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[Danny]

Have you been attacked that much? It seems since your dueling level is low, you're not really worth the xp to duel (which is why I dueled ones much higher level)

[Danny]

And do the attacks have much of a negative effect? When dueling the adventurers I have from their town, they never carry any money, so it's just getting the xp for me. You don't get hit enough to pass out right?

[Coffee Warlord]

Sonia B from Rock Ridge tried to take me on (and failed).

[FrogMan]

Not gonna reply to your two posts Jon, as I don't agree with them and I don't see the point in arguing with you about it. I'll simply say that, like chinaski, I do think there's not that much communication going on in a big town like LVB. And I've lived in the French world with my son, where we are recruiting people we know absolutely nothing about, and I can't know what they are doing all the time. Every time I get hit in that world, I gotta ask myself "did someone from our town do something stupid or is that simply a free hit?".

What I started thinking when seeing how often you got hit has something to do with something you said in this post:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Naturally, Dick Van Dangle came back for a second try, I lose 60-32 on two big hits to the near-to-the-body shoulder. I hit him in rounds 4 & 5 on the near hand but not doing enough damage. I've really got to find a better melee weapon, the sharp razor blade (14-20 damage) just ain't cutting it so to speak.

Oh, he got $0.

Did it occur to you that you might represent the most "duelable" player in town? I mean, a soldier/dueler looks at the map of our quadrant, sees El Dolado, a nice size town with nice level people and they come and see you, an adventurer with a razor, maybe (or maybe not) wearing clothing that are not really defensive (i.e. with high dodging and high tactics bonuses) and that on top of everything, has a nice high level that makes him hittable by level 33 as well as seen by level 22 and lower as a possible win. If that soldier/dueler is looking for an easy target, wouldn't it make sense for him to hit you, or a worker if he's the cowardly type, in hope to make some easy money and exp gains?

Just a thought.

FM

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Danny

Have you been attacked that much? It seems since your dueling level is low, you're not really worth the xp to duel (which is why I dueled ones much higher level)

4x in the last 12 hours, 6x in the last 3 days. And frankly any is an annoyance to me, although I'll admit that kanashintolic was almost as amusing as bothersome just because of the ridiculous nature of his attitude (and because he provided my only win to date)

I've lost $6 to one person, $0 to the rest, and actually made $2 off of kanashidiot. The attackers seem to be strictly in it for the XP as they're usually +/- one level of my regular level and usually about 2-3 dueling levels ahead of me. The XP gains (most recent to oldest) have been 44, 54, 61, (-61), 38, and 11. There hasn't been a single duelist in the bunch, every single one has been a "soldier", most likely looking to plump their duel level a little bit with easy prey instead of tackling other soldiers or duelists.

[FrogMan]

Originally Posted by Danny

I've been to Dick Van Dangle's town twice to duel their members. I've hit adventurers (they actually beat me 3 out of 4 times as they were a much higher level) and duelers. As long as he avoids our workers, I'd say we are fair game.

I see it that way too. Ask a dueler why he dueled you and he'll go "duh, that's what I do, I'm a dueler!". Again, it's the idiots hitting the workers that I hate.

FM

[Danny]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

4x in the last 12 hours, 6x in the last 3 days. And frankly any is an annoyance to me, although I'll admit that kanashintolic was almost as amusing as bothersome just because of the ridiculous nature of his attitude (and because he provided my only win to date)

I've lost $6 to one person, $0 to the rest, and actually made $2 off of kanashidiot. The attackers seem to be strictly in it for the XP as they're usually +/- one level of my regular level and usually about 2-3 dueling levels ahead of me. The XP gains (most recent to oldest) have been 44, 54, 61, (-61), 38, and 11. There hasn't been a single duelist in the bunch, every single one has been a "soldier", most likely looking to plump their duel level a little bit with easy prey instead of tackling other soldiers or duelists.

But has this caused any negative effect? I've only been hit with a duel once on my adventurer and lost, but I didn't lose money and didn't pass out so for all intents and purposes it was like it never happened.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by FrogMan

Not gonna reply to your two posts Jon, as I don't agree with them and I don't see the point in arguing with you about it.

