Fast Break Pro Basketball 2013 Released!

[sovereignstar v2]

Originally Posted by yeah826

Is their achievement page blank??

Yes, they have no history.

[sovereignstar v2]

I noticed you can't select a FBCB Import League when creating a new league unless it's a league that has already produced a draft class. This would cause issues if you wanted to start a college and pro league side-by-side. It looks like you can workaround this by putting a dummy draft file into the new college draftfile folder.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar v2

I noticed you can't select a FBCB Import League when creating a new league unless it's a league that has already produced a draft class. This would cause issues if you wanted to start a college and pro league side-by-side. It looks like you can workaround this by putting a dummy draft file into the new college draftfile folder.

I've just had my college league producing draft classes well ahead for me. Partially because I like having a history and also because I wanted to purge the game of the original players it loaded with and only have import classes showing after.

There's no draft in the first year anyway, so it'd just be a matter of starting your pro league in say, 1989 and your college league in 1990 and then when the '89 season is over, you've got a draft class starting for 1990.

[whomario]

Originally Posted by HeavyReign

Did you run the full install and maybe click no when it asks about overwriting the 2012 league file and player file?

might be How do i fix that without wasting a key as far as elicense goes?

@ sovereign: Could be the same sort i´ve noticed, game seems to fill up the roster file with random created players. Actually i think that starting in the preseason stage might fix it, dunno though if that works when more than the NBA is active...

Also, how exactly do you set it up ? If i choose FBCB import for the NBA, what do i set for the other leagues ? If i set it to fictional, do the FBCB guys still go over to theese leagues if not good enough for the NBA ? Or if on FBCB imports, does the league still create players of that nationality ?

And for the NBA, on FBCB import, are their still international draftees created ??

[Johnny93g]

Originally Posted by HeavyReign

Could you send me the save? If you revert back to 3.0.2 does it happen?

Yes, i just tried it on all three builds. I then tried to create a new league, save it, and load it again, and each time I got the same error. I will send the files via email right now. Thanks

[HeavyReign]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar v2

Looking at my first sim and I'm seeing several guys like this. This player was cut 85 times in a single season. Fictional NBA-only league with FBCB draft imports.

This is on my radar I just haven't got to it yet. That is one of the more impressive examples of it though.

[HeavyReign]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar v2

Is it normal for guys with >0 Experience to show up in free agency without any history at all? I'm not sure where they are coming from. They have no college history as well.

This is coming from the code making sure there are enough players in the league universe. I'll knock their quality down some more and make sure they come in with 0 exp.

[HeavyReign]

In order to run the leagues side by side, I do believe the manual import will work much better for you. What you do is copy the FBCB draft file over to the draft files folder. You can locate this folder by going to Draft Files under the tools menu and choosing "Open Folder". Then go to the Current League Editor and set the dropdown to Draft Pool and select your league. Then press import and the game will display the list of draft files to choose from. Eventually it might be possible to set up the college game to export a preseason draft file that would then get replaced at the end of the season by the official one. This would allow you to use the preseason file initially and then replace it with the actual one before the draft.

[mgsports]

E. League Option like the Computer automatically expanding? Teams been Sold and new Owner moving Teams? Teams Switching or adding DL or so on League Team? DL Expanding by Computer?

Pick how long Offseason Free-Agent Period is somebody wants 30 they can have it 30 or it I want it like in it is real life then I can have it go that long and pick what happens in Offseason. Also in curge Trades at the Draft.

[HeavyReign]

Originally Posted by whomario

might be How do i fix that without wasting a key as far as elicense goes?

If you rerun the full setup it won't do anything to your license. In theory you could uninstall the game and reinstall it in a month and the license should still be saved to the computer.

Originally Posted by whomario

Also, how exactly do you set it up ? If i choose FBCB import for the NBA, what do i set for the other leagues ? If i set it to fictional, do the FBCB guys still go over to theese leagues if not good enough for the NBA ? Or if on FBCB imports, does the league still create players of that nationality ? And for the NBA, on FBCB import, are their still international draftees created ??

