicago Tribune (@chicagotribune) December 30, 2022

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

A 7 year old shot a teacher.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Or declared the house a 'gun-free' zone.

Needed police patrols and locked doors

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

A 7 year old shot a teacher.

6 years old actually. America!!!

Just as an aside, what do you do with a kid like this?

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

6 years old actually. America!!!

Just as an aside, what do you do with a kid like this?

Depends on why. I did not read anything of a possible motive?

[Ksyrup]

All I saw is that it wasn't an accident. Not sure what you do with the kid, but if the gun came from home you charge the parent(s) and get social services involved.

[GrantDawg]

I read there is a type of child probation system that handles cases like this. Regular supervision by social services and mandated mental programs.

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[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Needed police patrols and locked doors

Armed guards for every home.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

Armed guards for every home.

Just arm parents.........oh wait

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

All I saw is that it wasn't an accident. Not sure what you do with the kid, but if the gun came from home you charge the parent(s) and get social services involved.

Looks like you don't do much of anything with the kid.

What we know and don't know about the case of a 6-year-old who allegedly shot his teacher | CNN

While it’s technically possible for prosecutors to file charges against a 6-year-old in Virginia, which does not have a statutory age limit, “it is incredibly unlikely that it would lead to a successful prosecution,” said Andrew Block, an associate professor at the University of Virginia School of Law.

The main hurdle, Block said, is a defendant must be found competent to stand trial – meaning the court must find the defendant is able to both understand the nature of the legal proceedings against him and assist his lawyers in his own defense.

“It’s virtually impossible to imagine that a 6-year-old would meet either of the criteria necessary to find competency,” said Block, who is also the former director of the Virginia Department of Juvenile Justice

Hypothetically, if prosecutors did file charges, the 6-year-old’s attorneys would have available to them the “infancy defense,” Block said, which essentially says anyone under the age of seven can never be found criminally responsible.

The student is also likely too young for a detention center if he were to be found guilty, Block told CNN. “The juvenile justice system is not set up to handle kids this young,” he said.

The courts would have limited options in Virginia, where one must be 11 years old to be held in custody in a state facility, Block said. That leaves open other possibilities, like residential treatment or “wraparound” support services for the family.

Alternatively, the student could be found to be a “child in need of services,” Block said, which would mean the child was “engaging in behavior that puts either themselves or others at serious risk of harm,” and the courts could step in to make sure the child received the needed services.

“Given the little that we know, that seems like it would be a more expedient, appropriate and hopefully productive path for people to pursue if it ends up going to court at all,” Block said.

[CrimsonFox]

Step one: remove child from their home.

[Ksyrup]

Exactly. And once the determine the origin of the gun, charge that person (those people) and if they are the parents, use it as evidence to take the kid on a more permanent basis.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Step one: remove child from their home.

I am only being half actually a quarter serious when I say this but why?

I just saw an interview with the police chief and he gave this answer when asked how does a six year old know how to use a firearm.

CHIEF STEVE DREW, NEWPORT NEWS, VIRGINIA: How does a six-year-old know how to use a firearm? I don't know that I could give you an adequate answer. I know that I have seen some video games out there that depict it pretty clearly, whether it is something that might be a toy at one point, I don't know how to answer that. It is unprecedented. I don't know how to answer that question.

The video game trope aside, welcome to the U.S. Chief. Kids in the U.S. grow up around guns. Kids in the U.S. are taught to load and shoot guns even at the tender age of six years old. Kids in the U.S. are around as the adults in their lives learned how to shoot. The kid definitely was intentional in shooting the teacher aka he did not point the gun for show so he at least pick up the training of only point your weapon as someone or something you intend to shoot/kill.

I think the child should be removed given the parent's inability to secure the weapon and I don't think a six year old child should be shown how to shoot a gun. But I know that a significant part of the country disagrees with me. If removing the child from the home is due to him shooting the teacher and that is what is done when a child under eighteen takes their parents' gun and shoots someone, then that is what should be done. But outside of that? Yeah, I just got through seeing way too many family Christmas photos with kids holding guns for me to make that the basis for removing him from his home.

[GrantDawg]

I have said it before on here: I am in and out of houses pretty regularly. People that have loaded weapons lying around in houses with young kids running around is staggering. Rifles/Shotguns sitting next to windows like they are expecting an attack at any moment. Handguns sitting on bedside tables, or even the side tables next to the sofa. I'm honestly shocked more children aren't killed playing with guns.

