THEEE Ohio State Hit Hard by NCAA - The ruling is in

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Yes, they were misled. But by December, they had all the information about the incident and STILL cleared the players to play in the Sugar Bowl. I think that is the point. The punishment for the players will not increase or decrease based on what happens to Tressel. They did what they did, and that was the same (and was KNOWN the same) in December as it is now.

The difference is in the level of trickery that was believed to have been used by Tressel. He, and potentially the program, face stiffer punishment based on the revelations made since the Sugar Bowl about how he handled finding out about the violations.

If Tressel had not lied, and this came to light before last season, THE OSU maybe doesn't even make it to that bowl. It hardly seems fair to allow them to retain that victory given the circumstances. The underlying crime was the same, but the lie touched off a chain of events (or delayed events) that unquestionably altered the course of the season and who ultimately made it to BCS bowls.

And really, everyone got what they wanted - the Sugar Bowl/advertising money - so the retroactive loss of a win really shouldn't bother anyone. It's mostly a symbolic punishment anyway. They'll get to keep the money, which is the most important thing.

[RainMaker]

Taking away the wins doesn't seem like a big deal. It's not like anyone is running around saying the Fab Five didn't win a single game. Everyone still remembers their run to the Championship game.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

If Tressel had not lied, and this came to light before last season, THE OSU maybe doesn't even make it to that bowl. It hardly seems fair to allow them to retain that victory given the circumstances. The underlying crime was the same, but the lie touched off a chain of events (or delayed events) that unquestionably altered the course of the season and who ultimately made it to BCS bowls.

And really, everyone got what they wanted - the Sugar Bowl/advertising money - so the retroactive loss of a win really shouldn't bother anyone. It's mostly a symbolic punishment anyway. They'll get to keep the money, which is the most important thing.

Yes, I see your point. I agree, I am not bothered by retroactive losses but can see why the Sugar Bowl might potentially be in play as a further punishment.

[fantom1979]

Maybe I missed it earlier in the thread, but why would they get to keep the BCS money if the Sugar Bowl is stripped? I would think it would be a no-brainer that you fine them the money.

[Ksyrup]

Well, I'm not sure how it works in the Big Ten, but in most conferences, that money doesn't just go to the school that played, it goes into a pro-rata fund that all teams share from. And I'm sure some/most of that has been invested/spent, so you're opening up a can of worms. Would be nice if they would try something like that with real teeth, but...

This, of course, doesn't include Texas, which not only keeps the money for the bowl game they play, but gets 75% of the other Big 12 teams' takes, too.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

The NCAA ruled in days on Dez Bryant. They aren't going to rule for a full year on Tressel. Pretending that this is equal enforcement is laughable.

Not true. Dez Bryant was under investigation by the NCAA before his junior season began. Oklahoma State self reported the workout with Deion during the summer and didn't get a ruling until after the 3rd game of the season.

Originally Posted by RainMaker

The NCAA is an utter joke and cares nothing about the kids. If they did they'd be trying to get them compensated for all the money they make these institutions.

It's an utter joke to take extreme stances against "the man". Archaic rules is an argument I'll listen to but taking the stance that the NCAA cares nothing about the kids comes off as just another example of someone that just wants to blame authority for everything. NCAA is far from perfect, but there are plenty of rules in place that show the NCAA at least attempts to take care of the kids. Not everything has to be taken to the extreme to make a point.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Atocep

It's an utter joke to take extreme stances against "the man". Archaic rules is an argument I'll listen to but taking the stance that the NCAA cares nothing about the kids comes off as just another example of someone that just wants to blame authority for everything. NCAA is far from perfect, but there are plenty of rules in place that show the NCAA at least attempts to take care of the kids. Not everything has to be taken to the extreme to make a point.

You mean like the health insurance provided after students have exhausted their eligibility even though they were injured playing the NCAA sport they can't be payed for....oh wait thats right I PAID over $45,000 for those surgeries out of pocket.

What about the ones crippled for life they surely get some death and dismemberment coverage right?
oh they don't...


Yeah Way to go NCAA we know you love our kids.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

You mean like the health insurance provided after students have exhausted their eligibility even though they were injured playing the NCAA sport they can't be payed for....oh wait thats right I PAID over $45,000 for those surgeries out of pocket.