Nope, no point in arguing about it at all. I've made my position on them clear and expressed my considerable frustration with the situation, not much left for me to say beyond that.

Did it occur to you that you might represent the most "duelable" player in town? ... If that soldier/dueler is looking for an easy target, wouldn't it make sense for him to hit you ... Just a thought.

As you'll probably see above, we seem to be thinking along the same lines. So I'll be devoting my attention to correcting that situation & hopefully will eventually be able to provide a little surprise for a few folks who come calling.

[FrogMan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

As you'll probably see above, we seem to be thinking along the same lines. So I'll be devoting my attention to correcting that situation & hopefully will eventually be able to provide a little surprise for a few folks who come calling.

yeah, read your reply afterward. High dodging/high tactics clothing put on as soon as you schedule the job might the be best for you, at least for a little while. And getting a bit better weapon. I think we had some better melee weapons available now in one of our towns.

Incidentally, I'm happy to report that my level 36 (dueling level 37 prior to the attack) worker in the French world won a duel as a defender overnight. Against a dueling level 40 soldier no less. Gotta love that crow bar. After the attack, my guy shows level 38 in dueling. Two level gap, not bad for a worker whos 2-10 all time in duels.

FM

[FrogMan]

dola, my adventurer carries the rusty shotgun at all times, maybe it's scarier than a razor, who knows.

FM

[Alan T]

Jon,

If it is frustrating you a good bit, perhaps you might do better by taking my approach (which was I believe your approach previously that I stole and made it my own). Leave the town, let the town primarily be the workers and duelers, and then only join when you need to make a purchase/donate money.

I know the time between joins increment that way, but I find myself only joining the town once a week or twice a week anyways and just planning my joining a few days ahead of time.

I know you said that the way you feel that you can contribute the most is by helping send out invites, but if this is frustrating you, no sense in that. Why not leave town, and have some peace for a while to respec or build your character the way you want it to be?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Danny

But has this caused any negative effect?

I guess that depends upon whether me being annoyed enough to seriously consider quitting the game entirely a "negative effect". For me, yeah, that's negative impact, everybody else's mileage can & certainly will vary.

I'm really not down with the whole "workers are untouchable", "duelers/soldiers can do whatever as long as it's not a worker", and the attendant "adventurers can just get fucked with, big fucking deal" approach that seems to be part of the game.

Let me be very clear, I do not think that's something unique to the FOFC contingent by any means, it seems to be the overwhelming sentiment across the game in all worlds. Ultimately I'll either be able to transform the character into something more than a human target or I'll walk away & leave it with people more willing to deal with it. In hindsight I now realize that what I should have done was declared worker as my class and then leveled the character however I wanted, live & learn I reckon, bad decision on my part. I failed miserably in adequately understanding the dynamics of the relationships between the classes before choosing, I don't know what else I can say, I fucked that up myself but for whatever reason I really didn't know any better.

{shrug} It'll turn out however it turns out.

[PilotMan]

I think that Jon's biggest problem is that this is keeping him from playing the game the way that he wants and that he is just expressing his frustration about that. FWIW, although I disagree with you, I have the exact same feeling when someone interferes with my enjoyment of something. I find it frustrating almost to the point of quitting. I sympathize with how you feel, but think that the current situation is appropriate within the context of the game.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

I think that Jon's biggest problem is that this is keeping him from playing the game the way that he wants and that he is just expressing his frustration about that.

I'll be damned, somebody not only got it but was able to sum it up incredibly well.

Dead serious, you cannot imagine how much I appreciate you posting that.

[FrogMan]

Jon, how's Borachon doing in world 7 as far as duels go?

My guy's not been hit too much surprisingly enough. In light of the discussion we've been having, I was just wondering.

And I agree with PilotMan's assessment of the situation.

FM

[Danny]

Yeah Jon, I understand you're frustrated. I hope it works out where you start enjoying the game again

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by FrogMan

Jon, how's Borachon doing in world 7 as far as duels go?

Never been touched, nor even looked at as far as I can tell. My guess would be that being such a small fish in a relative big pond makes me less targetable, although that luck could obviously turn on a dime at any moment (and probably will now that I've mentioned it).

