American Idol Season 8 - Page 6

Arles · 03-04-2009, 10:44 PM

There's no way Ricky makes it through. Every time he gets a break, the judges seem to downplay him. Tatiana and Jasmine (dismal performances) get 3-4 minutes of hype and questioning after being named. Ricky gets name and Seacrest immediately gives him the Heisman to the couch (I don't even think the first scene of his video completed).

I would expect Ricky to be in the first 2 with Tatiana. The top spots will be angled for Anoop, Jasmine (who I agree will make it unless she goes exorcist on the stage) and Megan. Matt is a wildcard as the judges seem to like him a lot and he could get placed towards the end. Von and Jesse are "river bets" by the judges as they could do well or do terrible. But, they would take Anoop's spot. Jasmine and Megan will have to completely fall apart not to get fawning praise.

Finally, I can't get over the marginal talent that Scott is and how no one seems willing to admit that. I may be one of the handful of Bruce Hornsby fans that actually watch Idol, but Scott's version was terrible. It brought nothing, was dated and lacked any "making it their own" quality. If that exact performance had come from Alex, they would have ripped it to high heaven.

MJ4H · 03-04-2009, 10:46 PM

I actually thought Scott was much better tonight than last night.

Crim · 03-05-2009, 12:23 AM

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I thought Paula's attempt to cover herself for chastising a previous contestant for doing a Hollywood song and then letting this guy off the hook was pretty lame. We saw him do this song in Hollywood. Oddly enough, the first time I'd ever heard this song was during Hollywood week, when I heard roughly 75 different versions of it (or at least, 3-15 seconds of it). I don't even know what the original sounds like.

This oughtta help.

Crim · 03-05-2009, 12:29 AM

btw I love Tatiana. Huhlarious.

JeeberD · 03-05-2009, 12:31 AM

I damn near slit my throat when they let Tatiana back on. I would much rather have had Nick/Norman back on than her...

Raiders Army · 03-05-2009, 07:00 AM

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I damn near slit my throat when they let Tatiana back on. I would much rather have had Nick/Norman back on than her...

Honestly, she is a better singer by far than Nick/Norman.

Ksyrup · 03-05-2009, 07:56 AM

Tatiana didn't surprise me at all, because the wild card is just a mini-version of the top 36, meaning there are the sure-things, the filler, and the jokes. I believe they already know who is going through, and barring a complete collapse by one of the pre-chosen ones, it's already set. I also think Anoop will be one of them.

I'm guessing the decision to put Jesse in at the last moment was based on the voting - if they had gotten 2 girls voted in last night, maybe they don't feel the need to add another girl to the wild card. I don't think it was a "last minute decision" so much as a different person depending on how the voting goes. So they probably had 2 people for that spot, and depending on how the voting played out, one got dropped and the other put in. I don't think there was anything more to it than that.

Ksyrup · 03-05-2009, 08:03 AM

Oh and btw, did they really do a group song (which looked/sounded suspiciously lip-synched) with 'PMS' in the lyrics? That's a first for me. Another one I'd never heard.

Ksyrup · 03-05-2009, 08:08 AM

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As for the rest, the 19 who are now eliminated, I'm disappointed only about Mishavonna Henson.

I don't know if you noticed, but she wasn't even there last night. From my count on the DVR recording, there were 20 people in the red room, and that included the 9 that just got cut. So there were only 11 (or maybe 12 if I missed one?) people brought back from the first 2 groups. Also missing that I can remember were Kai, Stevie Wright, Anne Marie - another pre-show favorite - Stephen, and a few others I don't even remember. I guess the budget cuts didn't allow them to fly everyone back.

Eaglesfan27 · 03-05-2009, 08:09 AM

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I damn near slit my throat when they let Tatiana back on. I would much rather have had Nick/Norman back on than her...

Yes, that was our reaction as well.

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Tatiana didn't surprise me at all, because the wild card is just a mini-version of the top 36, meaning there are the sure-things, the filler, and the jokes. I believe they already know who is going through, and barring a complete collapse by one of the pre-chosen ones, it's already set. I also think Anoop will be one of them.

Same here. I think they put Tatiana in for pure "comedy." I think they know who is going through unless those contestants bomb. I think it will be Jasmine, Megan, and Anoop.

Ksyrup · 03-05-2009, 08:15 AM

That's about what I figured. I was only happy to see one person who made it - Jesse - simply because I like her for some reason. I don't think she has much of a chance to make it, unless Megan completely bombs. I guess the plus for her is she is a woman, and I think 2 women are going to make it.

