Werewolf L Kate Beckinsale - day 7, deadline Thursday 10pm Eastern Time

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

What? When have I argued that we need a day one lynch?

Well, okay seeing as it is all hypothetical now anway, what do you think makes a lynch on day 2 different from a lynch on day 1 under this ruleset.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

When there is no kill at the deadline, one villager is killed by the wolves and our seer has his one view which he can't tell anyone about, everyone will stand around and say "well now what?". We will be back to square 1 with one less villager to contribute to the discussion.

It is pretty simple really. Lynch people and you find out what they were. This allows you to objectively evaluate what they said and then you evaluate who supported them and who attacked them. This helps the village.

Well as people mentioned earlier, we have 3 seers this game.

[Alan T]

la la la la


Vote Chief Rum

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

What? When have I argued that we need a day one lynch?

I'm sorry, thought you did. Lots of posts today.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Well, okay seeing as it is all hypothetical now anway, what do you think makes a lynch on day 2 different from a lynch on day 1 under this ruleset.

As I have said multiple times, at least on day two there is some information gained from night actions. It's not a lot and not everyone has access to it, but it's better than what we have on a day one vote.

[DaddyTorgo]

interesting deadlien vote by alan there. That ought to raise some eyebrows...

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by path12

But since we don't, I think we'd be foolish to lynch him.

Not as foolish as not lynching anyone, IMO.

[path12]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

interesting deadlien vote by alan there. That ought to raise some eyebrows...

I don't think so at all. I've got no problem with it.

[st.cronin]

DEADLINE

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

DEADLINE

Even if I die early, this is the best game ever!

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Alan T

la la la la


Vote Chief Rum

lol, you certainly don't shy away from making a potentially controversial deadline vote, huh?

Seriously, though, as you surmised, I think we were one short of lynch anyway, with a tie going to the no lynch. So your vote wouldn't matter.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Not as foolish as not lynching anyone, IMO.

In a general sense I don't disagree. But in this particular case I don't.

[st.cronin]

Official final count:

7 - NO LYNCH - path12 (111), Telle (115), Jonathan Ezarik (133), Barkeep49 (166), Antmeister (194), DaddyTorgo (198), Gonzo (200)
6 - Jonathan Ezarik - Dodgerchick (63), Lathum (79), cartman (96), Chief Rum, (222), RendeR (223), tanglewood (227)
2 - tanglewood - LoneStarGirl (146), KWhit (171)
1 - path12 - Schmidty (128)
1 - Antmeister - JHandley (184)
1 - Alan T (253)

Not voted - Neon Chaos

The result of today's discussion is NO LYNCH.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

DEADLINE

Sorry, this one does absolutely nothing for me. It's farr too moulin Rouge-esque.

[path12]

That was really poor grammar above. I'm ashamed. You know what I meant.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

interesting deadlien vote by alan there. That ought to raise some eyebrows...

It doesn't really to me. Only thing I would wonder is if he is trying to hide in the open by voting for someone who was actively engaged in conversation with the lynchee before he might have potentially bought it. As in, "Oh, hey, it's obvious, vote for Chief Rum, he has to be a vote for taking this stance" sorta thing, but actually hiding himself.

It's extremely unlikely, but I'll throw it there for Alan's thoughts.

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Well as people mentioned earlier, we have 3 seers this game.

We have a bodyguard who if he protects a wolf sees him, but gets seen also. So he essentially guards, but has a built in one-for-one swap.

We have a guy who can only tell if someone is th emad scientist, not if they are wolf or human.

We have a guy who can tell wolf from human, very useful.

So as I see it we don't have one complete seer, but two pretty decent seers who just can't spot the mad scientist, one of whom has a limited lifespan function, and another who is searching for a needle in a haystack. None of them are traditional perfect seers, yes better than usual but I would hesitate to say "3 seers" as if we are loaded.

