Werewolf: Hunt for Necromancers - GAME OVER! Post #3469

[Barkeep49]

I cannot do this right now but are there any players we have not heard from?

[Passacaglia]

How would we have a statement to test against? Aren't these orders done over PM?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

How would we have a statement to test against? Aren't these orders done over PM?

Yes but if path orders the bodyguard to protect you tonight, if someone claims to be the bodyguard they can prove it by explaining that path order him to protect you. Path then confirms that this was his order and we have verified the bg.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Ok so I think this is pretty clear: path should definitely issue a protection order tonight. In this way if someone later claims to be the guard we have a statement to test against. If we get a new pharoh same deal, on the first night of that pharoh's rule he issues a protect order so we have something to verify a statement from the elite guard.

What if the EG knows something path doesn't and needs to guard elsewhere?

-Anxiety

[Barkeep49]

Does the EG know something now? What if path knows something the EG doesn't? I agree that this plan has more of a potential downside in days to come, but for tonight, I can't imagine that the EG knows too much and so letting path do it seems like the way to go.

[Lathum]

VOTE TANGLEWOOD

I always seem to go for him early.

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Schmidty is like a camel. He drinks it all one night in early march, and then can call upon it at will over the year and be drunk in a second. Quite a useful skill really

In Russia, Camel rides YOU!

[SnDvls]

there is a crap load of crap for just being day 1.

my thoughts will follow....got to reread rules now

[path12]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Does the EG know something now? What if path knows something the EG doesn't? I agree that this plan has more of a potential downside in days to come, but for tonight, I can't imagine that the EG knows too much and so letting path do it seems like the way to go.

I can verify that I have no knowledge of anybody else's role.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

In Russia, Camel rides YOU!

It's in Soviet Russia, Komrade!

[SnDvls]

HOOPS -
question RE: - Pharoah: duke role, keeps it if he lynches a necromancer.
Can only be day lynched if all three members of the ruling class are all in faction voting for him. Can issue a protet order to Elite Guard if desired

does this mean that if the 3 ruling class vote for path and the majority vote for someone else that there would be 2 lynches? Or that all three have to vote for him and a majority?

[Vince]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Vote Vince

He chose WoW over WW. Insanity. And as everyone knows, necromancers are insane.

For the record, I chose WoW over chatting with Drunk Schmidty

I think this game is going to be a bit of a change for me -- instead of spending craploads of time analyzing everything, I believe I'm just going to be a bit more chill. I don't have as much free time as I have for previous WW games (as evidenced by my lack of participation of late.

That being said, I think Alan T is right on -- if/since the bad guys don't know each other, we've got the upper hand already in simple numbers, and there will probably be more bad guys around.

[SnDvls]

here's my guess on bad guy numbers.

with 22 players I would say there are at least 5 bad guys to start w/ the ability to bring over/convert another. there are just too many roles even if some aren't in game to not start w/ at least 5. just MHO

[hoopsguy]

No, the majority must still vote to lynch the Pharoah. However, he cannot be lynched without the three ruling class members being part of that majority.

So there would only be one lynch on that day (or on any day).

[SnDvls]

cool thanks

[SnDvls]

vote Bek

first day vote hasn't checked in

[hoopsguy]

D'oh - just realized that I have been butchering the spelling of the Egyptian leader.

Pharaoh. While I realize that I'm not going to get every aspect of the game to dovetail with ancient Egyptian culture, perhaps I could spell the name of the ruler correctly? I = dumbass.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

D'oh - just realized that I have been butchering the spelling of the Egyptian leader.

Pharaoh. While I realize that I'm not going to get every aspect of the game to dovetail with ancient Egyptian culture, perhaps I could spell the name of the ruler correctly? I = dumbass.

Will I get smited somehow at night if I agree with you?? just kidding!

[hoopsguy]

Nah, I'll let your fellow players take care of smiting you.

Doesn't mean I won't put a bounty on your head to incent the other players to smite you at night

[Barkeep49]

From my purusual of the list it seems like Bek is the only one who hasn't checked in. As such I would be leaning towards voting for him as well.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

there is a crap load of crap for just being day 1.

my thoughts will follow....got to reread rules now

While there are a lot of posts I think we've had some useful discussion, especially for a Day 1.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

While there are a lot of posts I think we've had some useful discussion, especially for a Day 1.

oh I agree, just a lot of crap thrown in between that makes it hard to sort through.

[SnDvls]

dola - also a lot or posts too for day one was my other point.

[SnDvls]

oops should say a lot of posts

[Alan T]

My current vote talley is:

St. cronin - Blade (139), Anxiety (178), Schmidty (200), Chubby (227)
Schmidty - St. Cronin (195)
Bulletsponge - Tyrith (196)
tyrith - vince (209)
Vince - Coffee Warlord (220)
Dubb93 - Saldana (248)
Tanglewood - Lathum (256)
Bek - Sndvls (266)


St. Cronin has 4 votes with 7 other people having 1 vote.

Without having any idea where to place my vote I will go ahead and vote for the first person to start a run on St. Cronin. Day 1 runs without a night 0 always feel weird to me anyways.

Vote Anxiety

[kingfc22]

I have no clue on who to vote for. So I am going to go with Tyrith. He was such a good bad guy in my WW game and I hate for him to fool us in this one.

Vote TYRITH

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Alan T

My current vote talley is:

St. cronin - Blade (139), Anxiety (178), Schmidty (200), Chubby (227)
Schmidty - St. Cronin (195)
Bulletsponge - Tyrith (196)
tyrith - vince (209)
Vince - Coffee Warlord (220)
Dubb93 - Saldana (248)
Tanglewood - Lathum (256)
Bek - Sndvls (266)


St. Cronin has 4 votes with 7 other people having 1 vote.

Without having any idea where to place my vote I will go ahead and vote for the first person to start a run on St. Cronin. Day 1 runs without a night 0 always feel weird to me anyways.

Vote Anxiety

I actually like your thinking on this.

1st vote on day one is a throw away.
2nd sometimes could be the same
3rd is usually the pile one (in this case it seems to be the retalatiory (??) vote)
4th is usually the clincher and lyncher (in this case a new player reacting to a poorly laid out St. C joke)

I'm going to keep my eye on this as admiditally my vote is a wast and throw away.

[Passacaglia]

I'm going to vote Bek, too. It's been a looong Day 1, encompassing weekend and weekday. If he shows up, and I sign on again before the deadline, I will take my vote off him.

VOTE BEK

[Barkeep49]

Both Chubby and Schmidty's vote are understandable retaliations. I would agree of the 4, at least on the surface, Anxiety is the most suspicous. Though I am still inclined to go with Bek simply because quiet = bad for the villagers.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Both Chubby and Schmidty's vote are understandable retaliations. I would agree of the 4, at least on the surface, Anxiety is the most suspicous. Though I am still inclined to go with Bek simply because quiet = bad for the villagers.

which is the same place I'm at as well.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Alan T

My current vote talley is:

St. cronin - Blade (139), Anxiety (178), