Werewolf LXXV - Rise of the Great Old Ones -Students Win!!!!

[The Jackal]

Just caught up. Not sure I really see a reason to move my vote around - I have no specific cause for voting for PB, he hasn't done something to convince me I should definitely move, and none of the other leaders is bothering me. But I'm listening.

[Racer]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Wow, where's the love PB? I changed my normal day one vote to not vote for you.

As I said before, and the time stamps will back me up, I voted hoops not knowing there was another vote about to show up for him. I do find it a little suspicious about the run on me. I really suck as a wolf but do well as a villager (I love trying to figure these things out) so I would look closely at those with votes on me. I wouldn't be too surprised to see at least one wolf there.

Anyhoo, I have to head out for a bit. I'll be back on later to see how this plays out.

I double checked this. EagleFan's post was one minute after the other guy's so I seriously doubt EagleFan saw the other guy's post and made his post in that span of time.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

how could you have names on your list alreadt???????????????

Claph, looking at the voting trends. Even if it weren't me, I'm still surprised at RendeR and Pass bringing in a third candidate. Especially, as Alan has said, when neither Mccollins or Eagle has voted yet. This is almost identical to what Hoops and I tried to engineer in the previous game by bringing in St. Cronin. IF two wolves are up, how do you take the heat off them? You've got to get a third party.

Now that one of the people I'm curious about has voted for me, I'll throw his name and the other out there. Racer and Axxon will need some attention. The "clever" line pinged me earlier and it might be nothing, but was odd nonetheless.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Schmidty

Oh ya, and I'm "hawt", but not "flat!"

Alright! Don't listen to what Alan says about me, I'll always steer you in the right direction.

[PurdueBrad]

Anyway, I'm out as the wife has told me we're ready to leave. We'll see if I'm still alive in a few hours.

[EagleFan]

tie = no lynch? If that is the case, that looks like a good reason to keep it that way. Better to no lynch than to lynch a villager right out of the gate, especially when no-one knows if there is a roled villager in the group.

I don't plan on changing my vote tonight, unless it's for self preservation as I would like to get a little bit of time to try to see who the wolves are. I actually like being a villager much better than being a wolf as it's alll about solving the mystery.

[Chief Rum]

Home from work and checking in.

Heh, I shoulda known you guys wouldn't take less than a day to run out a huge thread. Looks like I have some reading to do.

[hoopsguy]

Has Schmidty posted what the results are in the event of a tie?

[path12]

Originally Posted by Axxon

Because of our exchange earlier. Racer is a very good player and we just got through a game together. That means he's going to be a great help to us like he was to his side in that game or he's going to be a dangerous wolf.

OK. It seemed like an odd thing to say day 1.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Schmidty

To whom is this directed to?

PB, he said he has 2 names other than the ones being voted for on his list, and thats rediculous., its DAY ONE! no info availabel!

[path12]

One cool thing about this game so far -- I mentioned to the stunning yet demure Ms.Path about Mrs. Schmidty being in this game and she just committed to playing in the next one I run.

Woo!

[Chief Rum]

Quick question. Title says deadline at 10. Post #2 (rules) say 9. Which is it? Obviously, it makes a difference in how I can do things here, as 15 mins is a lot less time than an hour and 15 mins.

[Racer]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Claph, looking at the voting trends. Even if it weren't me, I'm still surprised at RendeR and Pass bringing in a third candidate. Especially, as Alan has said, when neither Mccollins or Eagle has voted yet. This is almost identical to what Hoops and I tried to engineer in the previous game by bringing in St. Cronin. IF two wolves are up, how do you take the heat off them? You've got to get a third party.

Now that one of the people I'm curious about has voted for me, I'll throw his name and the other out there. Racer and Axxon will need some attention. The "clever" line pinged me earlier and it might be nothing, but was odd nonetheless.

I don't know why he thinks I'm all the clever. The game that is ending tonight was his first game so maybe he thinks my voting 10 or 15 seconds after the night kill post to hold the tiebreaker is clever. I had a hunch that DaddyTorgo was a wolf (and I was right), but going into today I was also almost sure Axxon was good (which unless Axxon is trying to unnecessarily pull something crazy), was wrong. I was convinced Claph was the second wolf. So I pretty much got owned. So that's why I voted for him to start off.

[hoopsguy]

Chief, there was an issue with the PMs (site-wide) earlier today. It delayed Schmidty getting all the PMs out to all the folks, so today started later. I believe the 10PM is just for today, and 9PM is the time for the remaining days.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Quick question. Title says deadline at 10. Post #2 (rules) say 9. Which is it? Obviously, it makes a difference in how I can do things here, as 15 mins is a lot less time than an hour and 15 mins.

I think today was pushed back an hour due to a late start.

[claphamsa]

10, sinces roles went out late!

