If Trump Loses In November, What Do You Think Happens Next

[RainMaker]

They made a lot of money and didn't accomplish much.

[ISiddiqui]

Holy shit

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/02/12/p...mpression=true

In an expletive-laced phone call with House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy while the Capitol was under attack, then-President Donald Trump said the rioters cared more about the election results than McCarthy did.

"Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are," Trump said, according to lawmakers who were briefed on the call afterward by McCarthy.

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[sterlingice]

These people will still throw away everything for that small man

SI

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

They made a lot of money and didn't accomplish much.

Eh, they did put out some pretty clever anti-Trump ads, so there is that. If nothing else they were entertaining.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

Eh, they did put out some pretty clever anti-Trump ads, so there is that. If nothing else they were entertaining.

It was a grift by a few rich assholes responsible for this shit who didn't change anyone's vote. So much money that could have gone to better causes.

[Brian Swartz]

I think it clearly had some impact. . How much is unknowable, but it's pretty well-established that advertising do change behavior. Nobody would do it otherwhise.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

It was a grift by a few rich assholes responsible for this shit who didn't change anyone's vote. So much money that could have gone to better causes.

But would have probably gone to Amy McGrath's consultants instead.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

I think it clearly had some impact. . How much is unknowable, but it's pretty well-established that advertising do change behavior. Nobody would do it otherwhise.

The whole point was getting Republicans to vote Biden and practically none did.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

But would have probably gone to Amy McGrath's consultants instead.

Or the lady in Maine who got crushed by Collins.

[JPhillips]

At least there was a plausible argument for her. McGrath was always a heroin addict's fever dream.

[GrantDawg]

McConnell says he is going to vote a acquit. With that, once again this is another big waste of time. McCarthy is already on Fox news (which the viewers have not watch a minute of the trial) rewriting history claiming Trump worked tirelessly to get the National Guard to the Capitol to save them. Didn't you know it was really all the Democratic mayors fault? I expect there will be a Trump rally soon were he will exult in his exoneration and announce his 2024 candidacy (gotta keep the donations rolling in). Meanwhile Biden lost a week of his first 100 days. Hey, but at least we can say "twice impeached" which his followers wear as a badge of honor.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

It was a grift by a few rich assholes responsible for this shit who didn't change anyone's vote. So much money that could have gone to better causes.

Well no shit, welcome to politics in general

[ISiddiqui]

https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/stat...194382853?s=19

Looks like we are going to have witnesses.

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[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Meanwhile Biden lost a week of his first 100 days. Hey, but at least we can say "twice impeached" which his followers wear as a badge of honor.

I'm guessing it will be more than a week now if they're calling witnesses

GOP once again playing chess or, at least, checkers while Dems are eating crayons. What stimulus bill and what urgency?

SI

[albionmoonlight]

The impeachment had to happen.

Just because you know the GOP will acquit does not mean that you don't do the right thing.

Why the Dems aren't just wrapping it up, I don't know.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

The impeachment had to happen.

Just because you know the GOP will acquit does not mean that you don't do the right thing.

Why the Dems aren't just wrapping it up, I don't know.

Maybe there's some calculus that we'll have a "you can't handle the truth" or "when the president does it that means that it is not illegal" moment. But anyone paying attention the last 4 years knows that's not going to happen. There is no bridge too far for these people.

This should have been done and over with today. And with Graham voting in favor of it, I'm sure the GOP has some modicum of a plan to make this as painful and stupid as possible for the Dems, which was totally foreseeable.

SI

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

The impeachment had to happen.

Just because you know the GOP will acquit does not mean that you don't do the right thing.

Why the Dems aren't just wrapping it up, I don't know.

I totally agree. The outcome was never in doubt because the Republicans are devout cowards and care more about themselves and own political careers over all else, but it was the right thing to do. History will look back favorably on the dems here and much less so on the Republican Party.

