NFL Free Agency - Page 6

mhass · 03-08-2005, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Any Niners fans have an opinion on Cedric Wilson?

I don't believe I have ever heard of him before this signing and his size/speed make it sound like he is a Randle El clone--more quick and agile than downfield speedy. I was kind of hoping the Steelers could find some contrasting talent in FA and the draft, along the lines of one tall/possession type and one deep threat to go with Hines Ward and Randle El.

Not a niner's fan, but Wilson is decent. He's not Plex though.

TazFTW · 03-08-2005, 04:10 PM

Buccaneers resign Joey Galloway.

Darren Howard will sign his franchise tender. The Saints are still looking to trade him.

mckerney · 03-08-2005, 04:32 PM

KFAN reporting that the Vikings are close to resigning Jermaine Wiggins.

Franklinnoble · 03-08-2005, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

KFAN reporting that the Vikings are close to resigning Jermaine Wiggins.

Wonder what that means for Kleinsasser...

mckerney · 03-08-2005, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Wonder what that means for Kleinsasser...

I don't think it means much for Kleinsasser, the Vikings will likely continue to run a 2 TE set most of the time next year. Wiggins wasn't nearly the blocker the team expected him to be when they brought him in though was a much better reciever, so the two likely aren't in competition for the same spot.

KFAN also reporting that a Viking official said that the team is currently in contract negotiations with Fred Smoot.

Franklinnoble · 03-08-2005, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

I don't think it means much for Kleinsasser, the Vikings will likely continue to run a 2 TE set most of the time next year. Wiggins wasn't nearly the blocker the team expected him to be when they brought him in though was a much better reciever, so the two likely aren't in competition for the same spot.

KFAN also reporting that a Viking official said that the team is currently in contract negotiations with Fred Smoot.

Fred Smoot still has a pretty good offer on the table from Washington. I would be shocked if Red McCombs is the man to beat it.

mckerney · 03-08-2005, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Fred Smoot still has a pretty good offer on the table from Washington. I would be shocked if Red McCombs is the man to beat it.

I'm sure the deal would have to include the deal would include a delayed bonus much like Pat Williams recieved.

mckerney · 03-08-2005, 05:26 PM

Source: Vikings close to signing Smoot
Last Update: 3/8/2005 4:14:50 PM

KFAN dot com

The Vikings and free-agent cornerback Fred Smoot are close to reaching an agreement on a lucrative multiyear contract, a Vikings source told the FAN on Tuesday afternoon.

Smoot, a former second-round pick who played his first four seasons in Washington, rejected a contract offer from the Redskins last week that included a $10 million bonus.

Vikings vice president of football operations Rob Brzezinski, coach Mike Tice and other team officials were ironing out contract details with Smoot and his agent, James Cook, in a closed-door meeting at Winter Park, the source said. Smoot was scheduled to continue his free-agent tour on a flight Tuesday afternoon.

Smoot, considered one of the NFL's premier cover cornerbacks, has 182 tackles and 16 interceptions in 60 career games. He battled shoulder and back problems in 2004, but played in 15 games -- missing only the Redskins' victorious season finale against the Vikings.

The 25-year-old Mississippi State product also has had chest and knee injuries, playing in all 16 games just once in his four-year career.

In Minnesota, Smoot would play opposite Antoine Winfield, who signed a six-year, $35 million contract last March that included a $10.8 million bonus.

As of Tuesday afternoon, the Vikings were roughly $31 million under the salary cap.

damnMikeBrown · 03-08-2005, 05:30 PM

Glad the Bengals are making moves to improve.

flere-imsaho · 03-08-2005, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

As of Tuesday afternoon, the Vikings were roughly $31 million under the salary cap.

Holy crap! How did they manage that? Do they still have a lot of people to sign?

stevew · 03-08-2005, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyser

kendrell bell to kc for 7 years.

Thats a gripload of cash(10+ million guaranteed) for a guy with health issues. I can't believe you can be hurt all year and still expect 6mil/year like his agent was expecting. Talentwise it may be a loss to Pitt, but its not like we were gonna miss him anyways. I wonder what round of compensatory pick he will give us.