[FrogMan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Never been touched, nor even looked at as far as I can tell. My guess would be that being such a small fish in a relative big pond makes me less targetable, although that luck could obviously turn on a dime at any moment (and probably will now that I've mentioned it).

LOL, ever the optimist.

I've been hit a few times. A level 36 worker makes for an easy target and it's made me a bit more nervous in the past few days since I've started doing the iron mining job. That's a high paying job and I will sometimes schedule two two hour sessions on evenings where I take karate class so that around 9pm, I end up with a decent amount of cash on me. So far, so good though, and I can fight with the crow bar now.

FM

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Jon,

If it is frustrating you a good bit, perhaps you might do better by taking my approach (which was I believe your approach previously that I stole and made it my own). Leave the town, let the town primarily be the workers and duelers, and then only join when you need to make a purchase/donate money.

I know the time between joins increment that way, but I find myself only joining the town once a week or twice a week anyways and just planning my joining a few days ahead of time.

I know you said that the way you feel that you can contribute the most is by helping send out invites, but if this is frustrating you, no sense in that. Why not leave town, and have some peace for a while to respec or build your character the way you want it to be?

Precisely how I'm playing as well...mind my own business, for the most part, and plan my town trips in advance to make sure I purchase what I need to purchase as well as make a tidy donation.

I'm likely one item or two away from being able to mine silver and once I'm able to do that I'll complete the quest to earn the free high income bonus and then hopefully fill the banks of both FOFC towns.

[PilotMan]

Streched my dualing legs today and ended up 5/5. Granted I didn't take a whole lot of chances but I managed to end up with 238exp and $220. Not bad for part of a days work. Now put the money in the bank and head out for some turkey.

[DataKing]

Seriously loving the new gun, even if I did lose to Curmudgeon last night. Did 339 points overall to one poor bastard.

[FrogMan]

expanding on who can duel who based solely on dueling level, I've put together a table of the low and high level a certain level can duel, with the best experience gain possible for that level. Here goes:

dueling level	low	high	best exp gain possible
1	1	1	7
2	2	2	9
3	3	4	18
4	3	5	20
5	4	7	29
6	5	8	31
7	5	9	33
8	6	11	42
9	7	12	44
10	8	14	53
11	8	15	55
12	9	16	57
13	10	18	66
14	10	19	68
15	11	21	77
16	12	22	79
17	13	23	81
18	13	25	90
19	14	26	92
20	15	28	101
21	15	29	103
22	16	30	105
23	17	32	114
24	18	33	116
25	18	35	125
26	19	36	127
27	20	37	129
28	20	39	138
29	21	40	140
30	22	42	149
31	23	43	151
32	23	44	153
33	24	46	162
34	25	47	164
35	25	49	173
36	26	50	175
37	27	51	177
38	28	53	186
39	28	54	188
40	29	56	197
41	30	57	199
42	30	58	201
43	31	60	210
44	32	61	212
45	33	63	221
46	33	64	223
47	34	65	225
48	35	67	234
49	35	68	236
50	36	70	245
51	37	71	247
52	38	72	249
53	38	74	258
54	39	75	260
55	40	77	269
56	40	78	271
57	41	79	273
58	42	81	282
59	43	82	284
60	43	84	293
61	44	85	295
62	45	86	297
63	45	88	306
64	46	89	308
65	47	91	317
66	48	92	319

formula for low at level L is: ceiling( 5*L / 7)
formula for high at level L is: floor( 7*L / 5)

FM

[chinaski]

Stoked to be able to do Iron Mining now, I can finally pull my weight somewhat with treasury donations

[FrogMan]

Originally Posted by chinaski

Stoked to be able to do Iron Mining now, I can finally pull my weight somewhat with treasury donations

and iron mining is great for workers to gain experience too.

FM

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by chinaski

I can finally pull my weight somewhat with treasury donations

I see the smiley & I know you were just funning and all but seriously, all of our builders have pulled more than their weight to this point and deserve serious credit for it.

That doesn't mean any of you get to slack off or nothing, but just sayin' ...

[chinaski]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I see the smiley & I know you were just funning and all but seriously, all of our builders have pulled more than their weight to this point and deserve serious credit for it.