What about the ones crippled for life they surely get some death and dismemberment coverage right?
oh they don't...


Yeah Way to go NCAA we know you love our kids.

I've mentioned on this board in the past that healthcare benefits is an area the NCAA needs to improve on. It's far more important than making sure the 1% of the players who's jerseys sell get reimbursed for it.

I know the NCAA has a ton of issues. My point was taking an extreme stance, and in Rainmaker's case with false information, doesn't make much of a point.

[Arles]

Originally Posted by Atocep

According to the NCAA, USC's athletic department was negligent in how it handled Reggie Bush and his connection to agents (among other accusations). This wasn't a head coach or an assistant coach that were negligent, but instead the coaches and the administration. The Mayo case was rolled into it to show that USC was having issues across multiple sports. This, according to the NCAA, was a lack of control that was widespread throughout the institution.

The NCAA's accusations against Ohio State pin everything on Tressel because, as of right now, there's no evidence that Tressel informed anyone else in the athletic department of what he knew.

The difference is one coach withholding information and lying to the NCAA opposed to multiple coaches and multiple members of the athletic department being negligent and/or breaking rules.

So, basically, being "negligent" and not realizing one athlete's ties with agents is much worse than actually knowing multiple players broke similar rules and then hiding it from the NCAA.

In retrospect, Reggie Bush should have told Pete Carroll and had him hide it from the NCAA. Then, atleast the school wouldn't have been "negligent". That makes sense

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Arles

So, basically, being "negligent" and not realizing one athlete's ties with agents is much worse than actually knowing multiple players broke similar rules and then hiding it from the NCAA.

In retrospect, Reggie Bush should have told Pete Carroll and had him hide it from the NCAA. Then, atleast the school wouldn't have been "negligent". That makes sense

The distinction you're missing is "USC Athletic Department vs. Jim Tressel. The NCAA viewed the entire USC Athletic Department (or at least the key leaders) as willfully oblivious to what was going on around them. Whereas at Ohio State, at the moment the evidence appears to show that Tressel was lying to his superiors, i.e. he was "going rogue".

Now, that's not to say that the NCAA might not find enough additional items in their snooping to implicate the department at large, and/or tie in past transgressions to paint a picture of lack of institutional control, but at the moment the Tressel situation is one where the evidence at hand shows he was acting alone.

[Arles]

I see their distinction, but it doesn't make sense. You can't say on one hand that an institution should have known that 1 or 2 players dealt with agents. Then, on the other, say that the institution had no way to know that 4-5 high profile football players sold championship rings, jerseys and awards - as well as took money/benefits from local business over a 2-year stretch.

I don't understand that USC was supposed know about an agent giving one or maybe 2 player's family under the table benefits, but there was no way that Ohio State could have known about 5 players selling jerseys, rings and taking money over a 2-year period. Then you add in that the head coach knew and didn't tell anyone and that the Buckeyes have the highest # of recruiting infractions since 2000 by any major school. I don't see you can have less institutional control of a program than OSU did.

But, for some reason, big 10 football seems immune to the major sanctions that teams from the SEC, Big 12 and Pac 10 face.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Not true. Dez Bryant was under investigation by the NCAA before his junior season began. Oklahoma State self reported the workout with Deion during the summer and didn't get a ruling until after the 3rd game of the season.

When they found out Dez Bryant lied, they ruled him ineligible. They have deemed Tressel lied with overwhelming evidence, why isn't he ineligible? Why are we waiting till August? Why are they not going to rule till the end of the season? Why the swift justice for Dez Bryant but not Jim Tressel?

Originally Posted by Atocep

It's an utter joke to take extreme stances against "the man". Archaic rules is an argument I'll listen to but taking the stance that the NCAA cares nothing about the kids comes off as just another example of someone that just wants to blame authority for everything. NCAA is far from perfect, but there are plenty of rules in place that show the NCAA at least attempts to take care of the kids. Not everything has to be taken to the extreme to make a point.

If they care about the kids, why don't they get a dime from the millions they generate? Why are they not allowed to have jobs, talk to agents, have endorsement deals, make money off jerseys that have their number on the back? Why did it take a massive lawsuit before they'd provide year-round health insurance for athletes? And why did the NCAA pass a rule the other day forcing kids to make their decisions on going pro much sooner? I mean if this is about the kids future as they proclaim in the commercials, shouldn't we be helping them make the right choice instead of pressuring them into staying? I can go on for hours if you'd like.

