Werewolf: The Rebirth (Game Over! Thank you for playing)

[ntndeacon]

Heal Thomkal

[ntndeacon]

Vote DanGarion

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by timmae

sorry about that suicane... bedside manner is not my strong suit, lol! Please provide additional input across the board... not sure where we need to go from this point forward...

Not sure what I can provide. I have had very little to do and I really don't understand what happened to me last night other than I was beat up. I'm assuming it was an interrogation, if so I'd like my name cleared. If it was something else I'm in the dark.

Concerning health, even if I take another beating the same level of last night I'll be alive, so I'm not too worried. Don't really know what's up with Thom but if his head is still in the game I'm more concerned with getting him healed up than me.

[timmae]

Shoveler... Did you learn anything last night??!

[Shoveler]

Originally Posted by timmae

Shoveler... Did you learn anything last night??!

At this point I don't think it is in my best interest or the colonies best interest to divulge my findings. When the time is right I will let you know.

[Grover]

Work on Biodome

[Raven]

I'm struggling here. The major issue is I don't know if the groups (The Reistance, and the other) are good or bad...

[timmae]

A noobs take...

The Resistance = Newly formed after martial law? Fontisian. There is a (are) supporter(s).
Seeker of Truth = Werewolf (bad), Britrock only one so far. Assumed to be others.
Colonists = Villagers
Stowaway = could be any of the 3 groups
Murderer = could be any of the 3 groups

[timmae]

Not sure if that is accurate... Does it make sense that they each had a night kill on Day 7. Need help here.

[DanGarion]

I really don't get the votes for me now. I haven't been anywhere near the recent deaths... Very confused.

[timmae]

All of the deaths the last 2 days have been NK's, right?

[timmae]

Brit was caught in a trap the same night JAG was killed. I assume Brit's was a failed murder try and his ally killed JAG.

[timmae]

I can try to put a timeline of all of the kills together tomorrow unless someone has time before then. I still think the murderer was busy early and then stopped or transformed at some point.

[Thomkal]

Okay I've recovered from my bout of frustration enough to talk here again. I apologize once again to one and all. I am in need of medical help and I see that ntn has already offered to heal me. Thank you ntn. Having said that I am leery of ntn a bit. Both Autumn and Chief Rum were "good" I believe, and I feel someone from medical has to be a bad guy. It looks like I have no choice but to appoint ntn unless someone steps forward to say they can do the job.

As for police force there are only two people I can semi-trust for the position at this point-dangarion and suicane. I know both are not the murderer, but that's all I know about them. So I'm looking for any non-wolf, non-murderer. non-resistance member left out there to join the police force.

See you in the morning.

[Shoveler]

Given the circumstances of the secret vote I have 2 theories. Trying to conform these to what I know about WW so I may be dead wrong.

Theory 1
Resistance lead by Font formed after losing the leadership vote, members probably include a few people that voted for font.
Seekers - The current faction in charge lead by Thomkal seeks to remain in power - members probably include a few people that voted for Thomkal
Angel of Mercy - Serial Killer
Colonists - Everyone else


Theory 2
Resistance - Lead by Font, same as theory 1
Seekers - There were abstainers in the original vote towards the end, this could be a group that didn't vote for either Thomkal or Font.
Angel of Mercy - Serial Killer from the beginning of the game
Colonists - Everyone else led by Thomkal

I'm not sure what the end game is for any of these groups. I would imagine it has something to do with dispatching the other groups and maybe obtaining the leadership role? Maybe the surviving colonists can win with the resistance or the seekers? Going to guess the angel of mercy will need to be lynched at some point however.

Anyhow, that is what I have at this point regarding how i think the game is shaping out.

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

As for police force there are only two people I can semi-trust for the position at this point-dangarion and suicane. I know both are not the murderer, but that's all I know about them. So I'm looking for any non-wolf, non-murderer. non-resistance member left out there to join the police force.

See you in the morning.

I don't really think I'm qualified skill wise for the job, but I'd rather do it over Dan, who I'm not sold on.

[DanGarion]

Well I know why Thomkal can trust me. I trust him and if he trusts Suicane I'm behind him being in the police force.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by timmae

Brit was caught in a trap the same night JAG was killed. I assume Brit's was a failed murder try and his ally killed JAG.

.