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[RainMaker]

Uvalde massacre: School police chief told investigators why he didn't try to stop gunman: 'There's probably going to be some deceased in there, but we don't need any more from out here' | CNN

[GrantDawg]

Has there ever been a better sequence of tweets than this:

pic.twitter.com/3aHLUiedrY

— Wild Geerters (@steinkobbe) January 12, 2023

[Ksyrup]

I saw that earlier. Hilarious. The blood red toenail polish is a nice touch.

And congratulations to Ms. O'Donnell for crushing her new year's resolutions so quickly.

[RainMaker]

This is really weird.

What the hell is going on

Laguna Woods: 68 year old Asian American gunman
Monterey Park: 72 year old Asian American gunman
And now... Half Moon Bay: Reportedly a 60-something year old Asian American suspect

— Kyung Lah (@KyungLahCNN) January 24, 2023

[miami_fan]

Seems like a perfect assimilation to the American way of life to me.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

This is really weird.

What the hell is going on

Laguna Woods: 68 year old Asian American gunman
Monterey Park: 72 year old Asian American gunman
And now... Half Moon Bay: Reportedly a 60-something year old Asian American suspect

— Kyung Lah (@KyungLahCNN) January 24, 2023

Even more weird that it times so closely to the Lunar New Year.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Even more weird that it times so closely to the Lunar New Year.

It really makes me wonder if this wasn't some Q-annon type conspiracy in the Asain community that triggered this. But then, it could just be crazy coincidence.

[Edward64]

I think it’s just 2 old, lonely, very depressed Asian guys. And CNY just reinforced how unfair life was to them because they saw so many others happily celebrating.

But yeah, assimilation to US culture. They should follow the Japanese culture and go into the Redwoods and just die by themselves. What frakkers.

[Ksyrup]

I believe it's 3 older Asian shooters, not 2.

[cougarfreak]

https://www.today.com/news/kentucky-...turn-rcna66055


Looks like a case study for stupidity.

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[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by cougarfreak

https://www.today.com/news/kentucky-...turn-rcna66055


Looks like a case study for stupidity.

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I thought you were at Conner? You're not? I figured if anyone knew the ins and outs of this one it would be you.

[cougarfreak]

I am. That’s me in the article. I work for morons. What I am having to put up with us unfathomable.


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[PilotMan]

For that I'm truly sorry. You're in a terrible position here. You are stuck with what you're stuck with, get very little to no backing support, and are the evil doer who has to respond to all the parents who are, well, just unwilling to see any other position other than the one they specifically want. That's a vice, you didn't put yourself in, and have no power to escape from.

[JPhillips]

The 5th Circuit has ruled that it's unconstitutional to bar guns from people under a domestic violence restraining order.

[GrantDawg]

They are slowly dismantling any gun laws that exist. Basically, going to have to repeal the Second Amendment for any chance of even the simplest gun laws, which is ridiculous.

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[Lathum]

I wish we had moved to the UK 4 years ago when my wife was offered to run it for her company.

This place is so fucked.

[GrantDawg]

At least 5 shot on the campus of Michigan State. Still an Active shooter as of last report.

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[GrantDawg]

So far, they say there was shooting at two separate buildings on campus. Only one shooter, and he is on foot.

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[Ksyrup]

He killed himself. 43 years old, apparently no connection to the school.

School shootings are so popular regular shooters are going there to join in I guess.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

School shootings are so popular regular shooters are going there to join in I guess.

Great fuel for everyone who mocks gun-free school zones.

[PilotMan]

Republicans don't want any limitations on where they can carry guns, even if a business, county, city, etc, says they are not allowed, they fully support the right of someone to carry them from one legal jurisdiction into an illegal one and point to the previous location as the reason they are exempt.

Republicans also want to keep women from being able to go to states where they can get abortions, or to outlaw the abortion pill and and make it an offense if they bring it into, or ship it to, a place where they would love to make it illegal.

Got that? Guns legal everywhere and you can't stop us. Birthing choice for women, totally illegal, we'll tell you when and where to go to have your baby, and God help us if we think you won't, and furthermore, good luck getting any help raising it, because you should have thought of that before you spread your whore legs.

[RainMaker]

No background checks for your gun purchase but we will need you to document your 14 year olds menstrual cycle if she wants to play soccer at school.

[cuervo72]

But I was led to believe murders only happened in big blue cities!

6 dead in Arkabutla, Mississippi shootings; suspect identified