I don’t get this constant tagging on the democrats even within their own party. They won the White House, Senate and the House. Biden has been in office for less than a month.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Maybe there's some calculus that we'll have a "you can't handle the truth" or "when the president does it that means that it is not illegal" moment. But anyone paying attention the last 4 years knows that's not going to happen. There is no bridge too far for these people.

This should have been done and over with today. And with Graham voting in favor of it, I'm sure the GOP has some modicum of a plan to make this as painful and stupid as possible for the Dems, which was totally foreseeable.

SI

I disagree. The stimulus package is still in the same place, will Sinema and Manchin vote for it or demand less? That can be passed any time that that issue is figured out. There won't be GOP support, but based on 2009, there probably wasn't going to be anyway.

Meanwhile, the country needs to know what happened. Wrapping things up because everybody knows isn't true. I still want some sort of public hearings whether it be by a special commission or congressional committees, but if that isn't going to happen this is the forum to make as much as possible public knowledge. If the GOP wants to make it a Mike Lindell style clown show, let them. Every time they show who they are a few people get disgusted and leave.

The GOP is like an aging movie star that's benefitted from low light and a vaseline film on the lens. Let them show who they are on high-def for voters to see clearly.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

I disagree. The stimulus package is still in the same place, will Sinema and Manchin vote for it or demand less? That can be passed any time that that issue is figured out. There won't be GOP support, but based on 2009, there probably wasn't going to be anyway.

Meanwhile, the country needs to know what happened. Wrapping things up because everybody knows isn't true. I still want some sort of public hearings whether it be by a special commission or congressional committees, but if that isn't going to happen this is the forum to make as much as possible public knowledge. If the GOP wants to make it a Mike Lindell style clown show, let them. Every time they show who they are a few people get disgusted and leave.

Right. It isn't like 50+ GOP Senators voted for witnesses. The Democrats have wanted witnesses. They finally got the go-ahead. Drive home what happened. For example the leaked call of McCarthy and Trump was picked up on Twitter and a few message boards, but I don't think it's hit the public consciousness.

[bob]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

but I don't think it's hit the public consciousness.

I suspect far fewer people than you think are paying attention to this at all. Biden is president, most people are moving on with their lives.

I could be wrong, but this is my perception.

[JPhillips]

If the GOP wants to yell at Seth Rich's parents about their ties to Hugo Chavez, well, that's their choice.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by bob

I suspect far fewer people than you think are paying attention to this at all. Biden is president, most people are moving on with their lives.

I could be wrong, but this is my perception.

I think that's always true, but some people are seeing in papers, TV, and media things that they wouldn't otherwise. There's no way for everyone to know, but there are ways to let more people know.

[bob]

Agreed but most people:

1. Saw the videos.
2. know he was impeached
3. Know he won’t be convicted
4. have bills to pay

You could argue this part of the reason we have this collective group of idiots in office

[JPhillips]

I just don't think this delays any legislation and if the GOP wants to go full Newsmax it hurts them. If the plan ends up being depositions that actually speeds up the chance for legislation.

[larrymcg421]

If the Dems didn't impeach Trump or did a shoddy trial of it, they'd be accused of caving in and not trying to hold him accountable. If they go all for it, then they're dumb for not focusing on more important things. No matter what they do, people will try to run with this Dems in Disarray narrative and try to claim that the GOP wanted this all along. I'm so over it.

The Capitol was breached. The Vice President was almost murdered. A sitting Senator was almost murdered. Several others were targeted and would've been murdered if they'd been found. That deserves national, public, daily attention to bring out as much information as possible and it's ridiculously fucking absurd to argue otherwise.

[kingfc22]

Dems are pathetic if they move to just put testimony into the record. Who gives a flying fuck about that.

[larrymcg421]

"Donald Trump incited a riot that almost had members of the government killed and the GOP convinced them to ignore that by playing hardball on COVID relief. Dems always playing checkers when the GOP is playing chess."

[ISiddiqui]

Yep, no matter what some people will always say the Democrats are doing the dumb thing. Short trial = dumb they got played, long trial = dumb they got played, no trial = dumb they got played. And it'll be the same people who do it regardless.

