Trump Indictment/Trial thread-2023 - Page 6

MJ4H · 07-21-2023, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

So with a case number of this magnitude I wonder if the trial would even conclude with a verdict in time for the election? It seems like Trump will run anyways unless of course he gets a fed conviction which i thought I heard makes a person ineligible for POTUS.

The only conviction that would make him ineligible would be for insurrection.

Galaril · 07-21-2023, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MJ4H

The only conviction that would make him ineligible would be for insurrection.

Holy shit what a fucked up country this is. Any felony should eliminate him.

GrantDawg · 07-21-2023, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

So with a case number of this magnitude I wonder if the trial would even conclude with a verdict in time for the election? It seems like Trump will run anyways unless of course he gets a fed conviction which i thought I heard makes a person ineligible for POTUS.

"Candidates for president must: Be a natural-born citizen of the United States. Be at least 35 years old. Have been a resident of the United States for 14 years."
Those are the only rules of eligibility for President. You could be in federal prison for capital murder, and still be elected president.

GrantDawg · 07-21-2023, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MJ4H

The only conviction that would make him ineligible would be for insurrection.

Only exception.

GrantDawg · 07-21-2023, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

Holy shit what a fucked up country this is. Any felony should eliminate him.

It was never added to the Constitution. I don't think the framers or even those who wrote later amendments ever thought that there would ever be anyone that would garner enough votes to win with a felony conviction.

PilotMan · 07-24-2023, 02:34 PM

“Crooked Joe Biden and the Radical Left Democrats, Fascists, and Marxists.”

Is going to be the name of my new band.

Flasch186 · 07-24-2023, 09:02 PM

Make sure you have insane swag ready to sell even before you know how to play instruments

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Thomkal · 07-27-2023, 11:21 AM

There has been reporting today that Trump's lawyers are meeting with the Special Counsel today to persuade him to not persecute.

albionmoonlight · 07-27-2023, 01:06 PM

Very unlikely to succeed. But you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

MJ4H · 07-27-2023, 01:34 PM

It's apparently just a normal thing that happens. He's getting indicted, no question.

Ksyrup · 07-27-2023, 01:56 PM

It's probably unlikely he'll ever agree to any kind of plea because the indictment and even a conviction ensures him of millions of more dollars in fundraising/grifting and martyr status amongst his followers, but at this point, I think I'd be willing to entertain an agreement where he's spared any kind of detention if he agrees to never run for any office again for the rest of his life.

GrantDawg · 07-27-2023, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

It's probably unlikely he'll ever agree to any kind of plea because the indictment and even a conviction ensures him of millions of more dollars in fundraising/grifting and martyr status amongst his followers, but at this point, I think I'd be willing to entertain an agreement where he's spared any kind of detention if he agrees to never run for any office again for the rest of his life.

There have been some of his people that floated he would be willing to take that plea, but I don't buy it. I think they want the prosecutor to offer that so they can parade it around as proof the charges are politically motivated.

Ksyrup · 07-27-2023, 02:35 PM

That's certainly the spin. The other way to look at it is he's so dangerous when in a position of power that we'd rather forego putting him in jail than risk him being elected again.

Thomkal · 07-27-2023, 03:22 PM

heh its all fake news of course:

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/s...13031320223766

GrantDawg · 07-27-2023, 04:03 PM

Loved this response:
A good meeting for Trump’s lawyers is one where the lawyers don’t get indicted themselves. — Gerry Mander (@_Gerry_Mander) July 27, 2023

Thomkal · 07-27-2023, 04:12 PM

Brian Swartz · 07-27-2023, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KSyrup

I think I'd be willing to entertain an agreement where he's spared any kind of detention if he agrees to never run for any office again for the rest of his life.

I wouldn't. I think that:

- It's more important, not less, to prosecute people who have power and abuse it.
- Trump himself is not the problem from an election standpoint. The problem is his supporters - or arguably, a system that gives them as much power as they have - and that problem doesn't go away if Trump doesn't run. There's nothing stopping another version of him from filling the void.

Ksyrup · 07-27-2023, 04:17 PM

I get what you're saying, but Trump is a unique personality and I don't think someone can be as effective simply filling that void by trying to be him. DeSantis can't do it. Josh Hawley or Ted Cruz certainly ain't gonna do it.

I don't disagree with your point - I certainly want him to pay for any crimes he is convicted of. But I'd also not like to see the snowball's chance in hell of him becoming president again. The McConnell thing just illustrates that we're one Biden medical episode in September of 2024 of the entire race suddenly being thrown into chaos.