IrishHand · 03-05-2009, 10:56 AM

It seems pretty obvious to me that they picked multiple people with zero chance of doing well on the show - Von, Jesse, Braddy and Tatiana. The latter is obviously for ratings...she's the biggest nutjob I've seen on the show. I had a doctor friend tell me that she (the doctor) regularly sees far saner people in the psych ward. Von, Jesse and Braddy are all ok singers with, far as I can tell, zero fan base or appeal. Defensible additions to the wildcard show, but zero chance of advancing.

Given the demographics of the current 9 finalists, the remaining options (Megan/Anoop/Matt/Jasmine) pretty much sort themselves out. They painted themselves into a corner with the 6M/3F split and the lack of minorities (both by-products of the new format, which marginalizes the smaller voting blocs). Jasmine clearly doesn't belong in this group based on her atrocious performance, but she's got to be the closest thing to a finals lock in the bunch since she satisfies the two glaring demographic holes. Megan plugs one, she's interesting and the judges seem to love her. I'd give Anoop the edge over Matt.

Ksyrup · 03-05-2009, 12:13 PM

Picture taken at the moment Tatiana was announced as a wild card:

Eaglesfan27 · 03-05-2009, 12:37 PM

That picture is great. I could also hear some loud laughing and "oh no" or something to that effect from the background (I think from contestants) when she was announced and when she was talking.

Bisbo · 03-05-2009, 01:21 PM

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Finally, I can't get over the marginal talent that Scott is and how no one seems willing to admit that.

I admit it.

My son was listening to the show, working on his computer with his back to the TV (thus no sympathy factor). He must have said, 'that guy is way off' at least three times. I agree - he should not have been put through. Personally, I was pulling for Ju'not - I may be in the minority, but I really liked his simple, straightforward and under-hyped version of Delilah.

Ksyrup · 03-05-2009, 01:57 PM

The Best explanation/conspiracy theory I've heard about Scott is that they want him to get through to the top 10 so he'll make the tour and give them a box office draw/story this summer.

rowech · 03-05-2009, 03:29 PM

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The Best explanation/conspiracy theory I've heard about Scott is that they want him to get through to the top 10 so he'll make the tour and give them a box office draw/story this summer.

Not sure how they will do anything stage wise with him on the show. They had to limit greatly what the guys could do with the group song because he couldn't get up and move around. The guys were on chairs most of the time, some got up, the rest slid over, he never left the chairs.

Easy Mac · 03-05-2009, 08:27 PM

What is the point of singing tonight? The judges told Corkrey she sucked tonight, then saying they need her in the competition. Von actually sings decently, and he's all but thrown off the stage. Seriously, are we supposed to believe the judges haven't picked the final 3 yet?

MJ4H · 03-05-2009, 08:32 PM

Yeah I was just complaining to my wife about this. This is just a waste of time.

Easy Mac · 03-05-2009, 08:36 PM

Meanwhile, Jasmine was not as horrible as last time (but still bad) and she gets a free pass. But, of course, the are low on women, blacks, and attractive women, so...

MJ4H · 03-05-2009, 08:37 PM

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Meanwhile, Jasmine was not as horrible as last time (but still bad) and she gets a free pass. But, of course, the are low on women, blacks, and attractive women, so...

WHAT????

MJ4H · 03-05-2009, 08:38 PM

Dola

haha she looks like that girl in the planter's commercial that was "intentionally" hideous and guys were walking into walls and crashing cars looking at her.

Easy Mac · 03-05-2009, 08:50 PM

So most chose songs they've previously sung. Why did they bitch at Tatiana? Other than her being batshit insane.

MJ4H · 03-05-2009, 08:54 PM

I would say since she sang the song that didn't get her put through. Anoop and probably the others (I don't know who else repeated) sang things from before that, like Anoop's was in Hollywood. They were successful with their song the previous time.

Anoop is hilarious singing that song too btw. That was awesome.

Easy Mac · 03-05-2009, 08:57 PM

I am shocked Jasmine made it given the parameters outlined above. And now Megab? But they hated her singing tonight. But she is unique

sabotai · 03-05-2009, 09:01 PM

Is unique now used as slang for boring? If so, then yeah, Megan is definitely unique.

Easy Mac · 03-05-2009, 09:03 PM

I want to take a stool on the idol stage

MJ4H · 03-05-2009, 09:05 PM

Noop Dog!

Easy Mac · 03-05-2009, 09:07 PM

If Anoop did not make it, I was done for this season. And I am a Duke fan

Solecismic · 03-05-2009, 09:27 PM

Tonight's version of American Idol was an odd little charade. The idea was to hold a competition among eight decent singers who hadn't quite grabbed the viewers. But it wasn't exactly a competition.

