2014-15 NFL Offseason Thread (Non Draft Edition) - Page 6

stevew · 01-08-2015, 09:20 PM

2014 Ellington averaged 3.3ypc. He seems more like a good tandem back.

stevew · 01-08-2015, 09:23 PM

Dola-

I think we're way too far on the "RB's are largely interchangeable" axis. Maybe the middle 80% are, but the top 10% are great.

Dutch · 01-08-2015, 09:37 PM

Bucs hire Falcons outgoing OC Koetter as their OC. Many people on the Bucs board are sure this means the Jameis Winston era is about to begin. I am no expert on these two...so I guess there is a lot of "Wait and see" from my point of view. Hope it ends well though.

bhlloy · 01-08-2015, 10:03 PM

Thinking about the QB's available in the draft and that Chip Kelly would probably love to plug Mariota in his system - if Philly offers you Foles for the first overall pick, do you say yes? Foles and a first?

Danny · 01-08-2015, 10:09 PM

No I would want foles, your entire draft and next years #1. Foles value is not that great

stevew · 01-08-2015, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

No I would want foles, your entire draft and next years #1. Foles value is not that great

At least 3 #1s, 2 #2s and 3s and Foles

Suicane75 · 01-09-2015, 01:10 AM

Foles will have a much better career than Winston or Mariota, so I'm fine with leaving him right where he is.

miked · 01-09-2015, 09:32 AM

This is still the same Jameis Winston that threw 18 picks, right? And taking out his top game against the Citadel he's even worse. I know we talk about tools and all, but when do actual numbers get bandied about?

Buccaneer · 01-09-2015, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny

No I would want foles, your entire draft and next years #1. Foles value is not that great

I think you are way over-valuing Winston and perhaps Mariota.

cartman · 01-09-2015, 11:18 AM

Former Dolphins player swims 9 miles after falling off boat

Julio Riddols · 01-09-2015, 01:21 PM

Why do so many people think Mariota is not that good? I understand the system he is in.. But he has been head and shoulders better than any of his predecessors at Oregon, especially Dennis Dixon, who was undersized but might have been able to develop into something of a decent backup given playing time.. Mariota has prototype size and a good arm, a track record of avoiding turnovers like the plague, and enough speed to be incredibly dangerous with his feet as well. He is coming off a season where he essentially mirrored Russell Wilsons best season in college except with a lot more efficient rushing numbers. He is also remarkably consistent and by all accounts has a good head on his shoulders.

Mariota looks to me like he is essentially somewhere between Wilson and Aaron Rodgers, AKA a QB I would give my arm and leg and probably a nut for.

miami_fan · 01-09-2015, 04:24 PM

I see this as another opportunity for NFL teams for show how important off field character is. Given all the rhetoric that I have heard over the last six months or so, Winston will probably be worth a third round gamble.

Lathum · 01-09-2015, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

Why do so many people think Mariota is not that good? I understand the system he is in.. But he has been head and shoulders better than any of his predecessors at Oregon, especially Dennis Dixon, who was undersized but might have been able to develop into something of a decent backup given playing time.. Mariota has prototype size and a good arm, a track record of avoiding turnovers like the plague, and enough speed to be incredibly dangerous with his feet as well. He is coming off a season where he essentially mirrored Russell Wilsons best season in college except with a lot more efficient rushing numbers. He is also remarkably consistent and by all accounts has a good head on his shoulders.

Mariota looks to me like he is essentially somewhere between Wilson and Aaron Rodgers, AKA a QB I would give my arm and leg and probably a nut for.

He plays on the West Coast so no one sees him and just thinks he is a QB from a gimmicky system.

DaddyTorgo · 01-09-2015, 05:20 PM

Non Draft edition and yet here we are talking about draft picks...

sabotai · 01-10-2015, 12:08 PM

Osi and Pierce talk about Spags and why the Giants should bring him back.

Vacchiano: Ex-Giants say Spagnuolo would be great for 'D' - NY Daily News

Julio Riddols · 01-10-2015, 12:43 PM

When are the hirings going to start? There have been a shit ton of interviews, but nobody has been decided on yet - Or am I missing something?

BillJasper · 01-10-2015, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

When are the hirings going to start? There have been a shit ton of interviews, but nobody has been decided on yet - Or am I missing something?

The pace does seem a bit slow when compared to other years. I don't think Quinn or Gase or Del Rio or McDaniels or Hamilton can interview again until their respective teams are eliminated from the playoffs.

Abe Sargent · 01-10-2015, 06:09 PM

TD RAvens baby!

stevew · 01-10-2015, 08:22 PM

Thank Christ we fired LeBeau. He was like 75% of the problem.