GrantDawg · 07-27-2023, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

The McConnell thing just illustrates that we're one Biden medical episode in September of 2024 of the entire race suddenly being thrown into chaos.

Which is why I was hoping Biden wouldn't run.

GrantDawg · 07-27-2023, 04:26 PM

Meanwhile:
BREAKING: Fulton County courthouse in Atlanta gets barricades in place. DA Fani Willis previously asked judges not to schedule trials for first 2 weeks of August. Trump indictments -- a dozen or more, including maybe of Lindsey Graham -- are coming. pic.twitter.com/TsnW92IrYG — Tristan Snell (@TristanSnell) July 27, 2023

molson · 07-27-2023, 04:56 PM

I wish I had the foresight to invest in barricade companies.

GrantDawg · 07-27-2023, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

I wish I had the foresight to invest in barricade companies.

Trump finally built a wall!

GrantDawg · 07-27-2023, 06:16 PM

There is going to be another indictment announced today, but it is going to be another charge in the documents case. They are also adding another defendant.

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GrantDawg · 07-27-2023, 06:24 PM

Obstruction of justice. He ordered an employee to delete camera footage after it had been subpoenaed.

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flere-imsaho · 07-27-2023, 08:36 PM

Two for two this page with zingers, GrantDawg. Quality work!

GrantDawg · 07-28-2023, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Two for two this page with zingers, GrantDawg. Quality work!

I appreciate the compliment from a master.

SirFozzie · 07-28-2023, 02:51 PM

MEIN GOTT.

https://twitter.com/metroadlib/statu...93956414640129

Every bit of this is "Hey, we're doing crimes. you ok with doing crimes? Because Trump wants you to do crimes."

CrimsonFox · 07-28-2023, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Two for two this page with zingers, GrantDawg. Quality work!

GrantDawg · 07-30-2023, 11:06 AM

Opinion | I’m a conservative who believes Hillary should have been summarily executed for wiping her server and thwarting the FBI. But charging Trump for deleting security footage and obstructing the shitlibs at the FBI smacks of prosecutorial overreach. — New York Times Pitchbot (@DougJBalloon) July 29, 2023

albionmoonlight · 07-30-2023, 11:19 AM

Also hilarious that Trump--one of the most famously tight-fisted people alive--is going out of his way to pay for lawyers for anyone and everyone in his orbit who might have an incentive to cooperate against him. This is apparently out of the goodness of his heart.

PilotMan · 07-30-2023, 11:23 AM

Haberman dropped a tidbit that he had to ask for something like a 40-60M refund from his PAC to pay for lawyers.

Thomkal · 07-30-2023, 03:24 PM

Grant, I know someone who has been in and around classified documents his whole adult life and worked in the White House when the Clintons were there and just can't stand her. Says she should be in jail for the rest of her life over what she did with the documents.

He was pretty gung-ho for Trump too, but when he was here over the holidays I almost couldn't believe my ears when he called Trump the worst President ever. So some Conservatives can change I guess

Atocep · 07-30-2023, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan

Haberman dropped a tidbit that he had to ask for something like a 40-60M refund from his PAC to pay for lawyers.

He's apparently spent roughly $40 million on attorneys this year alone.

MJ4H · 07-30-2023, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

Grant, I know someone who has been in and around classified documents his whole adult life and worked in the White House when the Clintons were there and just can't stand her. Says she should be in jail for the rest of her life over what she did with the documents.

He was pretty gung-ho for Trump too, but when he was here over the holidays I almost couldn't believe my ears when he called Trump the worst President ever. So some Conservatives can change I guess

Some are changing and some are digging in their heels. Luckily, I firmly believe it's not a huge percentage that are digging in their heels. I guess we'll see soon, because only complete morons would vote for Trump at this point, and yes I mean that with my full chest.

Brian Swartz · 07-30-2023, 04:59 PM

I still say that's not meaningfully more true now than it was in 2016. The gap between 2016 Trump and a decent presidential candidate is far, far greater than the gap between 2016 Trump and 2023 Trump.

flere-imsaho · 07-30-2023, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan

Haberman dropped a tidbit that he had to ask for something like a 40-60M refund from his PAC to pay for lawyers.

Hold up, I thought he was a multi-billionaire?

albionmoonlight · 07-31-2023, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Hold up, I thought he was a multi-billionaire?

In fairness, you become a multi-billionaire by spending other people's money, not your own.

