Lost: Season 1 & 2 Discussions

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by gottimd

Well, I made a mistake, apparently it is being reported now that the other voice on the other side of Boones radio transmission said "We're the Survivors of Oceanic Flight 815", not "There are no Survivors of Oceanic Flight 815". So knowing this now, I would guess and say the other half of the plane that crashed is stuck somewhere on the island, and has a radio, and they were responding to Boone. There have been reports of new castaways being introduced shortly (Daniel Roebuck).

Where did this come from? I wonder if the black lady's husband survived after all, then.

[gottimd]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Where did this come from? I wonder if the black lady's husband survived after all, then.

Spoiler site. It is possible that he survived. This "revelation" will probably be the end of the season, as in a cliffhanger, where they run into the other group of people. Maybe Sayid/Jack will be out looking for Locke and they walk through some dense forest and all of the sudden come upon a campsite that is around the backside of the plane or something.

They just re-signed Lost to another season recently, so obviously not everything will be answered or season 2 will suck. I just hope the show doesn't go on a "Soprano's" like 3 year hiatus for a new season to start.

Edit: I would post the link to the spoiler sites, but it would entice those who may not want to know to actually press it.

[jbmagic]

didn't they find the other part of the plane in the first or 2nd episode and found the pilot before he got kill?

there was no one alive nearby.

[gottimd]

No, that was the front end, their part of the plane.

The Tail of the plane is the other part that I think they will "run into" later in the season.

[jbmagic]

this island must be real big, for them not to see each other yet.

i know they shot flares in the sky on the early episode. surprise the other castaway didnt see it.

[gottimd]

I'm sure that will be explained. Maybe they are facing the other direction? Surrounded by Trees? They are all blind? Or to take up time they are creating a mock FOF game, and they are in the midst of drafting?

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by gottimd

Well, I made a mistake, apparently it is being reported now that the other voice on the other side of Boones radio transmission said "We're the Survivors of Oceanic Flight 815", not "There are no Survivors of Oceanic Flight 815"

This is not true. It has circulated due to a viewer posting a transcript with that line at the lost-tv.com site (a fan site). That is what one viewer thought she heard, but since it is posted in a transcript, people seem to be accepting it as official. The data sent in the closed captioning read, "there were no survivors of Oceanic Flight 815." There are screenshots somewhere on the web, but I cannot seem to find them now.

[amdaily]

Originally Posted by gottimd

I just hope the show doesn't go on a "Soprano's" like 3 year hiatus for a new season to start.

With the current schedule of every new episode being followed by 4 weeks off, they should be able to avoid this

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by Samdari

This is not true. It has circulated due to a viewer posting a transcript with that line at the lost-tv.com site (a fan site). That is what one viewer thought she heard, but since it is posted in a transcript, people seem to be accepting it as official. The data sent in the closed captioning read, "there were no survivors of Oceanic Flight 815." There are screenshots somewhere on the web, but I cannot seem to find them now.

I don't know if you can accept closed captioning as fact. I've watched many a show where the closed captioning seems pretty far off base.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

this island must be real big, for them not to see each other yet.

i know they shot flares in the sky on the early episode. surprise the other castaway didnt see it.

it doesn't have to be real big, just a decent size. I mean, another set of people could probably be as close as 15 miles away and go undiscovered to this point.

[Swaggs]

I didn't see Locke in this episode. Is this the first time a main character has been MIA for the entire show?

[timmynausea]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I didn't see Locke in this episode. Is this the first time a main character has been MIA for the entire show?

Nah. In fact, it has been a regular occurance for one (or more) of the characters to not be in a particular episode at all. (As an example, I'm pretty sure Walt was also absent from tonight's episode.) In this case it is perhaps more significant considering where we last saw Locke and the situation with his legs.

[Easy Mac]

No, walt was there for a while tonight.

i've noticed charlie disappearing, but i'm not sure about the entire show... same with Said and Sawyer. I think its obvious Jack and Locke have been the focal points (and Kate, but she's really just the female Jack).

[timmynausea]

Most of you have probably seen this before http://www.tvtome.com/Lost/guide.html but there is a lot of good information and insteresting stuff in there. It lists the times that people have been out for entire episodes along with a ton of other stuff. I haven't checked back through, but I'm pretty sure that tonight was the first time without one of the two or three main characters. The other characters are out for entire episodes surprisingly often. Last week Shannon, Charlie, Walt and Claire were all out.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by timmynausea

Most of you have probably seen this before http://www.tvtome.com/Lost/guide.html but there is a lot of good information and insteresting stuff in there. It lists the times that people have been out for entire episodes along with a ton of other stuff. I haven't checked back through, but I'm pretty sure that tonight was the first time without one of the two or three main characters. The other characters are out for entire episodes surprisingly often. Last week Shannon, Charlie, Walt and Claire were all out.