I remember when Elijah Cummings floated that maybe the House should wait to send the Articles of Impeachment over so Biden can get his agenda done. He was savaged. Same people now are annoyed that Impeachment trial is preventing Biden's agenda to be done.

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[JPhillips]

I'm with you guys, but if there is a deal to just put Buetler's statement in the record and call no witnesses, the Dems found the way to piss off everyone.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I totally agree. The outcome was never in doubt because the Republicans are devout cowards and care more about themselves and own political careers over all else, but it was the right thing to do. History will look back favorably on the dems here and much less so on the Republican Party.

I don’t get this constant tagging on the democrats even within their own party. They won the White House, Senate and the House. Biden has been in office for less than a month.

I totally agree and see it mostly in my circle of friends at least not necessarily here for Dems that Biden was not there guy and we’re just waiting for the first chance to throw him and the Dem Congress under the bus.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by bob

I suspect far fewer people than you think are paying attention to this at all. Biden is president, most people are moving on with their lives.

I could be wrong, but this is my perception.

This. There's also people who think it's important but don't place most of the blame for it on Trump, etc Then there's the real fun ones who are all for it and think the problem is it didn't succeed. That's why I was and am against the whole second impeachment, because for it to matter it needed to happen immediately, while Trump was still in office, and there wasn't time for that. Criminal charges for whomever they apply to was and is still the way to go.

[JPhillips]

Fucking Dems.

and this isn't about the recovery bill because the Senate is about to recess for a week.

[Galaril]

Ok on to COVID relief via budget reconciliation, then four years ( or two?) of Rs blocking ALL legislation leaving us with temporary governing via Exec orders.

[bronconick]

This is why people don't take Democratic Party Leadership seriously.

[kingfc22]

One now has to hope the media ignores Trump which of course won't happen and he'll be more powerful moving forward than when he was in office the first time.

Fucking Dems.
Fucking GOP.

[ISiddiqui]

Now they are going to call no witnesses and just put the statement into record. So I'm looking forward to they dumb, they got played. (Tbf, I would have preferred witness testimony)

Live updates: Democrats abandon plan to call witnesses in Trump trial, clearing the way for closing arguments
By John Wagner, Amy B Wang and Felicia Sonmez

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-live-updates/

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[RainMaker]

Democrats miraculously get bipartisan support for witnesses and decide "nah". Unreal incompetence.

[RainMaker]

Democrats: pic.twitter.com/DaS72ntDg1

— Timothy Burke (@bubbaprog) February 13, 2021

[kingfc22]

Schumer needs to go. Single A pitcher going against HOFer in McConnell

[ISiddiqui]

Wow, Burr and Cassidy voted Guilty. The Burr vote came out of nowhere.

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[ISiddiqui]

57 Guilty votes in the end. Cassidy and Burr were the ones who seemed to change their mind.

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The seven Republicans who voted to convict:

Collins
Cassidy
Toomey
Sasse
Burr
Murkowski
Romney

https://t.co/BXpNL1PBfG

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[kingfc22]

America. You are a laughing stock.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Ok on to COVID relief via budget reconciliation, then four years ( or two?) of Rs blocking ALL legislation leaving us with temporary governing via Exec orders.

Dems will lose Congress in 2022.

[sterlingice]

Except for Romney, Murkowski, and maybe Collins, do any of them ever win an election again?

SI

[RainMaker]

I don't think any of the others are running again.

[kingfc22]

McConnell. Vote to acquit. Ten minutes later. Damn this guy was guilty as hell.

Fuck him

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Except for Romney, Murkowski, and maybe Collins, do any of them ever win an election again?

SI

I got a notification from Fox News that said "Here is a list of the Republicans who turned their backs on Trump."

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

I got a notification from Fox News that said "Here is a list of the Republicans who turned their backs on Trump."

Definitely not a cult.

[GrantDawg]

Trump has alreafy made a statement basically "I have been quite for awhile, but I am not going to be any longer."

[ISiddiqui]

Well it's not going to be on Twitter at any rate.

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