TazFTW · 03-08-2005, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Holy crap! How did they manage that? Do they still have a lot of people to sign?

Nah, just cheap.

stevew · 03-08-2005, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Holy crap! How did they manage that? Do they still have a lot of people to sign?

Apparently they give guys a lot of incentives marked "likely to be achieved" and when the guys dont get those incentives, they get folded into the cap the following year. I read about one team giving their 3rd string QB a 5 million dollar incentive if he throws the most TD passes for the team(I think Jacksonville). Its a cap loophole they should look to close in the future to some degree.

Swaggs · 03-08-2005, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Thats a gripload of cash(10+ million guaranteed) for a guy with health issues. I can't believe you can be hurt all year and still expect 6mil/year like his agent was expecting. Talentwise it may be a loss to Pitt, but its not like we were gonna miss him anyways. I wonder what round of compensatory pick he will give us.

I hope they are graded by the amount of the player's new contract.

sovereignstar · 03-08-2005, 07:14 PM

Local radio has confirmed that Smoot has signed with the Vikes.

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Vikings bolster secondary with Smoot
Last Update: 3/8/2005 6:17:09 PM

KFAN dot com

The Vikings and free-agent cornerback Fred Smoot agreed to terms on a six-year deal early Tuesday evening, the FAN has learned.

Terms were not disclosed, but the deal is believed to be close to the six-year, $35 million contract the Vikings' other top cornerback, Antoine Winfield, signed last March.

The team will introduce Smoot at an 11 a.m. press conference Wednesday.

Smoot, a former second-round pick who played his first four seasons in Washington, rejected a contract offer from the Redskins last week that included a $10 million bonus.

The 5-foot-11, 174-pound cornerback planned to continue his free-agent tour in Kansas City on Tuesday afternoon, but missed the flight while his agent, James Cook, ironed out details with Vikings officials at Winter Park.

Smoot, considered one of the NFL's premier cover cornerbacks, has 182 tackles and 16 interceptions in 60 career games. He battled shoulder and back problems in 2004, but played in 15 games -- missing only the Redskins' victorious season finale against the Vikings.

The 25-year-old Mississippi State product also has had chest and knee injuries, playing in all 16 games just once in his four-year career.

Smott will start opposite Winfield in Minnesota, replacing restricted free agent Brian Williams.

cthomer5000 · 03-08-2005, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Apparently they give guys a lot of incentives marked "likely to be achieved" and when the guys dont get those incentives, they get folded into the cap the following year. I read about one team giving their 3rd string QB a 5 million dollar incentive if he throws the most TD passes for the team(I think Jacksonville). Its a cap loophole they should look to close in the future to some degree.

Don't confuse the issues here. There's no way the NFL would deem that clause you're talking about "likely to be earned."

MikeVic · 03-08-2005, 08:00 PM

I like Fred Smoot... and I'm not biased by the fact that he was my starting corner in FOF2K4 for a long time. I like him in the NFL, too I guess.

Honolulu_Blue · 03-08-2005, 08:11 PM

It's a good signing for the Vikes. It gives them two quality starting corners for the first time in years. If they do manage to trade for Darius, they should have a decent D. Their line is pretty strong, the linebackers are fast and athletic, and their secondary should be solid. If they get a good wideout in the draft (or sign an FA) to help fill the Randy Moss void, they should be in good shape.

mckerney · 03-08-2005, 09:05 PM

http://www.startribune.com/stories/510/5281325.html

The Vikings have agreed to terms with free agent tight end Jermaine Wiggins on a five-year deal worth $7.3 million with a $1 million signing bonus, his agent, George Mavrikes, told the Star Tribune on Tuesday.

With the Smoot signing, Brian Williams can either be moved to safety, or he'll be a solid nickle back.

Franklinnoble · 03-08-2005, 09:20 PM

Vikings are busy today...

mckerney · 03-08-2005, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Vikings are busy today...