In the end, instead of three new finalists, we gained four. Now are we supposed to believe the judges spontaneously petitioned Fox for an additional elimination round, all in the space of two commercial breaks? I'm not sure. Maybe the American public is dumb enough to buy it. Maybe they just don't care.

All I know is that, right about now, some angry bully is screaming and throwing food at a fat guy. I know this because I've seen the preview for his show 10,000 times in the last couple of weeks. I keep expecting him to break into song, "his father is the District Attorney!"

Fortunately, I've decided to spare myself actually watching his show, so I can entertain you with an abbreviated version of my rankings. No point going into depth when everyone knows the results.

1. Ricky Braddy. It wasn't a great night. Ricky looked ridiculous. And just because you can sing Stevie doesn't mean you should. But it was decent enough, and had he been ordained as a winner prior to the show, the judges would have raved and raved and raved. Maybe the lowest score I've ever given for a night-winner. Score of 80.

2. Matt Giraud. He likes to riff, and it wasn't really a cohesive performance. But he's good at it. I don't think he's quite right for this competition, but the producers seem to want variety and character this season above anything, so here he is in the finals. Score of 73.

3. Jasmine Murray. She could have worn a potato sack and belched God Save the Queen and made it through tonight. Luckily for us, she did an almost-on-key imitation of Christina. I have no idea what she'll do in the finals, other than go home soon, but at least she did the best of the women tonight, so it wasn't a total sham. Score of 68.

4. Megan Corkrey. Katharine McPhee sang this K.T. Tunstall song three years ago on April 14. It was the highlight of season 5. Megan's rendition was just a little odd. And even with her unusual style, it started to get boring when she wasn't moving out of the low register. By far her worst performance, but she was going through anyway so it didn't matter. Score of 65.

5. Von Smith. In every dystopian science fiction movie, there's a lounge singer. That was Von tonight. Score of 59.

6. Anoop Desai. OK, put the guy through who let the backup group do most of the singing, but has a lot of personality. Today, the first contestant on Dancing with the Frat Boys. Score of 57.

7. Jesse Langseth. She had a lot of pitch problems. I think she knows exactly what she wants to be able to do, but just doesn't have the voice. Her lower register is non-existent. Score of 54.

8. Tatiana Del Toro. Jesse had perfect pitch tonight, compared to Tatiana. She was better when she got louder, but I honestly don't see the point of letting her have this opportunity, other than the fact that the finalists were already chosen. Score of 50.

Who went through: Megan Corkrey, Anoop Desai, Matt Giraud, Jasmine Murray.

Who deserved to go through: I would have gone with Megan and Ricky, though I'm not terribly enthusiastic about either performance.

Drake · 03-05-2009, 09:33 PM

I have gotten enough groan-inducing jokes out of Anoop's name for my kids (If he was Egyptian, he'd be Anoopis. If he was a reformed felon, he'd be turning over Anoop leaf. Etc.) that he is easily my favorite for this season. I'm glad they're bringing him back.

Mustang · 03-05-2009, 09:36 PM

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Meanwhile, Jasmine was not as horrible as last time (but still bad) and she gets a free pass. But, of course, the are low on women, blacks, and attractive women, so...

I like me some Megan.

rowech · 03-05-2009, 09:55 PM

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I like me some Megan.

Agreed.

Thomkal · 03-05-2009, 10:57 PM

so what was Anoop talking about there at the end of his performance when he asked if he could say something to his college?

Not thrilled with the judges choices even Anoop, but at least he's likeable. So the judges don't want to have to hear them sing songs they've done before? This is Season 8 already, I would have thought they'd figure out by now to forbid the contestants from singing their previous songs. Because once again the judges want it both ways-either you sang the same song and I'm using that as my reason to get rid of you, or you sang the same song, but I like you and want you to do well so I'll just say you sang it better than the first time. It's a cop out either way and annoying to the nth degree after 7 seasons.

sabotai · 03-05-2009, 11:08 PM

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so what was Anoop talking about there at the end of his performance when he asked if he could say something to his college?

Murder of Eve Carson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Happened a year ago today.

Lathum · 03-06-2009, 01:33 AM

My DVR cut off the end, can someone sum up for me how we ended up with 4 and not 3?

Mustang · 03-06-2009, 01:43 AM

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My DVR cut off the end, can someone sum up for me how we ended up with 4 and not 3?

Because they make the rules.

They just had Matt and Noop up there and they picked Matt. After that, they told Noop that he was going to be the 13th.

