WW CII Salem Witch Trials GAME OVER - VILLAGE WINS - Page 6

Schmidty · 10-01-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

On another note, would a 4:00 deadline tomorrow work for everyone? I know it would work better for at least a couple people.

The later, the better, so it's good for me.

Schmidty · 10-01-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Day 1:

Claphamsa 4 - Danny J23 MartinD AbeSargent
Passacaglia 6 - TheJackal Lathum Darth Vilus PurdueBrad GoldenEagle Kwhit
The Jackal 5 - Lerriuqs Telle Claphamsa Passacaglia Schmidty

Quoting this so it's at the top of the new page.

J23 · 10-01-2009, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Okay. So looking back over the late vote switches, it looks like I could have been trying to save Jackal. I see what Pass and Telle were saying now. I assure that's not the case.

I thought Clap and Pass were tied at the time, and I moved my vote onto Pass to try to ensure we saved clap. It looks like clap was safe at the time I made my vote change, but I wasn't sure of that at the time.

This is why I hate late reveals. Turns into chaos and makes late vote analysis difficult due to confusion.

I believe you KWhit!

GoldenEagle · 10-01-2009, 04:13 PM

Well, the kills really did not teach us much but at least we did not lose our bodyguard or seer.

I have no real suspicions at this point, but if clap is telling the truth, then I have to cast an eye toward Abe. I am not saying I am going to vote for him, but I would to explore that direction.

GoldenEagle · 10-01-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by J23

I believe you KWhit!

Lathum · 10-01-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

On another note, would a 4:00 deadline tomorrow work for everyone? I know it would work better for at least a couple people.

TBH it makes no difference for me by the time I get home it will be after deadline.

I will likely vote early again and then be AWOL.

J23 · 10-01-2009, 04:27 PM

It doesn't matter to me unless later gets to 6PM EST or so. I'll deal with whatever is easiest for you to manage

Lathum · 10-01-2009, 04:29 PM

OK, just read through it all.

At this point I think we have no choice but to believe clap much the way we believed Jackal last game until the real truth came out.

If Clap is lying and the real BG is out there I suggest NOT coming out, the truth will surface soon enough.

As far as the timing of the reveal I have no issues with it. Until Schmidty voted the vote was very much in question, plus with a 24 hour deadline it gives the wolves less chance to change their target. I wasn't online at deadline and I don't know who was, but if the wolves were away during Clap's reveal they didn't have a chance to change because of the timing of it. (TBH I think seeing who is online at the deadline is sort of meta-gamey).

Given his vote KWhit was an odd choice given he put the nail in Pass' coffin, making it look like he was saving Clap or Jackal. But he is also a solid player and they may have just decided to go seer hunting.

I think we can learn a TON from this vote. IMO the logical lynch candidate tomorrow barring any information is Jackal. That will tell us a lot about the purpose of peoples votes.

The Jackal · 10-01-2009, 04:49 PM

Okay, guys, I just caught up on the thread.

I'm the bodyguard. There's no reason for me to lie about this, and since clap is lying, I'm willing to sacrifice myself to get us a wolf.

The Jackal · 10-01-2009, 04:50 PM

I don't know why he chose to reveal as the BG. You can lynch me if you want, as they'll kill me tomorrow night if you do believe me and lynch clap.

I really don't want to get into a whole fake reveal BS as I just went through that last game, but I can't let him lie like that.

The Jackal · 10-01-2009, 04:51 PM

I'm not going to let them know who I lynched to keep them on their toes, in case you all will believe me. But after last game, I'm not sure I have very much goodwill. But ask yourselves why I would lie about this now.

Lathum · 10-01-2009, 04:51 PM

Well this is certainly a familiar situation.

The Jackal · 10-01-2009, 04:51 PM

*lynched = protected

Lathum · 10-01-2009, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

I'm not going to let them know who I lynched to keep them on their toes, in case you all will believe me. But after last game, I'm not sure I have very much goodwill. But ask yourselves why I would lie about this now.

huh?

The Jackal · 10-01-2009, 04:52 PM

And as I'm going to die in the lynch or in the night phase anyways, I'd take a strong look at who moved to protect clap by pushing a run on me at the end, as well as the people on Pass.

