Pro Wrestling Discussion Thread **Spoilers Possible**

[JonInMiddleGA]

re: "someone very important" -- Linda & her political campaign perhaps?

Which would make sense with regard to bringing him back when it blows over, it's really not that long until she's either won or lost that race.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Latest reports I've seen indicated that it was not related to creative, so that would eliminate Heyman/Sullivan as the topic. Hell it's probably the reformation of Benjamin/Haas or the hiring of some reality show star.



Almost certainly this. The last time she used that sort of hype it was the hiring of Ken Anderson (nee Kennedy)

That said however ... I wonder what the timing sequence of Danielson's (allegedly) being told he was fired versus her Twitter was? And whether a non-compete applies if he was indeed future endeavored.

Johnson on PWI did say he believes there will be a debut or return at the show but he doesn't believe it'll be like Batista or anyone of that nature. I really don't know who it could be.

[JonInMiddleGA]

re: the Dixie surprise

According to reports, TNA’s upcoming changes are much larger than just a switch on the creative side. Dixie Carter has described the changes as “true change.”

The changes are all the talk within TNA right now but nobody really knows what Dixie is planning. Dixie is keeping quiet on what’s about to happen and only telling people “cryptic messages” about being on the same page.

The surprise planned for Slammiversary and the big changes she has been teasing are expected to be two different things.

Dixie wrote this on Twitter last night: “Just got off phone w/Spike prez Kevin Kay. He is all in and agrees this will change TNA on every level.”
New Details on TNA’s Major Changes Planned | WRESTLESCOOP.COM


Here's a couple of thoughts, purely from my own top of mind
1) What's the status of Good Ol' JR's contract and/or non-compete?
2) Maybe a breakaway show or specified segment for the Knockouts?

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

re: the Dixie surprise

According to reports, TNA’s upcoming changes are much larger than just a switch on the creative side. Dixie Carter has described the changes as “true change.”

The changes are all the talk within TNA right now but nobody really knows what Dixie is planning. Dixie is keeping quiet on what’s about to happen and only telling people “cryptic messages” about being on the same page.

The surprise planned for Slammiversary and the big changes she has been teasing are expected to be two different things.

Dixie wrote this on Twitter last night: “Just got off phone w/Spike prez Kevin Kay. He is all in and agrees this will change TNA on every level.”
New Details on TNA’s Major Changes Planned | WRESTLESCOOP.COM


Here's a couple of thoughts, purely from my own top of mind
1) What's the status of Good Ol' JR's contract and/or non-compete?
2) Maybe a breakaway show or specified segment for the Knockouts?

1) He said on his blog he signed a new deal with WWE. It allows him to pursue outside broadcasting (MMA, football) but obviously not TNA.

2) Been rumored a while, I could see that.

I wonder if perhaps TNA is going getting some sort of prime time live specials like Clash of the Champions?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

I wonder if perhaps TNA is going getting some sort of prime time live specials like Clash of the Champions?

Eh, doesn't really fit IMO, not based on the wording of her tweet about the head of Spike TV being all in, etc. To me it sounded more like she let him in on the change, rather than him being a major catalyst to the news.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Eh, doesn't really fit IMO, not based on the wording of her tweet about the head of Spike TV being all in, etc. To me it sounded more like she let him in on the change, rather than him being a major catalyst to the news.

Good point. I never read that tweet until after I posted it. Could be something different with PPV's? Another rumor a while back was that she wanted to cut down on the number of PPV's they run to make them more important. I don't know why that would be a big change though.

Another thing I read on PWI earlier was along the lines of don't expect Shane McMahon to show up or anything, but I could see something like that tbqh. Well maybe I can't see it, but it fits.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Another thing I read on PWI earlier was along the lines of don't expect Shane McMahon to show up or anything, but I could see something like that tbqh. Well maybe I can't see it, but it fits.

Dana White?

I'm kidding but that would fit the description IMO.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Dana White?

I'm kidding but that would fit the description IMO.

Yeah, I do agree though, I feel it makes sense for it to be like that. Perhaps she will announce a new investor (you know, a real one, not Mick Foley)?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Yeah, I do agree though, I feel it makes sense for it to be like that. Perhaps she will announce a new investor (you know, a real one, not Mick Foley)?

