Werewolf CXII - The Red Death - GAME OVER - Page 6

EagleFan · 03-22-2010, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Entirely possible. But EF is passing his item to the Minister. So again, no reason not to tell us the name.

Yes there is wolfboy. If I tell you what it is and it is obvious what player uses it later it will out the minister. Only a wolf would want that known.

EagleFan · 03-22-2010, 09:21 PM

Okay, now I'm about to be stepping away. I keep reading further and responding.

hoopsguy · 03-22-2010, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Yes there is wolfboy. If I tell you what it is and it is obvious what player uses it later it will out the minister. Only a wolf would want that known.

As much as I like seeing BK called "wolfboy" on his first day back in the mix, I'm not sure how this is different depending on the name of the item.

If someone uses an item that takes someone out, and the description provided by the moderator points to a player, then the assumption will pretty quickly be "minister". The name of the item now, or lack thereof, probably isn't changing this assumption at a later date.

Barkeep49 · 03-22-2010, 09:34 PM

Yeah, that's the thing. What an item does is potent. The name? Who knows. That's why it's real curious that EF tells us what an item does but not the name.

Barkeep49 · 03-22-2010, 09:35 PM

DOLA - And if Hoops hadn't already I'd have pointed out the fallacy in EF's reason as to why he won't tell us the name.

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 09:35 PM

That's a big assumption. It isn't necessarily true that using the item will expose them. (Like Crazy Granny didn't reveal her back in Danny's game). This was either a bad assumption on EF's part or he was actually told it would reveal.

Barkeep49 · 03-22-2010, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

That's a big assumption. It isn't necessarily true that using the item will expose them. (Like Crazy Granny didn't reveal her back in Danny's game). This was either a bad assumption on EF's part or he was actually told it would reveal.

I don't follow you. We know what the item does. If an item pops-up that does what EF says, we're going to connect the dots.

Barkeep49 · 03-22-2010, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I don't follow you. We know what the item does. If an item pops-up that does what EF says, we're going to connect the dots.

Strike that. If an event happens that tracks with what EF says, we're going to connect the dots.

J23 · 03-22-2010, 09:41 PM

Well, the multiple use arguement of EF means we might not connect the dots, but that also makes me wonder how it could be obvious in what it does.

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I don't follow you. We know what the item does. If an item pops-up that does what EF says, we're going to connect the dots.

We'll know what it does if , like EF says, it kills someone. But we might not know it exposes the person that uses it. If EF uses it, sure it exposes him because he already told us he had it. But since he can give it to the minister without knowing who the minister is, the minister can use it and we still might not know who that minister is because the item might not expose the person on use. Capiche?

Barkeep49 · 03-22-2010, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

We'll know what it does if , like EF says, it kills someone. But we might not know it exposes the person that uses it. If EF uses it, sure it exposes him because he already told us he had it. But since he can give it to the minister without knowing who the minister is, the minister can use it and we still might not know who that minister is because the item might not expose the person on use. Capiche?

OK, far as it goes. How does knowing the item's name cause a problem in the scenario you just described?

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 09:50 PM

Not at all. wasn't even talking about that.

Barkeep49 · 03-22-2010, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Not at all. wasn't even talking about that.

Ahh. Cause that's pretty much all I've been talking about. I'm not able to keep track of complex stuff, so I tend to only think about things like players strange refusals to be completely forthcoming with a reveal when they've already revealed the most important information.

hoopsguy · 03-22-2010, 09:54 PM

Crimson, the problem with "exposing" is because EF named the person he would pass the item to instead of the name of the object being passed.

Anyway, I'm pretty unlikely to change my vote in the last ten minutes. Guess we'll find out soon enough if that is a good/bad decision ...

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 09:54 PM

Ah I think I see the problem. My post 257 even tho it came right after 256 was not answering it. I was answering EF and hoopsguy's talks about the item definitely outing the minister which I think is not necessarily true at all. I wasn't responding to you, barkeep. And yes I do agree that "why not use the name" unless of course there's something in revealing the name he was afraid to reveal on the offchance that he might be saved.

Barkeep49 · 03-22-2010, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Crimson, the problem with "exposing" is because EF named the person he would pass the item to instead of the name of the object being passed.

Anyway, I'm pretty unlikely to change my vote in the last ten minutes. Guess we'll find out soon enough if that is a good/bad decision ...

Yeah I was wondering if anyone would consider a vote change.

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Ahh. Cause that's pretty much all I've been talking about. I'm not able to keep track of complex stuff, so I tend to only think about things like players strange refusals to be completely forthcoming with a reveal when they've already revealed the most important information.

Well I've learned in this game that players can be stubborn and withhold stuff for no reason.

Barkeep49 · 03-22-2010, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Ah I think I see the problem. My post 257 even tho it came right after 256 was not answering it. I was answering EF and hoopsguy's talks about the item definitely outing the minister which I think is not necessarily true at all. I wasn't responding to you, barkeep. And yes I do agree that "why not use the name" unless of course there's something in revealing the name he was afraid to reveal on the offchance that he might be saved.

Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying. I just can't think of a reason that revealing the name of an item is more detrimental than reveal its powers. I'm hoping one of those nice people I see as currently active in this thread and who are voting for ntn will agree and shift a vote.

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Yeah I was wondering if anyone would consider a vote change.

I would but then people will shout WOLF at me. I'd rather get rid of someone under the radar like ntn. The weird thing about EF was, when he was threatening to reveal something I thought he was threatening to reveal an important villager role, but then it's an item.

KWhit · 03-22-2010, 09:57 PM

It's EF 7
NTN 6

Right?

Barkeep49 · 03-22-2010, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I would but then people will shout WOLF at me. I'd rather get rid of someone under the radar like ntn. The weird thing about EF was, when he was threatening to reveal something I thought he was threatening to reveal an important villager role, but then it's an item.

WOLF!

Autumn · 03-22-2010, 09:58 PM

isn't EF ahead?

KWhit · 03-22-2010, 09:58 PM

You guys are talking like it's tied.

KWhit · 03-22-2010, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

You guys are talking like it's tied.

BK and CF, that is...

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

WOLF!

I can't hear you inside my house of bricks.

Autumn · 03-22-2010, 09:58 PM

I agree EF is suspicious, but I tend to think this is more stubborn villager. I'm not keen on switching, but will if it's a tie.

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

You guys are talking like it's tied.

I know it's 7-6. If I moved my vote to ntn, it's 7-7 which is no good.

Barkeep49 · 03-22-2010, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

BK and CF, that is...

You're right. I somehow didn't register that your vote came after the last vote count posted.

KWhit · 03-22-2010, 09:59 PM

I believe that EF is ahead by one.

Abe Sargent · 03-22-2010, 09:59 PM

CF are you named after the DC character?

Abe Sargent · 03-22-2010, 09:59 PM

Time check

KWhit · 03-22-2010, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

You're right. I somehow didn't register that your vote came after the last vote count posted.

Jeez. You had me panicked there for a sec. I didn't want a tie.

Abe Sargent · 03-22-2010, 10:00 PM

That is time

Abe Sargent · 03-22-2010, 10:00 PM

No votes after now will count

Abe Sargent · 03-22-2010, 10:00 PM

This is a close one, Im going to have to go back and do some math. In teh meantime, if I can get public verification regarding the vote please...

CrimsonFox · 03-22-2010, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

CF are you named after the DC character?

No, I wasn't even aware of one. Not really into comics books much.

Abe Sargent · 03-22-2010, 10:02 PM

Crimson Fox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Abe Sargent · 03-22-2010, 10:02 PM

The Crimson Fox:

EagleFan · 03-22-2010, 10:02 PM

Good luck vilage. Day one goes to the wolves I hope you learned something from the day at least.

Autumn · 03-22-2010, 10:03 PM

Odd that she's not wearing red.

Autumn · 03-22-2010, 10:03 PM

Sounds like there may be X factors in the vote results.

Barkeep49 · 03-22-2010, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

No, I wasn't even aware of one. Not really into comics books much.

While we're waiting for our esteemed GM to finish his nonlinear alegbra, care to share the story of your name?

Abe Sargent · 03-22-2010, 10:09 PM

As the day concludes, you meet by the shores of the famous Mississippi. After some discussion, you narrow the candidates down to two major ones, and despite the push and pull, ultimately you decide to select EagleFan.

The Sacred Flame is ignited as a column brightly against the twilight sky. Prismatic flares seem to kiss the sky as the multivaried flames crackle with an odd spectral pop. You get the feeling that it is not quite there. Like most of it has manifested. but not all of it, as the spiritual part of the Sacred Flame keeps itself hidden away must like man's soul.

EagleFan moves towards the Flame, and enters. The Holy Fire envelops his body, baring forth his spirit. His body is destroyed, but with his spirit laid bare, you can tell, just before he departs this plane, that he was, in fact, a Lightbringer.

You check his things and confiscate a Colt Peacemaker as evidence. He appears to have been a normal Lightbringer, with no special abilities.

Day One Has Ended. Night One Actions must be submitted by ONE AM EST.

EagleFan · 03-22-2010, 10:11 PM

good luck village

J23 · 03-22-2010, 10:12 PM

sorry EF

hoopsguy · 03-22-2010, 10:13 PM

Well, I guess that pretty much confirms that a "pass" option is not happening pre-lynch.

In the post-game I'm going to be pretty interested to hear what the description was for the item that locked EF in on a "kill another player".

Thomkal · 03-22-2010, 10:14 PM

well that wasn't a good start.

J23 · 03-22-2010, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

In the post-game I'm going to be pretty interested to hear what the description was for the item that locked EF in on a "kill another player".

If it had anything attached to it to say it could be used at any time, then I think it might be fairly obvious. I'm not sure what the multiple uses thing was about though.

