The 2024 Presidential Nomination Thread

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

Huh. I don't see Trump as charismatic at all. I guess whatever other people see in him, I don't. I'd much rather listen to DeSantis speak than him.

Trump has a nonstandard charisma, for certain. He's very gifted at a certain kind of persuasion-based communication/messaging... it's not for everyone, but it's very effective with the swath of people who respond to it.

Not everyone buys the snake oil, or falls for the predatory traveling revival, either -- but that brand of hucksterism has made plenty of people wealthy over time. That's the comparison, I think, not actual statesmen.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

The RFK/climate change farting argument story is certainly something.

MSN

I learned that once-far-left-darling-turned-fox-news-contributor Dennis Kucinich is RFK Jrs campaign manager.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Trump has a nonstandard charisma, for certain. He's very gifted at a certain kind of persuasion-based communication/messaging... it's not for everyone, but it's very effective with the swath of people who respond to it.

Not everyone buys the snake oil, or falls for the predatory traveling revival, either -- but that brand of hucksterism has made plenty of people wealthy over time. That's the comparison, I think, not actual statesmen.

Cult of Personality/Narcissist who has been enabled by his family and people with money around him. He's honed the things that work, and he's had good reinforcement along the way of what doesn't. Cult leaders don't need practice. They feed off that adulation and it just makes them a bit crazier and their followers more extreme and devoted. You see it across many, many cults.

[JPhillips]

DeSantis was the keynote speaker for the TN GOP and after the event all 8 members of the TN GOP congressional delegation endorsed... Trump.

He's being fully Little Marcoed.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

DeSantis was the keynote speaker for the TN GOP and after the event all 8 members of the TN GOP congressional delegation endorsed... Trump.

He's being fully Little Marcoed.

I saw that he is already firing staffers, but of course the campaign is "fine"

[CrimsonFox]

I nominate Grantdawg for the republican candidate

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I nominate Grantdawg for the republican candidate

Oh boy. I will say that I'm more Republican in the classic sense than most MAGA fans.

[Thomkal]

Please don't make me vote Republican GrantDawg

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Oh boy. I will say that I'm more Republican in the classic sense than most MAGA fans.

shhh you're bringing down the system from within

[GrantDawg]

I am absolutely willing to run on the Trout and Giant Squid ticket.

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[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I am absolutely willing to run on the Trout and Giant Squid ticket.

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and Thomkal is your running mate

I'll manage your campaign and grift all that cool hard cash

[albionmoonlight]

Tim Scott numbers improving.

It would be great for the GOP, and therefore for America in general, if he got the nomination. He's got something to offer besides owning libs.

[GrantDawg]

We of the Trout and Giant Squid party denounce Tim Scott as too conservative (if you hate conservatives) or too liberal (if you hate liberals). He has refused our many requests to take a stand on the Giant Squid issue, and we have been told he hates trout! That is an abomination and completely un-American!

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Tim Scott numbers improving.

It would be great for the GOP, and therefore for America in general, if he got the nomination. He's got something to offer besides owning libs.

I could completely live with this

[GrantDawg]

Gov. Brian Kemp officially ruled himself out in an interview today. He said all the things that Trump tried to pressure him to do to turn over the 2020 election made him embarrassed that he endorsed him. But he still said he would vote for Trump if he was the GOP nominee, because of course he would.
That is a sure sign the Federal campaign money Kemp is raising is to take on Ossoff for Senate in 2026. And he will most likely win.

[Butter]

Fuck Tim Scott

Any member of the Republican party who does not denounce Trump and find him repugnant is complicit and will do the same shit but just with window dressing

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

I could completely live with this

This surprises me a bit. Knowing you a bit away from the board I am surprised you could support a black man who refuses to denounce Trump.

[CrimsonFox]

I think he's saying that he just wants trump to fuck off and lose so we don't have to deal with him anymore. Doesn't mean he wants scott to win

[Ghost Econ]

Tim Scott is a drug addled moron who is just as proud of being a moron as the other idiots. He's exactly the same as the others but with a more palatable skin tone for liberals.

[CrimsonFox]

seriously tho no one will vote for him. it's like another herschel walker case

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Butter

Fuck Tim Scott

Any member of the Republican party who does not denounce Trump and find him repugnant is complicit and will do the same shit but just with window dressing

Tim Scott's whole campaign is centered around being Trump's VP. I don't think he has any delusions of winning.

[RainMaker]

New polls shows Desantis now tied at 12% with Vivek. But don't worry, Desantis has a plan to get back in the race. He's going to open an inquiry into Bud Light for an instagram ad they ran a few months ago. Trump is going to bury this guys political career by the time they get to New Hampshire.

DeSantis: We are going to launch an inquiry about bud light and it could lead to a derivative lawsuit filed on behalf of the shareholders of the Florida pension fund pic.twitter.com/iAkaknc0fm

— Acyn (@Acyn) July 21, 2023

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Lathum

This surprises me a bit. Knowing you a bit away from the board I am surprised you could support a black man who refuses to denounce Trump.

This is not actually support, it is sadly a reflection on how fucked up all the other candidates are, that I would settle for him.