Of course there are hidden roles as well, so who knows what is out there.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

lol, you certainly don't shy away from making a potentially controversial deadline vote, huh?

Seriously, though, as you surmised, I think we were one short of lynch anyway, with a tie going to the no lynch. So your vote wouldn't matter.

My vote anywhere wouldn't have changed anything. So it was a statement vote.

Basically looked at people who voted where they did, and I think as normal the wolves wouldn't be consolidated in one spot. So out of the people who voted JE, i tried to figure which was the most "wolfish" to me. So I picked you.

Was just a day 1 vote, and doubt I'll pursue it tommorrow. Just needed to go somewhere with it, and it was either going to be you or Neon for not showing up.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by path12

In a general sense I don't disagree. But in this particular case I don't.

Because JE is a valuable player? That's a tough line to draw. Where do you place it? Then we're judging players on their merits from other games, which opens a Pandora's Box (nevermind the meta issues).

In the end, the most valuable players are usually the ones with roles, especially in games that seem close to standard. And the GM determines who gets those.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Alan T

My vote anywhere wouldn't have changed anything. So it was a statement vote.

Basically looked at people who voted where they did, and I think as normal the wolves wouldn't be consolidated in one spot. So out of the people who voted JE, i tried to figure which was the most "wolfish" to me. So I picked you.

Was just a day 1 vote, and doubt I'll pursue it tommorrow. Just needed to go somewhere with it, and it was either going to be you or Neon for not showing up.

Yeah, I got no problem with it. Actually, I think I often come off wolfish to you. At least that's my impression. And you usually come off like a good guy to me. I guess that makes you especially dangerous to me, regardless of what are roles are. Are you my nemesis?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Yeah, I got no problem with it. Actually, I think I often come off wolfish to you. At least that's my impression. And you usually come off like a good guy to me. I guess that makes you especially dangerous to me, regardless of what are roles are. Are you my nemesis?

Everyone tells me that I always think they are wolfish. I'm pretty sure that I don't vote for everyone every game!

Maybe its my personality.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Because JE is a valuable player? That's a tough line to draw. Where do you place it? Then we're judging players on their merits from other games, which opens a Pandora's Box (nevermind the meta issues).

In the end, the most valuable players are usually the ones with roles, especially in games that seem close to standard. And the GM determines who gets those.

I hear exactly what you're saying, and I don't know if I'm entirely comfortable with the idea myself. But fact is I also would never vote you, hoops, Barkeep, Alan and some others day 1 either. I'm also usually one who argues for a lynch every day. My gut says different in this game.

I hate day 1. Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.

[st.cronin]

Jonathan Ezarik has been murdered overnight! Welcome to day 2.

Results coming.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Everyone tells me that I always think they are wolfish. I'm pretty sure that I don't vote for everyone every game!

Maybe its my personality.

You go through so many possibilities that eventually you get to everyone!

[path12]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Jonathan Ezarik has been murdered overnight! Welcome to day 2.

Results coming.

Now that's interesting.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Everyone tells me that I always think they are wolfish. I'm pretty sure that I don't vote for everyone every game!

Maybe its my personality.

Wait...you have a personality?

[st.cronin]

All results have been sent. If you were expecting one and didn't get one, pm me.

Day 2 has begun - deadline Saturday 10pm eastern time

[RendeR]

I hate being human, I never get any PMs =(

[path12]

I figure either a dukish role where the person's vote trumps all, or someone was afraid we were protecting him by not lynching.

[st.cronin]

We begin day 2 officially .... HERE:

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Jonathan Ezarik has been murdered overnight! Welcome to day 2.

Results coming.

lol...hmm...

Thoughts anyone? Rough day for JE. And that means we were barking up the wrong tree (big surprise ).

[path12]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I hate being human, I never get any PMs =(

Sounds wolfish to me.

VOTE RENDER

Welcome to Hollywood!

[tanglewood]

I don't know if it means much more than the wolves have a sense of humour. Which is small consolation if you get eaten I suppose.

