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Chief Rum · 10-23-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by J23

I think this is my 3rd or 4th game now. I guess I'll get it out of my system soon enough, but I do hate voting when I have zero info. The thing I've learned over those games is that no matter what you say, people find a way to spin it where you're being suspiscious. PB asked me my reasoning, so I gave it. If he ends up a villager, I feel bad about it.

The way he's reacted to being the lead vote getter reinforces my doubts about voting for him honestly.

It never really goes away. I have been playing for a couple years now, and I hate Day 1 votes.

PurdueBrad · 10-23-2009, 07:37 PM

Be back Abe?

Chief Rum · 10-23-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Chief, I haven't seen anything in the PB/Abe posts that has convinced me that there is a need for bringing in a third candidate. Obviously this will sound really dumb at some point if it turns out that they are both villagers. But for now I'm only considering moving my vote from Abe to PB rather than to "Candidate X".

I would never define a third candidate as a "need" on Day One, certainly. We don't know enough, so I don't think you're wrong to stick it out with the first two candidates. I'll probably end up doing the same.

I'm just noting, perhaps in a food for thought way, that it's interesting and potentially telling that the two of them are not taking opposite sides but actually working together to get a third candidate in the mix.

J23 · 10-23-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

J23 can attest to the fact that I would in fact sacrifice a wolf if it would buy me (or any wolf) trust so this is a mistake, honestly.

PB did sacrifice me my first game as a wolf to gain trust w/ AlanT, though the circumstances were a bit different. I can rehash it if you like, but I'm not sure if that's considered metagaming, and frowned upon or not.

MartinD · 10-23-2009, 07:41 PM

Sorry PB - have had a think about this, and am not going to change my vote. I hate to vote with nothing to back it up, but that's what Day 1 forces you to do, and you came up unlucky this time from my point of view.

Coffee Warlord · 10-23-2009, 07:41 PM

Plenty of time till deadline, so...

Unvote Kwhit
Vote Abe

Let's see who flinches.

Chief Rum · 10-23-2009, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by J23

PB did sacrifice me my first game as a wolf to gain trust w/ AlanT, though the circumstances were a bit different. I can rehash it if you like, but I'm not sure if that's considered metagaming, and frowned upon or not.

Voting another player because he jerkily screwed you over in another game. Naw, that happens all the time.

PurdueBrad · 10-23-2009, 07:42 PM

Hehe, I don't think that is why he voted for me, my point in bringing it up is that I would gladly sacrifice Abe D1 if we were both wolves or sacrifice myself for his sake.

Chief Rum · 10-23-2009, 07:43 PM

Hmm, we can't have a tie. But I'm not sure I will be around when deadline hits to be sure that doesn't happen. I technically should be on the road already.

J23 · 10-23-2009, 07:45 PM

Well, PB did win it for our side that game, with it being like 4 or 5-1 against him at one point or I'd probably have held a bit of a grudge over it.

Coffee Warlord · 10-23-2009, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Hmm, we can't have a tie. But I'm not sure I will be around when deadline hits to be sure that doesn't happen. I technically should be on the road already.

There's enough people watching this thread right now to where it there's no way a tie should happen.

Raiders Army · 10-23-2009, 07:52 PM

Catching up. I'm having trouble in IE getting stuff to show up. I just keep on hitting refresh and eventually I can see the board.

Anyhow, I'm glad to see that votes moved off me but I'm inclined to leave my vote on ntndeacon unless there's a tie. I'll switch my vote before the deadline so there isn't one if need be.

PurdueBrad · 10-23-2009, 07:53 PM

Just over an hour and still left hoping to see some movement. I probably have more posts this game already then all of last!

Raiders Army · 10-23-2009, 07:54 PM

Ugh. I'm on my laptop and need to restart. Updates took effect so I'll be back in a couple minutes.

Chief Rum · 10-23-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Catching up. I'm having trouble in IE getting stuff to show up. I just keep on hitting refresh and eventually I can see the board.

Anyhow, I'm glad to see that votes moved off me but I'm inclined to leave my vote on ntndeacon unless there's a tie. I'll switch my vote before the deadline so there isn't one if need be.

There a reason why you would want to avoid having a vote that matters?

PurdueBrad · 10-23-2009, 07:58 PM

I was about to ask the same thing CR.

Chief Rum · 10-23-2009, 07:59 PM

Okay, I have to go. I am sticking with Abe. Not sure it's the right move, but I don't see a compelling reason to switch, not on Day One.

PurdueBrad · 10-23-2009, 07:59 PM

CR, I'm sorry to hear that but I understand. I know that we're both arguing from underneath a landslide.