That doesn't mean any of you get to slack off or nothing, but just sayin' ...

oooh ive been slacking . But ive also put in 111 hours into building the town, which keeps me from making money. Thats what adventurers are for

I dont know whats been happening in El Dolado, but ive only been able to donate around $700... construction/worker jobs like the constructing the ranch house pay horribly, yet somehow Mustang has been able to donate 2x what i have . I just got done spending all the money ive ever made on a shirt and hat, so from now on I can finally keep a steady stream of cash coming in with Iron Mining making an average of $75 per hour.


My level 26 adventurer has made over 7k, and is holding about 4k in goods right now, wish I could bring him over to one of our towns.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by chinaski

Thats what adventurers are for

When they aren't getting beat down by other duelers and losing their money that is.....

[Danny]

Originally Posted by chinaski

oooh ive been slacking . But ive also put in 111 hours into building the town, which keeps me from making money. Thats what adventurers are for

I dont know whats been happening in El Dolado, but ive only been able to donate around $700... construction/worker jobs like the constructing the ranch house pay horribly, yet somehow Mustang has been able to donate 2x what i have . I just got done spending all the money ive ever made on a shirt and hat, so from now on I can finally keep a steady stream of cash coming in with Iron Mining making an average of $75 per hour.


My level 26 adventurer has made over 7k, and is holding about 4k in goods right now, wish I could bring him over to one of our towns.

Bring him over!

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by chinaski

construction/worker jobs like the constructing the ranch house pay horribly, yet somehow Mustang has been able to donate 2x what i have .

I do have all the premiums turned on and one of them is the 50% pay bonus.

[dolfin]

Originally Posted by chinaski

But ive also put in 111 hours into building the town, which keeps me from making money. Thats what adventurers are for

This made me think of my world 3 adventurer and really wish I would have been part of a better town. 213 hrs building; $24090 to the town. I ended taking over the town because I didn't want all my work to go to waste! Now its down to only 2 other active members, and I decided to join a large union.

If I only knew then what I know now!

[Castlerock]

Just able to pick agaves:
Duration 2 hours
Wages $ 20
Experience points 96 Experience points

I wish I could get a decent wage job though.

[chinaski]

Heres a town wide telegram from Trog of Shearing Shed/LVB

Hiya everyone.

Just a quick note to everyone listing our friends and allies.

Do not attack any of the following towns;

Eagles Towns
Rock Ridge
Hotel California
FOFC Towns

There will be no exceptions made from this point.
If you attack any of these towns, then we will remove you.

If you are hit by anyone from these towns, then please message your towns founder and they will deal with it. Do not attack them back.

Regards,

Trog

[FrogMan]

Originally Posted by chinaski

Heres a town wide telegram from Trog of Shearing Shed/LVB

he probably just read my telegrams I sent last night. I'll see what he had to say when I get home...

FM

[ozias]

Originally Posted by FrogMan

I'm not so sure they were coming after our guys. Looks more like one of them was wandering around and got to our town, found a worker to hit, and well, workers can't defend themselves, so he hit him.

Have fun still. Looks like two of them just recently got knocked out too.

FM

Well I beat 3 of them, can't get to the other two, as they're in the hotel, but I did some damage. Wish I hadn't deleted the duels, or I'd have better info to provide, but I did deal out 208 points of damage in one duel.

Raising my "Aim" when I respec'd has done wonders. My aim is 38 with 19 for shooting.

I guess it's time ot go after another person. Do we have a hit list anywhere?

[JonInMiddleGA]

It's gotta be about the cheap XP

Just took an 86-15 loss to Dick Van Dangle again, only hours after he got $0, this time he gets $1 and 42 XP.

edit to add:

Okay, so if I understand the social graces of this, then his townie Dogzilla, who is a Lvl 19/Duel Lvl 21 prospector/adventurer is considered fair game for me to attack. Right?

And in order to do so, I need to visit the Saltpoint Creek saloon to make the challenge & execute the attack, where he is doesn't matter one bit and even if he were standing right next to me at the same job location I still have to go to his town saloon. Right?

[DataKing]

What town is Dick from & how far away is it? Also, what dueling level is he? I'm thinking somebody should pay him a visit.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by DataKing

What town is Dick from & how far away is it? Also, what dueling level is he? I'm thinking somebody should pay him a visit.

