The Official NBA 2016 Offseason Thread

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

I don't think he's actually 24, but probably closer to it than he is to 19.

A passport from 2009 shows that he is indeed 19 now.

[stevew]

Noah supposedly going to the knicks for around 18m per year. Good luck with that. I feel like you could do much better for that kind of money.

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by Atocep

A passport from 2009 shows that he is indeed 19 now.

I don't doubt the passport. Last weekend I spoke to someone involved in basketball at a high level in Australia who has known Maker since a few years before he left for the US, and this topic came up. Their opinion was that it's more a question of if he's 19 or 20 given the lack of paperwork when he first came to Australia... Since the influx of Sudanese immigrants there's been a few cases over here of associations being burnt because of guys lying about their age, but he doesn't think he was one of the guys that did that, and if his age is wrong it's just due to oversight.

My wife was a Vietnamese immigrant and when she arrived here, her mum put down a particular date as her date of birth because the numbers were lucky - she has no idea what day she was actually born, but it was probably roughly around that date. That's the kind of 'oversight' he thinks it is.

As much as I'd love for him to be great as an Aussie, I don't have particularly high hopes, but probably not a bad draft to try and swing for the fences given how underwhelming a lot of the 10-30 picks were.

[nol]

BOLD FREE AGENT PREDICTIONS:

Kevin Durant will take a few days to meet with teams and decide where he wants to play, but somehow it won't be indicative of him being a prima donna trying to make everything about him (also if the Thunder sign Al Horford that would more than make up for trading Ibaka, whereas now it's more of a break-even deal on their part).

The Sixers will be aggressive in offering 22-24 year old restricted free agents a lot of money, which will be spun as them starting to try now when this was the year they were going to do it all along.

Almost everyone who signs for more than $15 million will be regarded as a massive overpay for six months or so until people realize that those players are getting paid properly and the players who were free agents 2-3 years ago are actually massive bargains.

[murrayyyyy]

I agree on the 76ers. I'll even go with they will sign Barnes, Clarkson (overpay because he plays 2) and Lin. Lin gives them just another "international" player to become a version of Team World.

[nol]

Originally Posted by murrayyyyy

I agree on the 76ers. I'll even go with they will sign Barnes, Clarkson (overpay because he plays 2) and Lin. Lin gives them just another "international" player to become a version of Team World.

What's going to be crazy is that Barnes and Clarkson could agree to max offer sheets from a team like the 76ers and it would still make financial sense for the Warriors/Lakers to match those deals.

[murrayyyyy]

Not so sure the Warriors want to match the offer. I really think Colangelo tries to bend the Lakers over with a near max to Clarkson. And with Lin I just think he fits them perfectly to energize the fan base.

[nol]

If the Warriors don't sign Durant, matching any offer on Barnes surely would be the best way to go unless there's some unprecedented amount of players willing to take huge discounts to sign with a contender (ask David West how that went).

It's important to note how different the cap is. In 2011, LeBron, Wade, and Bosh all had to take below-market deals just so the Heat would be able to fill out the roster with the mid-level exception plus minimum-salary ring chasers. Now, Bismack Biyombo is going to get more in annual salary than what LeBron got those years.

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by nol

If the Warriors don't sign Durant, matching any offer on Barnes surely would be the best way to go unless there's some unprecedented amount of players willing to take huge discounts to sign with a contender (ask David West how that went).

It's important to note how different the cap is. In 2011, LeBron, Wade, and Bosh all had to take below-market deals just so the Heat would be able to fill out the roster with the mid-level exception plus minimum-salary ring chasers. Now, Bismack Biyombo is going to get more in annual salary than what LeBron got those years.

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Aren't they high up there right now? I mean I know they want to move Bogut but if anyone offers 15+ to Barnes then trading Bogut still has them over 90M(assuming it's not Bogut for picks). McAdoo felt like he was getting an audition to let Barnes go during the playoffs.

I guess another option is letting Livingston (partial) and Festus (qual) go but that's not freeing up enough to bring back Barnes if you lose those two players. I wonder if they are getting Jamal Crawford to sub in Livingston's role if it comes to that.

[murrayyyyy]

Another off the wall question, how much do the Warriors brace for the 20 million a year increase Curry will get in 17-18? I know the cap goes up again but everyone falls off after this year minus Green and Thompson. Why not let Barnes go and try to find some "bargins" to keep this thing rolling?