Thomkal · 03-06-2009, 07:26 AM

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Murder of Eve Carson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Happened a year ago today.

ah I remember now, thanks sabotai.

Ksyrup · 03-06-2009, 08:01 AM

Man, was that lame. Picking the 3 who would go through was so easy. I wish we could bet on stuff like that (although I'm sure somewhere you can). And even adding the fourth - I was reading rumors yesterday that there would be a fourth simply because each judge wanted to pick one. Not sure that's exactly how we got there, but it still happened.

This was such a set up from the beginning, and all they had to do was substitute who they wanted versus who got voted in by the public. Even the 3 groupings were staged - why do you think Group 1 was so stacked? Because they knew they would be taking 3 more people from that group and wanted to give them as much time as possible to prepare for wild card night. Why did only Von make it to the wild card from Group 3? Because none of those people ever had a chance at making the wild card with only 1 day to prepare. Aside from who got voted in, they were all fodder.

This show has always been predictable and pandering, but now it's getting no better than the scripted situation comedies I swore off years ago, where I could just complete the joke before the actor on screen said his line. From the focus in the auditions to the pimp spot to the wild card, this whole season has reached new levels of manipulation and rigging. And now starts the crappy part of the show, for me...!

Ksyrup · 03-06-2009, 08:20 AM

Oh, and I forgot to mention Tatiana. She was seriously disturbing last night. The fact that she parrotted Jorge's "when I'm emotional I think in Spanish" thing was..pathological? Dude just said that the night before and the crowd loved him for it, so one night later she lays on a thick accent and cops the same line, as if Jorge never said it? Someone should have greeted her with a straightjacket as she left the studio last night.

AI totally took advantage of an unstable person and put her in as many high drama situations as they could, without regard for her mental well-being. She's got issues. I expect to read tomorrow that AI traded her to The Bachelorette for a box of microphones or something.

IrishHand · 03-06-2009, 08:38 AM

Part of me is a little surprised that they didn't put Tatiana through. Totally batshit, true...but a ratings whore. I kept telling my wife that I thought she was useless and needed to go, but every time she was on the screen the past two weeks I watched enraptured waiting for the pending train wreck.

And is it just me, or are there a half-dozen people who have basically no shot at going deep into this competition? Kind of a wierd result of the new format imo.

Mustang · 03-06-2009, 09:34 AM

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Part of me is a little surprised that they didn't put Tatiana through. Totally batshit, true...but a ratings whore. I kept telling my wife that I thought she was useless and needed to go, but every time she was on the screen the past two weeks I watched enraptured waiting for the pending train wreck.

And is it just me, or are there a half-dozen people who have basically no shot at going deep into this competition? Kind of a wierd result of the new format imo.

There are always people that you know have no shot of going deep into this. In 8 weeks (or whatever it is) we will be sitting there looking at a final 4 of Adam, Scott, Lil and Danny...

As for Tatiana going through, I don't know if they wanted to play with that fire, they could bring her back for one more night of drama, but after that I'm not sure they wanted to deal with the potential of her being back for god knows how long.

For the most part, I think people got the top 13 right. 95% of the rabble that was culled I don't want to hear again anyways.

Arles · 03-06-2009, 10:41 AM

I think American Idols now equals NBA refs. First, I refuse to believe Ricky chose that song. He makes it to this point on great technical singing and immediately chooses an up-tempo Stevie song when his life is on the line? I have a feeling the Idols producers went to him and said "Hey, Ricky, you can sing Stevie or "It's raining men". Hey, your choice!" Even with the sabotage effort, he was still top 3. It was pretty brutal how the judges did everything possible to limit his exposure and downplay him.

Meanwhile, we have Megan and Scott (last group, not wild card) who were able to give performances that would have been completely shredded had they come from Jesse and Von. Megan was like a drunken Amy Whinehouse doing Karaoke. The entire performance was in the same lower register, she had no vocal range and certainly didn't do anything to "make it her own" (outside of butchering it - I guess that's one way to make it your own).

Von was also significantly better than Jasmine, but got the opposite praise. The Christina "Reflections" song is also the best marginal voice enhancer with the right arrangement. You can set it up to where you only have to hit 2-3 tough notes and there's a pretty big build up to both (so Jasmine could take 7-8 breaths and prepare).

I actually liked Matt and was glad he made it, plus Anoop is atleast entertaining. But, the fact that Megan and Jasmine made it (as everyone predicted) despite marginal to terrible performances shows that the wild card show was simply a formality.