I was also injured in a trap. But I received no indication that it was a murder attempt on me. My assumption was that I was the unlucky one to trigger it and that brit's injury, like mine, was randomly triggered. BUt I could be wrong here.

I also was under the impression that THomkal and fontisian were injured in a trap, so their injuries appeared to me to be similar.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Having said that I am leery of ntn a bit. Both Autumn and Chief Rum were "good" I believe, and I feel someone from medical has to be a bad guy.

Agreed. The death of Chief and Autumn sure appears to be opportunistic for ntn to rise to head doctor.

My opinion is either ntn is responsible for their deaths to increase his own stature, or ntn is a next target (in an attempt to kill all of our medical staff to prevent us from healing each other).

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by timmae

Thought for the group... could the wolves be those that did not vote for Thom? How many were there that voted Font? Just throwing things out there.

Reading through and don't want to go back to reply to stuff. I voted font and I'm not a wolf. I pwomise.

[Narcizo]

Hah! Spidey-sense = success. I just KNEW Britrock was trying to buy trust/pull a scan by switching his vote at the end of the day. Pity you've only got my word for that.

NO WAY he does that if DanGarion is on his wolf team. Every villager voting DanGarion needs to move their votes elsewhere. I don't think I can stress this too much. The cunning would not play vote jump to save a team member.

[Narcizo]

Oh wow! I just read all this stuff closely now. I now wish everybody would forget post #2920. Thank you very much.

So two wolf teams. And the lone killer hit fonti and she brutaled the cunning? Whaddardaodds?

[Narcizo]

Day Seven

#2192 23:37 Thomkal votes Zinto (1)
#2267 13:08 Narcizo votes Crimson (1)
#2296 14:49 Suicane votes DanGarion (1)
#2317 15:13 Raven votes fontisian (1)
#2333 15:30 DanGarion votes DanGarion (2)
#2340 15:37 timmae votes DanGarion (3)
#2349 15:59 Shark votes Crimson (2)
#2365 16:37 timmae unvotes DanGarion (2)
#2367 16:40 timmae votes GoldenEagle (1)
#2374 16:57 saldana votes DanGarion (3)

#2391 17:38 Crimson votes Sharkn (1)
#2392 17:39 DanGarion unvotes DanGarion (2)
#2392 17:39 DanGarion votes Zinto (2)
#2402 17:52 Jackal votes GoldenEagle (2)
#2409 18:00 Shoveler votes GoldenEagle (3)
#2417 18:12 DanGarion unvotes Zinto (1)
#2417 18:12 DanGarion votes Crimson (3)
#2438 18:47 Fontisian votes DanGarion (3)
#2444 19:25 Grover votes GoldenEagle (4)
#2448 19:39 Autumn votes Crimson (4)
#2453 19:53 Ntndeacon votes GoldenEagle (5)
#2455 19:56 Chief Rum votes DanGarion (4)
#2458 20:06 JAG votes DanGarion (5)
#2459 20:10 Zinto votes Crimson (5)
#2480 20:56 Britrock votes Crimson (6)

#2487 21:16 Suicane unvotes DanGarion (4)
#2487 21:16 Suicane votes GoldenEagle (6)
#2501 21:40 Crimson unvotes Sharkn (0)
#2501 21:40 Crimson votes DanGarion (5)
#2513 21:47 GoldenEagle votes Crimson (7)
#2528 20:01 Crimson unvotes DanGarion (4)
#2528 20:01 Crimson votes GoldenEagle (7)
#2554 20:31 Thomkal unvotes Zinto (0)
#2554 20:31 Thomkal votes GoldenEagle (8)
#2563 20:36 Britrock unvotes Crimson (6)
#2563 20:36 Britrock votes GoldenEagle (9)
#2565 20:37 Saldana unvotes DanGarion (5)
#2563 20:37 Saldana votes GoldenEagle (10)

Final Vote

GoldenEagle 10 - timmae (2367), The Jackal (2402), Shoveler (2409), Grover (2444), ntndeacon (2453), Suicane75 (2487), CrimsonFox (2528), Thomkal (2554), britrock88 (2563), saldana (2565)
CrimsonFox 5 - Narcizo (2267), sharkn20 (2349), DanGarion (2417), Autumn (2448), Zinto (2459), GoldenEagle (2513)
DanGarion 3 - fontisian (2438), Chief Rum (2455), JAG (2458)
fontisian 1 - Raven (2317)