The fact is that college athletics is really professional sports. Except the people driving the revenue are not allowed to see any of it. That's looking out for their best interest, right?

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

The fact is that college athletics is really professional sports. Except the people driving the revenue are not allowed to see any of it. That's looking out for their best interest, right?

You know where the vast majority of that money they generate goes, right? To their fellow athletes, the ones competing in sports that bring in jack shit for revenue. If football and men's basketball players want to get mad at not getting paid, the people they really need to look at are their peers on the soccer, gymnastics, swimming, track & field, cross country, etc. teams. That's where the vast majority of the money they generate is going...

[Arles]

The good ole NCAA makes another puzzling decision. They laid the LOIC charge on Boise State for giving a total of $4,934 in meals/housing benefits to 63 incoming students (about $80 a student) between the years of 2005 and 2009. Many of the students were in women's tennis and track-in-field and the charges involved reimbursements for mostly small dollar transportation and meals. They also let a women's tennis player compete before her paperwork had been completely filed. Obviously, we need to ensure that agents/benefits don't start lining the pockets of women's tennis and pole-vaulting players (to the tune of $80 each!). That's when chaos starts!

Once again, the non-BCS schools are held to a level the NCAA would never expect from the big boys (esp Big 10 schools). At some point, I would love some kind of anti-trust suit to completely topple this corrupt NCAA. It's a joke. Ohio State will get off with a slap on the wrist while Boise State gets "lack of institutionalized school" for allowing $2.34 bus ticket reimbursements to women's tennis players.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Arles

The good ole NCAA makes another puzzling decision. They laid the LOIC charge on Boise State for giving a total of $4,934 in meals/housing benefits to 63 incoming students (about $80 a student) between the years of 2005 and 2009. Many of the students were in women's tennis and track-in-field. Obviously, this violation was much worse than what happened with Ohio State

It's "lack of institutional control", not "your head coach is a lying idiot".

You're also conveniently leaving out why this got a stronger look: less than a year after this stuff Boise State self-reported a major violation in women's tennis, in which one tennis player was allowed to compete before being officially enrolled.. That's a pretty "institutional" fuck up right there.

[Arles]

For that specific charge, women's tennis coaches knowingly allowed someone to participate before they were officially enrolled. Those coaches were fired and the student removed from future competition. I'm not sure what else the institution could have done at that point. But, the bulk of the case revolves around small cash allowances to track-and-field and tennis team potential recruits/enrolled players by current students. To me, this is like saying it's more serious to clean out the "take/leave a penny" cup at a liquor store for a week straight than to come in and rob the place one night.

I mean, this is directly from the story:

"The majority of allegations involved impermissible housing, transportation or meals, including where an incoming student-athlete was provided a place to sleep (often on a couch or floor), a car ride or free meals."

So, a women's tennis prospect visiting the university and being allowed to crash on someone's couch and getting a ride to taco bell is more serious than guys hocking their championship gear and getting money from boosters? I have a feeling people in the Big 10 and SEC are having quite the laugh over this story given what the NCAA has already found goes on in those conferences.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Arles

For that specific charge, women's tennis coaches knowingly allowed someone to participate before they were officially enrolled. Those coaches were fired and the student removed from future competition. I'm not sure what else the institution could have done at that point. But, the bulk of the case revolves around small cash allowances to track-and-field and tennis team potential recruits/enrolled players by current students. To me, this is like saying it's more serious to clean out the "take/leave a penny" cup at a liquor store for a week straight than to come in and rob the place one night.

I mean, this is directly from the story:

"The majority of allegations involved impermissible housing, transportation or meals, including where an incoming student-athlete was provided a place to sleep (often on a couch or floor), a car ride or free meals."

So, a women's tennis prospect visiting the university and being allowed to crash on someone's couch and getting a ride to taco bell is more serious than guys hocking their championship gear and getting money from boosters? I have a feeling people in the Big 10 and SEC are having quite the laugh over this story given what the NCAA has already found goes on in those conferences.

Not necessarily more serious, but more widespread throughout the athletic department.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Not necessarily more serious, but more widespread throughout the athletic department.