[bulletsponge]

im not buying Daniel getting fired over choking the announcer, he got fired for spitting on the golden boys face

[Terps]

Apparently Mattell were the ones who complained, and WWE would rather lose Danielson than a big money sponsor.

I've read that he'll be back when it all blows over though.

[DeToxRox]

Not even Dixie can be this dumb, but who knows, it does seem par the course for her "huge announcements". A few places are speculating that she will announce TNA will broadcast in 3D. Considering that like 20 people in TNA's audience probably have a 3DTV, I'd say this would be absurd on her TNA's part. It seems off though with the fact that she let Spike's president know about it, as I am assuming Spike would be involved in this from the outset and not just told it's happening.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Terps

Apparently Mattell were the ones who complained, and WWE would rather lose Danielson than a big money sponsor.

I've read that he'll be back when it all blows over though.

Heard the interview where one insider talked about it and said it was somebody outside of the company forcing WWE's hand and Bryan was just the fall guy. Maybe was used a number of times in terms of describing if he was going to come back after a time.

Here's the download of the interview.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BO6QFQ9Z

[bulletsponge]

heres an online petition to sign to get Daniel reinstated. wont do much likely, but it will give you a chance to vent. i signed 2 times with my different email accounts

http://www.petitiononline.com/bdaniels/petition.html

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Not even Dixie can be this dumb, but who knows, it does seem par the course for her "huge announcements". A few places are speculating that she will announce TNA will broadcast in 3D. Considering that like 20 people in TNA's audience probably have a 3DTV, I'd say this would be absurd on her TNA's part. It seems off though with the fact that she let Spike's president know about it, as I am assuming Spike would be involved in this from the outset and not just told it's happening.

As mentioned in the interview I posted, 3D is too expensive for no real return outside of them saying they got to do it first. WWE added HD which cost them a bunch and their numbers didn't change. Rereading what Dixie is saying, she mentions Spike is giving it the thumbs up, so I'm wondering if it isn't ownership related.

[RainMaker]

Is Mattel really that big of a sponsor? They seem to have a lot of sponsors on the show and I can't fathom they would have trouble finding replacements who would want to reach that audience demographic.

Just seems a little out there to have one sponsor destroy their product for a large percent of the fanbase.

I still think this has more to do with Linda's Senate campaign.

[molson]

Cena tweet regarding Danielson:

"I am very upset to hear about the release of bryan danielson. Social networks were formed so people would have a voice, and an opinon. I Know you all have your own, theories and whatnot. I respect that. I have never asked any of you to feel a certaint way about me. But Bryan left a lasting impression on the wwe universe in a very short time, and although it came at my expense, I agree with the majority Of you who are caught off guard by this choice."

That sure took a lot of steam out of the awesome NXT angle. I don't know. Maybe he comes back when whatever this is "blows over" but I somehow doubt it.

I'm assuming that he didn't just choke Roberts on his own, though I guess that's possible. If the workers are told to not "Benoit" anybody, than he needed to go because you can't have loose cannons on a live mainstream wrestling show doing their own thing.

[RainMaker]

The angle isn't lacking steam, it's dead.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Is Mattel really that big of a sponsor? They seem to have a lot of sponsors on the show and I can't fathom they would have trouble finding replacements who would want to reach that audience demographic.

Just seems a little out there to have one sponsor destroy their product for a large percent of the fanbase.

I still think this has more to do with Linda's Senate campaign.

Mattel is a big sponsor, but they have been dealing with the WWE far too long for them to get mad about this. Even if they did, the WWE would hopefully back up their own talent. If this ruffled the feathers of somebody in Linda's campaign committee, then I can see where they felt less inclined to stick out their necks for him. It's one thing to piss off a sponsor. It's another to piss off the boss's wife.

[RainMaker]

Exactly. I just don't see Mattel halting operations on all their WWE toys and ads because they wouldn't fire one guy who went too far during a segment.