Yeah, if only they can pull off a deal for Darius today.

sovereignstar · 03-08-2005, 09:30 PM

Any idea on who the Vikings kicker is going to be next year, mckerney? I don't want this to end up being another "wait until someone gets cut during training camp" type deal.

mckerney · 03-08-2005, 09:33 PM

With luck, Mike Nugent.

Ragone · 03-08-2005, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

With luck, Mike Nugent.

Hell, Ted nugent would be an upgrade at this point

mckerney · 03-08-2005, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragone

Hell, Ted nugent would be an upgrade at this point

Yeah. It sure would be nice to get some youth at the kicker position.

If we're unlucky, Rhys Lloyd will be wearing purple as he fires extra point attempts into the defensive line. Why he's ranked the 3rd best kicking prospect by Kiper is beyond me.

TLK · 03-08-2005, 10:13 PM

John Clayton is reporting that Brad Johnson will end up with the Lions, possibly as early as tomorrow....

cthomer5000 · 03-08-2005, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLionKing

John Clayton is reporting that Brad Johnson will end up with the Lions, possibly as early as tomorrow....

Where's Jeff Garcia go? Joins the iffy Tampa situation?

Coffee Warlord · 03-08-2005, 10:41 PM

Sigh. Looking like Bears and Jay Fiedler are gonna be united.

Joy.

stevew · 03-08-2005, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Don't confuse the issues here. There's no way the NFL would deem that clause you're talking about "likely to be earned."

Seriously, Quinn Gray had like 6 million in incentives that he didnt earn, but that were considered "likely to be earned," giving the Jags an extra cap credit for this year.

TLK · 03-08-2005, 10:45 PM

Garcia had been linked with Denver. Seattle is also possible after the Dilfer trade....

Vince · 03-08-2005, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Any Niners fans have an opinion on Cedric Wilson?

I don't believe I have ever heard of him before this signing and his size/speed make it sound like he is a Randle El clone--more quick and agile than downfield speedy. I was kind of hoping the Steelers could find some contrasting talent in FA and the draft, along the lines of one tall/possession type and one deep threat to go with Hines Ward and Randle El.

I'll miss him -- he was a solid young receiver who looked like he could be a solid #2/3 type WR. It seemed like every single pass he caught was for a first down.

Honolulu_Blue · 03-08-2005, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Where's Jeff Garcia go? Joins the iffy Tampa situation?

All signs pointed to Denver at one time. Though Seattle apparently jumped into the mix too after the Dilfer trade.

Honolulu_Blue · 03-08-2005, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLionKing

Garcia had been linked with Denver. Seattle is also possible after the Dilfer trade....

Woah.

That was weird. I didn't see your post when I posted mine.

stevew · 03-08-2005, 11:01 PM

This is the article i was talking about

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Around the 49ers, the phrase "dead money" has been heard a lot this year. Dead money refers to a portion of signing bonuses paid in the past to players who no longer are with the team.

Here's how it works:

Signing bonuses are prorated over the length of a contract for salary-cap purposes. If a player leaves the team before his contract expires, the remaining prorated portion of the bonus is counted immediately, in a lump sum, against the cap.

For example, when the 49ers got rid of Jeff Garcia following the 2003 season, they had to account for about $10 million of signing bonus previously paid to him but not yet counted against the cap.

That is known as "dead money."

In apportioning their $80.582 million salary cap this year, the 49ers had to include $28 million of dead money.

Dead money also can carry a hidden advantage to an owner because it allows a team to use up salary-cap space without spending anything more. Some NFL owners have been known to intentionally create dead money.

The flip side of dead money is a loophole in the cap rules that allows teams to create additional cap space.

Owners who want to spend more money, rather than pinch pennies, have an easy way to get some wiggle room. If a team has cap space remaining late in a season, because, say, space left for emergency injury replacements was not required, there is a way to push that cap room to the following year.