BillJasper · 01-10-2015, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Thank Christ we fired LeBeau. He was like 75% of the problem.

I remember a lot of Steelers fans complaining about Bruce Arians being the problem too. Have you guys won a playoff game since chasing him away?

stevew · 01-10-2015, 09:01 PM

You can't get quality 3/4 personnel anymore. The year Tyson Jackson went 3rd overall as 5 technique should have been a wake-up call to try something else.

I was fine with changing out Arians, the offense has been solid. If anything Arians should have bbeen promoted.

BillJasper · 01-10-2015, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

You can't get quality 3/4 personnel anymore. The year Tyson Jackson went 3rd overall as 5 technique should have been a wake-up call to try something else.

I don't know. With plenty of injuries, they were a middle of the pack defense. Tomlin pushed LeBeau out to try and save his own job.

BillJasper · 01-10-2015, 09:30 PM

Rex Ryan getting second interview with Bills | ProFootballTalk

I think a team hiring Rex without a QB already in place is a huge mistake.

JPhillips · 01-10-2015, 11:06 PM

Rex would be a good fit in ATL with the right OC.

Atocep · 01-10-2015, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

Rex Ryan getting second interview with Bills | ProFootballTalk

I think a team hiring Rex without a QB already in place is a huge mistake.

He's apparently telling teams trestman will be his OC.

Blackadar · 01-11-2015, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew

Thank Christ we fired LeBeau. He was like 75% of the problem.

Year Pass D/Run D/Scoring D
2004 4 1 3
2005 9 5 3
2006 20 3 11
2007 3 3 2
2008 1 2 1
2009 16 3 12
2010 12 1 1
2011 1 8 1
2012 1 2 6
2013 9 21 14
2014 27 6 18

So awful. The Steelers would have won 4 or 5 championships if LeBeau was decent.

albionmoonlight · 01-11-2015, 08:44 AM

It's like Rex Ryan considers coaching a good QB as against his own personal house rules.

Good get for Buffalo.

CU Tiger · 01-11-2015, 08:53 AM

Rex to ATL just made too much sense I suppose.
I can't imagine Spiller re-signs in Buffalo now.
At least I hope not.

NobodyHere · 01-11-2015, 08:53 AM

Buffalo Bills set to hire Rex Ryan as head coach - NFL.com

CU Tiger · 01-11-2015, 08:58 AM

Just doing some digging for another thought ...does anyone else realize that among all players with 100+ carries
Russel Wilson averages 7.4ypc
Next is Colin K at 6.5ypc then you go all the way down to Justin Forcette at 5.4ypc

Thats quite an impressive spread

BillJasper · 01-11-2015, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Buffalo Bills set to hire Rex Ryan as head coach - NFL.com

Thought I finally got rid of that fat sumbitch from the AFC East and here he goes and resurfaces in Buffalo.

Buccaneer · 01-11-2015, 10:26 AM

I think that loudmouth is going to have to figure out how the defense can score all of the points in games.

MacroGuru · 01-11-2015, 11:01 AM

Shit....that's all I can say about this....Rex is going to seriously question my Bills fandom....

Julio Riddols · 01-11-2015, 11:11 AM

Not only that, but if he takes on Greg Roman as the OC, say good bye to wins. Really a kind of inexplicable hire IMO.

CU Tiger · 01-11-2015, 11:17 AM

Tressman is apparently the OC.

BillJasper · 01-11-2015, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

Not only that, but if he takes on Greg Roman as the OC, say good bye to wins. Really a kind of inexplicable hire IMO.

Maybe they're planning on using Manuel in the read option? Though I think Trestman would be the better option at offensive coordinator.

BillJasper · 01-11-2015, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Tressman is apparently the OC.

Report: Greg Roman expected to join Rex Ryan in Buffalo | ProFootballTalk

kingfc22 · 01-11-2015, 11:48 AM

Yes. Please take Roman!

Thomkal · 01-11-2015, 12:02 PM

No doubt the Bills will now trade up to get Winston so Rex has yet another immature not ready for the NFL QB to mess up

I think this was more the new owners wanting a "big name" more than a perfect fit with someone like Frank Reich. And I would have thought Rex would want nothing more to do with the AFC East after the last couple of years in NY. ATL would have been the ideal spot for him I think.

Man the Buffalo/Jets games will just be crazy if the Jets hire Marrone now.

Julio Riddols · 01-11-2015, 12:57 PM

I think Buffalo will end up with Mark Sanchez at QB.

stevew · 01-11-2015, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackadar

Year Pass D/Run D/Scoring D
2004 4 1 3
2005 9 5 3
2006 20 3 11
2007 3 3 2
2008 1 2 1
2009 16 3 12
2010 12 1 1
2011 1 8 1
2012 1 2 6
2013 9 21 14
2014 27 6 18

So awful. The Steelers would have won 4 or 5 championships if LeBeau was decent.