The Jackal · 10-01-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

huh?

I added an addendum already, don't worry.

GoldenEagle · 10-01-2009, 04:53 PM

Clap may have just trying to save his skin. It does not necessarily mean he s a wolf that he faked revealed.

The Jackal · 10-01-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Clap may have just trying to save his skin. It does not necessarily mean he s a wolf that he faked revealed.

I really hope that isn't the case, and it would be an absolutely boneheaded play from a villager. He could be the sorceror if there is one of those, but either way, if he's not bad, I'm going to be very upset with him after this game is over - just as many of you were upset with him after last game, I'm sure.

Lathum · 10-01-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Clap may have just trying to save his skin. It does not necessarily mean he s a wolf that he faked revealed.

If it was anyone but Clap I would discount this theory, but with him you never know.

Lathum · 10-01-2009, 04:57 PM

Jackal, assuming you are telling the truth why come out now?

No reason to go 1-1 trade in this spot, just makes no sense to me.

The Jackal · 10-01-2009, 04:58 PM

And yes Telle - I already told you why I chose to have a discussion with you. 1, because I was pretty sure I wasn't going to be in the thread near the deadline (which I announced, and hey, look at that, I almost got lynched, thanks!) and 2, because the timing of your vote with where the other votes were was suspicious. Did you see me jump on KWhit even though he had his vote there all day? No, but he's certainly pinged the wolfdar because of it. Anyone that was on me or Pass is in the running now (and I don't honestly care if you believe me right now or not, you're going to find out I'm telling the truth soon enough, so just remember that for when I'm dead).

The Jackal · 10-01-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Jackal, assuming you are telling the truth why come out now?

No reason to go 1-1 trade in this spot, just makes no sense to me.

Because I was probably going to get lynched by the end of today anyways. Why reveal right before the deadline instead? At least this way there will be some discussion about it and I won't be an automatic choice. You guys were going to leave clap alone with no counter, and though it's a sacrifice of a BG - I have to assume clap is either a wolf or the sorceror, and I'd lean towards wolf.

The Jackal · 10-01-2009, 05:03 PM

A fake reveal BG can get away with being alive a lot longer than a fake reveal seer because they can claim that the wolves didn't target them because they didn't know who they protected the night before - plus they have no idea who the seer is (either the BG or the wolves) and the seer is more important.

That's another reason why I'm coming out with it.

The Jackal · 10-01-2009, 05:04 PM

I had contemplated revealing for a while yesterday but decided to hope I'd squeak through and stay under the radar for a bit with enough heat that the wolves wouldnt target me for a NK - but then that run happened one me while I was gone, wonderful, and clap has to go out and fake reveal as my role. Why did you have to do that, clap? Grr.

The Jackal · 10-01-2009, 05:05 PM

And just to start the party off -

Vote clap

The Jackal · 10-01-2009, 05:06 PM

Does that make sense, Lathum?

The Jackal · 10-01-2009, 05:07 PM

If that was a bad play from the BG, I'm sorry, but all indications based on what happened with the vote were that I'd be the main candidate today and have to reveal at some point anyways, and I'd rather not drag it out and say things like "oh well, you really shouldnt vote for me because itd hurt the village".

Lathum · 10-01-2009, 05:07 PM

off to class, looking forward to hearing from Clap

The Jackal · 10-01-2009, 05:11 PM

I honestly don't even want to argue with clap, it's just going to make me tired. And hockey season is starting today, baby! (Of course it doesn't officially start until the Flyers play, -coughscrewyouPBcough-. But I'm not just going to give up. I hope you guys do end up believing me, and I'll answer any questions.

The Jackal · 10-01-2009, 05:13 PM

And Lathum, I would have agreed with you, if the BG had been anyone but me (the person who was the most under fire on day 1 aside from the lynch victim and the fake reveal) - he should have stayed quiet, because clap would live for a few days and then you'd know - but it was me, so I didn't have a choice.

PurdueBrad · 10-01-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

-coughscrewyouPBcough-.

Now is that any way to win a person's support?

Guys, I say we sacrifice Jackal first because he sounds sickly with that cough and all. I mean, how good can a sick bodyguard really be anyway?

kidding

vote Claphamsa

claphamsa · 10-01-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Okay, guys, I just caught up on the thread.