A team can do this by signing a player to a contract that calls for impossible-to-achieve bonuses; under the rules, a bonus added to a contract during the season is counted against the current cap as "likely to be earned," although it might never be paid.

Jacksonville recently did this with third-string quarterback Quinn Gray, signing a new deal that included a $6 million bonus if he leads the team in touchdown passes.

That won't happen, of course. So in 2005, that $6 million will be credited back to the Jaguars' salary cap, in effect raising their cap limit by that amount. Some owners want to close that loophole.

TazFTW · 03-08-2005, 11:31 PM

Cardinals sign S Robert Griffith to a two year deal.

Falcons sign P Toby Gowin and release P Chris Mohr

Browns sign Trent Dilfer to a 4 year deal

Patriots re-sign G Stephen Neal

cthomer5000 · 03-09-2005, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Seriously, Quinn Gray had like 6 million in incentives that he didnt earn, but that were considered "likely to be earned," giving the Jags an extra cap credit for this year.

I appreciate the follow-up, it looks like we both get half-credit here. It specifically mentions that bonuses that are added to a contract "during the season" are automatically factored in as "likely to be earned."

I wonder what the defition of "during the season" is, and I wonder how long it will take the NFL to close that particular loophole.

Vinatieri for Prez · 03-09-2005, 12:35 AM

I like what the Vikes are doing this year. They have seriously upgraded the defense - CB, LB, DL (which they had to do), and even more so if they add a quality safety. They dumped the Moss headache, and will probably get a very promising WR in Mike Williams in the draft. Add a 3rd receiver in FA, and I think they will compete. They won't be as explosive, but won't need to with the improved defense.

Fonzie · 03-09-2005, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinatieri for Prez

I like what the Vikes are doing this year. They have seriously upgraded the defense - CB, LB, DL (which they had to do), and even more so if they add a quality safety. They dumped the Moss headache, and will probably get a very promising WR in Mike Williams in the draft. Add a 3rd receiver in FA, and I think they will compete. They won't be as explosive, but won't need to with the improved defense.

I agree with you - and I'm a Packers fan. Their defense has gotten a whole lot better in the last week. That makes me uneasy - and the fact that Packers fans are uneasy should make Vikings fans very happy.

Franklinnoble · 03-09-2005, 02:17 AM

Bah. The Vikings need a new head coach before they go anywhere.

Tice is goddamned horrible.

Franklinnoble · 03-09-2005, 02:19 AM

dola... Seriously... I mean, Art Shell is begging to work as a head coach again, and Mike Tice still has a job.

Thomkal · 03-09-2005, 06:21 AM

Cards ownership shelling out money + Good players actually wanting to play for the Cardinals=Me, Cardinal fan, falling into a coma in disbelief.

Joe · 03-09-2005, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Bah. The Vikings need a new head coach before they go anywhere.

Tice is goddamned horrible.

you mean most coaches don't consider anything inside the 50 to be 4-down territory?

dawgfan · 03-09-2005, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

dola... Seriously... I mean, Art Shell is begging to work as a head coach again, and Mike Tice still has a job.

I really am puzzled by why Art Shell hasn't gotten another shot - the man was 54-38 with the Raiders and had just 1 losing season.

mhass · 03-09-2005, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Sigh. Looking like Bears and Jay Fiedler are gonna be united.

Joy.

I hear Fielder to the Jets. That leaves Garcia to Chicago. Not good.

Fonzie · 03-09-2005, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mhass

I hear Fielder to the Jets. That leaves Garcia to Chicago. Not good.

You know, having to choose between Fiedler and Garcia as a backup is a bit like having to choose whether you want an angry pack of chimps to rip off your nose or your foot.

scooper · 03-09-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Fonzie

You know, having to choose between Fiedler and Garcia as a backup is a bit like having to choose whether you want an angry pack of chimps to rip off your nose or your foot.

I don't think so. We're talking backup here. Granted he's not what he once was, but Garcia has played at a pro bowl level. Fiedler, granted isn't a great QB, but he has considerable starting experience, is intelligent and can pick up an offense and didn't exactly have a great offense around him in Miami.