Arles · 03-06-2009, 10:43 AM

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There are always people that you know have no shot of going deep into this. In 8 weeks (or whatever it is) we will be sitting there looking at a final 4 of Adam, Scott, Lil and Danny...

If I have to listen to 8-10 weeks of Scott, I am going to break the Tivo button. But, I have a hard time arguing this point.

Solecismic · 03-06-2009, 10:48 AM

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If I have to listen to 8-10 weeks of Scott, I am going to break the Tivo button. But, I have a hard time arguing this point.

Yeah, you'd have to be blind not to see it.

Ksyrup · 03-06-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Arles

I think American Idols now equals NBA refs. First, I refuse to believe Ricky chose that song. He makes it to this point on great technical singing and immediately chooses an up-tempo Stevie song when his life is on the line? I have a feeling the Idols producers went to him and said "Hey, Ricky, you can sing Stevie or "It's raining men". Hey, your choice!" Even with the sabotage effort, he was still top 3. It was pretty brutal how the judges did everything possible to limit his exposure and downplay him.

Meanwhile, we have Megan and Scott (last group, not wild card) who were able to give performances that would have been completely shredded had they come from Jesse and Von. Megan was like a drunken Amy Whinehouse doing Karaoke. The entire performance was in the same lower register, she had no vocal range and certainly didn't do anything to "make it her own" (outside of butchering it - I guess that's one way to make it your own).

Von was also significantly better than Jasmine, but got the opposite praise. The Christina "Reflections" song is also the best marginal voice enhancer with the right arrangement. You can set it up to where you only have to hit 2-3 tough notes and there's a pretty big build up to both (so Jasmine could take 7-8 breaths and prepare).

I actually liked Matt and was glad he made it, plus Anoop is atleast entertaining. But, the fact that Megan and Jasmine made it (as everyone predicted) despite marginal to terrible performances shows that the wild card show was simply a formality.

Totally agree. Past seasons may have been as structured and pre-planned as this one, but the difference is that this year, it feels insincere. It's like they aren't even bothering to at least pretend the competition isn't slanted one way or another. Giving the pimp spots to the obvious producer choices, adding Kara - who I thought I would like but who I am growing to hate as a corporate shill even more than Paula, who has made some surprisingly clever/astute comments here and there this season - the phony wild card round, etc. It all comes off as if the producers are trying to insult our intelligence and then daring us to turn off the TV.

Even Simon last night directly said, in trying to justify putting Megan through right after her performance clearly didn't warrant it, that they had to "cast" not just a bunch of boring great singers but people with personality. I'm not sure if this is a result of Nigel leaving and the remaining producers failing to appreciate the subtle difference, or if they intend to make it so obvious that people talk about the show because of how pissed it makes them, but whatever it is, the rating are down about 15-25% for most shows and they are coming awfully close to jump the shark territory (as a TV show; the competition itself jumped the shark after a couple of seasons, IMO). Unfortunately for them, what people talk most about now is the show, not the contestants. And I think that's going to hurt them when they crown a champion and try to sell records.

Ajaxab · 03-06-2009, 01:01 PM

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Totally agree. Past seasons may have been as structured and pre-planned as this one, but the difference is that this year, it feels insincere. It's like they aren't even bothering to at least pretend the competition isn't slanted one way or another. Giving the pimp spots to the obvious producer choices, adding Kara - who I thought I would like but who I am growing to hate as a corporate shill even more than Paula, who has made some surprisingly clever/astute comments here and there this season - the phony wild card round, etc. It all comes off as if the producers are trying to insult our intelligence and then daring us to turn off the TV.

I got this sense as well. We always knew that these singers were corporate puppets, but we weren't reminded of that fact on a constant basis. It seems that this season, the judges have made no bones about speaking directly to where someone fits in the market, what kind of music that person wants to make...er, parrot, and their possible position as a commodity in the industry. That aspect of the show really has been overdone. It really is a game of chicken to see who's going to blink first, the audience leaving in droves after being insulted or the producers who are going to stop with the economic pandering.

Drake · 03-06-2009, 04:56 PM

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Yeah, you'd have to be blind not to see it.

Oh, well played.

Danny · 03-06-2009, 07:37 PM

You know what, all the manufactured drama aside, I'm happy with the top 13. I probably would have liked to see Ju'not in there, but other than that there wasn't anybody eliminated that I wish was still in the competition.

I'm glad Anoop made it.

Drake · 03-07-2009, 10:42 AM

I'm glad to see that I wasn't the only one who really dug Ju'not's treatment of that song. It was the only moment I've had so far this season where I went, "Wow. Outstanding."