[nol]

Originally Posted by murrayyyyy

Another off the wall question, how much do the Warriors brace for the 20 million a year increase Curry will get in 17-18? I know the cap goes up again but everyone falls off after this year minus Green and Thompson. Why not let Barnes go and try to find some "bargins" to keep this thing rolling?

Curry's raise is nothing compared to the amount of money/prestige they've gotten from him. If they get Durant, they're a dynasty no matter who the 5th-12th players are. Otherwise going into the luxury tax for once in exchange for a team that's won 85 percent of its regular season games the past few years is a pretty fine deal.

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by nol

Curry's raise is nothing compared to the amount of money/prestige they've gotten from him. If they get Durant, they're a dynasty no matter who the 5th-12th players are. Otherwise going into the luxury tax for once in exchange for a team that's won 85 percent of its regular season games the past few years is a pretty fine deal.

They aren't getting Durant.

But what do the Dubs do if Barnes gets offered 40 for 2 with the 2nd being a player option(and no Durant)? Do they really want to go into another year of free agency with Barnes having already turned down 4/64. He'll want a Tristan Thompson deal+20 million and if the Warriors can't afford it then he takes the chance on the 2 year option deal and plays for a max with even more cap room the following year.

[wustin]

GSW was 10M over the luxury tax this past year. I'm sure they wouldn't mind paying the tax if it means Curry stays. Oracle Arena currently has 175 consecutive sell out games, you bet Curry has everything to do with that.

If the Warriors are looking to clear cap space, there's no reason to move Livingston. His team option had to be picked up because it's literally pennies, otherwise other teams would gladly overpay him. I personally don't think Warriors should trade him off but he's probably their most attractive asset, they could easily deal him for draft picks to a playoff team.

[nol]

Originally Posted by murrayyyyy

They aren't getting Durant.

But what do the Dubs do if Barnes gets offered 40 for 2 with the 2nd being a player option(and no Durant)?

They pay it unless they think they can sign another player who can replicate his production for about $3 million per year. Otherwise they're just heading into the season hoping that a worse version of last year's team can attract a big name free agent after this year's team couldn't.

[wustin]

Originally Posted by murrayyyyy

They aren't getting Durant.

But what do the Dubs do if Barnes gets offered 40 for 2 with the 2nd being a player option(and no Durant)? Do they really want to go into another year of free agency with Barnes having already turned down 4/64. He'll want a Tristan Thompson deal+20 million and if the Warriors can't afford it then he takes the chance on the 2 year option deal and plays for a max with even more cap room the following year.

He would be dumb for wanting to sign a 1+1 deal because 2017 free agency is loaded with players better than he is or have higher upside. Might as well and just sign a 3-4 year deal. As horrible as he played during the finals he better take full advantage this offseason and try to get as much money as possible.

[nol]

Originally Posted by wustin

He would be dumb for wanting to sign a 1+1 deal because 2017 free agency is loaded with players better than he is or have higher upside. Might as well and just sign a 3-4 year deal. As horrible as he played during the finals he better take full advantage this offseason and try to get as much money as possible.

Right. This is the fantasy but then the fact of the matter is that the Warriors won't find suitable discounts to replace Barnes. I don't think a team that just went 73-9 is terribly concerned about high upside players who may very well be worse than Barnes.

[Zinto]

Another team cannot sign Barnes to a 1+1. Restricted free agents have to sign at least a two year deal with no option years if they are signing with another team. (At least I think that is the case)

[Zinto]

I am not sure how the Warriors can let Barnes walk if they do not get Durant. He is an important piece to their best lineup and he will be really hard to replace. At worst they sign him and work out trade him away later.

[nol]

Originally Posted by Zinto

Another team cannot sign Barnes to a 1+1. Restricted free agents have to sign a two year deal with no option years if they are signing with another team. (At least I think that is the case)

Why would Barnes sign such a deal when other teams will offer him the max or very close to the max right off the bat?

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by nol

Why would Barnes sign such a deal when other teams will offer him the max or very close to the max right off the bat?

He wouldn't. I was just saying that a team couldn't give him a 1+1.

[stevew]

yeah it has to be 2+1 for a restricted FA I believe(re: Parsons)

[stevew]

If Barnes is going to sign a RFA sheet with the Sixers, the Warriors can probably dump Bogut on them as well to clear cap space for Durant(not that it will happen)

Durant basically has to sign a 1+1 or he's going to lose a bunch of money by doing a long term deal

[MrBug708]

@DanDuangdao

Lakers and Timofey Mozgov are working on four-year, $65 million deal according to @WojVerticalNBA

[Vince, Pt. II]

Yeah, the Warriors' options this off-season are essentially Durant or Barnes. There will be other minor pieces, but that's the whole shebang in terms of meaningful moves.