Great site. Thanks for posting.

I see other assorted characters have missed some episodes, as well. It seemed as if they had all appeared, if not had lines, before. Oh well.

I'm still liking this show a lot. Sucks to be the actor that plays Boone.

[Pyser]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhoooowwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!

i was ready to scream in pain that entire episode. jesus, that all looked like it hurt a lot! not much new information, though, that i saw. no tie-ins to other characters in the backstory either, i dont think (which i dont miss).

if they did the baby and a death all in one episode, i cant wait to see what they have lined up for the end of season.

[gottimd]

Same here, I was just imagining how that could feel amputing a leg WITHOUT any anesthesia (sp?). You can't tell me a tightly wrapped towel would have stopped the bleeding? I was thinking, wouldn't they have to burn the arteries closed as well, AGAIN, without any anesthesia. Oh how that would tickle! Time to check the spoiler boards.

Too many Speculations to write, so if you feel inclined...
Here

[panerd]

Originally Posted by timmynausea

Most of you have probably seen this before http://www.tvtome.com/Lost/guide.html but there is a lot of good information and insteresting stuff in there. It lists the times that people have been out for entire episodes along with a ton of other stuff. I haven't checked back through, but I'm pretty sure that tonight was the first time without one of the two or three main characters. The other characters are out for entire episodes surprisingly often. Last week Shannon, Charlie, Walt and Claire were all out.

This isn't a spoiler site, is it? I went to a site last year to check on some background on the wire and got an earful of what the next 3 epiosdes were going to be. I know this is up some people's alley (my sister is big on spoliers) but I never really understand the desire to as the name says "spoil" a show I haven't seen before.

[gottimd]

No, I don't believe the tvtome site is a spoiler site, just recaps on episodes or summaries of them.

The one I linked in is a spoiler/speculation/discussion board.

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

I don't know if you can accept closed captioning as fact. I've watched many a show where the closed captioning seems pretty far off base.

For episodic content, it is typed in from the script, and can be considered definitive.

[KWhit]

Great episode last night. Glad they finally had the guts to go through with it.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by panerd

This isn't a spoiler site, is it? I went to a site last year to check on some background on the wire and got an earful of what the next 3 epiosdes were going to be. I know this is up some people's alley (my sister is big on spoliers) but I never really understand the desire to as the name says "spoil" a show I haven't seen before.

for a show like Lost i don't see how anyone would want to know what happens in advance. the not-knowing and trying to formulate your own theories is half the fun. the only thing Lost has going for it is its mysteries, take those away and i don't think you're left with much. the only time i'll read a spoiler would be if i absolutely know i won't ever see a movie. i fail to see how anyone would find value in knowing in advance what's gonna happen in future episodes. internet geeks are the worst, always gotta be in the know, i feel dirty reading some of your posts cuz i don't want to be affected with your geekness.

[Loki]

I agree with HA.

I feel like an asshead whenever I peek at the spoilers.

I can't help myself either.

[rkmsuf]

Do you have an asshat for your asshead?

[Anthony]

i don't peek though, i have discipline. i only watch like one or two shows (all with my wife), i'm more of a internet-as-a-timewaster kinda guy, so when i do watch a show i want to be fully entertained. Lost is a nice show, but like i said, without the mystery it's not like we're left with Oscar award winning-calibre performances or great plots.

horses for courses i guess. if this were the 90's it wouldn't do you much good to go to a Seinfeld or Friends spoiler site and peak at the jokes beforehand...

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Great episode last night. Glad they finally had the guts to go through with it.

I agree. I think they have hinted at so many things that ended up not happening in their "scenes from the next Lost", that I was convinced the shot of Boone saying "Let me go Jack" in last week's trailer defnitively meant that Boone was NOT going to die. If you read the spoiler sites, you knew that someone had to die when the baby was born. I figured we were going to lose another extra, while Boone miraculously survived.

[Raven]

Interesting site, there. Found these of special interest.

When Locke's mother (Swoosie Kurtz) ask where items are located in the store at the beginning Locke (Terry O'Quinn) says "isles 8 & 15." Flight 815 was the flight and they were two of Hurley's lotto numbers. These numbers have importance because they keep putting them in our face!