If you use FBCB import for the NBA, you'll still get the international players that are already a part of the FBCB draft class. There won't be extra ones created specifically for the NBA though. FBCB import basically takes over 100% of the player creation for that league. Those players will be eligible to later sign with the other leagues though.

[sovereignstar v2]

Not necessarily saying this should never happen, but.. #1 overall 2014 recruit signs with Syracuse, scores 17 a game, and decides to go pro after his freshmen year. He's goes undrafted in FBPB and he is now nowhere to be found in the league database midway thru the season after the draft. Ouch! Perhaps if I had some additional leagues set up he'd be playing somewhere ... (?)

[sovereignstar v2]

Originally Posted by HeavyReign

In order to run the leagues side by side, I do believe the manual import will work much better for you. What you do is copy the FBCB draft file over to the draft files folder. You can locate this folder by going to Draft Files under the tools menu and choosing "Open Folder". Then go to the Current League Editor and set the dropdown to Draft Pool and select your league. Then press import and the game will display the list of draft files to choose from. Eventually it might be possible to set up the college game to export a preseason draft file that would then get replaced at the end of the season by the official one. This would allow you to use the preseason file initially and then replace it with the actual one before the draft.

Great. I would probably manage without either of those options, but more the merrier!

[yeah826]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar v2

Not necessarily saying this should never happen, but.. #1 overall 2014 recruit signs with Syracuse, scores 17 a game, and decides to go pro after his freshmen year. He's goes undrafted in FBPB and he is now nowhere to be found in the league database midway thru the season after the draft. Ouch! Perhaps if I had some additional leagues set up he'd be playing somewhere ... (?)

Hmm that never happened to me someone with those credentials usually get drafted unless he was undersized and unathletic??

[HeavyReign]

Originally Posted by Johnny93g

Yes, i just tried it on all three builds. I then tried to create a new league, save it, and load it again, and each time I got the same error. I will send the files via email right now. Thanks

This is related to your date format. The game wasn't looking for any dates with the year first. I think I have it fixed now pending tests.

[HeavyReign]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar v2

Not necessarily saying this should never happen, but.. #1 overall 2014 recruit signs with Syracuse, scores 17 a game, and decides to go pro after his freshmen year. He's goes undrafted in FBPB and he is now nowhere to be found in the league database midway thru the season after the draft. Ouch! Perhaps if I had some additional leagues set up he'd be playing somewhere ... (?)

If you want to send me that draft file I can tell you what happened.

[sovereignstar v2]

Originally Posted by HeavyReign

If you want to send me that draft file I can tell you what happened.

Extension changed and attached. Player is Stephan Wert.

[sovereignstar v2]

I created a test game and added a dev league this time around. He was picked 64th overall in the dev league draft, then started 1/2 of his teams games while averaging 14.2 ppg. Was also named All-League. Doesn't look like he has the attributes to make it to the next level though.

[whomario]

am i the only one to find the draft process too transparent ? Why are all ratings displayed with no scouting component ?

One thing i love abou the ddspb games is the ability of playing without any ratings displayed (only stats and the scouting reports)

[yeah826]

Originally Posted by whomario

am i the only one to find the draft process too transparent ? Why are all ratings displayed with no scouting component ?

One thing i love abou the ddspb games is the ability of playing without any ratings displayed (only stats and the scouting reports)

The scouting is there Ive drafted tons of guys who my scouts say are good but end up being bust.

[HeavyReign]

The displayed ratings are through the eyes of your scout. There is certainly some error built in there.

[whomario]

Originally Posted by HeavyReign

The displayed ratings are through the eyes of your scout. There is certainly some error built in there.

ah, that makes sense then as i´ve merely simmed in "spectator mode" without creating a coach

also, would it be possible to create a sort of overview page as the landing spot in the player profile that combines some important things ? F.e. current season stats + major career awards + career highs + current conmtract ? (all on one page)

another thing : Is there a search engine somewhere in the game to filter free agents by stats/ratings ? (Or to look for players from a certain college f.e.)

also, it seems that fbcb imports now are too good by a bit maybe, in my current run in 2017 11 of 15 spots on the all nba teams are new.