I'm the bodyguard. There's no reason for me to lie about this, and since clap is lying, I'm willing to sacrifice myself to get us a wolf.

what? thats ridiculous! the BG is more useful than a wolf... IF I were lying I would get caught eventually (im not FYI) so why bother revealing? this makes no sense

(if your fake reveal gets me killed 2 games in a row, im gonna be SOOOO MAD)

claphamsa · 10-01-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

I don't know why he chose to reveal as the BG. You can lynch me if you want, as they'll kill me tomorrow night if you do believe me and lynch clap.

I really don't want to get into a whole fake reveal BS as I just went through that last game, but I can't let him lie like that.

if your the BG cant you just protect yourself? oh wait... your not!

claphamsa · 10-01-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

I'm not going to let them know who I lynched to keep them on their toes, in case you all will believe me. But after last game, I'm not sure I have very much goodwill. But ask yourselves why I would lie about this now.

lulz! we already know you killed KWHIT!

JACKYL IS LYING!

claphamsa · 10-01-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

*lynched = protected

freudian slip?

claphamsa · 10-01-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Clap may have just trying to save his skin. It does not necessarily mean he s a wolf that he faked revealed.

i did not fake reveal, and any villager who does that is not helping the village... i might not be verygood, but im not stupid :P

claphamsa · 10-01-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

If it was anyone but Clap I would discount this theory, but with him you never know.

dick :P

claphamsa · 10-01-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

I had contemplated revealing for a while yesterday but decided to hope I'd squeak through and stay under the radar for a bit with enough heat that the wolves wouldnt target me for a NK - but then that run happened one me while I was gone, wonderful, and clap has to go out and fake reveal as my role. Why did you have to do that, clap? Grr.

wow even making wolfy sounds?

and this is exaclty what happend last game.... incredible!

Danny · 10-01-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

huh? you're not sure if i'm a wolf, but since you can't swing momentum toward me, you have to vote me?

Catching up, he was saying swing momentum toward one or two of the people who voted you, not swing momentum toward you. Personally I think there was likely a wolf on you early as well as I felt you were likely a villager. You're dead now, so this reply doesn't mean much though.

claphamsa · 10-01-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

I honestly don't even want to argue with clap, it's just going to make me tired. And hockey season is starting today, baby! (Of course it doesn't officially start until the Flyers play, -coughscrewyouPBcough-. But I'm not just going to give up. I hope you guys do end up believing me, and I'll answer any questions.

funy, im going out to watch the caps home opener, but i have to be home in time to see the #19 go into the rafters :'(

claphamsa · 10-01-2009, 05:31 PM

first, i need to learn to multiquote!

second

vote jackyl

third im the BG hes a wolf... just like last game he was a wolf.....

The Jackal · 10-01-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

funy, im going out to watch the caps home opener, but i have to be home in time to see the #19 go into the rafters :'(

Sakic was a hell of a player, enjoy that.

Back to the game - you can yell and use capital letters all you like, you aren't going to get a rise out of me. If I end up getting lynched here, fine, I deserve some bad will from the last game - but my case for revealing makes legitimate sense, so people will have a decision to make. Just yelling at them is silly. And it's not like you "caught" me stumbling across a PM I sent to KWhit in this game, either. These are two reveals, people can weigh them against each other and decide what they like. Good luck, wolfie.

Danny · 10-01-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

I hate seeing people jumping on clap, but I think even if unsaid, people are punishing him for his play in the last game.

Maybe the first couple, but my vote had nothing to do with that. Jackyl was pretty defensive in votes against him, I've seen that from him as a wolf and villager, so I am not leaning one way or the other on him. Pass I felt was likely not a wolf from his play. Clap was in the middle ground as well, but I felt more comfortable going with those who had votes on Clap than those on Jackyl.

claphamsa · 10-01-2009, 05:34 PM

ok, thinking logic here... jacyl faked because he figured he would be the prime candidate today.... so if there is a chance he can get you to lynch me great (PB i s already on board) since its not like its hard to lynch me...

so here is a thought... do any of you really think I could pull off a fake reveal?