[DeToxRox]

So regardining Dixie's announcement:

Dave Scherer at PWI received an anonymous e-mail (he cannot confirm it's validity obviously) but the idea intrigued him enough to post (he noted it is pure speculation at this point though the sender claims to be with TNA). Anyway, the e-mail stated that TNA will stop with PPV's altogether and instead do live shows on Spike instead.

This actually would make sense since most likely TNA doesn't draw big PPV buys, so they probably aren't making too much money and it doesn't open up their audience at all. assuming Spike pays them for the shows, they can make some money and draw in more viewers.

Would not be a bad move at all.

[Flasch186]

Clash of the Champions - Part Deux

I lyke it!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Anyway, the e-mail stated that TNA will stop with PPV's altogether and instead do live shows on Spike instead.

And they can do them with yet another addition to the roster that's better suited to be a road agent than a performer at this stage of their career.

Meanwhile Roxxi is gone (again) as of last night, followed by ODB's announcement that she's out of there effective immediately.

[DeToxRox]

Ha, as if people on the net weren't outraged enough, Raw ends with attempted vehicular homicide. Better hope no one in WWE goes nuts in the future Rampage Jackson style or else they'll lose that old favorite too.

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Ha, as if people on the net weren't outraged enough, Raw ends with attempted vehicular homicide. Better hope no one in WWE goes nuts in the future Rampage Jackson style or else they'll lose that old favorite too.

are you serious? im hoping it was Daniel behind the wheel

[ageofquarrel]

well looks like wwe waived Danielson's 90 day no compete clause. He is listed as appearing at Dragon Gate USA next month

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by ageofquarrel

well looks like wwe waived Danielson's 90 day no compete clause. He is listed as appearing at Dragon Gate USA next month

I believe the no compete is in still applicable he just can't go to TNA or ROH.

[bulletsponge]

i think he cant appear on tv or and vidoes or ppv

[Toddzilla]

Goddamit Jay Lethal is fucking off the hook as Ric Flair. Simply unblievable.

I wonder if he's got any other impressions under his belt, because he's nailed Flair and Savage.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Surprising to see where Davey Richards is planning to retire later this year.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/arti...is-year-104757



In a recent interview conducted for ScrippsNews.com, Ring of Honor star Davey Richards had the following to say about his decision to retire from pro wrestling this December. "I didn't plan to do this for my career. I've gotten done with paramedic school and have other things I want to concentrate on. I want to get my black belt in jiujitsu and finish the fire academy. I'm married now, too. Ring of Honor has so many talented guys that they don't need me anymore."

When asked about the possibility of returning from retirement as others have done in the past, Richards said, "First off, I hate to say I'm retiring. I'm just a small-town guy who wrestles. Ric Flair retires. Lou Thesz retires. For me, I'm just not going to show up anymore."

[ageofquarrel]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Surprising to see where Davey Richards is planning to retire later this year.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/arti...is-year-104757



In a recent interview conducted for ScrippsNews.com, Ring of Honor star Davey Richards had the following to say about his decision to retire from pro wrestling this December. "I didn't plan to do this for my career. I've gotten done with paramedic school and have other things I want to concentrate on. I want to get my black belt in jiujitsu and finish the fire academy. I'm married now, too. Ring of Honor has so many talented guys that they don't need me anymore."




When asked about the possibility of returning from retirement as others have done in the past, Richards said, "First off, I hate to say I'm retiring. I'm just a small-town guy who wrestles. Ric Flair retires. Lou Thesz retires. For me, I'm just not going to show up anymore."

feel like he has been saying this for the last 2 years.

[DeToxRox]

Going out to see CHIKARA for the first time a week from Saturday. They are in Detroit and it's Danielson's first match back on the indy's, facing Eddie Kingston, a guy who is severely underrated.

[ageofquarrel]

have fun. I definitely take for granted living 20 minutes from the Arena.

[BigDPW]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

G*ddamit Jay Lethal is f*cking off the hook as Ric Flair. Simply unblievable.

I wonder if he's got any other impressions under his belt, because he's nailed Flair and Savage.

Flipped by during that segment last night. It was hilarious in a wierd way though. It is sad seeing Flair flail all around and make a mockery of himself but funny that he would be willing to do that to put younger guys over...