Block numbers seem a little inflated, guys like stemsma and mozgov (16 of 20 rating) have 3.5+.

[Marmel]

Small request for the archives: Can you add a 'championships won' category to the career statistics? It would be cool to just pull up a list to see who has the most titles in the history of the league. I know it is recorded under each player page, so I figure it would be easy to compile a list somehow.

[yeah826]

Originally Posted by whomario

another thing : Is there a search engine somewhere in the game to filter free agents by stats/ratings ? (Or to look for players from a certain college f.e.)

Block numbers seem a little inflated, guys like stemsma and mozgov (16 of 20 rating) have 3.5+.

You can go to potential and sort by ratings there.

Im not seeing any of those block stats from those guys only people with over 3 bpg in the 2012 file is L.Sanders Serge Ibaka

[Marmel]

It may have already been mentioned, but you cannot double click a player from the depth chart screen to pull up their card. You can do this in the college game.

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

I wasn't content making the playoffs every year with role players so I decided to gut my team and make a free agency splash. One problem. The three guys I got turned out to be the equivalent of Vin Baker, Allan Houston and Stephen Marbury. Somehow I think the highest pass rating on my team was a 6. And I definitely paid the price for it.

I was stuck in salary cap hell for four years as my perennial playoff team vied for the lottery every year. And for some strange reason, I loved every minute of it.

The game never fails to impress and surprise me. I have been playing the college version for the past ten years or so and you would think I would know the game well enough not to get completely burned like this. I think the major flaw in my thinking is in the college game I am used to ratings always getting better. In the pro game, players eventually get worse. You would think this would be obvious, but I had some players decline earlier than expected and it really threw my team off. There is nothing worse than completing the offseason and seeing your top player turn from blue to green. I also think the training is harder in this game than in the college game. You are given less points so there are some tough choices to be made on what to have your players concentrate on.

The free agents are gone. The young draft picks are developing. I am back in the playoffs. Lets see if I can win this thing .

[Young Drachma]

Manual Hall of Fame isn't working. It'll say they're inducted on their player cards in my league, but they don't appear in the HOF even after simming a year ahead from adding. HOF worked when I let the AI do it automatically, but I set this league to manual, waited 20 or so years to start adding guys and none appear.

[Johnny93g]

So the fix from Heavy Rain worked and I started a historical league from 1946.

I made it a random debut, with real players. I chose the Celtics and quick simmed through the 1st season just to see how it went.

I had the 6th pick in the draft, and was stoked to select Pistol Pete Maravich. I'm to young to have seen him play, but i'm aware of the legend.

I trade away Danny Ainge, my starting shooting guard, and let my former starting PG, Bill Sharman leave via free agency.

The plan is to let Pistol Pete take as many shots and score as many points as he can. I acquire Doc Rivers to play shooting guard, as he isn't a huge scorer.

Anyway, in Pete's 2nd career game, he scores 45!! I'm currently 18 games into the season, and Pete leads the league with 29.3 ppg. He takes 24 shots a game, and gets to the FT line 11 times. He's had a game where he attempted 38 shots already!! His jump shot is a bit raw right now, once it develops, watch out!!!!

Great game.

[Young Drachma]

I created an African names file for the pro game, adapted heavily from my college version. I added a few names and a few countries. It's not perfect and someday, I might parcel one out for specific individual African nations, but I tried to build them into this one, but didn't figure this would be popular enough to make that useful.

[whomario]

i still don´t get how the hell i can start a 2012 game with the real NBA data and historical records/player stats ... Please help ?

Originally Posted by HeavyReign

If you rerun the full setup it won't do anything to your license. In theory you could uninstall the game and reinstall it in a month and the license should still be saved to the computer.



If you use FBCB import for the NBA, you'll still get the international players that are already a part of the FBCB draft class. There won't be extra ones created specifically for the NBA though. FBCB import basically takes over 100% of the player creation for that league. Those players will be eligible to later sign with the other leagues though.

any chance to combine them at some point ? As it stands now it´s not really viable to run more than the NBA when using FBCB import, or am i missing sth still ?