Ding ding ding.

[Arles]

I guess I can see that. But when the total violations for 5 years are 4K, with most in the $2-$30 range, that seems pretty ticky-tacky. 5 players selling items and receiving loans from a booster for over $10,000, the coach knowing and doing nothing - then the school finding out the coach knew and decides not fire him represent a bigger "institutional control" issue to me. Especially, when you add that the school in reference here led the BCS schools in reported NCAA recruiting infractions for 8 years running.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Arles

I mean, this is directly from the story:
"The majority of allegations involved impermissible housing, transportation or meals, including where an incoming student-athlete was provided a place to sleep (often on a couch or floor), a car ride or free meals."

Right, and they were matters that had already been settled until they basically allowed a non-student to compete on their behalf. That's what reopened the case & changed the circumstances considerably, clearly they had not managed to get their house in order as agreed in the settlement on the first batch & the second violation led to a re-examination. (which is also explained in the article I read)

So, a women's tennis prospect visiting the university and being allowed to crash on someone's couch and getting a ride to taco bell is more serious than guys hocking their championship gear and getting money from boosters?

Absolutely. The former is institutionally condoned/orchestrated, the latter is instigated by the player. The comparison would be if Tressel had helped the players find a buyer for their swag but that isn't what happened so that case is largely irrelevant to this one.


I have a feeling people in the Big 10 and SEC are having quite the laugh over this story given what the NCAA has already found goes on in those conferences.[/quote]

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by Arles

Especially, when you add that the school in reference here led the BCS schools in reported NCAA recruiting infractions for 8 years running.

I think this bears highlighting in this discussion. Maybe OSU is just better at plausible deniability for its AD? Or is letting the football and basketball programs come up with their own workarounds the better way to go because if they're following different plans it won't seem like the institution is organizing things?

[Young Drachma]

I'm guessing they figured she could play and that no one would notice because she'd eventually be enrolled. I wonder what the heck happened that they figured it out or more importantly, whether they used that as a cover up to bury other allegations. Or more importantly, why they'd be so stupid to do that. Wonder if it means they'll can the tennis coach after this.

Still, you had to figure they'd go after a program like that eventually. They've been quiet for a while. Shrug.

[Arles]

The school found out about this before the NCAA got involved and fired the two coaches involved. They then reported it to the NCAA, who also investigated the other sports (primarily track and field) and that's when they found the other instances involving potential student athletes staying with other athletes and getting the "couch, transportation and meals out" benefit (some as low as $2.34).

So, you could make the argument that BSU had better institutional control than Ohio State in that they atleast fired the coaches involved in the tennis thing the moment they found out (and prior to NCAA involvement).

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Arles

The school found out about this before the NCAA got involved and fired the two coaches involved. They then reported it to the NCAA, who also investigated the other sports (primarily track and field) and that's when they found the other instances involving potential student athletes staying with other athletes and getting the "couch, transportation and meals out" benefit (some as low as $2.34).

Firing the coaches is the right thing to do, but still doesn't dismiss the fact that the infractions took place. Instead, it's something that will probably be taken into consideration when penalties are handed out.

Originally Posted by Arles

So, you could make the argument that BSU had better institutional control than Ohio State in that they atleast fired the coaches involved in the tennis thing the moment they found out (and prior to NCAA involvement).

You could make that argument, but you'd be missing the point of institutional control in the NCAA's eyes.

[Arles]

Originally Posted by Atocep

You could make that argument, but you'd be missing the point of institutional control in the NCAA's eyes.

I think that's pretty obvious by now. I could be persuaded that having a couple non-revenue generating sports make some minor infractions combined with one blunder = LOIC. But, if that's the case, I don't think I'll ever understand how multiple fairly major infractions (from a dollar value, quantity and visibility standpoint) but centralized on just college football aren't equally as "out of control".

I think it's reasonable to assume that it's a lot harder to keep an eye on every $20 "reimbursement" in track and field or women's tennis than it would be to watch thousand dollar transactions involving multiple high profile athletes on the highest revenue generating sport - esp when the head coach knows about it.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by Arles

But, if that's the case, I don't think I'll ever understand how multiple fairly major infractions (from a dollar value, quantity and visibility standpoint) but centralized on just college football aren't equally as "out of control".