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Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	There's no way Ricky makes it through. Every time he gets a break, the judges seem to downplay him. Tatiana and Jasmine (dismal performances) get 3-4 minutes of hype and questioning after being named. Ricky gets name and Seacrest immediately gives him the Heisman to the couch (I don't even think the first scene of his video completed). I would expect Ricky to be in the first 2 with Tatiana. The top spots will be angled for Anoop, Jasmine (who I agree will make it unless she goes exorcist on the stage) and Megan. Matt is a wildcard as the judges seem to like him a lot and he could get placed towards the end. Von and Jesse are "river bets" by the judges as they could do well or do terrible. But, they would take Anoop's spot. Jasmine and Megan will have to completely fall apart not to get fawning praise. Finally, I can't get over the marginal talent that Scott is and how no one seems willing to admit that. I may be one of the handful of Bruce Hornsby fans that actually watch Idol, but Scott's version was terrible. It brought nothing, was dated and lacked any "making it their own" quality. If that exact performance had come from Alex, they would have ripped it to high heaven. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

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JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	I damn near slit my throat when they let Tatiana back on. I would much rather have had Nick/Norman back on than her... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

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Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Tatiana didn't surprise me at all, because the wild card is just a mini-version of the top 36, meaning there are the sure-things, the filler, and the jokes. I believe they already know who is going through, and barring a complete collapse by one of the pre-chosen ones, it's already set. I also think Anoop will be one of them. I'm guessing the decision to put Jesse in at the last moment was based on the voting - if they had gotten 2 girls voted in last night, maybe they don't feel the need to add another girl to the wild card. I don't think it was a "last minute decision" so much as a different person depending on how the voting goes. So they probably had 2 people for that spot, and depending on how the voting played out, one got dropped and the other put in. I don't think there was anything more to it than that. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

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Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Oh and btw, did they really do a group song (which looked/sounded suspiciously lip-synched) with 'PMS' in the lyrics? That's a first for me. Another one I'd never heard. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete." Last edited by Ksyrup : 03-05-2009 at 08:03 AM.

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Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	That's about what I figured. I was only happy to see one person who made it - Jesse - simply because I like her for some reason. I don't think she has much of a chance to make it, unless Megan completely bombs. I guess the plus for her is she is a woman, and I think 2 women are going to make it. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

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MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	I actually thought Scott was much better tonight than last night.

03-05-2009, 10:56 AM	#262
IrishHand Mascot Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Annapolis, MD	It seems pretty obvious to me that they picked multiple people with zero chance of doing well on the show - Von, Jesse, Braddy and Tatiana. The latter is obviously for ratings...she's the biggest nutjob I've seen on the show. I had a doctor friend tell me that she (the doctor) regularly sees far saner people in the psych ward. Von, Jesse and Braddy are all ok singers with, far as I can tell, zero fan base or appeal. Defensible additions to the wildcard show, but zero chance of advancing. Given the demographics of the current 9 finalists, the remaining options (Megan/Anoop/Matt/Jasmine) pretty much sort themselves out. They painted themselves into a corner with the 6M/3F split and the lack of minorities (both by-products of the new format, which marginalizes the smaller voting blocs). Jasmine clearly doesn't belong in this group based on her atrocious performance, but she's got to be the closest thing to a finals lock in the bunch since she satisfies the two glaring demographic holes. Megan plugs one, she's interesting and the judges seem to love her. I'd give Anoop the edge over Matt.

03-05-2009, 12:13 PM	#263
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Picture taken at the moment Tatiana was announced as a wild card: __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

03-05-2009, 12:37 PM	#264
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	That picture is great. I could also hear some loud laughing and "oh no" or something to that effect from the background (I think from contestants) when she was announced and when she was talking. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

03-05-2009, 01:57 PM	#266
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	The Best explanation/conspiracy theory I've heard about Scott is that they want him to get through to the top 10 so he'll make the tour and give them a box office draw/story this summer. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

03-05-2009, 08:27 PM	#268
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	What is the point of singing tonight? The judges told Corkrey she sucked tonight, then saying they need her in the competition. Von actually sings decently, and he's all but thrown off the stage. Seriously, are we supposed to believe the judges haven't picked the final 3 yet?

03-05-2009, 08:32 PM	#269
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	Yeah I was just complaining to my wife about this. This is just a waste of time.

03-05-2009, 08:36 PM	#270
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Meanwhile, Jasmine was not as horrible as last time (but still bad) and she gets a free pass. But, of course, the are low on women, blacks, and attractive women, so...