Lethal is a pretty talented wrestler that can hold your attention with the comedy stuff. I think there is a real value to that as a midcard act...

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by ageofquarrel

have fun. I definitely take for granted living 20 minutes from the Arena.

For sure, I am glad to see Chikara on the road. Having Dragon work this show is going to be huge for them as well with the extra crowd he'll most likely bring.

[Mota]

I have front row seats for Death Before Dishonor VIII tonight, looks like it could easily be the best Ring of Honor show this year, and quite frankly could be one of the best wrestling shows of the year period. The card is just STACKED, I can't wait!

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Mota

I have front row seats for Death Before Dishonor VIII tonight, looks like it could easily be the best Ring of Honor show this year, and quite frankly could be one of the best wrestling shows of the year period. The card is just STACKED, I can't wait!

Steen vs Generico is going to be nuts. The Steen/Corino vs Generico/Cabana feud has been fucking great. Some bloody, bloody shit.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Steen/Generico really should be off the hook, Kings vs Briscoes could be very good, and the Gauntlet might go well if it ends up with the right pairings.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Although I don't think I'm going to order, apparently the event is available on online PPV for $14.95 at GFL - GoFightLive - Ring of Honor - Death Before Dishonor VIII

[DaddyTorgo]

for discussion:

hxxp://www.ugo.com/tv/wrestlings-greatest-gimmick-changes

the greatest gimmick changes in wrestling history

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

for discussion:

hxxp://www.ugo.com/tv/wrestlings-greatest-gimmick-changes

the greatest gimmick changes in wrestling history

Somehow Shockmaster seems badly out of place with the others....

I think Curt Hennig would be better served in his place.

[Mota]

RoH PPV tonight was amazing. Definitely the best live show I've ever been to and I've seen a lot. The RoH World Title match was unbelievable, 35 minutes of fantastic wrestling. Easily a contender for match of the year. If you didn't get the iPPV, order it now and watch it once it has been archived. The Tag Title match was also fantastic, pure mayhem throughout with 3 of the 4 guys bleeding. Mark Briscoe had the "crimson mask". Steen / Generico was also great.

Overall the feuds do seem to continue, but that's okay since we got good finishes for most of the matches. Can't wait to see how they follow this up.

[molson]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

for discussion:

hxxp://www.ugo.com/tv/wrestlings-greatest-gimmick-changes

the greatest gimmick changes in wrestling history

I think there's two categories of gimmick changes. In one, a guy just starts playing another character with no relation to the first (Goldust, Raven).

In the other, it's actually a change - some kind of onscreen progression from one gimmick to another.

In the latter category, I nominate:

[Toddzilla]

The best part of that video is Gene's thinly-veiled racism.

[DeToxRox]

Ha, Fatal Four Way (Edit - Couldn't remember the damn name of the show somehow) goes off air to a laid out Cena in the ring (with no announcers) and the crowd chanting Daniel Bryan loud as hell.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

The best part of that video is Gene's thinly-veiled racism.

He was stradling the line a couple of times wasn't he?
"Renew my subscription to National Geographic"

[DeToxRox]

Saw Chikara tonight, awesome show. Danielson came out to the NXT theme song and was showered with ties instead of streamers. He and Kingston had a fun match to boot. Awesome all around show.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Given all the hype about the MCMG vs Beer Money ladder match & the (almost sure to be botched sooner rather than later) ECW invasion angle, we decided to watch Impact tonight.

As bad as Abyss beating up a side of beef with a barbed wire bat was, the backstage "brawl" between Taylor & Sarita was downright painful. You won't see as many poorly executed "punches", "kicks", and "weapon shots" at an outlaw indy show as they managed to have caught on camera in an interminable few minutes.

Damn I love to look at Taylor but not even her looks could overcome the massive fail of that segment. And now that they've come to the ring it hasn't improved much. Why is it so hard to figure out that you're supposed to play to your worker's strengths, not highlight their weaknesses?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Lord knows I find little good to say about TNA for a long while now but I thought they did a pretty good job of editing the end of the show tonight. Based on the spoilers I'd read (and went back & read again to see if I had missed something), it looks as though they may have added Dixie's bit from a different taping, which actually worked pretty well as a way to fade to black.