NobodyHere · 07-31-2023, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

In fairness, you become a multi-billionaire by spending other people's money, not your own.

Yup

Trump team launching legal defense fund to help pay legal bills

GrantDawg · 08-01-2023, 05:00 PM

Sounds like the next indictments might be coming momentarily.

RainMaker · 08-01-2023, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan

Haberman dropped a tidbit that he had to ask for something like a 40-60M refund from his PAC to pay for lawyers.

This is a blatant violation of campaign finance laws.

Thomkal · 08-01-2023, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Sounds like the next indictments might be coming momentarily.

Yeah straight from Trump's mouth:

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/stat...78126958997504

Ksyrup · 08-01-2023, 05:08 PM

It's such a small thing, but I love how Trump always adds "me" to his "your favorite President" line.

GrantDawg · 08-01-2023, 05:14 PM

Hmmmm....Alert. Grand jury has handed up a sealed case. Summons issue. Case remains sealed per prosecutor request and judge order — Scott MacFarlane (@MacFarlaneNews) August 1, 2023

GrantDawg · 08-01-2023, 05:32 PM

TRUMP INDICTED FOR THIRD TIME pic.twitter.com/rgtik0eH8r — Jamie Dupree (@jamiedupree) August 1, 2023

Qwikshot · 08-01-2023, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

TRUMP INDICTED FOR THIRD TIME pic.twitter.com/rgtik0eH8r — Jamie Dupree (@jamiedupree) August 1, 2023

His death would make America better. Do It Trumpy.

molson · 08-01-2023, 06:04 PM

And then the Georgia indictment is still expected in the next few weeks. Is there anything else? It's hard to keep track.

GrantDawg · 08-01-2023, 06:16 PM

I think that is it directly on Trump. We'll, except there is still possible indictments in the documents case in other venues.

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molson · 08-01-2023, 06:30 PM

Who knows, he might strangle a hooker by then.

Edward64 · 08-01-2023, 07:01 PM

A nice trifecta.

FYI 4 in a row is superfecta.

If he wins, the next constitutional crisis will be "can a President pardon himself".

Galaril · 08-01-2023, 07:03 PM

So what is the likelihood he stalks all these trials and /or gets convicted in a few then gets elected and pardons himself. I am starting to think he cosnsiders a way to get votes on the right. The first NY Times poll came out today and Biden Trump were each at 43 % with 14 % saying they will either vote 3rd party or still not decided. Geez our the Democrats going to screw this up ?

07-24-2023, 02:34 PM	#256
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07-27-2023, 11:21 AM	#258
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	There has been reporting today that Trump's lawyers are meeting with the Special Counsel today to persuade him to not persecute. __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!

07-27-2023, 01:56 PM	#261
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	It's probably unlikely he'll ever agree to any kind of plea because the indictment and even a conviction ensures him of millions of more dollars in fundraising/grifting and martyr status amongst his followers, but at this point, I think I'd be willing to entertain an agreement where he's spared any kind of detention if he agrees to never run for any office again for the rest of his life. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

07-27-2023, 02:35 PM	#263
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	That's certainly the spin. The other way to look at it is he's so dangerous when in a position of power that we'd rather forego putting him in jail than risk him being elected again. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

07-27-2023, 01:06 PM	#259
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Very unlikely to succeed. But you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

07-27-2023, 01:34 PM	#260
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	It's apparently just a normal thing that happens. He's getting indicted, no question.

07-27-2023, 03:22 PM	#264
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	heh its all fake news of course: https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/s...13031320223766 __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!

07-27-2023, 04:03 PM	#265
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Loved this response: `A good meeting for Trump’s lawyers is one where the lawyers don’t get indicted themselves. — Gerry Mander (@_Gerry_Mander) July 27, 2023`

07-27-2023, 04:12 PM	#266
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Ha! __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!

07-27-2023, 04:17 PM	#268
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I get what you're saying, but Trump is a unique personality and I don't think someone can be as effective simply filling that void by trying to be him. DeSantis can't do it. Josh Hawley or Ted Cruz certainly ain't gonna do it. I don't disagree with your point - I certainly want him to pay for any crimes he is convicted of. But I'd also not like to see the snowball's chance in hell of him becoming president again. The McConnell thing just illustrates that we're one Biden medical episode in September of 2024 of the entire race suddenly being thrown into chaos. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

07-27-2023, 04:26 PM	#270
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Meanwhile: `BREAKING: Fulton County courthouse in Atlanta gets barricades in place. DA Fani Willis previously asked judges not to schedule trials for first 2 weeks of August. Trump indictments -- a dozen or more, including maybe of Lindsey Graham -- are coming. pic.twitter.com/TsnW92IrYG — Tristan Snell (@TristanSnell) July 27, 2023`

07-27-2023, 04:56 PM	#271
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	I wish I had the foresight to invest in barricade companies.