[HeavyReign]

I've included the current player file. Place this in your player files folder. You can find it by going to tools > player file editor and then hit open folder. It will replace the old one you have there.

Start a new game choosing either the historical USBL or the US league with USA 2012.csv as its source. Change the initial player source in the league setup to USA 2012.csv.

2012 league with full player stats won't be possible until after the DB gets updated at the end of the season. The game does not go back and recreate past records at this time. And sorry I'm really tired so I didn't comprehend the entire sentence the first time lol.

[HeavyReign]

******************************************************************************************************************
Version 3.0.4: http://www.fbbgames.com/FBPB3Update304.exe
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Fixes:
*Transactions log should show correct salary when human gms are hired.
*Injuries html file should be sorted by injury length.
*Expansion drafts should once again occur for automatic expansion teams in historical leagues.
*Filler players should be created with 0 experience.
*Fixed error 5 that could occur while loading a save when using some non-us date formats.
*Fixed possible error 9 on draft preview screen.
*Historical leagues should no longer start with teams having arenas with no build date.
*Updated USBA files and historical db so players for each team should now import properly
*Fixed another bug that caused active players to not show up on each team's career leaders reports.
*Double-clicking a player name on the depth chart screen should bring up the player profile.
*Add to HOF button should only be enabled if you have a specific league selected unless the player only appeared in one league.
*Hall of Fame screen should display players from the correct league when it first loads.
*Leagues that become active in the middle of a career should not hold a draft in their first season.
*Leagues that become active in the middle of a career should use the correct player source.

Changes:
*Decreased the quality of filler players.
*Display no longer defaults to signings when processing a single day in the fa period.
*Enabled the option to filter the historical db screen by league.
*Enabled the option to choose either all players, USBL players, or USBA players when using the historical db.
*League news will be saved to news.dat instead of inside league.dat.

[whomario]

Originally Posted by HeavyReign

I've included the current player file. Place this in your player files folder. You can find it by going to tools > player file editor and then hit open folder. It will replace the old one you have there.

Start a new game choosing either the historical USBL or the US league with USA 2012.csv as its source. Change the initial player source in the league setup to USA 2012.csv.

still no career player stats that way When i start in 2011 in the historical league, every player has prior career stats, is that not possible for a 2012 league start ? Basically i want to start in 2012 with all the history in the file.
If i choose the historical league and 2012 start date with historical DB player source, the file is empty. If i choose the 2012 player file there are players but with no history.

Also, what happens when i start in, say, 2005 with yearly player source as historical and then reach 2013. Will the game create players for the draft from that point on or can i tell it to use FBCB files then as well ?

[HeavyReign]

Originally Posted by whomario

still no career player stats that way When i start in 2011 in the historical league, every player has prior career stats, is that not possible for a 2012 league start ? Basically i want to start in 2012 with all the history in the file.
If i choose the historical league and 2012 start date with historical DB player source, the file is empty. If i choose the 2012 player file there are players but with no history.

Also, what happens when i start in, say, 2005 with yearly player source as historical and then reach 2013. Will the game create players for the draft from that point on or can i tell it to use FBCB files then as well ?

I've had a suggestion to make it so that when using player files it will check the DB for the player and add the stats if found. I'd like to add that but hard to say when I'll get to it. I'm kind of in feedback overload this week. I'm planning on updating the DB itself to 2012 next weekend. It will be possible to do 2012 with full stats then.

If you start in 2005, you can use the historical db until the 2011 class gets added. After that point it would use use fictional players but you can change the setting to FBCB imports at any time.

[Young Drachma]

Thanks for the patch, HR. Take a nap man. We can wait.

[whomario]

Originally Posted by HeavyReign

I've had a suggestion to make it so that when using player files it will check the DB for the player and add the stats if found. I'd like to add that but hard to say when I'll get to it. I'm kind of in feedback overload this week. I'm planning on updating the DB itself to 2012 next weekend. It will be possible to do 2012 with full stats then.