But it's not just football, basketball got hit back in 2006.

[DeToxRox]

Ohio State to investigate players' car deals
Official: No known problems with dozens of sales
Saturday, May 7, 2011 03:07 AM
By Jill Riepenhoff, Mike Wagner and Randy Ludlow

Ohio State University's chief enforcer of NCAA rules said yesterday that he will investigate used-car purchases made by dozens of OSU athletes at two Columbus car dealers to see if any sale violated collegiate rules.

The investigation was initiated after The Dispatch found in public records that at least eight Ohio State athletes and 11 athletes' relatives bought used cars from Jack Maxton Chevrolet or Auto Direct during the past five years. The investigation will involve outside experts and examine at least 50 sales, focusing on whether the athletes received improper benefits.

The common thread in those two dozen transactions was the salesman: Aaron Kniffin, who has worked at both dealerships.

"We'll take a step back, we'll take a look at the transactions and the values, and we'll make some determinations in consultation with the (Big Ten) conference office and go from there," said Doug Archie, associate athletic director and head of compliance at OSU.

"I have nothing to believe a violation has occurred," he said.

NCAA rules don't prohibit athletes from shopping at the same stores, eating at the same restaurants or buying cars at the same dealerships. The rules prohibit athletes and their relatives from receiving discounts that are not offered to the general public.

In a joint interview with Archie yesterday, Jack Maxton owner Jeff Mauk and Auto Direct owner Jason Goss both said they never have given athletes special deals.

Mauk estimated that 40 to 50 Buckeyes bought cars from his dealership in the past five or six years .

Archie said that he was aware of all the transactions involving the athletes that The Dispatch found, but he was unaware of purchases made by their relatives.

Both dealers, whose businesses are not connected, say they routinely call Archie's office when an athlete is ready to buy a car, provide the purchase price and discuss who will co-sign on a loan. Archie said he relies on the car dealers to provide accurate information.

"I'm not a car expert. We have to rely on their integrity and their word when it comes to selling a car," he said. Ohio State runs "spot checks" on some transactions against the Kelley Blue Book value.

Archie said that he'd rather one or two dealerships didn't receive all the OSU business. "It's something from a compliance perspective that I would rather not have," he said.

Goss and Kniffin both have attended seven football games as guests of players, including the 2007 national championship and the 2009 Fiesta Bowl. At some point after 2008, Archie barred Kniffin from the players' pass list because OSU rules prohibit athletes from inviting people with whom they do business.

Goss said he received his passes from athletes who never bought cars from him.

Kniffin told The Dispatch that he has sold cars to at least four dozen OSU athletes and their relatives, that the OSU compliance staff directed them to him, and that university officials reviewed all documents before sales were final.

Archie said that he has spoken to Kniffin only once, never reviews sales documents and has not directed players to any dealerships.

All but one athlete and all of the relatives could not be reached for comment or did not respond to requests for comment.

The purchases reviewed by The Dispatch were made when Kniffin worked at Maxton between 2004 and 2009 and then at Auto Direct between 2009 and 2010.

Public records show that in 2009, a 2-year-old Chrysler 300 with less than 20,000 miles was titled to then-sophomore linebacker Thaddeus Gibson. Documents show the purchase price as $0.

Mauk could not explain it. "I don't give cars for free," he said. Gibson said he was unaware the title on his car showed zero as the sales price. "I paid for the car, and I'm still paying for it," he said, declining to answer further questions.

The cars involved sold for the average price of $11,600. Most vehicles were Chevrolets, Buicks or Dodges manufactured between 2000 and 2007. More than half had less than 50,000 miles when sold by Kniffin. Six cars had more than 100,000 miles.

Legally, dealers can sell cars at whatever price they want and are not bound by NCAA rules.

The Dispatch reviewed sales prices from Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicle records of the 24 car transactions. The records detail the year, make, model and mileage.

Officials at two national car-valuation companies - National Automobile Dealers Association and Kelley Blue Book - were asked by The Dispatch to estimate the value of the cars at the time of purchase. The values they estimated were higher than the price paid in nearly half of the transactions. However, they said it's difficult to accurately evaluate the sales without seeing the vehicles to assess condition and options.

"No one can tell you what a car's worth," Goss said.