When your defense is 30th in DVOA(in a 5 year downward trend) I guess they would have had to have done better in 15

Thomkal · 01-11-2015, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

I think Buffalo will end up with Mark Sanchez at QB.

With Geno Smith as the backup I'm sure-that would be hilarious.

Scoobz0202 · 01-11-2015, 02:49 PM

Would like to see a replay of that 3rd down play. Looked short to me

NobodyHere · 01-11-2015, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

I think Buffalo will end up with Mark Sanchez at QB.

Nah I think Rex realizes the error of his ways,

he's going to go get Tebow.

Dutch · 01-11-2015, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Nah I think Rex realizes the error of his ways,

he's going to go get Tebow.

He needs a guy like his dad had at Philly.

corbes · 01-11-2015, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch

He needs a guy like his dad had at Philly.

One of the reasons Buddy got fired was for yanking Cunningham around...

cuervo72 · 01-11-2015, 09:31 PM

Yep - was going to say, the sons' flaw is the same as the father's. Buddy didn't give a rat's ass about the offense while he was in Philly, and by many accounts fostered an environment that pitted the offense and defense against each other. He had Randall, but never supported him with an offensive line and never had a back that could do much of anything (though without an O-line...but still: Michael Haddix. Anthony Toney. Keith Byars.)

Galaril · 01-11-2015, 09:50 PM

And that game may have been the last for Manning :Peyton Manning noncommital for 2015 after loss to Colts; More locker room reaction - The Denver Post

Atocep · 01-11-2015, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril

And that game may have been the last for Manning :Peyton Manning noncommital for 2015 after loss to Colts; More locker room reaction - The Denver Post

He was so banged up the 2nd half of this year that he was a shell of himself so it wouldn't be surprising. I told my son before the game today that if the Broncos lose I think that's probably it for Peyton.

Dutch · 01-11-2015, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Yep - was going to say, the sons' flaw is the same as the father's. Buddy didn't give a rat's ass about the offense while he was in Philly, and by many accounts fostered an environment that pitted the offense and defense against each other. He had Randall, but never supported him with an offensive line and never had a back that could do much of anything (though without an O-line...but still: Michael Haddix. Anthony Toney. Keith Byars.)

Agree 100%...I was angling at the idea that RC was successful in spite of a Ryan. With the salary cap...anything is possible!!!

01-08-2015, 09:37 PM	#253
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	Bucs hire Falcons outgoing OC Koetter as their OC. Many people on the Bucs board are sure this means the Jameis Winston era is about to begin. I am no expert on these two...so I guess there is a lot of "Wait and see" from my point of view. Hope it ends well though. Last edited by Dutch : 01-08-2015 at 09:38 PM.

01-09-2015, 09:32 AM	#258
miked College Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The Dirty	This is still the same Jameis Winston that threw 18 picks, right? And taking out his top game against the Citadel he's even worse. I know we talk about tools and all, but when do actual numbers get bandied about? __________________ Commish of the United Baseball League (OOTP 6.5)

01-09-2015, 11:18 AM	#260
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Former Dolphins player swims 9 miles after falling off boat __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

01-09-2015, 01:21 PM	#261
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	Why do so many people think Mariota is not that good? I understand the system he is in.. But he has been head and shoulders better than any of his predecessors at Oregon, especially Dennis Dixon, who was undersized but might have been able to develop into something of a decent backup given playing time.. Mariota has prototype size and a good arm, a track record of avoiding turnovers like the plague, and enough speed to be incredibly dangerous with his feet as well. He is coming off a season where he essentially mirrored Russell Wilsons best season in college except with a lot more efficient rushing numbers. He is also remarkably consistent and by all accounts has a good head on his shoulders. Mariota looks to me like he is essentially somewhere between Wilson and Aaron Rodgers, AKA a QB I would give my arm and leg and probably a nut for. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA Last edited by Julio Riddols : 01-09-2015 at 01:36 PM.

01-09-2015, 04:24 PM	#262
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	I see this as another opportunity for NFL teams for show how important off field character is. Given all the rhetoric that I have heard over the last six months or so, Winston will probably be worth a third round gamble. __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

01-08-2015, 09:20 PM	#251
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	2014 Ellington averaged 3.3ypc. He seems more like a good tandem back.

01-08-2015, 09:23 PM	#252
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Dola- I think we're way too far on the "RB's are largely interchangeable" axis. Maybe the middle 80% are, but the top 10% are great.