If you start in 2005, you can use the historical db until the 2011 class gets added. After that point it would use use fictional players but you can change the setting to FBCB imports at any time.

thanks on both acounts Will do historical leagues for now to occupy me (and am deep into an amazing FBCB game as well)

[whomario]

one more small issue: The imported FBCB players seem a bit old, the game adds a year since it adds them before the season with the age they graduated in FBCB and then they age another year while the season runs. At least that´s my impression here.
Leads to a lot of 23,24 year old rookies.

[Groundhog]

Just an idea, for the filler players, how about having them come out of Div 2 or 3 schools? I'd be happy to compile a csv of the different schools in those divisions.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

Just an idea, for the filler players, how about having them come out of Div 2 or 3 schools? I'd be happy to compile a csv of the different schools in those divisions.

Some of us are already putting those kids in as the actual draftees.

[mgsports]

Also in file with 2012-13 Stats any chance you add the 2013 Draft Class File and have the Start date be as on the Playoffs?
Calender I like it but can't sim in it past June intill Preseason that is a bum.
Also can't select August 30 as a Trade Deadline Date and can't select when season starts for WNBA. Thanks for the File and I can put the real Arena names in with Date Opened and so on for WNBA.

[Young Drachma]

Here are WNBA logos which includes defunct teams from that league. Here's the WNBA CSV, I put all of the teams in a generic arena that seats 10000 and all of the teams in my league play in a small market just to keep it WNBA realistic.

In order for you to generate female players, you need petrel's women's college basketball mod. (I have a separate install on my machine just for WBB so it doesn't infect my men's leagues) and then once that league generates draft classes for you, you should be good to go. To get around the fact that the game generates men at first (because no way I felt like editing my pro league to make it generate women names) I just use the WNBA teams anyway, set the season to 1 game for one season, then the following year women start to enter.

I keep the short-season setup for enough years to get men purged out of the system (20 years to be safe..) and then begin simming in earnest with a full-fledged WNBA season.

Another way would be to have a small league of two teams that ran a short season until that league ended and then have the WNBA come online 20 years into the future, with draft classes prepped for that time.

So for the +/- five people that would want to play this way, here it is.

[mgsports]

League Editor doesn't allow TXT saved Files. Where would I put the GFS so they show up in Game.

[sovereignstar v2]

Originally Posted by whomario

one more small issue: The imported FBCB players seem a bit old, the game adds a year since it adds them before the season with the age they graduated in FBCB and then they age another year while the season runs. At least that´s my impression here.
Leads to a lot of 23,24 year old rookies.

I kind of got that impression too and that's what I was testing when I noticed that top Syracuse recruit going undrafted. I had a hard time drawing any conclusions, so didn't post anything. One thing I wanted to ask is whether players in FBCB have birthdates or are merely given an age. There are birthdates in FBB, so I was wondering if players were having a birthdate generated for them when they hit the pro game and maybe that was causing some issues.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by mgsports

Also in file with 2012-13 Stats any chance you add the 2013 Draft Class File and have the Start date be as on the Playoffs?
Calender I like it but can't sim in it past June intill Preseason that is a bum.
Also can't select August 30 as a Trade Deadline Date and can't select when season starts for WNBA. Thanks for the File and I can put the real Arena names in with Date Opened and so on for WNBA.

You want a lot of things. He already mentioned he would be updating with the 12-13 stats once the season ended and had time to do it.

After round 1 is complete would you like an updated file to start beginning with round 2?

[whomario]

can anybody explain the mechanics of how the ABA is handled by the game ? Are the players coming from the historical DB and then are filled up with fictional players ? Is it all fictional to start ? How do the 2 leagues interact ? What setup should you choose when, say, starting in 1960 ?

It seems starting in 1960 and then vaing the ABA added results in a ton of amazing players added for that league.

Also, how do (as an example) the very low 3pt ratings of NBA players from the 60s impact the game engine ? Or how the game rates them ? (in 2012 a PG with a 0 for 3pt shooting will not be looked upon favourably when teams sign players f.e., how is it in the 60s ?). Is it just not taken into acount at all ?