Goss said that the athletes and relatives found his dealership because he sells good cars at good prices. "I know how to buy cars right," he said, noting that he buys cars and acquires trade-ins at low prices, permitting him to sell cars well below retail.

Two former NCAA enforcement officials, who spoke to The Dispatch on the condition of anonymity, individually said there's cause for concern.

The two collectively have decades of NCAA compliance experience. Neither had ever heard of so many athletes buying cars from the same salesman.

Car ownership among athletes has been a recurring issue at Ohio State dating back to Maurice Clarett in 2003 and extending to the current NCAA investigation of OSU memorabilia sales in which, among other things, one player traded Rose Bowl watches for a vehicle. Four of the six players suspended for selling items for tattoos - or their relatives - also bought cars from the dealers.

The Dispatch began looking at car ownership after Kniffin's name showed up on the players' guest list for three football games in 2007.

By then, Kniffin, who was working for Maxton, had sold cars to football players Gibson, Chris "Beanie" Wells and Maurice Wells while they were still in school. The mothers of both Wells' also bought cars. At the time, Beanie's mom lived in Akron and Maurice's lived in Maryland.

While employed there, Kniffin also sold cars to football players Robert Rose, Doug Worthington and Solomon Thomas. He also sold cars to Kurt Coleman's brother, Robert Rose's father and Ray Small's father.

While at Auto Direct, a used-car dealership at 2300 E. Dublin-Granville Rd., he sold to wide receiver DeVier Posey and basketball player William Buford. Relatives who bought cars from Kniffin include Pryor's mother and brother, Daniel "Boom" Herron's father, basketball player Jon Diebler's parents and Solomon Thomas' father.

Kniffin also loaned cars to quarterback Terrelle Pryor, including his own for a three-day test drive to Pennsylvania, where Pryor lives.

Kniffin, 42, who is now selling cars in an undisclosed state, vividly recalled details of the cars sold. He disputed, however, the sales prices that were listed on state motor-vehicle records.

"The sales price is much more than that," he said. "You are so far away from what the transactions are all about."

Ohio law requires dealers to report accurate information about all car sales for tax purposes. Failure to submit accurate information is a first-degree misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail and a $1,000 fine.

Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles Registrar Mike Rankin said the agency would investigate the transactions amid Kniffin's statement that the figures listed on titles were less than the true sale prices. Rankin likewise was puzzled by Gibson's title reflecting a loan but no sales price.

"There are clearly some issues that are problematic. It's worth seeing if there are any dealer improprieties," Rankin said.

Goss disputed Kniffin's assertion that vehicles were sold to OSU players at prices higher than listed on the titles. "Titles reflect sales prices."

Auto Direct's showroom is filled with autographed jerseys from former and current players who have purchased cars from Kniffin.

Goss, who said he is a big Buckeyes fan, said he received no memorabilia from players, who autographed jerseys he had purchased while buying their cars.

Kniffin, who said he is not an OSU fan, has had financial problems since 2006. He now owes more than $130,000 to the IRS, and his $570,000 Delaware County home is in foreclosure.

At least six major athletic programs have faced NCAA sanctions since 1990 because their athletes had free use of cars or received suspect deals on purchases: Arizona State (2005), Illinois (1990 and 2005), Minnesota (2000), Louisville (1996), Michigan State (1996), and Southern California (2010).

[DeToxRox]

BFeldmanESPN Bruce Feldman
One car, a 2-yr-old Chrysler 300, was titled to a Buckeye sophomore DE in 2009. Documents show the purchase price as $0.
6 minutes ago

[rowech]

Originally Posted by rowech

THe big story will no doubt be what most already know about. Pryor along with other players are tied to a car dealership in Columbus. The dealership has autographs, jerseys, etc. throughout the dealership and Pryor and others are seen driving around in different cars just about every month.

Mentioned the stuff about the cars two months ago...old news for anyone living in Ohio. Was just a matter of time. This is Tressel's final nail.

[Noop]

How is OSU going to avoid lack of institutional control from the NCAA? The Vest has to be given his walking papers soon right?

[Matthean]

So since RR got fired, U fo M is 2-0 against MSU in basketball, and OSU seems to be likely to get it's butt handed to itself by the NCAA with Tressel maybe gone. I'm ok with this.

