WW Dukes Versus Hunters (GAME OVER!!--See Post #1387)

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Why do you guys capitalize the D and M in today and tomorrow, by the way?

It distinguishes real-life days from WW Days. (Saturday-Monday is 3 days and 1 Day.)

[Raven]

I feel like I'm spinning wheels on D1 again. I originally voted Jackal because he seemed to be posting simply to pad his post count, so I was comfortable leaving my vote on him. Now that he's contributing, I'm not as comfortable leaving it there, so will likely be moving it, but not sure where.

[Autumn]

I want to see a vote count before I vote, but have caught up again. I'm enjoying the Duke/Hunter angle, and gives us something interesting to stratergize about day one. The fact that a Hunter can safely take out a Duke the day after he/she dukes, and vice-versa, should be a good balance to those abilities getting used. There's a very high chance you will die by using your ability, if not immediately then the next day, so you'd have to have a pretty strong read to do so. It would be more powerful for us to reserve our abilities as long as we can in the game, so that we can overpower the wolves toward the end.

I haven't seen any mention of the PM ability yet, but that will certainly prove crucial at some point. Please remember that if you use it, perhaps to get yourself out of a lynch, you are certainly feeding the wolves that info, as well as your faction, so think it through carefully.

[Autumn]

dola

I was thinking the PM went out to the whole faction, so I slightly revise what I said upon rereading. There is a chance you'll be giving into to the wolves, I should say.

[Shoveler]

Originally Posted by Autumn

dola

I was thinking the PM went out to the whole faction, so I slightly revise what I said upon rereading. There is a chance you'll be giving into to the wolves, I should say.

And there is good possibility that one if not two of the wolves have the duke pm ability. So they could be using the ability to manipulate as well.

[Autumn]

Chief Rum, are there rules against revealing or hinting at your identity in the content of your PM?

[Chief Rum]

Vote Tally (as of Post #256)

timmae (3)-- EagleFan (82), Vaimes (85), The Jackal (237)
Shoveler (2)-- MartinD (83), britrock83 (113)
The Jackal (2)-- Raven (106), timmae (154)
Vaimes (2)-- Shoveler (95), Zinto (163)
Zinto (1)-- Narcizo (108)
Grover (1)-- fontisian (210)
fontisian (3)-- MrBug708 (178), cheekimonk (190), Grover (202)
cheekimonk (1)-- JAG (197)


Yet To Vote: Autumn

[Autumn]

Chief, if The Blank attempts to shoot someone will that fact be advertised in thread and will it cancel other shot attempts?

[The Jackal]

I didn't realize timmae already had two votes on him, but I'm cool with seeing where this goes.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Chief, if The Blank attempts to shoot someone will that fact be advertised in thread and will it cancel other shot attempts?

Good question

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by JAG

I guess it's a red letter day then. I haven't voted seriously to this point anyway, mostly wanting to get some discussion going and ask questions of those I have. I'm a little weirded out by people following my votes though.

Unvote

For further notice, please anyone who wishes to just UNVOTE and not UNVOTE and VOTE in the same post, please include the player you're unvoting. I almost missed this from unvote from JAG because a simple bolded Unvote doesn't particularly stand out.

[MrBug708]

I have to Procter the state testing today so I'm limited. Can't even have cell phone on me until break

[The Jackal]

I feel like that came out of nowhere a game or two ago, the unvoting with no name next to it

[Autumn]

I know where I would vote among current votegetters if need be, but I don't have a strong suspicion there. So with plenty of time I'd rather go with someone I have a bad read on, just gut based on posts.

vote cheekimonk

[Shoveler]

Originally Posted by timmae

OOG: Just a heads up that I have offsite meetings from 8am until 4pm CST tomorrow (Tuesday).

Does this mean he wont be checking in through lynch time?

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I feel like that came out of nowhere a game or two ago, the unvoting with no name next to it

Things are different, friend, than in the old days. Come on over and have a lemonade.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Chief Rum, are there rules against revealing or hinting at your identity in the content of your PM?

I am presuming you're talking about the one PM everyone has the ability to send in the game?

You can put anything in that message. You can tell that person the Ducks will win the Stanley Cup this year if you like.

Just remember, everyone, these PMs go to me alone. And then I send it someone else (unknown to you, the sender).

[Grover]

unvote fontisian
vote MartinD

We've heard very little from him so far, I'd like to hear more..

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Chief, if The Blank attempts to shoot someone will that fact be advertised in thread and will it cancel other shot attempts?