[Racer]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

tie = no lynch? If that is the case, that looks like a good reason to keep it that way. Better to no lynch than to lynch a villager right out of the gate, especially when no-one knows if there is a roled villager in the group.

I don't plan on changing my vote tonight, unless it's for self preservation as I would like to get a little bit of time to try to see who the wolves are. I actually like being a villager much better than being a wolf as it's alll about solving the mystery.

No lynch is bad because lynching gives us a voting history.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Has Schmidty posted what the results are in the event of a tie?

In case of tie, there will be no lynch. I will put it in the official rules.

[Chief Rum]

Cool, thanks for the responses, guys.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Quick question. Title says deadline at 10. Post #2 (rules) say 9. Which is it? Obviously, it makes a difference in how I can do things here, as 15 mins is a lot less time than an hour and 15 mins.

I had a computer problem today, so we started 3 hours late. I decided to give us more time because of that, but the normal time will still be 9 on other days.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Racer

No lynch is bad because lynching gives us a voting history.

So can a no lynch as the movement can speak volumes. If there is no late movement when a three way tie exists than it probably says that those involved in the tie are villagers and the wolves didn;t want to make a late move on a villager to implicate themselves.

If a no lynch is a result of heavy vote swings that also speaks volumes about where the votes swing from and to and who the players are that are making the vote swings (self defense or questionable). I guess we'll see what happens in the next hour (or so). Hopefully I'll live to see the light of day tomorrow but who knows (maybe I'm a fool for thinking so).

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Racer

No lynch is bad because lynching gives us a voting history.

The history is still there, if anything it gives us "noobs" a chance to figure strategy without unknowingly taking out an ally.

[claphamsa]

due to the fact that i want to live, i wont give my ideas on no lyches.... since youve all heard it before. and it gets me killed alot!

[Mrs. Schmidty]

I'll be back in a bit, need to buy fish food before they eat the snail in the tank!

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Schmidty

I'll be back in a bit, need to buy fish food before they eat the snail in the tank!

ha a fabulous thinkg to have happen on day 1!

[Racer]

I have a question, does PurdueBrad usually play this agressive if he is a villager? He has suggested like 4 different people I think to look at besides who he voted for. He played a much less aggressively in this past simple game. I'm asking this because he is still alive in that game so I'm not positive what his role is. I'm not saying this just because he suggested me. I'm just trying to get a feel on what is normal for him when he is a villager.

[claphamsa]

hes farily good vilegrar, but as a wolf he tends to throw himself aroudn trying to get people killed (thats why i havent changed my vote)

[hoopsguy]

My PB villager impressions are steady, persistant player. Willing to think things through, usually ends up in right place midgame. And impossible to shake once he is convinced of an idea, often to my dismay.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Schmidty

Alright, before I get totally engrossed in the game I'll introduce myself a bit! No, I'm not from Michigan, originally I'm from California. I think that I'm officially a Washingtonian though since I've been here for pretty much the last 20 years.
I work full time in a photo lab and photography would be one of my biggest hobbies. I'm stubborn as hell as I'm sure some of you already know (ha!) but am also pretty upbeat (I sound like I"m filling out a personal add!).

Oh ya, and I'm "hawt", but not "flat!"

Now...back to reading and trying to figure out who to send packin'!

Hey, welcome to the game and the board!

What part of CA are you from? I'm down in the LA/OC area.

[KWhit]

Hello all. Anybody have a vote count?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Hello all. Anybody have a vote count?

5) PurdueBrad - Claphamsa (141), The Jackal (150), Render (214), Passacaglia (222), Axxon (246)
4) Mccollins - Jetsin06 (142), Telle (176), oliegirl (187), henry296 (191)
4) Eaglefan - Alan T (155), Hoopsguy (197), path12 (203), PurdueBrad (204)
1) Oliegirl - Mccollins (125)
1) Axxon - Racer (128)
1) Hoopsguy - Eaglefan (136)
1) Path12 - Lonestargirl (185)
1) Jetsin06 - Mrs. Schmidty (240)


No vote: Kwhit, Chief Rum

[Chief Rum]

5) PurdueBrad - Claphamsa (141), The Jackal (150), PurdueBrad (214), Passacaglia (222), Axxon (246)
4) Mccollins - Jetsin06 (142), Telle (176), oliegirl (187), henry296 (191)
4) Eaglefan - Alan T (155), Hoopsguy (197), path12 (203), PurdueBrad (204)
1) Oliegirl - Mccollins (125)
1) Axxon - Racer (128)
1) Hoopsguy - Eaglefan (136)
1) Path12 - Lonestargirl (185)
1) Jetsin06 - Mrs. Schmidty (240)

Okay, here's an update, purely for myself.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Alan T

5) PurdueBrad - Claphamsa (141), The Jackal (150), Render (214), Passacaglia (222), Axxon (246)
4) Mccollins - Jetsin06 (142), Telle (176), oliegirl (187), henry296 (191)
4) Eaglefan - Alan T (155), Hoopsguy (197), path12 (203), PurdueBrad (204)
1) Oliegirl - Mccollins (125)
1) Axxon - Racer (128)
1) Hoopsguy - Eaglefan (136)
1) Path12 - Lonestargirl (185)
1) Jetsin06 - Mrs. Schmidty (240)


No vote: Kwhit, Chief Rum

And it was a waste of time, lol.