[Lathum]

The fact that Tressel still has a job makes the whole university look like a joke

[Scoobz0202]

Originally Posted by rowech

Mentioned the stuff about the cars two months ago...old news for anyone living in Ohio. Was just a matter of time. This is Tressel's final nail.

Yup. Only a matter of time before this got out.

[molson]

So could the car stuff effect Pryor's eligibility? He might as well just bail at this point.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

In other news, a large orange-ish ball appeared in the sky this morning. Objects became easier to see and the air became noticeably warmer.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

BFeldmanESPN Bruce Feldman
One car, a 2-yr-old Chrysler 300, was titled to a Buckeye sophomore DE in 2009. Documents show the purchase price as $0.
6 minutes ago

Well, it was a Chrysler.

Originally Posted by Noop

How is OSU going to avoid lack of institutional control from the NCAA? The Vest has to be given his walking papers soon right?

Yep. NCAA better hammer OSU or give USC relief from their sanctions.

[fantom1979]

Originally Posted by molson

So could the car stuff effect Pryor's eligibility? He might as well just bail at this point.

Is it too late to get into the NFL supplemental draft?

[JPhillips]

Is there a supplemental draft?

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by fantom1979

Is it too late to get into the NFL supplemental draft?

I can't imagine anyone wanting him. He might want to learn the words to "Oh, Canada".

[molson]

Apparently, there will still be the supplemental draft in July, and even in early April, Pryor was mulling over leaving.

Breaking: Ohio State's Terrelle Pryor Considering 2011 NFL Supplemental Draft | Bleacher Report

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by molson

Apparently, there will still be the supplemental draft in July, and even in early April, Pryor was mulling over leaving.

Breaking: Ohio State's Terrelle Pryor Considering 2011 NFL Supplemental Draft | Bleacher Report

If the NFL is officially back by July, teams will be able to make trades for what veteran QBs need to be dealt so he's really looking at 3rd string at best type of situations. Not that he wasn't around that level anyway, but it would be the worst way for him to go to the NFL.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Matthean

If the NFL is officially back by July, teams will be able to make trades for what veteran QBs need to be dealt so he's really looking at 3rd string at best type of situations. Not that he wasn't around that level anyway, but it would be the worst way for him to go to the NFL.

True, it only makes sense if he's ruled ineligible for the entire 2011 college season - but that just seems to be where this is going.

[Balldog]

Originally Posted by molson

Apparently, there will still be the supplemental draft in July, and even in early April, Pryor was mulling over leaving.

Breaking: Ohio State's Terrelle Pryor Considering 2011 NFL Supplemental Draft | Bleacher Report

That article is nearly a month old and Pryor has denied the rumors, but who knows with him.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Balldog

That article is nearly a month old and Pryor has denied the rumors, but who knows with him.

And, you know, it is the Bleacher Report.

[Ragone]

so who is the next coach of this violation nightmare?.. honestly, i'm a big fan of the ncaa shutting down a school's program for a season and letting all the innocent student athletes transfer freely and play right away. Thats a real death penalty.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Originally Posted by Ragone

so who is the next coach of this violation nightmare?

Rich Rodriguez. He seemed pretty popular with the Ohio State fans the last few years.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Ragone

so who is the next coach of this violation nightmare?.. honestly, i'm a big fan of the ncaa shutting down a school's program for a season and letting all the innocent student athletes transfer freely and play right away. Thats a real death penalty.

Bo Pelini? If Tressell is fired soon, I could certainly see one of the current assistants serving out the year and then Urban Meyer taking over.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Bo Pelini? If Tressell is fired soon, I could certainly see one of the current assistants serving out the year and then Urban Meyer taking over.

Depends on the sanctions. I don't think Meyer will go to OSU if they get hit with severe penalties. There has been some talk of Meyer actually being in line to replace Mack Brown at UT which I think is doubtful but I suppose could happen.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

If Tressell is fired soon, I could certainly see one of the current assistants serving out the year and then Urban Meyer taking over.

I honestly don't get why people are assuming he would go there.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Matthean

I honestly don't get why people are assuming he would go there.

Besides the fact he's an Ohio native, spent a few years as an assistant there and it's a top-ten all-time football program?

If (and it's likely a big if) he wants to get back into coaching, Ohio State is a strong candidate.