03-05-2009, 08:38 PM	#272
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	Dola haha she looks like that girl in the planter's commercial that was "intentionally" hideous and guys were walking into walls and crashing cars looking at her.

03-05-2009, 08:50 PM	#273
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	So most chose songs they've previously sung. Why did they bitch at Tatiana? Other than her being batshit insane.

03-05-2009, 08:54 PM	#274
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	I would say since she sang the song that didn't get her put through. Anoop and probably the others (I don't know who else repeated) sang things from before that, like Anoop's was in Hollywood. They were successful with their song the previous time. Anoop is hilarious singing that song too btw. That was awesome.

03-05-2009, 08:57 PM	#275
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	I am shocked Jasmine made it given the parameters outlined above. And now Megab? But they hated her singing tonight. But she is unique

03-05-2009, 09:01 PM	#276
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Is unique now used as slang for boring? If so, then yeah, Megan is definitely unique.

03-05-2009, 09:03 PM	#277
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	I want to take a stool on the idol stage

03-05-2009, 09:05 PM	#278
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	Noop Dog!

03-05-2009, 09:07 PM	#279
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	If Anoop did not make it, I was done for this season. And I am a Duke fan

03-05-2009, 09:27 PM	#280
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	Tonight's version of American Idol was an odd little charade. The idea was to hold a competition among eight decent singers who hadn't quite grabbed the viewers. But it wasn't exactly a competition. In the end, instead of three new finalists, we gained four. Now are we supposed to believe the judges spontaneously petitioned Fox for an additional elimination round, all in the space of two commercial breaks? I'm not sure. Maybe the American public is dumb enough to buy it. Maybe they just don't care. All I know is that, right about now, some angry bully is screaming and throwing food at a fat guy. I know this because I've seen the preview for his show 10,000 times in the last couple of weeks. I keep expecting him to break into song, "his father is the District Attorney!" Fortunately, I've decided to spare myself actually watching his show, so I can entertain you with an abbreviated version of my rankings. No point going into depth when everyone knows the results. 1. Ricky Braddy. It wasn't a great night. Ricky looked ridiculous. And just because you can sing Stevie doesn't mean you should. But it was decent enough, and had he been ordained as a winner prior to the show, the judges would have raved and raved and raved. Maybe the lowest score I've ever given for a night-winner. Score of 80. 2. Matt Giraud. He likes to riff, and it wasn't really a cohesive performance. But he's good at it. I don't think he's quite right for this competition, but the producers seem to want variety and character this season above anything, so here he is in the finals. Score of 73. 3. Jasmine Murray. She could have worn a potato sack and belched God Save the Queen and made it through tonight. Luckily for us, she did an almost-on-key imitation of Christina. I have no idea what she'll do in the finals, other than go home soon, but at least she did the best of the women tonight, so it wasn't a total sham. Score of 68. 4. Megan Corkrey. Katharine McPhee sang this K.T. Tunstall song three years ago on April 14. It was the highlight of season 5. Megan's rendition was just a little odd. And even with her unusual style, it started to get boring when she wasn't moving out of the low register. By far her worst performance, but she was going through anyway so it didn't matter. Score of 65. 5. Von Smith. In every dystopian science fiction movie, there's a lounge singer. That was Von tonight. Score of 59. 6. Anoop Desai. OK, put the guy through who let the backup group do most of the singing, but has a lot of personality. Today, the first contestant on Dancing with the Frat Boys. Score of 57. 7. Jesse Langseth. She had a lot of pitch problems. I think she knows exactly what she wants to be able to do, but just doesn't have the voice. Her lower register is non-existent. Score of 54. 8. Tatiana Del Toro. Jesse had perfect pitch tonight, compared to Tatiana. She was better when she got louder, but I honestly don't see the point of letting her have this opportunity, other than the fact that the finalists were already chosen. Score of 50. Who went through: Megan Corkrey, Anoop Desai, Matt Giraud, Jasmine Murray. Who deserved to go through: I would have gone with Megan and Ricky, though I'm not terribly enthusiastic about either performance.

03-05-2009, 09:33 PM	#281
Drake assmaster Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bloomington, IN	I have gotten enough groan-inducing jokes out of Anoop's name for my kids (If he was Egyptian, he'd be Anoopis. If he was a reformed felon, he'd be turning over Anoop leaf. Etc.) that he is easily my favorite for this season. I'm glad they're bringing him back.