Raiders Army · 10-23-2009, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

There a reason why you would want to avoid having a vote that matters?

Ah...how much I forget in the game. Actually no reason whatsoever other than I feel badly for the two that our votes are on. Need to look more closely in the thread to see if I see something, but upon a cursory purusal, I don't see anything that jumps out.

KWhit · 10-23-2009, 08:02 PM

PB,

Why are you so adamant about not voting for Abe? Frankly that just doesn't make sense to me unless you're both wolves (which I don't believe).

KWhit · 10-23-2009, 08:03 PM

Anybody have a vote count?

Coffee Warlord · 10-23-2009, 08:03 PM

2 way tie at 6 between PB and Abe. Danny's got 3, I think.

PurdueBrad · 10-23-2009, 08:05 PM

KWhit, I *believe* I've picked up on something from the thread that I feel is worth at least giving him a day or two. Yeah, I'm putting myself out there but its enough that I believe it.

Danny · 10-23-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Abe, if you don't like Danny, let me know another place you would prefer.

From my pov, he rarely votes me day 1 because he assumes I have a role or am a wolf, so he usually waits to find out a day or so. His vote just seemed weird because of that.

I don't like to vote you day 1, but I wasn't going to spread the vote out further. The reason you over Raiders Army and Abe was pretty simple, Raiders hasn't played in a long while, in fact I am not sure I have ever seen him in a game I played. For Abe, everytime he has had the kind of emotional outburst he kind of had this game, he has been a good guy. That said, my vote is not stuck on you by any means.

I will say this now even before a potential last hour run on me, I have no role, so if it ends up choosing between me and a revealed seer/etc.. feel free to go for me.

hoopsguy · 10-23-2009, 08:08 PM

Danny, I'm not sure that I've seen the same kind of "emotional outburst" from Abe that I've characterized with his villager play.

Schmidty · 10-23-2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Seconded there.

Reading through stuff right now....

Do you guys want to move the deadline to Monday night? Let me know soon, because I have some work to do. Lots of PMs to look through, and other game stuff.

Raiders Army · 10-23-2009, 08:09 PM

Okay. I read the thread more closely and it is strange that both Abe and PB aren't voting for each other. Actually, I'm more inclined to go contrary to the runs on Abe and PB and vote for Danny...but he's a fellow Raider Nation member.

Ahh...what to do, what to do.

PurdueBrad · 10-23-2009, 08:10 PM

Hey Schmidty, I honestly think you have to stick to this deadline. And it wasn't a complaint about your game, Friday starts are tough, especially that evening.

Coffee Warlord · 10-23-2009, 08:11 PM

Yeah, this one at this point needs to be firm.

Danny · 10-23-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Danny, I'm not sure that I've seen the same kind of "emotional outburst" from Abe that I've characterized with his villager play.

Hmmm, maybe not, It's tough because I think I have only been against him as a wolf once or maybe twice at the most.

What about his play do you see as different than his villager self?

Danny · 10-23-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Reading through stuff right now....

Do you guys want to move the deadline to Monday night? Let me know soon, because I have some work to do. Lots of PMs to look through, and other game stuff.

I think we have to keep it, people have played as if the deadline was tonight.

KWhit · 10-23-2009, 08:14 PM

The Abe - PB thing is just not making sense to me. I don't get it, but I don't see a reason why we should go to Danny (or anyone else at this point).

Vote PurdueBrad

PurdueBrad · 10-23-2009, 08:14 PM

Hoops, other than the fact that my Boilers are playing your Illini this weekend, you said you may be more likely to vote me over Abe. Reason?

KWhit · 10-23-2009, 08:17 PM

I'm off to watch a movie with the wife. I will probably not be back until after deadline.

PurdueBrad · 10-23-2009, 08:20 PM

This is getting exceedingly disappointing.

Raiders Army · 10-23-2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

The Abe - PB thing is just not making sense to me. I don't get it, but I don't see a reason why we should go to Danny (or anyone else at this point).

Vote PurdueBrad

Good point. I still haven't seen where PB has explained why he isn't voting for Abe right now and he's had the opportunity. Abe isn't in the thread so for now I'll give him the bye.

UNVOTE NTNDEACON
VOTE PURDUEBRAD

hoopsguy · 10-23-2009, 08:22 PM

PB, I said that if I'm switching my vote off of Abe it would be going to you rather than a 3rd party candidate that is the by-product of you+Abe agreeing in the thread to look for alternate candidates.