And if I understand things correctly (after reading the dueling rules two more times) then hitting Saltpoint Creek (one quadrant to our west) is the only way to get this guy off our doorstep where he is presumably camped out.

If so, is this the point where I say how incredibly stupid that combat dynamic seems to be?

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

And if I understand things correctly (after reading the dueling rules two more times) then hitting Saltpoint Creek (one quadrant to our west) is the only way to get this guy off our doorstep where he is presumably camped out.

If so, is this the point where I say how incredibly stupid that combat dynamic seems to be?

Wherever he is you go to if you duel him.

[DataKing]

I was thinking about laying the wood to him and some of the adventurers in his town...see how they like it. The minute I think I should just stick to fights with other duelists and soldiers, somebody like this comes along and ticks me off.

[Coffee Warlord]

I'll be taking a nap, dumping my money off, and raiding the living shit outta that town.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Wherever he is you go to if you duel him.

So I go to his saloon first ?
"You then need to go to the town of the player you want to challenge and go to the saloon. You see a list of all the members of the town and you can challenge them. The other player does not have to be in the town right now, he also doesn't have to be online.")

and THEN I travel again to wherever he is currently? What if he moves?

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

So I go to his saloon first ?
"You then need to go to the town of the player you want to challenge and go to the saloon. You see a list of all the members of the town and you can challenge them. The other player does not have to be in the town right now, he also doesn't have to be online.")

and THEN I travel again to wherever he is currently? What if he moves?

I always just search guys and duel them that way, I never go to the saloon.

[ozias]

I think all you need to do is go to there town.

I had 3 duels with people from New Caprica, and once I was there I didn't have to travel any further.

[chinaski]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

So I go to his saloon first ?
"You then need to go to the town of the player you want to challenge and go to the saloon. You see a list of all the members of the town and you can challenge them. The other player does not have to be in the town right now, he also doesn't have to be online.")

and THEN I travel again to wherever he is currently? What if he moves?

Distance to the duel is always based on their towns Saloon, you do not go to the place where they are working. faik.

[chinaski]

dola, which i hate, because if someones traveled 8 hours and is camping my town, I have to travel 8 hours even though im "standing right next to them" so to speak.

[DataKing]

Right. Walk to their town, then challenge them to a duel. 10 minutes later, BANG! That's why sometimes a number of our people get hit at the same time...somebody walks to El Dolado or Troutville, then works down the list duelling people they think they can beat.

[DataKing]

Dola...and yes I agree, it makes no sense whatsoever.

[chinaski]

Originally Posted by chinaski

Distance to the duel is always based on their towns Saloon, you do not go to the place where they are working. faik.

aaaand ddola, just to clarify - when you click duel you always travel to their saloon automatically, you dont need to go to their town first etc - just click duel and once the duel is over youll be in there town. I like to queue a duel and then a hotel stay following, so i dont get hit (incase my hp is really low).

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by chinaski

dola, which i hate, because if someones traveled 8 hours and is camping my town, I have to travel 8 hours even though im "standing right next to them" so to speak.

Okay, so if he goes to sleep during my travel time (based on where I am currently to his saloon) then I get the "tried to duel but asleep" message like I saw someone get on me earlier?

In other words as an attacker you don't want to launch an attack until you're fairly close to their town already (which you could theoretically do just by finding their name & selecting "Duel" in their profile)?

Sorry if I'm asking too many/too stupid questions, but I really don't understand (or at least ain't sure I understand).

[chinaski]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Okay, so if he goes to sleep during my travel time (based on where I am currently to his saloon) then I get the "tried to duel but asleep" message like I saw someone get on me earlier?

Yup exactly, its a semi-crapshoot, more so based on distance . I tend to pick towns where I can have a few dueling options just in case my main target has gone to sleep by the time i get there.

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

In other words as an attacker you don't want to launch an attack until you're fairly close to their town already (which you could theoretically do just by finding their name & selecting "Duel" in their profile)?

Yea, thats one way of doing it for sure. Would eliminate stumbling across people who have gone to sleep basically. I just go for towns with multiple options. Its pretty tough finding good dueling targets, I tend to go for places 2-6 hours away, medium sized towns with a low level bank Doesnt leave a lot of choices.