The copier Charlie was trying to sell had the same number as the flight number of the plane.

[Raiders Army]

BTW, the Lost Boys are going to be on the cover of Entertainment Weekly...issue #815.

[Pyser]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

BTW, the Lost Boys are going to be on the cover of Entertainment Weekly...issue #815.

its about freakin time they put the coreys back on the cover of EW! I've waited FOREVER!!!!

[rafini]

Originally Posted by Pyser

its about freakin time they put the coreys back on the cover of EW! I've waited FOREVER!!!!

[jbmagic]

A theory from the Fuselage by Chocotaku:

"Do the numbers (4-8-15-16-23-42) possibly give away something bigger about the castaways? Originally they planned Lost to go on for 6 seasons. Maybe the numbers tell us the final castaway count after the end of each season. 42 surviving after the end of the first season, 23 after the end of the second, etc. I'm sure up until 16 they could thin out the lesser known castaways like Sceve or the lady who drowned in the Ocean. Maybe take out a major regular once a season to keep the drama around. They started at 47 survivors and have dwindled down to if my math is right 43 now. If the rumor of another person dying this season is true, then they would end up at 42 for the end of this season. "

[jbmagic]

Ian Somerhalder (Boone) on last night's ''Lost'' shocker: In his first interview since Boone went bye-bye, the actor tells EW about getting that fateful call from producers, his theory on what the writers were thinking, and where he'll go from here.

http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1045702_3_0_,00.html

[KWhit]

Interesting. Here's something from the article.

Brief obit: Boone Carlisle, 28, son of a bridal-shop magnate; died from injuries sustained while investigating a small plane stuck in a big tree (said plane fell out of said tree while Boone was inside); took to his grave the possible revelation that there might be other survivors on the island (voices on the radio in said plane suggested as much).

That seems to back up what someone posted earlier about what was said over the radio.

[KWhit]

Of course in another article on the same website:

As many of you pointed out, I was wrong last week about the voice on the radio on the plane: Boone didn't hear, as I thought, ''We are the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815.'' Upon further review, it does sound a lot more like ''There were no survivors of blah blah blah . . .'' But my question to you is this: How would that voice know? Could it be that said voice would know because said voice is also a survivor, currently somewhere else on the island, who has wrongfully assumed that no one else survived?

[Raiders Army]

Adds Lindelof: ''The show is about the conflict between Jack and Locke. Boone's death will be a divisive point between them.''

Good vs. evil? An interesting twist would be for Locke to be the good guy and Jack to be the bad guy.

[gottimd]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

A theory from the Fuselage by Chocotaku:

"Do the numbers (4-8-15-16-23-42) possibly give away something bigger about the castaways? Originally they planned Lost to go on for 6 seasons. Maybe the numbers tell us the final castaway count after the end of each season. 42 surviving after the end of the first season, 23 after the end of the second, etc. I'm sure up until 16 they could thin out the lesser known castaways like Sceve or the lady who drowned in the Ocean. Maybe take out a major regular once a season to keep the drama around. They started at 47 survivors and have dwindled down to if my math is right 43 now. If the rumor of another person dying this season is true, then they would end up at 42 for the end of this season. "

I just posted something on another site in regards to this same post. In contradiction to this post, they are supposedly introducing another set of survivors, so that would make the total of this season go up. For instance, if the tail end of the plane survivors are found, and there are 43 of them as well, wouldn't that make the number go to 86? I guess if that above philosophy were true, all 43 of the new survivors would say hello, and drop dead? If you want to toy with those numbers, then maybe the other group of survivors, there are 23 of them, and that group that Ethan belonged to, there are 16 of them, only 15 survive in total out of all three groups, and they are picked up after being there for 8 years and 4 months?

Who the hell knows. Or maybe the 15 survivors must battle 8 wookies and 4 Jedi's to get off the island?

[JasonC23]

Originally Posted by gottimd

Or maybe the 15 survivors must battle 8 wookies and 4 Jedi's to get off the island?

Best. Show. Ever.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by JasonC23

Best. Show. Ever.

that'd be a massacre, let's get real.

now, survivors vs. 4 combat trained angry 8 year old kids....now that is a show.

[gottimd]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

now, 16 survivors with 15 Strobe Lights going vs. 4 combat trained angry 8 year old kids....now that is a show.

Fixed it for you.

[Raven]

I don't know about the numbers representing survivors (and deaths), that just doesn't seem to take the storyline in the right direction for me.