I'm out for now, will be back later tomorrow.

[Alan T]

Ok, so uhh.. who did something to me last night?

I honestly don't know if it was a good guy or bad guy but.. I wouldn't mind knowing what you did..

I'll tell everyone what happened a bit later, just want some time to let someone come forward first.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by path12

I figure either a dukish role where the person's vote trumps all, or someone was afraid we were protecting him by not lynching.

Wouldn't a duke role be revealed, though, if it was used? Plus, if it was a duke (and figuring he is good), where be the wolf kill? And why would a duke role be needed when the option is no lynch? Naw, too many things outta whack for that to work.

The second theory has more traction, but it seems like a reach for the wolves to think we know something on Day One, with no actions taken yet.

[RendeR]

Seriously though. Being a joe schmoe human is really boring in this game. its also frustrating, ebcause you have no data to defend yourself with and no matter what you say some other schmoe is going to say

Sounds wolfish to me.

VOTE RENDER

Welcome to Hollywood!


Its very frustrating.

[Lathum]

boy we are so much further along now.

What should we do with all this new information?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

We begin day 2 officially .... HERE:

Love this picture.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Ok, so uhh.. who did something to me last night?

I honestly don't know if it was a good guy or bad guy but.. I wouldn't mind knowing what you did..

I'll tell everyone what happened a bit later, just want some time to let someone come forward first.

Alan, I'm not sure if you should have said anything yet. If it was someone bad, they're probably not going to trip themselves up now.

I am of course curious to hear what happened, though. We have a vast waste of ignorance amongst us right now, and any little bit would help get rid of it.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Love this picture.

Agreed, there is NOTHIng more enticing than a seriously HOT woman with a sword.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Alan, I'm not sure if you should have said anything yet. If it was someone bad, they're probably not going to trip themselves up now.

I am of course curious to hear what happened, though. We have a vast waste of ignorance amongst us right now, and any little bit would help get rid of it.

Well, its up to them or not. I haven't said what I know yet.. but I'm pretty sure failure to be up front about it will be considered by me to be not in my best interests.

[Alan T]

Also.. out of curiosity.. does anyone by chance have the ability to remove harmful effects?

[Schmidty]

So, do we go after a no-voter now?

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

However if we proceed and lynch today, then have a kill at night automatically we know the alignments of two players in the game. Thus we can go back and see who they voted for, what they posted on day 1 with complete information about their role. This is very valuable.

Yes, because a random vote on Day One tells us so much about who's a wolf.

[JHandley]

Originally Posted by path12

I figure either a dukish role where the person's vote trumps all, or someone was afraid we were protecting him by not lynching.

I think JE fell on the sword. The wolves almost certainly thought he had a big role.

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by path12

Sounds wolfish to me.

VOTE RENDER

Welcome to Hollywood!

Seems a bit odd you jumping on Render.

Why would a wolf say "Oh, I didn't get a PM tonight"?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Yes, because a random vote on Day One tells us so much about who's a wolf.

not everyone's day one vote is random.

How much further along are we now then we were yesterday.?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by JHandley

I think JE fell on the sword. The wolves almost certainly thought he had a big role.

I just don't buy this. No one knows anything right now, and the wolves know this. It's possible JE said something that scared them, or that his direction of thinking was threatening to them, I suppose. Maybe we should go over his posts?

Of course, we could just be overthinking (not the first time), and the wolves just used random.org like the wolves in the last game.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Seems a bit odd you jumping on Render.

Why would a wolf say "Oh, I didn't get a PM tonight"?

Actually, I think path was being sarcastic. I doubt he sticks with that vote when more serious discussion starts.

[st.cronin]

Couple quick game notes:

If you have a "night action" you can change your order at any point before deadline. I will try and be lenient and accept orders that are a couple of minutes late, as long as I haven't actually posted or sent out anything that would need to be changed.