07-27-2023, 06:16 PM	#273
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	There is going to be another indictment announced today, but it is going to be another charge in the documents case. They are also adding another defendant. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk

07-27-2023, 06:24 PM	#274
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Obstruction of justice. He ordered an employee to delete camera footage after it had been subpoenaed. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk Last edited by GrantDawg : 07-27-2023 at 06:24 PM.

07-27-2023, 08:36 PM	#275
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	Two for two this page with zingers, GrantDawg. Quality work!

07-28-2023, 02:51 PM	#277
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	MEIN GOTT. https://twitter.com/metroadlib/statu...93956414640129 Every bit of this is "Hey, we're doing crimes. you ok with doing crimes? Because Trump wants you to do crimes." __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

07-30-2023, 11:06 AM	#279
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	`Opinion \| I’m a conservative who believes Hillary should have been summarily executed for wiping her server and thwarting the FBI. But charging Trump for deleting security footage and obstructing the shitlibs at the FBI smacks of prosecutorial overreach. — New York Times Pitchbot (@DougJBalloon) July 29, 2023`

07-30-2023, 11:19 AM	#280
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Also hilarious that Trump--one of the most famously tight-fisted people alive--is going out of his way to pay for lawyers for anyone and everyone in his orbit who might have an incentive to cooperate against him. This is apparently out of the goodness of his heart. Last edited by albionmoonlight : 07-30-2023 at 11:19 AM.

07-30-2023, 11:23 AM	#281
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	Haberman dropped a tidbit that he had to ask for something like a 40-60M *refund* from his PAC to pay for lawyers. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

07-30-2023, 03:24 PM	#282
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Grant, I know someone who has been in and around classified documents his whole adult life and worked in the White House when the Clintons were there and just can't stand her. Says she should be in jail for the rest of her life over what she did with the documents. He was pretty gung-ho for Trump too, but when he was here over the holidays I almost couldn't believe my ears when he called Trump the worst President ever. So some Conservatives can change I guess __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time! Last edited by Thomkal : 07-30-2023 at 03:25 PM.

07-30-2023, 04:59 PM	#285
Brian Swartz Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2006	I still say that's not meaningfully more true now than it was in 2016. The gap between 2016 Trump and a decent presidential candidate is far, far greater than the gap between 2016 Trump and 2023 Trump.

08-01-2023, 05:00 PM	#289
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Sounds like the next indictments might be coming momentarily.

08-01-2023, 05:08 PM	#292
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	It's such a small thing, but I love how Trump always adds "me" to his "your favorite President" line. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

08-01-2023, 05:14 PM	#293
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Hmmmm....`Alert. Grand jury has handed up a sealed case. Summons issue. Case remains sealed per prosecutor request and judge order — Scott MacFarlane (@MacFarlaneNews) August 1, 2023`

08-01-2023, 05:32 PM	#294
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	`TRUMP INDICTED FOR THIRD TIME pic.twitter.com/rgtik0eH8r — Jamie Dupree (@jamiedupree) August 1, 2023`

08-01-2023, 06:04 PM	#296
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	And then the Georgia indictment is still expected in the next few weeks. Is there anything else? It's hard to keep track.

08-01-2023, 06:16 PM	#297
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	I think that is it directly on Trump. We'll, except there is still possible indictments in the documents case in other venues. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk

08-01-2023, 06:30 PM	#298
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Who knows, he might strangle a hooker by then.

08-01-2023, 07:01 PM	#299
Edward64 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2005	A nice trifecta. FYI 4 in a row is superfecta. If he wins, the next constitutional crisis will be "can a President pardon himself". Last edited by Edward64 : 08-01-2023 at 07:03 PM.

08-01-2023, 07:03 PM	#300
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	So what is the likelihood he stalks all these trials and /or gets convicted in a few then gets elected and pardons himself. I am starting to think he cosnsiders a way to get votes on the right. The first NY Times poll came out today and Biden Trump were each at 43 % with 14 % saying they will either vote 3rd party or still not decided. Geez our the Democrats going to screw this up ?

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