[Narcizo]

Day Eight

#2628 06:21 Narcizo votes Jackal (1)
#2655 10:42 Autumn votes Shoveler (1)
#2698 14:15 Crimson votes Shark (1)
#2699 14:25 Shark votes Crimson (1)
#2718 15:35 Timmae votes Saldana (1)
#2746 17:17 Britrock votes Saldana (2)
#2760 18:00 Golden votes Shark (2)
#2770 19:32 Saldana votes DanGarion (x)
#2771 19:43 Grover votes Saldana (3)

#2773 19:47 Suicane votes DanGarion (1)
#2774 19:47 Jackal votes DanGarion (2)
#2775 19:49 Shoveler votes Saldana (4)
#2777 19:52 Ntndeacon votes DanGarion (3)
#2780 19:54 Zinto votes Shark (3)
#2788 20:02 DanGarion votes Saldana (5)
#2790 20:06 Raven votes DanGarion (4)

#2798 21:46 Thomkal votes Saldana (6)
#2801 20:15 Font votes Saldana (7)
#2817 22:56 Brit unvotes Saldana (6)
#2817 22:56 Brit votes DanGarion (5)
#2818 22:57 Grover unvotes Saldana (5)
#2818 22:57 Grover votes DanGarion (6)
#2821 23:00 Britrock unvotes DanGarion (5)
#2821 23:00 Britrock votes Saldana (6)

saldana 6 - timmae (2717), britrock88 (2820), Shoveler (2775), DanGarion (2788), Thomkal (2798), fontisian (2801)
DanGarion 5 - Suicane75 (2773), The Jackal (2774), ntndeacon (2777), Raven (2790), Grover (2818)
Sharkn20 3 - CrimsonFox (2698), GoldenEagle (2760), Zinto (2780)
The Jackal 1 - Narcizo (2628)
Shoveler 1 - Autumn (2655)
CrimsonFox 1 - Sharkn20 (2699)

[Narcizo]

Okay if there's two wolf teams then I take it back about DanGarion definitely not being a wolf. Obviously he could be on fonti's team OR the wolf teams are so small that Britrock felt like he had to make the save once Grover followed him onto DanGarion. I still feel that the chances of DanGarion being on Britrock's team are minimal and there are better percentage shots at wolves out there.

[Narcizo]

So with two teams the voting records have to be treated with caution. Brit pushed Crimson in the lead on day seven which gives Crimson some trust vis-a-vis being a member of the Truth Seekers but he could still be a member of the Resistance. However it makes less sense to vote for him because he is a lower percentage play.

The fact that there's a cunning in the game makes me think that there must be a seer as well. Dunno if that's Shoveler although you have to wonder why he's still alive if that's the case.

I'm thinking that there were 3 or 4 wolves in each team. If they are mutually ignorant of each other then there could be four making it 12:4:4 when we started the voting and now making it 8:3:3 (or 7:3:3:1 if you count in the Angel). Which isn't ideal to be honest. Only one night kill last night so either one of the kill conditions is based on health and physical ability or wolf kills don't effect other wolves and one of the teams hit the other. What a mess.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by timmae

I can try to put a timeline of all of the kills together tomorrow unless someone has time before then. I still think the murderer was busy early and then stopped or transformed at some point.

Or he was in jail during the period he didn't make any attacks. Are we certain that Crimson can't be the Angel? He was resistant to Shoveler which would be only fair for a lone killer. (being caught be a seer scan would be tough). The attacks stopped while he was in prison. Do we actually know he's the stowaway? We've only got his word for that. Maybe he's hunting the stowaway so he hoped to flush him out with a fake reveal. Or he suspects that the stowaway is hunting him and wants him to reveal so he knows who's after him.

That being said I don't see any reason to target him with a vote ahead of possible wolves. Were I a wolf I'd seriously think about using my night kill on the Angel anyway.

[Narcizo]

Okey then.

From the vote records I probably have most trust for Grover. Unless there's two cunnings I don't really see what a wolf Grover would be hoping to gain by switching from a villager to an unknown at that time. I can't imagine it was coordinated with Brit. I guess if Grover thought DanGarion was on the other wolf team he might want to nail him more than a villager but we don't even know that the wolves knew there was another team at this stage. I don't think DanGarion is a truth seeker either, given Brit's fannying around last night. Fonti voted him to keep him in a three-way race on day seven as well. Wolf-wolf voting isn't unheard of but I don't really think that fonti needs to vote a team member there so I'm pretty happy with DanGarion.