As far as what is "different" about Abe this game, I don't have any real strong feel for it so far. I put my initial vote on him because my sense (not particularly strongly backed by the '3 games over 3 months' sample set provided by Abe) is that he is a player who does not often catch much scrutiny from voters over the course of a game. I have a lot more thoughts on this phenomenno, but not a ton of time to post them at the moment. I'll expand on it over the weekend if people are legitimately interested.

Since putting that vote in I saw multiple people follow with votes on Abe. I'm sure he isn't thrilled about this, as either a villager or a wolf. Day 1 logic is almost always garbage because so little of it is predicated by the posts in the current thread.

PurdueBrad · 10-23-2009, 08:24 PM

(waves smoke from in front of his face)
I have like no choice man. Scooby Doo, where are you? Scoobs? Scoobs? It's Freddy and I sure as @$@& could use your help, or at least some Scooby Snacks.

Hopefully you guys will listen to me now.

hoopsguy · 10-23-2009, 08:24 PM

I'm hopeful that if Abe does survive the lynch today that he receives attention from the seer sooner rather than later. I would feel the same, to a slightly lesser degree, about PB. Up to this point I have not felt (vote review could help with this) that there has been much of a surge to "save" him.

Danny · 10-23-2009, 08:25 PM

36 minutes left, I am going to go with the reveal of PB

Unvote PurdueBrad

Raiders Army · 10-23-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

(waves smoke from in front of his face)
I have like no choice man. Scooby Doo, where are you? Scoobs? Scoobs? It's Freddy and I sure as @$@& could use your help, or at least some Scooby Snacks.

Hopefully you guys will listen to me now.

Sorry, but you sounded more like Shaggy in your first sentence as well as waving the (pot?) smoke from your face.

Danny · 10-23-2009, 08:26 PM

The only alternative aside from lynching myself is Abe, so I will go there.

Vote Abe Sargent

Raiders Army · 10-23-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

36 minutes left, I am going to go with the reveal of PB

Unvote PurdueBrad

What's that mean?

PurdueBrad · 10-23-2009, 08:27 PM

My clues, which I sure as crap didn't think I would need today, are here:

post 142
post 205

Compare my language to this page: Shaggy Rogers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

PurdueBrad · 10-23-2009, 08:27 PM

See characteristic dialogue

PurdueBrad · 10-23-2009, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

The only alternative aside from lynching myself is Abe, so I will go there.

Vote Abe Sargent

Danny, give me another place to go if you trust my reveal then Abe or you.

Raiders Army · 10-23-2009, 08:28 PM

Oh, and I figured out what was wrong with showing the FOFC boards. My internet address from my favorites was just going to Front Office Football Central - Powered by vBulletin

Danny · 10-23-2009, 08:28 PM

Wait, so are you Freddy or Shaggy? You seem to be claiming both.

Abe Sargent · 10-23-2009, 08:28 PM

Yummy roast beef from Jimmy John's. Okay, let's see whaere we are.

PurdueBrad · 10-23-2009, 08:29 PM

Sorry, true mistype, Shaggy. See, I should be high.

10-23-2009, 07:43 PM	#259
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Hmm, we can't have a tie. But I'm not sure I will be around when deadline hits to be sure that doesn't happen. I technically should be on the road already. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

10-23-2009, 07:59 PM	#267
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Okay, I have to go. I am sticking with Abe. Not sure it's the right move, but I don't see a compelling reason to switch, not on Day One. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

10-23-2009, 08:28 PM	#299
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Yummy roast beef from Jimmy John's. Okay, let's see whaere we are. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

10-23-2009, 07:37 PM	#252
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Be back Abe?

10-23-2009, 07:41 PM	#255
MartinD High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: East Lothian, Scotland	Sorry PB - have had a think about this, and am not going to change my vote. I hate to vote with nothing to back it up, but that's what Day 1 forces you to do, and you came up unlucky this time from my point of view.

10-23-2009, 07:41 PM	#256
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Plenty of time till deadline, so... Unvote Kwhit Vote Abe Let's see who flinches.

10-23-2009, 07:42 PM	#258
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Hehe, I don't think that is why he voted for me, my point in bringing it up is that I would gladly sacrifice Abe D1 if we were both wolves or sacrifice myself for his sake.

10-23-2009, 07:45 PM	#260
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	Well, PB did win it for our side that game, with it being like 4 or 5-1 against him at one point or I'd probably have held a bit of a grudge over it.

10-23-2009, 07:52 PM	#262
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Catching up. I'm having trouble in IE getting stuff to show up. I just keep on hitting refresh and eventually I can see the board. Anyhow, I'm glad to see that votes moved off me but I'm inclined to leave my vote on ntndeacon unless there's a tie. I'll switch my vote before the deadline so there isn't one if need be.