No, I wouldn't want either of them leading my team, but really, how many back-ups would you look at and say "Wow. I want that guy?" My guess is only a handful. We are talking backups here.

mhass · 03-09-2005, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fonzie

You know, having to choose between Fiedler and Garcia as a backup is a bit like having to choose whether you want an angry pack of chimps to rip off your nose or your foot.

Only more painful.

Fonzie · 03-09-2005, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by scooper

I don't think so. We're talking backup here. Granted he's not what he once was, but Garcia has played at a pro bowl level. Fiedler, granted isn't a great QB, but he has considerable starting experience, is intelligent and can pick up an offense and didn't exactly have a great offense around him in Miami.

No, I wouldn't want either of them leading my team, but really, how many back-ups would you look at and say "Wow. I want that guy?" My guess is only a handful. We are talking backups here.

I was just kidding.

Arles · 03-09-2005, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by scooper

how many back-ups would you look at and say "Wow. I want that guy?"

Uhhh, Doug Pederson?

Franklinnoble · 03-09-2005, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dawgfan

I really am puzzled by why Art Shell hasn't gotten another shot - the man was 54-38 with the Raiders and had just 1 losing season.

I hate playing the race card, but this is what I'm talking about. It's bloody ridiculous. You've got teams like the 'Niners and Vikings hiring established deadbeats as head coaches. The Raiders hired Norv Turner. The Falcons and Jags hired unproven assistants (yes, they've worked out ok... but still). Re-treads like Schottenheimer get chances all the time.

But Art Shell can't get a job.

If I made a list of the white guys who've been hired since Art Shell's been fired, it'd be sick.

It's fucked up.

03-08-2005, 04:32 PM	#253
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	KFAN reporting that the Vikings are close to resigning Jermaine Wiggins. Last edited by mckerney : 03-08-2005 at 04:33 PM.

03-08-2005, 07:14 PM	#265
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	Local radio has confirmed that Smoot has signed with the Vikes. ----- Vikings bolster secondary with Smoot Last Update: 3/8/2005 6:17:09 PM KFAN dot com The Vikings and free-agent cornerback Fred Smoot agreed to terms on a six-year deal early Tuesday evening, the FAN has learned. Terms were not disclosed, but the deal is believed to be close to the six-year, $35 million contract the Vikings' other top cornerback, Antoine Winfield, signed last March. The team will introduce Smoot at an 11 a.m. press conference Wednesday. Smoot, a former second-round pick who played his first four seasons in Washington, rejected a contract offer from the Redskins last week that included a $10 million bonus. The 5-foot-11, 174-pound cornerback planned to continue his free-agent tour in Kansas City on Tuesday afternoon, but missed the flight while his agent, James Cook, ironed out details with Vikings officials at Winter Park. Smoot, considered one of the NFL's premier cover cornerbacks, has 182 tackles and 16 interceptions in 60 career games. He battled shoulder and back problems in 2004, but played in 15 games -- missing only the Redskins' victorious season finale against the Vikings. The 25-year-old Mississippi State product also has had chest and knee injuries, playing in all 16 games just once in his four-year career. Smott will start opposite Winfield in Minnesota, replacing restricted free agent Brian Williams. Last edited by sovereignstar : 03-08-2005 at 07:23 PM.

03-08-2005, 08:11 PM	#268
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	It's a good signing for the Vikes. It gives them two quality starting corners for the first time in years. If they do manage to trade for Darius, they should have a decent D. Their line is pretty strong, the linebackers are fast and athletic, and their secondary should be solid. If they get a good wideout in the draft (or sign an FA) to help fill the Randy Moss void, they should be in good shape. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

03-08-2005, 09:05 PM	#269
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	http://www.startribune.com/stories/510/5281325.html The Vikings have agreed to terms with free agent tight end Jermaine Wiggins on a five-year deal worth $7.3 million with a $1 million signing bonus, his agent, George Mavrikes, told the Star Tribune on Tuesday. With the Smoot signing, Brian Williams can either be moved to safety, or he'll be a solid nickle back. Last edited by mckerney : 03-08-2005 at 09:06 PM.