I'm stuck on those numbers though. They really have my interest. I thought Hurley's episode was one of the best yet. Especially when the "crazy guy" seemed perfectly mentally stable as soon as Hurley said he used the numbers to win the lottery. Then after that, seeing the same series of numbers on the hatch was really one of those "Oh Shit" moments for me.

A thought I had. 4,8,15,16,23,42 were Hurley's numbers. The flight number was 815.
That gives you 8, 15.
8/2 = 4, 8*2 = 16, 8 + 15 = 23, 8/2 + 15*2 + 8 = 42

So really the whole series of numbers can be derived from 8 and 15, the number of the flight. I think somehow everybody on that plane will have a storyline that (at least partially) involves the numbers 8 and 15.

I'm also thinking the story has a lot to do with fate. When Hurley was looking for Rousseau (sp?), he knew nothing would happen to him, somehow he knew he was "supposed" to find her. Locke's mentality also seems to be "things were destined to be this way".

Just some random thoughts.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Pyser

no way. it looks all healed up and scarred over.

I knew I saw that somewhere. The scar came from the crash.

[Bearcat729]

Did anyone see the preview of the next 3 episodes at the end of the last one? Did I see Sayid shoot one of the castaways?

[jbmagic]

Originally Posted by Bearcat729

Did anyone see the preview of the next 3 episodes at the end of the last one? Did I see Sayid shoot one of the castaways?

he didnt shoot him.

i think its a dream sequence.

when you saw Sayid shoot him its was day time and when you saw Locke get shot it was night. and locke was wearing different color shirts on those screen shots.

[gottimd]

Originally Posted by Samdari

This is not true. It has circulated due to a viewer posting a transcript with that line at the lost-tv.com site (a fan site). That is what one viewer thought she heard, but since it is posted in a transcript, people seem to be accepting it as official. The data sent in the closed captioning read, "there were no survivors of Oceanic Flight 815." There are screenshots somewhere on the web, but I cannot seem to find them now.

Have you seen the new commercials for the upcoming episode of Lost? In the preview they replay the part with Boone on the radio, and they make the response a lot clearer. I saw the promo on ABC last night, and it clearly has the person on the other end, very clear as saying "We're the Survivors of Oceanic Flight 815".

There was no mistaking it for anything else as it was very blatantly said and easily understood the way the network presented it in the promo. Listen for yourself here

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by gottimd

Have you seen the new commercials for the upcoming episode of Lost? In the preview they replay the part with Boone on the radio, and they make the response a lot clearer. I saw the promo on ABC last night, and it clearly has the person on the other end, very clear as saying "We're the Survivors of Oceanic Flight 815".

There was no mistaking it for anything else as it was very blatantly said and easily understood the way the network presented it in the promo.

Haha! You were watching Desperate Housewives!

So was I.

Just kidding. My wife and I saw that promo last night, and there was no question what they said this time. Very interesting.

[KWhit]

Hmm.. Haven't seen the promo yet. I did go back and rewatch the actual episode that I have recorded. You cannot tell what is being said (probably intentionally), but as Samdari said, the closed captions read "There were no survivors of Oceanic Flight 815."

Very interesting...

[gottimd]

I was in the room while it was on, yes, but I was doing MP league stuff while the woman was watching it. We replayed it on TiVo to confirm what I had heard as we are both huge fans of "Lost".

[gottimd]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Hmm.. Haven't seen the promo yet. I did go back and rewatch the actual episode that I have recorded. You cannot tell what is being said (probably intentionally), but as Samdari said, the closed captions read "There were no survivors of Oceanic Flight 815."

Very interesting...

I put a link for the promo on my post this morning. Download it and listen to it. It is very clear this time.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by gottimd

Have you seen the new commercials for the upcoming episode of Lost? In the preview they replay the part with Boone on the radio, and they make the response a lot clearer. I saw the promo on ABC last night, and it clearly has the person on the other end, very clear as saying "We're the Survivors of Oceanic Flight 815".

There was no mistaking it for anything else as it was very blatantly said and easily understood the way the network presented it in the promo. Listen for yourself here

i noticed that too. seems like they re-edited the audio the second time around.

as well they should. these little things don't do anyone any good if no one can hear them. i understand one has to be observative at all times when watching Lost, but man, i don't necessarily want to feel *obligated* to use my DVR to replay important scenes. that kinda sucks for the people that don't have a DVR.

[KWhit]

Well, it was pretty obvious that they decided to intentionally mask what was said during the first broadcast. I don't know why they would do that only to have the plot twist revealed in a freaking commercial, but that's what they did.