Suicane, Jackal and NTN all pushed DanGarion into the race around 8pm. At the time it was only really Shark and Saldana. As Sal was villager that doesn't look too suspect. Could one of them be trying to shift attention from Shark. Possibly but what of it? Unfortunately we can't really afford to lynch NTN at this point as he's the last of the medical specialists.

At the moment I don't think enough has changed to justify me not voting the same way as yesterday.

Vote Jackal

[Sharkn20]

vote: Work on the biodome

Nothing to research so I will follow my scientific leader anyway to do my best in the biodome

[Grover]

Good morning all!

I'll be slowly making my way through Narc's soliloquy and posting some thoughts from there.

[Narcizo]

Is everyone agreed that Shoveler is the seer then? What with the Suicane thing and whatnot. Why on Ea ... Mars is he still alive then? OK I can maybe buy Britrock wanting to keep Shoveler alive so he could scan him but shouldn't he have been the first nightkill target?

Unfortunately with everyone knowing that you've scanned Suicane, you're not likely to get much information by sitting on the result Shoveler. Generally it would be the correct play to try and get information but that's not going to happen here.

I'm going to assume that Suicane is villager for my purposes as if he turns up wolf then he's going to get strung up today whatever I say. If that information is forthcoming before about 15:00 EST then I'll switch my order. Otherwise we have a strong motive for keeping Suicane alive as he'll be a cleared villager.

heal Suicane

[timmae]

Thanks Narc and Shark. We are set on the biodome I think. Very good analysis Narc... I will have some thoughts later this morning. This sure is an interesting one.. Darn EF and his maniac mind!

[timmae]

Could someone have been a bodyguard? We have seen a duke...

[Grover]

Originally Posted by timmae

Could someone have been a bodyguard? We have seen a duke...

I feel like we did have someone protected further back, like 15 or 20 pages back.

[Narcizo]

So a quick look at the activity

#1033 Day Two Schmidty killed by Angel
#1286 Day Two End Chief Rum interrogated by Shoveler
#1535 Day Four Danny killed by Angel
#1693 Day Four End Raven "accident"
#1693 Day Four End Crimson interrogated by Shoveler
#1950 Day Five End Crimson imprisoned
#2190 Day Six End Zinto imprisoned
#2602 Night Seven Chief Rum killed by the Resistance. JAG killed by Truth Seekers. Britrock caught in trap.
#2823 Day Eight End Suicane interrogated by Shoveler.
#2825 Evening Eight Thomkal and Font trapped. GoldenEagle imprisoned
#2826 Night Eight Autumn killed by the Resistance.
#2862 Day Nine. Font killed by Angel. Britrock killed by Font.

Thinking about the Angel. Maybe he places a trap or kill someone who is wounded. Maybe there's only a limited chance of each trap being triggered which would also explain the break in killings or traps. So Crimson might not be the Angel after all.

It looks like the Truth Seekers missed a kill last night. Explanations:
1) Bodyguard block
2) Both kills placed on Autumn, so only one could work
3) Truth Seekers have limited night kills
4) Golden had the order to kill and was in prison and the Seekers didn't change the order

[Zinto]

I agree that the angel of mercy put people out of their misery if they are critically wounded. If we cannot get Thomkal properly healed I wouldn't be surprised to see him end up dead tomorrow.

[Zinto]

There is no way that it was a block yesterday for the seekers of truth. Brit was one and he was the bodyguard.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by timmae

Could someone have been a bodyguard? We have seen a duke...

It seems that the police force handle our seer and bodyguard role. And that we can keep assigning people to those tasks.

[Zinto]

I don't know what to make of Shoveler's ability. I don't think he is a true seer with our ability to continue to assign people to the police force and one of the roles having a seer ability.

[Zinto]

Unless I am wrong and that was a one time thing. But it seemed like the two deputies for Thom gained a block and a scan after he took power.

[Narcizo]

I'm reconsidering about Jackal. It looks as though the Fonti-led team whacked Chief Rum and Autumn which is exactly where I would expect Fonti to go with her kills. The team with Britrock took out Jag. That's exactly where I would expect Britrock to hit on his first night of a kill. So we don't need Jackal to be a wolf to explain Jag being hit. He could still be a wolf but the percentages are a bit lower now.