10-23-2009, 07:53 PM	#263
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Just over an hour and still left hoping to see some movement. I probably have more posts this game already then all of last!

10-23-2009, 07:54 PM	#264
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Ugh. I'm on my laptop and need to restart. Updates took effect so I'll be back in a couple minutes.

10-23-2009, 07:58 PM	#266
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I was about to ask the same thing CR.

10-23-2009, 07:59 PM	#268
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	CR, I'm sorry to hear that but I understand. I know that we're both arguing from underneath a landslide.

10-23-2009, 08:02 PM	#270
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	PB, Why are you so adamant about not voting for Abe? Frankly that just doesn't make sense to me unless you're both wolves (which I don't believe).

10-23-2009, 08:03 PM	#271
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Anybody have a vote count?

10-23-2009, 08:03 PM	#272
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	2 way tie at 6 between PB and Abe. Danny's got 3, I think.

10-23-2009, 08:05 PM	#273
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	KWhit, I believe I've picked up on something from the thread that I feel is worth at least giving him a day or two. Yeah, I'm putting myself out there but its enough that I believe it.

10-23-2009, 08:08 PM	#275
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Danny, I'm not sure that I've seen the same kind of "emotional outburst" from Abe that I've characterized with his villager play.

10-23-2009, 08:09 PM	#277
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Okay. I read the thread more closely and it is strange that both Abe and PB aren't voting for each other. Actually, I'm more inclined to go contrary to the runs on Abe and PB and vote for Danny...but he's a fellow Raider Nation member. Ahh...what to do, what to do.

10-23-2009, 08:10 PM	#278
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Hey Schmidty, I honestly think you have to stick to this deadline. And it wasn't a complaint about your game, Friday starts are tough, especially that evening.

10-23-2009, 08:11 PM	#279
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Yeah, this one at this point needs to be firm.

10-23-2009, 08:14 PM	#282
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	The Abe - PB thing is just not making sense to me. I don't get it, but I don't see a reason why we should go to Danny (or anyone else at this point). Vote PurdueBrad

10-23-2009, 08:14 PM	#283
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Hoops, other than the fact that my Boilers are playing your Illini this weekend, you said you may be more likely to vote me over Abe. Reason?

10-23-2009, 08:17 PM	#284
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	I'm off to watch a movie with the wife. I will probably not be back until after deadline.

10-23-2009, 08:20 PM	#285
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	This is getting exceedingly disappointing.

10-23-2009, 08:22 PM	#287
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	PB, I said that if I'm switching my vote off of Abe it would be going to you rather than a 3rd party candidate that is the by-product of you+Abe agreeing in the thread to look for alternate candidates. As far as what is "different" about Abe this game, I don't have any real strong feel for it so far. I put my initial vote on him because my sense (not particularly strongly backed by the '3 games over 3 months' sample set provided by Abe) is that he is a player who does not often catch much scrutiny from voters over the course of a game. I have a lot more thoughts on this phenomenno, but not a ton of time to post them at the moment. I'll expand on it over the weekend if people are legitimately interested. Since putting that vote in I saw multiple people follow with votes on Abe. I'm sure he isn't thrilled about this, as either a villager or a wolf. Day 1 logic is almost always garbage because so little of it is predicated by the posts in the current thread.

10-23-2009, 08:24 PM	#288
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	(waves smoke from in front of his face) I have like no choice man. Scooby Doo, where are you? Scoobs? Scoobs? It's Freddy and I sure as @$@& could use your help, or at least some Scooby Snacks. Hopefully you guys will listen to me now.

10-23-2009, 08:24 PM	#289
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm hopeful that if Abe does survive the lynch today that he receives attention from the seer sooner rather than later. I would feel the same, to a slightly lesser degree, about PB. Up to this point I have not felt (vote review could help with this) that there has been much of a surge to "save" him.

10-23-2009, 08:25 PM	#290
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	36 minutes left, I am going to go with the reveal of PB Unvote PurdueBrad

10-23-2009, 08:26 PM	#292
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	The only alternative aside from lynching myself is Abe, so I will go there. Vote Abe Sargent

10-23-2009, 08:27 PM	#294
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	My clues, which I sure as crap didn't think I would need today, are here: post 142 post 205 Compare my language to this page: Shaggy Rogers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

10-23-2009, 08:27 PM	#295
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	See characteristic dialogue

10-23-2009, 08:28 PM	#297
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Oh, and I figured out what was wrong with showing the FOFC boards. My internet address from my favorites was just going to Front Office Football Central - Powered by vBulletin