03-05-2009, 10:57 PM	#284
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	so what was Anoop talking about there at the end of his performance when he asked if he could say something to his college? Not thrilled with the judges choices even Anoop, but at least he's likeable. So the judges don't want to have to hear them sing songs they've done before? This is Season 8 already, I would have thought they'd figure out by now to forbid the contestants from singing their previous songs. Because once again the judges want it both ways-either you sang the same song and I'm using that as my reason to get rid of you, or you sang the same song, but I like you and want you to do well so I'll just say you sang it better than the first time. It's a cop out either way and annoying to the nth degree after 7 seasons.

03-06-2009, 01:33 AM	#286
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	My DVR cut off the end, can someone sum up for me how we ended up with 4 and not 3?

03-06-2009, 08:01 AM	#289
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Man, was that lame. Picking the 3 who would go through was so easy. I wish we could bet on stuff like that (although I'm sure somewhere you can). And even adding the fourth - I was reading rumors yesterday that there would be a fourth simply because each judge wanted to pick one. Not sure that's exactly how we got there, but it still happened. This was such a set up from the beginning, and all they had to do was substitute who they wanted versus who got voted in by the public. Even the 3 groupings were staged - why do you think Group 1 was so stacked? Because they knew they would be taking 3 more people from that group and wanted to give them as much time as possible to prepare for wild card night. Why did only Von make it to the wild card from Group 3? Because none of those people ever had a chance at making the wild card with only 1 day to prepare. Aside from who got voted in, they were all fodder. This show has always been predictable and pandering, but now it's getting no better than the scripted situation comedies I swore off years ago, where I could just complete the joke before the actor on screen said his line. From the focus in the auditions to the pimp spot to the wild card, this whole season has reached new levels of manipulation and rigging. And now starts the crappy part of the show, for me...! __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete." Last edited by Ksyrup : 03-06-2009 at 08:01 AM.

03-06-2009, 08:20 AM	#290
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Oh, and I forgot to mention Tatiana. She was seriously disturbing last night. The fact that she parrotted Jorge's "when I'm emotional I think in Spanish" thing was..pathological? Dude just said that the night before and the crowd loved him for it, so one night later she lays on a thick accent and cops the same line, as if Jorge never said it? Someone should have greeted her with a straightjacket as she left the studio last night. AI totally took advantage of an unstable person and put her in as many high drama situations as they could, without regard for her mental well-being. She's got issues. I expect to read tomorrow that AI traded her to The Bachelorette for a box of microphones or something. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

03-06-2009, 08:38 AM	#291
IrishHand Mascot Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Annapolis, MD	Part of me is a little surprised that they didn't put Tatiana through. Totally batshit, true...but a ratings whore. I kept telling my wife that I thought she was useless and needed to go, but every time she was on the screen the past two weeks I watched enraptured waiting for the pending train wreck. And is it just me, or are there a half-dozen people who have basically no shot at going deep into this competition? Kind of a wierd result of the new format imo.

03-06-2009, 10:41 AM	#293
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	I think American Idols now equals NBA refs. First, I refuse to believe Ricky chose that song. He makes it to this point on great technical singing and immediately chooses an up-tempo Stevie song when his life is on the line? I have a feeling the Idols producers went to him and said "Hey, Ricky, you can sing Stevie or "It's raining men". Hey, your choice!" Even with the sabotage effort, he was still top 3. It was pretty brutal how the judges did everything possible to limit his exposure and downplay him. Meanwhile, we have Megan and Scott (last group, not wild card) who were able to give performances that would have been completely shredded had they come from Jesse and Von. Megan was like a drunken Amy Whinehouse doing Karaoke. The entire performance was in the same lower register, she had no vocal range and certainly didn't do anything to "make it her own" (outside of butchering it - I guess that's one way to make it your own). Von was also significantly better than Jasmine, but got the opposite praise. The Christina "Reflections" song is also the best marginal voice enhancer with the right arrangement. You can set it up to where you only have to hit 2-3 tough notes and there's a pretty big build up to both (so Jasmine could take 7-8 breaths and prepare). I actually liked Matt and was glad he made it, plus Anoop is atleast entertaining. But, the fact that Megan and Jasmine made it (as everyone predicted) despite marginal to terrible performances shows that the wild card show was simply a formality. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

03-06-2009, 07:37 PM	#299
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	You know what, all the manufactured drama aside, I'm happy with the top 13. I probably would have liked to see Ju'not in there, but other than that there wasn't anybody eliminated that I wish was still in the competition. I'm glad Anoop made it.

03-07-2009, 10:42 AM	#300
Drake assmaster Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bloomington, IN	I'm glad to see that I wasn't the only one who really dug Ju'not's treatment of that song. It was the only moment I've had so far this season where I went, "Wow. Outstanding."

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