03-08-2005, 10:45 PM	#280
TLK Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Allen Park, MI	Garcia had been linked with Denver. Seattle is also possible after the Dilfer trade.... Last edited by TLK : 03-08-2005 at 10:48 PM.

03-08-2005, 04:10 PM	#252
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Buccaneers resign Joey Galloway. Darren Howard will sign his franchise tender. The Saints are still looking to trade him.

03-08-2005, 05:26 PM	#258
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Source: Vikings close to signing Smoot Last Update: 3/8/2005 4:14:50 PM KFAN dot com The Vikings and free-agent cornerback Fred Smoot are close to reaching an agreement on a lucrative multiyear contract, a Vikings source told the FAN on Tuesday afternoon. Smoot, a former second-round pick who played his first four seasons in Washington, rejected a contract offer from the Redskins last week that included a $10 million bonus. Vikings vice president of football operations Rob Brzezinski, coach Mike Tice and other team officials were ironing out contract details with Smoot and his agent, James Cook, in a closed-door meeting at Winter Park, the source said. Smoot was scheduled to continue his free-agent tour on a flight Tuesday afternoon. Smoot, considered one of the NFL's premier cover cornerbacks, has 182 tackles and 16 interceptions in 60 career games. He battled shoulder and back problems in 2004, but played in 15 games -- missing only the Redskins' victorious season finale against the Vikings. The 25-year-old Mississippi State product also has had chest and knee injuries, playing in all 16 games just once in his four-year career. In Minnesota, Smoot would play opposite Antoine Winfield, who signed a six-year, $35 million contract last March that included a $10.8 million bonus. As of Tuesday afternoon, the Vikings were roughly $31 million under the salary cap.

03-08-2005, 05:30 PM	#259
damnMikeBrown College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Cincinnati, OH	Glad the Bengals are making moves to improve.

03-08-2005, 08:00 PM	#267
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	I like Fred Smoot... and I'm not biased by the fact that he was my starting corner in FOF2K4 for a long time. I like him in the NFL, too I guess.

03-08-2005, 09:20 PM	#270
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	Vikings are busy today...

03-08-2005, 09:30 PM	#272
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	Any idea on who the Vikings kicker is going to be next year, mckerney? I don't want this to end up being another "wait until someone gets cut during training camp" type deal.

03-08-2005, 09:33 PM	#273
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	With luck, Mike Nugent.

03-08-2005, 10:13 PM	#276
TLK Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Allen Park, MI	John Clayton is reporting that Brad Johnson will end up with the Lions, possibly as early as tomorrow....

03-08-2005, 10:41 PM	#278
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Sigh. Looking like Bears and Jay Fiedler are gonna be united. Joy.

03-08-2005, 11:31 PM	#285
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Cardinals sign S Robert Griffith to a two year deal. Falcons sign P Toby Gowin and release P Chris Mohr Browns sign Trent Dilfer to a 4 year deal Patriots re-sign G Stephen Neal

03-09-2005, 12:35 AM	#287
Vinatieri for Prez College Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle	I like what the Vikes are doing this year. They have seriously upgraded the defense - CB, LB, DL (which they had to do), and even more so if they add a quality safety. They dumped the Moss headache, and will probably get a very promising WR in Mike Williams in the draft. Add a 3rd receiver in FA, and I think they will compete. They won't be as explosive, but won't need to with the improved defense.

03-09-2005, 02:17 AM	#289
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	Bah. The Vikings need a new head coach before they go anywhere. Tice is goddamned horrible.

03-09-2005, 02:19 AM	#290
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	dola... Seriously... I mean, Art Shell is begging to work as a head coach again, and Mike Tice still has a job.

03-09-2005, 06:21 AM	#291
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Cards ownership shelling out money + Good players actually wanting to play for the Cardinals=Me, Cardinal fan, falling into a coma in disbelief.

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