There will likely be a theatrical scene where the Blank will fail miserably, yes.

And, also yes, the Blank firing will eliminate all other possible Hunter shots for that day.

[EagleFan]

I am puzzled but have a couple theories but want to see what plays out with tonight's vote before confusing myself further. I doubt that I will be around for the vote so I hope that we hit on a wolf.

I probably should have not jumped in this game when I saw it was an afternoon deadline so I apologize for my lack of involvement so far. At least tonight there will be more posts that I can sort through, and votes to analyze.


Some thoughts that I don't mind tipping my hand on:

Agree that it really doesn't help to reveal the duke/hunter roles at the moment. Maybe there will come a time in the game when it will but I am not seeing it at this point.

Want to find out more about the font declaration on Vaimes.

Not seeing what pinged anyone on cheek but I haven't read everything yet. What I saw looked more like a confused villager (I know because I have been) and nothing wolfish. Though I admit to not looking his way on day one this game after last game.

font was getting called out about voting but now Autumn seems to be delaying as well. Has he been called out?


There are a couple other observations but they aren't strong enough yet and I want to see if they make more sense after the vote (and more posts by those involved hopefully).

[Autumn]

Also to consider are the Duke and Hunter roles, some of which could be in the hands of wolves. A wolf or cultist who can find out the faction of players, for instance, could be a big benefit to the wolves, as could the other roles. Just something to keep in the back of our mind.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

There will likely be a theatrical scene where the Blank will fail miserably, yes.

And, also yes, the Blank firing will eliminate all other possible Hunter shots for that day.

--insert image of Elmer Fudd--

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Shoveler

Does this mean he wont be checking in through lynch time?

That appears to be correct. I'd cut against heading Timmae's way for a lynch simply for this reason. Let's pick up the thought tomorrow, by all means (I don't have a strong read either way), but we wouldn't get anything out of him today, from the looks of it.

[Narcizo]

Forgot about the PM thingy. I can't really see any way how that can be helpful to the village but who knows. Seems more useful in terms of hunters and dukes.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

For further notice, please anyone who wishes to just UNVOTE and not UNVOTE and VOTE in the same post, please include the player you're unvoting. I almost missed this from unvote from JAG because a simple bolded Unvote doesn't particularly stand out.

Just to be certain this is clear, I am only asking for this if all you do voting wise in a post is UNVOTE.

You can still follow the BGG format if you UNVOTE and VOTE in the same post. I haven't had any issues missing those.

[The Jackal]

Thanks for re-posting timmae's availability.

unvote timmae

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Things are different, friend, than in the old days. Come on over and have a lemonade.

Mm, refreshing.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Forgot about the PM thingy. I can't really see any way how that can be helpful to the village but who knows. Seems more useful in terms of hunters and dukes.

I can think of a way or two but nothing is certain, they could all be sabotaged by wolves.

[Autumn]

I want to keep the Cultist in mind too. If the Cultist is a duke they're going to use their liberally because they know they won't hit a wolf, and aren't worried about dying themselves. If they have a role as well, that could be worse. If they're a Hunter, same thing, they won't worry about bad guys and don't really care if they kill themselves.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

CULTIST-- You are a villager but you are a wannabe wolf. You win with the wolves, but count towards the village for win conditions. You know the wolves' identities and their Hunter/Duke allegiances. You cannot PM a player like the others, but you can receive PMs. You do not have a natural Hunter or Duke ability, although you will be a member of one of those teams. You have the ability to act as a member of one of those teams as if you were The Blank (Hunter team) or Stuttering Sam (Duke team). If you are attacked by the wolves, you will join them.

Originally Posted by Autumn

I want to keep the Cultist in mind too. If the Cultist is a duke they're going to use their liberally because they know they won't hit a wolf, and aren't worried about dying themselves. If they have a role as well, that could be worse. If they're a Hunter, same thing, they won't worry about bad guys and don't really care if they kill themselves.

Looks like we don't have to worry about the cultist using a duke/hunter power, since it doesn't seem like they'll get the ability.

[The Jackal]

In quoting that post I just noticed for the first time that the Cultist becomes a wolf if attacked. Want to make sure everyone else sees that too.

[Shoveler]

Of the current folks with votes the only one I was interested in moving my vote towards was timmae, based off of his assessment this morning that felt hollow. However, if he's not going to be around, I'll just keep my vote on Vaimes for now. I don't believe he's even chimed in since the beginning of the game yesterday. He may be town, as per font's read, but a little more contribution would help ease my mind.