The Jackal · 10-01-2009, 05:35 PM

so your two arguments are that i was a wolf last game and you're too inept to pull off a fake reveal? haha.

claphamsa · 10-01-2009, 05:36 PM

ok, stepping even further back, IF jackyl is telling the truth (hes not) hes dead no matter what..... so lynching him makes more sense, I may (or may not) be able to protect myslef... jackyl almost def would have protected himself. so the wolves just kill him.

so.... vote jackyl friday afternoon!

The Jackal · 10-01-2009, 05:37 PM

If I'm telling the truth it makes more sense to lynch me first? Common now! Make sense with your arguments.

claphamsa · 10-01-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Sakic was a hell of a player, enjoy that.

Back to the game - you can yell and use capital letters all you like, you aren't going to get a rise out of me. If I end up getting lynched here, fine, I deserve some bad will from the last game - but my case for revealing makes legitimate sense, so people will have a decision to make. Just yelling at them is silly. And it's not like you "caught" me stumbling across a PM I sent to KWhit in this game, either. These are two reveals, people can weigh them against each other and decide what they like. Good luck, wolfie.

im not yelling at you, i know your a wolf, you know your a wolf, its the others that i worry about...... they bought your crapola last time....

Danny · 10-01-2009, 05:37 PM

Well that is very interesting and excellent Clap. If true, that means we had a wolf in the sights day 1, so wealready have a meaningful vote now. With that said, there was no BG block, so your info makes no sense with your reveal. If you're really the seer, I am sure you are not fooling the wolves with your reveal, so you would be better telling us the truth and not leaving your reveal to not be believed.

Abe Sargent · 10-01-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Okay, guys, I just caught up on the thread.

I'm the bodyguard. There's no reason for me to lie about this, and since clap is lying, I'm willing to sacrifice myself to get us a wolf.

vote claphamsa

10-01-2009, 04:13 PM	#254
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	Well, the kills really did not teach us much but at least we did not lose our bodyguard or seer. I have no real suspicions at this point, but if clap is telling the truth, then I have to cast an eye toward Abe. I am not saying I am going to vote for him, but I would to explore that direction. __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

10-01-2009, 04:53 PM	#267
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	Clap may have just trying to save his skin. It does not necessarily mean he s a wolf that he faked revealed. __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

10-01-2009, 05:31 PM	#291
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	first, i need to learn to multiquote! second vote jackyl third im the BG hes a wolf... just like last game he was a wolf..... __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

10-01-2009, 05:34 PM	#294
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	ok, thinking logic here... jacyl faked because he figured he would be the prime candidate today.... so if there is a chance he can get you to lynch me great (PB i s already on board) since its not like its hard to lynch me... so here is a thought... do any of you really think I could pull off a fake reveal? __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

10-01-2009, 05:36 PM	#296
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	ok, stepping even further back, IF jackyl is telling the truth (hes not) hes dead no matter what..... so lynching him makes more sense, I may (or may not) be able to protect myslef... jackyl almost def would have protected himself. so the wolves just kill him. so.... vote jackyl friday afternoon! __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

10-01-2009, 04:27 PM	#257
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	It doesn't matter to me unless later gets to 6PM EST or so. I'll deal with whatever is easiest for you to manage

10-01-2009, 04:29 PM	#258
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	OK, just read through it all. At this point I think we have no choice but to believe clap much the way we believed Jackal last game until the real truth came out. If Clap is lying and the real BG is out there I suggest NOT coming out, the truth will surface soon enough. As far as the timing of the reveal I have no issues with it. Until Schmidty voted the vote was very much in question, plus with a 24 hour deadline it gives the wolves less chance to change their target. I wasn't online at deadline and I don't know who was, but if the wolves were away during Clap's reveal they didn't have a chance to change because of the timing of it. (TBH I think seeing who is online at the deadline is sort of meta-gamey). Given his vote KWhit was an odd choice given he put the nail in Pass' coffin, making it look like he was saving Clap or Jackal. But he is also a solid player and they may have just decided to go seer hunting. I think we can learn a TON from this vote. IMO the logical lynch candidate tomorrow barring any information is Jackal. That will tell us a lot about the purpose of peoples votes.

10-01-2009, 04:49 PM	#259
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Okay, guys, I just caught up on the thread. I'm the bodyguard. There's no reason for me to lie about this, and since clap is lying, I'm willing to sacrifice myself to get us a wolf.

