12-08-2009, 08:48 PM | #251 | |
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That program was in shambles. He's getting good talent there though I am still skeptical about his coaching abilities. That said if nothing else he's stocking the pond for the next guy. |
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12-08-2009, 08:49 PM | #252 | |
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He turned around a program that Mason left with 1 win talent and is grabbing top 20 recruiting classes every year. Sort of like Ferentz won 1-2 games with Iowa his first two years. Were you calling for his head then? |
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12-08-2009, 08:49 PM | #253 |
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And I need JIMGA on this one but there are tons of rumors of Tennessee losing members of their staff. I have heard their RB coach is going to FSU, Lance Thompson is going to Louisville as DC and in a not so shocking twist if it's true, but I have heard rumors of Coach O going back to USC.
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12-08-2009, 08:52 PM | #254 | |
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Honestly, I thought it was a terrible hire. But I was pissed after losing Stoops to Oklahoma. I wasnt bashing Brewster as much as I was Minny and the way they always suck. Right Sov? |
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12-08-2009, 08:54 PM | #255 | |
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Well they have 6 more Natl championships than Iowa. Getting them out of that dome is going to be huge towards them getting back in the top 5 of big ten teams. |
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12-08-2009, 08:58 PM | #256 |
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Sounding like Kelly to Notre Dame. Cincinnati fans are already discussing who's going to coach them in the bowl game.
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12-08-2009, 09:08 PM | #257 | |
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And Frank Wilson reportedly is going back home to Louisiana to coach at LSU to take over for the departed Larry Porter (Memphis head coach).
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12-08-2009, 09:54 PM | #258 | |
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The RB coach has family ties in Florida & goes with Kiffin's blessing apparently (as does the WR coach Wilson). The Orgeron rumor tried to gain some legs on Atlanta sports talk this week but there's nothing to be found, at least publicly, about him going anywhere around the Knoxville media. Plus he's been handling the slack in recruiting in South Florida with Gran's departure so if they thought he was going anywhere that probably wouldn't have been the choice. Among the rumored replacements showing up in the media coverage include South Carolina assistant and former Vols tailback Jay Graham; longtime UT and NFL assistant Kippy Brown; Central Florida running backs coach David Kelly; Notre Dame wide receivers coach and recruiting coordinator Rob Ianello; and Middle Tennessee State defensive coordinator Manny Diaz. Of those, Graham might be a popular choice with the fans & I can't think that getting ND's recruiting coordinator as a position coach would be a step down for the Vols. edit to add: The main UT writer for one of the sites (Scout? Rivals? one of 'em anyway) supposedly got a text from Thompson saying he hasn't been contacted & there's nothing to the rumor. On the other hand, there are rumors floating around tonight that he accepted the job a few hours ago, so ... who knows? If he does leave, the most obvious candidate to replace him becomes Rodney Garner, who is rumored to be on his way out at UGA. Then again, Garner turned down an offer to return to Knoxville shortly after Kiffin was hired. Seems his wife didn't like Knoxville the first time around & apparently she's still pulling those strings. Again, who knows?
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12-09-2009, 07:47 AM | #259 | |
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The Coach O rumors to USC have heightened in the last week. Supposedly, USC is ready to double or triple his salary. |
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12-09-2009, 11:41 AM | #260 | |
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I'm by no means a USC fan, but I've had a soft spot for Coach O ever since reading that book about his year at Ole Miss.....can't remember the name of it right now.
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12-09-2009, 11:43 AM | #261 | |
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12-09-2009, 12:37 PM | #262 |
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12-09-2009, 12:41 PM | #263 |
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12-09-2009, 02:06 PM | #264 | |
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Ditto about Meat Market. I know a ton of USC fans are hoping he comes back to SC, myself included. |
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12-09-2009, 03:05 PM | #265 |
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Seems like Louisville's new coach will be Charlie Strong, the defensive coordinator for Florida this year. Good hire by Louisville, IMO:
Louisville board to be asked to approve Charlie Strong as coach - ESPN
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12-09-2009, 04:11 PM | #266 | |
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Glad to see Strong get the opportunity. Could be a good situation given his recruiting ties to Florida.