Originally Posted by sovereignstar v2

I kind of got that impression too and that's what I was testing when I noticed that top Syracuse recruit going undrafted. I had a hard time drawing any conclusions, so didn't post anything. One thing I wanted to ask is whether players in FBCB have birthdates or are merely given an age. There are birthdates in FBB, so I was wondering if players were having a birthdate generated for them when they hit the pro game and maybe that was causing some issues.

they don´t seem to have one, but when editing a league they do have an age displayed (in game all you see is if they are a freshmen, soph, jun or sen.)
The ages do seem to track, only that it´s that 1 year too high on average, it seems.

a couple issues when playing historically: players don´t play the heavy minutes they used to and there´s too many tall, good players that the game creates on it´s own (for the ABA ?)
Wilt for example averages around 30 MPG due to heavy, heavy foul trouble. Maybe a fouls modifier ? The "fouling" rating might be an issue here. Question: Is high good for avoiding fouls or does it signify a high tendency to foul ?

also, is there any chance for blocked shots not being counted as a stat ?


as an aside, the 1970 Miami Floridians average 130 points, had a 72-12 season, 2 guys combining for 54 ppg, 18 apg and 9 made 3s on 50%. Talk about entertaining

[murrayyyyy]

When I go to print all the awards from a year it always shows the current year. So when I try to go back and use the print function it always has the correct year for standings in the past but the awards page will always output the current year.

1959 NBA Season Summary Awards


 Award                    Pos Name                Team           PPG    RPG   APG   SPG   BPG
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 GM of the Year:              Michael Behrens     Pistons                                    
 Coach of the Year:           Arthur Meeks        Warriors                                   
                                                                                             
 Most Valuable Player:     PF Bob Pettit          Pistons       30.3    8.3   1.7   0.6   0.4
 Rookie of the Year:       PG Rod Hundley         Celtics        9.1    3.4   2.5   1.4   0.2
 Defender of the Year:      C Bill Russell        Celtics       14.8   12.0   1.9   0.4   4.0
 6th Man of the Year:      SG Cliff Hagan         Warriors      14.4    4.3   1.7   0.9   0.1
 Most Improved Player:     PF Phil Jordon         Hawks          9.8    5.1   0.9   0.6   0.3
                                                                                             
 All-League 1st Team:       C Walter Dukes        Hawks         14.6   10.6   1.4   0.4   2.4
 All-League 1st Team:      PF Bob Pettit          Pistons       30.3    8.3   1.7   0.6   0.4
 All-League 1st Team:      SF Neil Johnston       Celtics       26.2    6.4   1.9   0.8   0.2
 All-League 1st Team:      SG George Yardley      Pistons       22.9    9.1   2.6   1.0   0.4
 All-League 1st Team:      PG Larry Costello      Celtics       11.4    2.4   3.9   1.5   0.1
                                                                                             
 All-League 2nd Team:       C Dolph Schayes       Warriors      19.9    5.9   2.4   0.4   2.2
 All-League 2nd Team:      PF Clyde Lovellette    Nationals     26.0    8.1   1.4   0.6   0.3
 All-League 2nd Team:      SF Maurice Stokes      Knicks        16.3   11.4   3.8   1.1   0.9
 All-League 2nd Team:      SG Bob Cousy           Hawks         23.7    4.5   7.3   1.7   0.1
 All-League 2nd Team:      PG Frank Selvy         Nationals     12.7    3.6   4.6   0.7   0.3
                                                                                             
 All-League 3rd Team:       C Vern Mikkelsen      Royals        16.0    6.5   1.4   0.5   0.2
 All-League 3rd Team:      PF Ray Felix           Warriors      15.6    8.4   1.1   0.8   0.3
 All-League 3rd Team:      SF Ken Sears           Lakers        16.2    7.1   2.1   0.5   0.2
 All-League 3rd Team:      SG Cliff Hagan         Warriors      14.4    4.3   1.7   0.9   0.1
 All-League 3rd Team:      PG Rod Hundley         Celtics        9.1    3.4   2.5   1.4   0.2
                                                                                             