[The Jackal]

vote zinto

[Shoveler]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

In quoting that post I just noticed for the first time that the Cultist becomes a wolf if attacked. Want to make sure everyone else sees that too.

Yep, so anyone that uses their ability to no effect needs to die.

[Shoveler]

Originally Posted by Shoveler

Yep, so anyone that uses their ability to no effect needs to die.

At least until we have a confirmed dead cultist.

BTW, what does DOLA stand for. I see that all the time when folks post back to back, can't figure that out via a google search.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Shoveler

Yep, so anyone that uses their ability to no effect needs to die.

Well, they know they are the cultist and don't have an ability. How would they use it?

There are a few known explanations for why an ability would result in no kill: sam/blank, medic/peacekeeper, and item blocks. But I don't think the cultist even has the choice of "using their ability"

[The Jackal]

I forget what DOLA actually stands for (if anything), but it essentially just means you are adding on to a thought from your previous post. Kinda like PS?

[Shoveler]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Well, they know they are the cultist and don't have an ability. How would they use it?

There are a few known explanations for why an ability would result in no kill: sam/blank, medic/peacekeeper, and item blocks. But I don't think the cultist even has the choice of "using their ability"

Go reread the quote in post #280. "You have the ability to act as the blank or stuttering sam"

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

There are a few known explanations for why an ability would result in no kill: sam/blank, medic/peacekeeper, and item blocks. But I don't think the cultist even has the choice of "using their ability"

meant no kill/no lynch, since i was including the duke stoppers

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Shoveler

Go reread the quote in post #280. "You have the ability to act as the blank or stuttering sam"

I think that just means they are like blank or sam in that they are a part of their faction but don't have any powers.

[The Jackal]

oh and dola is also supposed to be an unbroken chain of posts

[Shoveler]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I think that just means they are like blank or sam in that they are a part of their faction but don't have any powers.

I disagree, and I dont think we can assume that is the case. Unless Chief clarifies this point we have to go with what the description states, they can act.. so therefore they can try to screw with a duke ability (assuming if they use their non-ability it would force the unknown tiebreaker with another duke using their ability?).. or they could shut down the hunters by jumping the gun with their blank ability.. depending on which side they fall on.

[cheekimonk]

I think timmae is keeping a lower profile, but that would be townread to me as he was all over this board when he was wolf in WoT (all over with his LIES). Like others, would like to hear more from Vaimes and I didn't expect my vote to stay where it was anyway:

unvote fontisian
vote Vaimes

[cheekimonk]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

oh and dola is also supposed to be an unbroken chain of posts

Can I take this opp to ask what "dola" means?

[Chief Rum]

Dola is an old, old FOFC reference.

A couple FOFC board iterations back, we had a troll poster named Dolamite. He was really annoying. His particular habit was to string along several posts in a row, each with some small statement or bit of information instead of putting it all in one post.

He got banned, IIRC, although it was for something else, not the post habits.

Anyway, from that, we started to say "dola" at the start of a new post where we were the last post prior to that. Kinda like short for "my apologies, I am pulling a Dolamite".

We also use tri- or triple dola and so forth, or point out when someone broke up our dola attempt by posting while we were typing the dola post.

[Shoveler]

Chief can you confirm whether or not the cultist can use the action they dont really have?

[MartinD]

Originally Posted by Grover

unvote fontisian
vote MartinD

We've heard very little from him so far, I'd like to hear more..

I haven't exactly been around much - checked in this morning before going to work (about 1.30 Eastern), but didn't have anything to add at that point, and am not long in from work.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Dola is an old, old FOFC reference.

A couple FOFC board iterations back, we had a troll poster named Dolamite. He was really annoying. His particular habit was to string along several posts in a row, each with some small statement or bit of information instead of putting it all in one post.

He got banned, IIRC, although it was for something else, not the post habits.

Anyway, from that, we started to say "dola" at the start of a new post where we were the last post prior to that. Kinda like short for "my apologies, I am pulling a Dolamite".

We also use tri- or triple dola and so forth, or point out when someone broke up our dola attempt by posting while we were typing the dola post.

I remember he was already gone before I came along, so this was a good 15+ years ago, btw!

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Shoveler

Chief can you confirm whether or not the cultist can use the action they dont really have?

Nope.

[Raven]

btw, Chief...just noticed we joined in the same month! Oct 2000