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12-09-2009, 08:42 PM | #267 |
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Don't think this has been mentioned here, but the Illini football program continues to be a hole with no bottom. There are anywhere from 3-8 key underclassmen that are either transferring or rumored to be doing so (pick a name of a 4* or high 3* and they are probably on the list) and the incoming class is losing people by the week. I believe the current number of incoming players is down to 7 now.
Fans are hoping that the AD (in the last year of his deal) is re-considering giving Zook a pink slip in light of the mass defections. But no announcements yet ... |
12-09-2009, 08:44 PM | #268 |
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So the 2007 season was a fluke then? Sure seems like Illinois should be more consistently successful than they have been...
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12-09-2009, 08:47 PM | #269 | |
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Sure seems that way. I think reasonable people could speculate that 2008 was going to be down, on relative terms, compared to 2007. But missing a bowl that year and then further regressing this year points to a pretty massive failure. When the Zooker, who is regarded as a recruiter more than a coach, can't bring in new players or keep (let alone develop) his current ones ... well, that is a new kind of problem for the program. Usually we are just lamenting his crappy micro-management of his coordinators or mystifying in-game decisions or the teams lack of discipline or lousy special teams. I could probably go on, but that is enough for now. |
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12-09-2009, 09:10 PM | #270 |
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As I told a buddy when we beat Michigan, "Crap! That means were Zooked next year too!"
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12-09-2009, 09:14 PM | #271 | |
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Now Randy Edsall is heating up as a Golden Dome target. Source: Notre Dame, Connecticut coach Randy Edsall have mutual interest - ESPN
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12-09-2009, 11:28 PM | #272 | |
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12-10-2009, 06:44 AM | #274 | |
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I thought that at the start but the longer it goes the less interested ND seems in Kelly. Makes no sense to me, I'd hire him in a second. Who knows what they found in his background that isn't public knowledge though. Hopefully George O'Leary calls with a recommendation for Edsall and that gets him off their radar. |
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12-10-2009, 06:56 AM | #275 | |
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I don't know if this is 100% true, but my brother has friends that are ND alumni, and they have told him that some alumni are against Kelly because he has made pro-choice statements in the past (remember, ND is a conservative Catholic institution). Again, not 100% sure that is true. |
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12-10-2009, 11:55 AM | #276 | |
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12-10-2009, 12:09 PM | #277 | |
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I'm with you Bishop. I'm honestly baffled that Notre Dame would even think about Edsall. Edsall is a very good fit for UConn, but Notre Dame needs a home run hire and unless they can't get Kelly or some other proven winner then I just don't see Edsall being their guy at this time. Kelly is the home run hire. I just can't see Notre Dame settling for less if he truly is interested in the job.
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12-10-2009, 12:25 PM | #278 |
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And don't you think Kelly knows that? Dear God, what I would be asking for in his position.
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12-10-2009, 12:52 PM | #280 | |
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Which is why I come back to what someone else said, it's using a guy close to Kelly to drive his price down. Edsall is a really good gameday coach, and he's done a nice job winning games while assembling a roster of lower-rated recruits. But that lack of being able to recruit would kill him at ND. Yes, he would have the school's tradition (whatever is left of it) on his side but you can't walk into national recruiting battles against the likes of USC, Florida, etc and win recruits over without any experience doing so. I wish Edsall and Schiano could be combined. |
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12-10-2009, 12:57 PM | #281 |
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If I am Kelly, I'm not the least bit worried about Edsall. I not only know that Notre Dame needs a home run, I know that Edsall will not be seen as such. Of all the home run hires they could have made, Kelly's the only one to not publicly deny interest.
If I am Kelly, I'd worry more that ND is still talking to Stoops and Meyer (through intermediaries of course) than I am about Edsall.
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12-10-2009, 01:01 PM | #283 | |
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I wonder if that will extend to getting the relaxation of academic standards that I think a top notch coach would want to coach at ND. |
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12-10-2009, 01:02 PM | #284 | |
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If Notre Dame is looking for a coach to "scare" Kelly then they need to look at Harbaugh, Tuberville, Fulmer, etc. I'm with you...Kelly shouldn't be worried about Edsall.