10-01-2009, 04:50 PM	#260
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I don't know why he chose to reveal as the BG. You can lynch me if you want, as they'll kill me tomorrow night if you do believe me and lynch clap. I really don't want to get into a whole fake reveal BS as I just went through that last game, but I can't let him lie like that.

10-01-2009, 04:51 PM	#261
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I'm not going to let them know who I lynched to keep them on their toes, in case you all will believe me. But after last game, I'm not sure I have very much goodwill. But ask yourselves why I would lie about this now.

10-01-2009, 04:51 PM	#262
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Well this is certainly a familiar situation.

10-01-2009, 04:51 PM	#263
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	*lynched = protected

10-01-2009, 04:52 PM	#265
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	And as I'm going to die in the lynch or in the night phase anyways, I'd take a strong look at who moved to protect clap by pushing a run on me at the end, as well as the people on Pass.

10-01-2009, 04:57 PM	#270
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Jackal, assuming you are telling the truth why come out now? No reason to go 1-1 trade in this spot, just makes no sense to me.

10-01-2009, 04:58 PM	#271
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	And yes Telle - I already told you why I chose to have a discussion with you. 1, because I was pretty sure I wasn't going to be in the thread near the deadline (which I announced, and hey, look at that, I almost got lynched, thanks!) and 2, because the timing of your vote with where the other votes were was suspicious. Did you see me jump on KWhit even though he had his vote there all day? No, but he's certainly pinged the wolfdar because of it. Anyone that was on me or Pass is in the running now (and I don't honestly care if you believe me right now or not, you're going to find out I'm telling the truth soon enough, so just remember that for when I'm dead).

10-01-2009, 05:03 PM	#273
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	A fake reveal BG can get away with being alive a lot longer than a fake reveal seer because they can claim that the wolves didn't target them because they didn't know who they protected the night before - plus they have no idea who the seer is (either the BG or the wolves) and the seer is more important. That's another reason why I'm coming out with it.

10-01-2009, 05:04 PM	#274
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I had contemplated revealing for a while yesterday but decided to hope I'd squeak through and stay under the radar for a bit with enough heat that the wolves wouldnt target me for a NK - but then that run happened one me while I was gone, wonderful, and clap has to go out and fake reveal as my role. Why did you have to do that, clap? Grr.

10-01-2009, 05:05 PM	#275
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	And just to start the party off - Vote clap

10-01-2009, 05:06 PM	#276
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Does that make sense, Lathum?

10-01-2009, 05:07 PM	#277
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	If that was a bad play from the BG, I'm sorry, but all indications based on what happened with the vote were that I'd be the main candidate today and have to reveal at some point anyways, and I'd rather not drag it out and say things like "oh well, you really shouldnt vote for me because itd hurt the village".

10-01-2009, 05:07 PM	#278
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	off to class, looking forward to hearing from Clap

10-01-2009, 05:11 PM	#279
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I honestly don't even want to argue with clap, it's just going to make me tired. And hockey season is starting today, baby! (Of course it doesn't officially start until the Flyers play, -coughscrewyouPBcough-. But I'm not just going to give up. I hope you guys do end up believing me, and I'll answer any questions.

10-01-2009, 05:13 PM	#280
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	And Lathum, I would have agreed with you, if the BG had been anyone but me (the person who was the most under fire on day 1 aside from the lynch victim and the fake reveal) - he should have stayed quiet, because clap would live for a few days and then you'd know - but it was me, so I didn't have a choice.

10-01-2009, 05:35 PM	#295
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	so your two arguments are that i was a wolf last game and you're too inept to pull off a fake reveal? haha.

10-01-2009, 05:37 PM	#297
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	If I'm telling the truth it makes more sense to lynch me first? Common now! Make sense with your arguments.

10-01-2009, 05:37 PM	#299
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Well that is very interesting and excellent Clap. If true, that means we had a wolf in the sights day 1, so wealready have a meaningful vote now. With that said, there was no BG block, so your info makes no sense with your reveal. If you're really the seer, I am sure you are not fooling the wolves with your reveal, so you would be better telling us the truth and not leaving your reveal to not be believed.

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