[SirFozzie]

Mozgov 4/65
Noah 4/70

This is going to be a NUTS free agency market.

[wustin]

Didn't think Noah would still command that much money. New York's gonna be exciting to watch next year.

[wustin]

Parsons to Blazers for 94.7M/4 years

Almost max money. Barnes will probably be offered the same amount if not more.

Edit: I can't into math, that's a max deal lol

[JonInMiddleGA]

from @billbarnwell

Lakers: "We'll give you $65 million over four years."
Mozgov's agent: "Wait, seriously?"

LOL

[Atocep]

Not at all surprising that they jumped on that offer the minute free agency opened.

[Neon_Chaos]

The cap situation has just blown things up.

The Lakers are signing Mozgov to more than the max contract Boogie signed two years ago.

Cousins must be steaming right now. :P

[wustin]

16M/year isn't too bad, they probably overpaid a million or two since they wanted him immediately. Mozgov didn't really play much this season so it's kind of questionable to sign a 29 year old for 4 years.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by wustin

Didn't think Noah would still command that much money. New York's gonna be exciting to watch 5 years ago.

Fixed.

[Izulde]

Ugh. WHY, LAKERS, WHY?!?!

[SirFozzie]

Lakers busy.

Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick 20m20 minutes ago
Can confirm Jordan Clarkson back to the Lakers on a four-year, $50 mil deal. @ShamsCharania first reported.

[stevew]

Seems low for Clarkson. Was he an Arenas provision guy?

I.E. was that his max?

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by stevew

Seems low for Clarkson. Was he an Arenas provision guy?

I.E. was that his max?

He's an Arenas provision guy, yeah.

[Chief Rum]

So will Mozgov just pull off the Dwight Howard mask at his press conference or will he wait until he gets his second foul three minutes into his first game as a Laker?

I am just assuming the Lakers don't actually know who Timofey Mozgov is.

[heybrad]

Hibbert was the 76th rated center in the league last year. Mozgov is the 75th rated center so it's definitely an upgrade.

[nol]

Whiteside is staying in Miami on a four-year max deal. Interesting that this is the guy they break the bank for after years of getting Wade to take discounts.

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

So will Mozgov just pull off the Dwight Howard mask at his press conference or will he wait until he gets his second foul three minutes into his first game as a Laker?

I am just assuming the Lakers don't actually know who Timofey Mozgov is.

They just paid a guy more per year than his point total in the entire playoff run this year(15 points in 13 games) or total defensive rebounds in the playoff run (16).

Bazemore will get 20 million a year based off this.

[wustin]

Bazemore was the Hawks' best perimeter defender and is a decent shooter. His stats are impressive for someone who plays less than 30 minutes a game.

[nol]

Jeremy Lin signed a downright sensible contract of 3 years, $36 million with Brooklyn. The only better PG deal than that is going to be whichever team trades for Ricky Rubio.

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by nol

Jeremy Lin signed a downright sensible contract of 3 years, $36 million with Brooklyn. The only better PG deal than that is going to be whichever team trades for Ricky Rubio.

So Brook-Lin? I'll see my self out.

[nol]

I'm sure the fact that he can dish off assists to Brook Lopez and create the Brook-Lin Brooklyn combo played a large part in his decision.

[Logan]

Brooklinsanity.

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by nol

I'm sure the fact that he can dish off assists to Brook Lopez and create the Brook-Lin Brooklyn combo played a large part in his decision.

Sounds a lot better than wanting to reunite with Atkinson.

[murrayyyyy]

OJ Mayo kicked out of the league for 2 years with his violation of the drug policy.

[whomario]

Mozgov from the season before would be a decent get. It´s not guaranteed he´ll recover fully, but it´s pretty telling people don´t even consider he was rushing back last season from surgery and basically never had a window to get his legs back under him, quite literally ...

[whomario]

But yeah, its as if teams not realize while they can certainly afford these signings under the new cap, they will eventually have to resign (or newly sign) better players who are still on the old-cap bargain contracts ...

[JonInMiddleGA]

Memory lane, courtesy of O.J. Mayo