I'm getting a gut-feeling that Shark is a bad 'un. Well, him and timmae, but timmae's helpfullness to the colony while no guarantee of his allegiance makes me less inclined to vote for him. Bear in mind that my gut-feelings are generally worse than useless.

Unvote Jackal
Vote Shark

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Zinto

There is no way that it was a block yesterday for the seekers of truth. Brit was one and he was the bodyguard.

Whaaa? I don't remember that. This game and this thread have gone on too long to keep track of all this stuff.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Okay JAG and Britrock listen up please

The new way the sheriff orders work is that I can suggest an order that I would like you to do for us, with whom I might want to apply it to, you then have to send in the order to EF (via PM) with whom you personally want the order to apply to. if you choose someone different, please tell me after the deadline so I know. I trust you judgment by now on this. or if you have info I don't know about yet. Here's the first two orders I have for you:

1. Britrock-please choose someone to guard tonight. Maybe one of the vote-getters? Up to you to decide.

2. JAG-you get the new order available to us-scan. You can scan and find out things about your target. please wait until I tell you what you found out. I would think that someone who spoke out against me who be a good target, or one of the lead vote-getters. It is your decision however.

Both must PM EF this before deadline

I am getting that from this.

[Zinto]

I also think it is kind of wonky for Brit to do that vote change just to get scanned. It will take at least a day for him to get scanned(maybe more because there wasn't a seer on the police force at the time). All while getting added pressure on himself. It is just an odd move.

[Grover]

Nice work, Narc!

I've had the feeling that GoldenEagle has been on the wrong side the entire game, though maybe only since Thomal assumed power and everything went tits up. He has rubbed me wrong from the start. With his posturing that he is the best at science and engineering while being extremely vague about his computer programming past.

He's also tried to oust me from my position. Why is he going after me the way he is? Why the personal attacks on my character and my position?

I don't like the smell of it and haven't since Day Zero.

Vote GoldenEagle

[timmae]

wow, lots to sift through... thanks for the summary posts Narc. Huge help if we are to gain an advantage here.

OOC: With the time stamps are you a 3rd shifter or across the pond? No biggie just wondering...

I took a look at my notes and Brit didn't draw a ton of suspicion but he didn't have me feeling good about him either. Makes me think that he was playing middle of the road according to my plus/minus system. Similar players according to my notes, for what it is worth, are Jackal, ntn, suicane and zinto. Just saying.. hopefully I can add more in depth review later today.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Zinto

I also think it is kind of wonky for Brit to do that vote change just to get scanned. It will take at least a day for him to get scanned(maybe more because there wasn't a seer on the police force at the time). All while getting added pressure on himself. It is just an odd move.

You really think that the cunning is going to tie themselves to a wolf so clearly? In a game with two factions so he doesn't even know if DanGarion is going to be nightkilled by the other faction or by the lone killer. If DanGarion is a wolf then as soon as he dies then everyone is going to vote Britrock next time. I'll give you that it looks like a rushed thing so he might have panicked when Grover moved his vote.

If he's voting between two villagers then he can hope to get a scan and if nothing else he gets the benefit of the doubt (from me at least) when Dangarion and Saldana both show up villager. Late vote switching between villagers is generally seen as a villager trait I believe. If someone calls him out on it then his argument is that it would only make sense for him to do that if he and DanGarion are wolves together and we should check DanGarion first.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by timmae

Makes me think that he was playing middle of the road according to my plus/minus system. Similar players according to my notes, for what it is worth, are Jackal, ntn, suicane and zinto.

NTN in "NOT UNDER THE RADAR" shocker! Thought to be middle of the range. etc etc etc

[Narcizo]

Oh! People need to stop voting based on whether they feel people have been wanting their job or, basically, because of anything that happened in the first four or five days. That was a different game. We all have our personal victory conditions but I really don't see them as being indicative of wolfishness. Particularly not the Resistance who probably only became "wolves" after Thomkal came to power. So maybe Thomkal is a rejuvenated Nazi general. I don't care. I only care if he is a wolf.

[timmae]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

NTN in "NOT UNDER THE RADAR" shocker! Thought to be middle of the range. etc etc etc

How does ntn usually play?! I must say I am at a disadvantage (or depending on the game not a disadvantage) as I don't know the styles of any players...