[KWhit]

Well.... I don't want a no-lynch, but tying things up at this point might tell us something with late switches between now and deadline.

Vote mccollins

[Racer]

Originally Posted by henry296

VOTE RendeR

Because he's a bengals fan.

Originally Posted by henry296

Hopfully I can get back on before 9, but it will be close.

I was unfair to RendeR and we need to consolidate votes. Automatically excluding voting for people that could help save you is a bad omen.

UNVOTE RendeR
VOTE mccollins

How is any vote in the first hour or so of the game any more unfair then another? Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "bad omen".


[b]Unvote Axxon[b]
Vote PurdueBrad

Anyways, as I said earlier, my Axxon vote is because of the way the last game has turned out. All of the initial votes on EagleFan came from what was probably dumb luck on EagleFan's part. After the first vote, there was a lot of quick pile on for him. Both mccollins and PurdueBrad have been praised about being good villagers so I'm changing my vote to the one I'm a little more weary of.

[Racer]

Unvote Axxon
Vote PurdueBrad

Since it got messed up the first time.

[Chief Rum]

I shouldn't dodge the leaders here, although not sure they are the best choices. But at this point, really, what do we know?

The second vote on hoops by EF bugs me a little, but looking at the time stamps, I just don't buy he knew about Alan's vote. Plus, really, who does that (looks to add a second vote right away)?

If I give EF the benefit of the doubt, it's between PB and mccollins. Not wild about either choice there either, but I am not one to sit on the fence for Day One. I think I'll be completely selfish with this one. I believe both PB and mccollins are strong players, but mccollins always seems to vote for me (feels that way anyway), so I'm going to vote for him.

This moves it into a tie, though, so I am prepared to change my vote if KWhit doesn't break the tie.

VOTE MCCOLLINS

[Alan T]

Every time Mccollins or Eaglefan get close to being in trouble, suddenly someone else shows up to help bump PurdueBrad higher.

[oliegirl]

I would really prefer to not have a tie/no lynch...as a rule I'm against no lynch as I don't think it tells us anything. It's werewolf, someone has to be the first to die. If we lynch someone we have a chance of getting a wolf, if we don't lynch anyone, we know he have no chance and we basically start day 2 back at square one...

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Every time Mccollins or Eaglefan get close to being in trouble, suddenly someone else shows up to help bump PurdueBrad higher.

Yep.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Racer

Unvote Axxon
Vote PurdueBrad

Since it got messed up the first time.

Okay, if my count is right, that does actually move it into a tie (6-6) between PB and mccollins. I will switch off of mccollins in 12 mins (10 mins before deadline) if there is still a tie. Plenty of time for anyone else to change up if they want (before and after).

I'm not a fan of ties after seeing too many no lynches.

Does anyone have any thoughts on which is actually the best player to vote for this game, BTW? This might be the time to make cases if anyone feels strongly.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Every time Mccollins or Eaglefan get close to being in trouble, suddenly someone else shows up to help bump PurdueBrad higher.

Does smell a little fishy.

[The Jackal]

Let's spice things up, then.

Unvote PB

Vote EF

[oliegirl]

My vote is on McCollins b/c he voted for me, I'm more than happy to move it to PB to avoid the tie...

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Every time Mccollins or Eaglefan get close to being in trouble, suddenly someone else shows up to help bump PurdueBrad higher.

Well, I can't help with that now. If we take that as a sign one or both of them are wolves, a switch to EF would only drop mccollins out of a tie with PB.

[LoneStarGirl]

11 members on with 18 minutes to go.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Let's spice things up, then.

Unvote PB

Vote EF

Okay, mccollins 6, EF 5, PB 5. Right?

[henry296]

At the time I voted for mccollins he was tied for the lead with PB and clap but said he wouldn't vote for either. That seemed odd at the time, but now that I look back on it maybe not so much. However, not much of a reason to change to PB yet.

[claphamsa]

lrtd take this to 2...

unvote pb
vote eaglesfan

[Racer]

I'm willing to move my vote to any of the three really. I just don't necessarily like the two quick pile on votes on EagleFan after Hoopsguy voted for him. Did it put him in the lead at the time or just tie things up? That makes a difference.