 All-Defense 1st Team:      C Bill Russell        Celtics       14.8   12.0   1.9   0.4   4.0
 All-Defense 1st Team:     PF Paul Nolen          Nationals     11.1    7.1   1.1   0.7   1.3
 All-Defense 1st Team:     SF Dwight Morrison     Knicks        10.9    8.5   1.3   1.8   0.2
 All-Defense 1st Team:     SG George Yardley      Pistons       22.9    9.1   2.6   1.0   0.4
 All-Defense 1st Team:     PG Jim Holstein        Warriors      10.8    4.0   2.1   1.8   0.1
                                                                                             
 All-Defense 2nd Team:      C Walter Dukes        Hawks         14.6   10.6   1.4   0.4   2.4
 All-Defense 2nd Team:     PF Ray Felix           Warriors      15.6    8.4   1.1   0.8   0.3
 All-Defense 2nd Team:     SF Maurice Stokes      Knicks        16.3   11.4   3.8   1.1   0.9
 All-Defense 2nd Team:     SG Bob Cousy           Hawks         23.7    4.5   7.3   1.7   0.1
 All-Defense 2nd Team:     PG Danny Finn          Warriors       9.1    3.8   5.2   1.6   0.2
                                                                                             
 All-Rookie 1st Team:       C Denis Gardner       Warriors       1.1    0.7   0.3   0.1   0.0
 All-Rookie 1st Team:      PF Charlie Tyra        Lakers         4.3    2.4   0.5   0.2   0.1
 All-Rookie 1st Team:      SF Jim Krebs           Royals        10.4    5.2   1.0   0.3   0.5
 All-Rookie 1st Team:      SG Lennie Rosenbluth   Royals         4.5    2.3   1.0   0.5   0.1
 All-Rookie 1st Team:      PG Rod Hundley         Celtics        9.1    3.4   2.5   1.4   0.2
                                                                                             
 All-Rookie 2nd Team:       C Tanner Thomas       Knicks         3.0    1.5   0.5   0.0   0.0
 All-Rookie 2nd Team:      PF Tony Hafner         Warriors       3.0    0.5   1.0   0.0   0.0
 All-Rookie 2nd Team:      SF Woody Sauldsberry   Nationals      5.4    4.5   1.3   0.3   0.2
 All-Rookie 2nd Team:      SG Sam Jones           Nationals      2.9    1.4   0.5   0.1   0.1
 All-Rookie 2nd Team:      PG Win Wilfong         Hawks          5.8    1.8   1.4   0.6   0.1

1957 NBA Standings


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 EASTERN               W   L   PCT  HOME   DIV  CONF
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 Celtics              45  27  .625 25-11 40-24 40-24
 Warriors             39  33  .542 21-15 35-29 35-29
 Nationals            34  38  .472 21-15 30-34 30-34
 Knicks               27  45  .375 19-17 23-41 23-41


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 WESTERN               W   L   PCT  HOME   DIV  CONF
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 Pistons              48  24  .667 25-11 42-22 42-22
 Lakers               37  35  .514 20-16 35-29 35-29
 Hawks                35  37  .486 22-14 30-34 30-34
 Royals               23  49  .319 17-19 21-43 21-43

[bryce]

My computer is treating the last two updates as completely new installs (rather than just quick updates as I had grown used to) - is this normal, or is there a setting I'm messing up?

thx

[TLK]

I'm getting "Run Time Error 9 : Subscript out of range" when advancing from the playoffs to end season in the 1999-2000 season. I'm using the newest patch. Y2K bug?

[korme]

The 1979 draft includes Billy Ray Bates and Billyray Bates.

[korme]

Seeing Ralph Simpson gets me every time.

[korme]

Originally Posted by HeavyReign

*Enabled the option to choose either all players, USBL players, or USBA players when using the historical db.
*League news will be saved to news.dat instead of inside league.dat.

Does this mean I can set the NBA and ABA to the historical DB now? Before that, the ABA was basically useless since it just created fict. players!