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12-10-2009, 01:10 PM | #285 | |
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When he recruited, Charlie Weis was able to push his time with one of the most prolific offenses in history, and his development of a 6th round QB into one of the best ever. As for Carroll, I didn't really follow recruiting back then so I don't know how quickly he got good classes. Like you said, former NFL coaches always seem to get good recruits even if they were unsuccessful at the previous level (Wannstedt, Kiffin to name a couple). Also, I'm sure bringing kids into LA isn't as difficult as South Bend, Indiana. |
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12-10-2009, 01:54 PM | #286 |
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Like I said before, based on stuff I have heard about Kelly from being in Michigan just over the last few years, he is going to take a job on his own terms which is why I can see him demanding too much from ND. I really believe the admissions thing is going to be a huge issue for him, and truthfully, he probably has the upper hand.
There is the potential for some big job openings next year (LSU, Michigan, etc) so it isn't like this is it for him. He won't go anywhere if it's not on his terms, it's that simple. |
12-10-2009, 02:03 PM | #287 |
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Heh and after I type that, it sounds like Kelly is going to be named ND's next coach.
Should be interesting to see how it all unfolds. |
12-10-2009, 02:47 PM | #288 |
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This is secondhand info (that maybe Bishop or someone else w/ closer ties to ND may know), but I have heard that Notre Dame has a lot of strict conduct procedures in place (students must live in dorms for all 4-years, strict rules against drinking on campus, someone even said that you had to join AA if you are caught drinking underage, things like that) and that Coach Stoops had agreed on a contract figure with the school, but things fell apart because he wanted to be able to override Notre Dame's policies on disciplining his players and they would not agree to that. So, a lot of time we hear about coaches wanting Notre Dame to "loosen their standards," but that does not just apply to the academic side of things.
From what I have heard, Kelly is currently going through the same process and could return to Cincy if Notre Dame does not give a little bit. Also, word is that Kelly was offered the Washington job last season, but declined because it was so far away from his family and his familiar recruiting area. |
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Take this for what its worth (rumor just like everything else), but according to some people with close ties to the coaching staff at OU, Stoops never, not even once, had any interest in the Notre Dame job. In fact, he supposedly laughed about it with friends and when asked why he wasn't telling the media that he had absolutely no interest, he said that he didn't want to make ND look bad publicly.
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12-10-2009, 03:29 PM | #290 | |
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I doubt this. ND, USC, OSU, Alabama, etc., are all schools that you at least listen to their offer before rejecting. Not saying that you are going to leave or seriously consider, but if they come knocking, you answer the door. |
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12-10-2009, 03:32 PM | #291 | |
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I'd listen. Wouldn't take Notre Dame over OU, but I'd listen. Like I said though, just what I heard. And the guy who confirmed it is one who hasn't been wrong yet. He even implied that he heard it straight from Stoops' lips and said it emphatically from the very beginning, when all of the rumors were swirling. Last edited by Cuckoo : 12-10-2009 at 03:34 PM. |
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12-10-2009, 03:44 PM | #292 | |
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12-10-2009, 04:17 PM | #293 |
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Multiple sources saying Kelly to ND now.
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And you have to feel for the players who got told by two straight coaches they were not taking jobs only to take them. One player even stated how much he believed Kelly when he said he wasn't leaving. The Sugar Bowl went from an intriguing match up to two teams who probably really don't want to be there and two of the coaches who would make it the most interesting being gone(Kelly and Strong).
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12-10-2009, 05:00 PM | #295 |
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Kelly was up front in his interest in the job, maybe not originally but recently at least.
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Yeah, it really shouldn't be a shock to them. I think many outside observers had him pegged as a likely candidate last year when it was clear Weis was on an extremely short leash heading into this season.
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12-10-2009, 05:19 PM | #299 |
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Ya, I'm surprised they got a guy of that caliber, definitely a good hire for them.
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