If I could pick a Republican candidate I would support, that list starts and ends with Adam Kinzinger, who has a snowballs chance in hell, even if he did run.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

New polls shows Desantis now tied at 12% with Vivek. But don't worry, Desantis has a plan to get back in the race. He's going to open an inquiry into Bud Light for an instagram ad they ran a few months ago. Trump is going to bury this guys political career by the time they get to New Hampshire.

DeSantis: We are going to launch an inquiry about bud light and it could lead to a derivative lawsuit filed on behalf of the shareholders of the Florida pension fund pic.twitter.com/iAkaknc0fm

— Acyn (@Acyn) July 21, 2023

Let me get this straight. DeSantis helped create this social warrior "woke" BS among conservatives, which is precisely why Bud Light stopped selling and AB InBev's stock prices fell! He helped create the drop-off in sales, and then on the back-end, is going to investigate/sue because the stock price fell. If it wasn't so blatantly cynical, I'd call it brilliant.

[flere-imsaho]

Kinzinger's a really good example of the type of Republican who would have been comfortably in the center of the party in the 80s and 90s and is now on its outer leftwing fringes.

[PilotMan]

Hard to swallow a guy like Romney as the guy in the middle, dare I say, middle left, in his own party. He's never been that guy imo.

[flere-imsaho]

Guys like Romney and Ryan are on the far loony left-wing fringe of today's GOP. Which is hilarious when you consider that only 10-15 years ago Ryan was touted as a new conservative wonderkid.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Guys like Romney and Ryan are on the far loony left-wing fringe of today's GOP. Which is hilarious when you consider that only 10-15 years ago Ryan was touted as a new conservative wonderkid.

[GrantDawg]

Ryan was supposed to be the future, and his far out libertarian economic ideas almost seem tame now.

[flere-imsaho]

Yeah, Ryan's innumerate re-cooking of trickle-down economics would be seen as suspiciously academic for today's GOP.

[RainMaker]

Ryan or Romney would probably beat Biden.

Anyway, another bang up job by the Desantis campaign today. The person running that campaign has to be a plant from Trump's camp.

DeSantis campaign deletes video after Nazi images found - Raw Story - Celebrating 19 Years of Independent Journalism

[JPhillips]

Romney would clearly be a favorite, but Ryan's policies on SS and Medicare are pure poison. That's one thing that Trump understood well.

[GrantDawg]

Agreed. Romney would walk away with it right now.

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[NobodyHere]

So DeSantis's campaign is a literal car wreck right now.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ssee-rcna96167

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Anyway, another bang up job by the Desantis campaign today.

held up well

[PilotMan]

It was probably an angry, trans, illegal, communist immigrant trying to assassinate him!

[flere-imsaho]

Romney or Ryan might beat Biden in a head-to-head matchup if a) they could get over their charisma deficit and b) MAGA nation didn't avoid voting in the GE overall but realistically neither would make it out of the GOP primary.

[RainMaker]

Does he make it to Iowa at this point?


DeSantis Caught Using Taxpayer-Funded Florida State Vehicles to Campaign

[thesloppy]

It's super difficult to continue that kind of spectacular faiilure for months on end....lord knows I've tried

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Does he make it to Iowa at this point?


DeSantis Caught Using Taxpayer-Funded Florida State Vehicles to Campaign

This is seriously the most enjoyment I have ever gotten watching someone crash and burn

[flere-imsaho]

Pretty much everyone makes it to Iowa. You need to screw up really, really, badly to not make it to Iowa.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Does he make it to Iowa at this point?


DeSantis Caught Using Taxpayer-Funded Florida State Vehicles to Campaign

It's the blatant, premeditated corruption. He pushed for legislation to shield him from disclosing travel right before he starts his campaign. I wonder why.

[GrantDawg]

And absolutely nothing will be done about it.

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[CrimsonFox]

[GrantDawg]

'Even if it might be a mistake to call Mr. Trump “inevitable,” the Times/Siena data suggests that he commands a seemingly unshakable base of loyal supporters, representing more than one-third of the Republican electorate.'https://t.co/A5BdVvzq6w

— Matthew Continetti (@continetti) July 31, 2023

[JPhillips]

At least 2/3 of that not open to Trump group will end up voting for Trump.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

At least 2/3 of that not open to Trump group will end up voting for Trump.

In the general, yes. This is dealing with the primary. They may hate him, but they can't let the poors get any ideas.

[PilotMan]

Not sure, in spite of the intensity of his support, you can discount the many numbers he's taken out of the republican party altogether. Percentages of a smaller pool isn't showing lock solid support. I really wonder also, if we'll see the covid impact on the parties in the elections too?

[Ksyrup]

Around January 10, 2021, my wife and I changed our party affiliation to Independent from GOP, so now we can't vote in the primaries. But, at least in KY, the GOP is gaining party affiliation, not losing it, so...

[Ksyrup]

I suppose this is as good a place as any to post this. I read this new article about young GOPers buying into "ID politics," but in attempting to google more info, I then stumbled across an article from 7 years earlier that said exactly the opposite. Remarkable how things have changed, even amongst at least some of the young core conservatives.

July 29, 2023
Young conservatives buy into 'identity politics,' a shift from free-market focus - MarketWatch

July 21, 2016
Young Republicans Want GOP to Back Off Social Issues | Time