01-08-2015, 10:03 PM	#254
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Thinking about the QB's available in the draft and that Chip Kelly would probably love to plug Mariota in his system - if Philly offers you Foles for the first overall pick, do you say yes? Foles and a first?

01-08-2015, 10:09 PM	#255
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	No I would want foles, your entire draft and next years #1. Foles value is not that great

01-09-2015, 01:10 AM	#257
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	Foles will have a much better career than Winston or Mariota, so I'm fine with leaving him right where he is.

01-09-2015, 05:20 PM	#264
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Non Draft edition and yet here we are talking about draft picks...

01-10-2015, 12:08 PM	#265
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Osi and Pierce talk about Spags and why the Giants should bring him back. Vacchiano: Ex-Giants say Spagnuolo would be great for 'D' - NY Daily News

01-10-2015, 12:43 PM	#266
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	When are the hirings going to start? There have been a shit ton of interviews, but nobody has been decided on yet - Or am I missing something? __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

01-10-2015, 06:09 PM	#268
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	TD RAvens baby! __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

01-10-2015, 08:22 PM	#269
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Thank Christ we fired LeBeau. He was like 75% of the problem.

01-10-2015, 09:01 PM	#271
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	You can't get quality 3/4 personnel anymore. The year Tyson Jackson went 3rd overall as 5 technique should have been a wake-up call to try something else. I was fine with changing out Arians, the offense has been solid. If anything Arians should have bbeen promoted.

01-10-2015, 09:30 PM	#273
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	Rex Ryan getting second interview with Bills \| ProFootballTalk I think a team hiring Rex without a QB already in place is a huge mistake. __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

01-10-2015, 11:06 PM	#274
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Rex would be a good fit in ATL with the right OC. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

01-11-2015, 08:44 AM	#277
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	It's like Rex Ryan considers coaching a good QB as against his own personal house rules. Good get for Buffalo.

01-11-2015, 08:53 AM	#278
CU Tiger Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Backwoods, SC	Rex to ATL just made too much sense I suppose. I can't imagine Spiller re-signs in Buffalo now. At least I hope not.

01-11-2015, 08:53 AM	#279
NobodyHere Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013	Buffalo Bills set to hire Rex Ryan as head coach - NFL.com __________________ "I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney"

01-11-2015, 08:58 AM	#280
CU Tiger Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Backwoods, SC	Just doing some digging for another thought ...does anyone else realize that among all players with 100+ carries Russel Wilson averages 7.4ypc Next is Colin K at 6.5ypc then you go all the way down to Justin Forcette at 5.4ypc Thats quite an impressive spread

01-11-2015, 10:26 AM	#282
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	I think that loudmouth is going to have to figure out how the defense can score all of the points in games.

01-11-2015, 11:01 AM	#283
MacroGuru Coordinator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Utah	Shit....that's all I can say about this....Rex is going to seriously question my Bills fandom.... __________________ "forgetting what is in the past, I strive for the future"

01-11-2015, 11:11 AM	#284
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	Not only that, but if he takes on Greg Roman as the OC, say good bye to wins. Really a kind of inexplicable hire IMO. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA Last edited by Julio Riddols : 01-11-2015 at 11:12 AM.

01-11-2015, 11:17 AM	#285
CU Tiger Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Backwoods, SC	Tressman is apparently the OC.

01-11-2015, 11:48 AM	#288
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Yes. Please take Roman! __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

01-11-2015, 12:02 PM	#289
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	No doubt the Bills will now trade up to get Winston so Rex has yet another immature not ready for the NFL QB to mess up I think this was more the new owners wanting a "big name" more than a perfect fit with someone like Frank Reich. And I would have thought Rex would want nothing more to do with the AFC East after the last couple of years in NY. ATL would have been the ideal spot for him I think. Man the Buffalo/Jets games will just be crazy if the Jets hire Marrone now.

01-11-2015, 12:57 PM	#290
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	I think Buffalo will end up with Mark Sanchez at QB. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

01-11-2015, 02:49 PM	#293
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	Would like to see a replay of that 3rd down play. Looked short to me

01-11-2015, 09:31 PM	#297
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Yep - was going to say, the sons' flaw is the same as the father's. Buddy didn't give a rat's ass about the offense while he was in Philly, and by many accounts fostered an environment that pitted the offense and defense against each other. He had Randall, but never supported him with an offensive line and never had a back that could do much of anything (though without an O-line...but still: Michael Haddix. Anthony Toney. Keith Byars.) __________________ null

01-11-2015, 09:50 PM	#298
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	And that game may have been the last for Manning :Peyton Manning noncommital for 2015 after loss to Colts; More locker room reaction - The Denver Post

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