Abe Sargent · 03-22-2010, 10:19 PM

I'm not looking for a wife. Stop sending me spam

Autumn · 03-22-2010, 10:24 PM

Odd that he didn't try sending it to the sheriff.

However, that was pretty much what I expected. I didn't get a wolf vibe from EF, just one of those stubborn villager things.

I'm likely to go NTN again just for the vote history, but we'll see what this night brings.

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03-22-2010, 09:59 PM	#281
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03-22-2010, 10:00 PM	#283
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03-22-2010, 10:00 PM	#284
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03-22-2010, 10:00 PM	#285
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	This is a close one, Im going to have to go back and do some math. In teh meantime, if I can get public verification regarding the vote please... __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

03-22-2010, 09:21 PM	#252
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Okay, now I'm about to be stepping away. I keep reading further and responding.

03-22-2010, 09:34 PM	#254
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Yeah, that's the thing. What an item does is potent. The name? Who knows. That's why it's real curious that EF tells us what an item does but not the name.

03-22-2010, 09:35 PM	#255
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	DOLA - And if Hoops hadn't already I'd have pointed out the fallacy in EF's reason as to why he won't tell us the name.

03-22-2010, 09:35 PM	#256
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	That's a big assumption. It isn't necessarily true that using the item will expose them. (Like Crazy Granny didn't reveal her back in Danny's game). This was either a bad assumption on EF's part or he was actually told it would reveal.

03-22-2010, 09:41 PM	#259
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	Well, the multiple use arguement of EF means we might not connect the dots, but that also makes me wonder how it could be obvious in what it does.

03-22-2010, 09:50 PM	#262
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Not at all. wasn't even talking about that.

03-22-2010, 09:54 PM	#264
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Crimson, the problem with "exposing" is because EF named the person he would pass the item to instead of the name of the object being passed. Anyway, I'm pretty unlikely to change my vote in the last ten minutes. Guess we'll find out soon enough if that is a good/bad decision ...

03-22-2010, 09:54 PM	#265
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Ah I think I see the problem. My post 257 even tho it came right after 256 was not answering it. I was answering EF and hoopsguy's talks about the item definitely outing the minister which I think is not necessarily true at all. I wasn't responding to you, barkeep. And yes I do agree that "why not use the name" unless of course there's something in revealing the name he was afraid to reveal on the offchance that he might be saved.

03-22-2010, 09:57 PM	#270
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	It's EF 7 NTN 6 Right?

03-22-2010, 09:58 PM	#272
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	isn't EF ahead?

03-22-2010, 09:58 PM	#273
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	You guys are talking like it's tied.

03-22-2010, 09:58 PM	#276
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I agree EF is suspicious, but I tend to think this is more stubborn villager. I'm not keen on switching, but will if it's a tie.

03-22-2010, 09:59 PM	#279
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	I believe that EF is ahead by one.

03-22-2010, 10:02 PM	#287
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Crimson Fox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

03-22-2010, 10:02 PM	#288
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	The Crimson Fox: __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

03-22-2010, 10:02 PM	#289
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Good luck vilage. Day one goes to the wolves I hope you learned something from the day at least.

03-22-2010, 10:03 PM	#290
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Odd that she's not wearing red.

03-22-2010, 10:03 PM	#291
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Sounds like there may be X factors in the vote results.

03-22-2010, 10:09 PM	#293
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	As the day concludes, you meet by the shores of the famous Mississippi. After some discussion, you narrow the candidates down to two major ones, and despite the push and pull, ultimately you decide to select EagleFan. The Sacred Flame is ignited as a column brightly against the twilight sky. Prismatic flares seem to kiss the sky as the multivaried flames crackle with an odd spectral pop. You get the feeling that it is not quite there. Like most of it has manifested. but not all of it, as the spiritual part of the Sacred Flame keeps itself hidden away must like man's soul. EagleFan moves towards the Flame, and enters. The Holy Fire envelops his body, baring forth his spirit. His body is destroyed, but with his spirit laid bare, you can tell, just before he departs this plane, that he was, in fact, a Lightbringer. You check his things and confiscate a Colt Peacemaker as evidence. He appears to have been a normal Lightbringer, with no special abilities. Day One Has Ended. Night One Actions must be submitted by ONE AM EST. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

03-22-2010, 10:11 PM	#294
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	good luck village

03-22-2010, 10:12 PM	#295
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	sorry EF

03-22-2010, 10:13 PM	#296
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Well, I guess that pretty much confirms that a "pass" option is not happening pre-lynch. In the post-game I'm going to be pretty interested to hear what the description was for the item that locked EF in on a "kill another player".

03-22-2010, 10:14 PM	#297
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	well that wasn't a good start.

03-22-2010, 10:19 PM	#299
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	I'm not looking for a wife. Stop sending me spam __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

03-22-2010, 10:24 PM	#300
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Odd that he didn't try sending it to the sheriff. However, that was pretty much what I expected. I didn't get a wolf vibe from EF, just one of those stubborn villager things. I'm likely to go NTN again just for the vote history, but we'll see what this night brings.

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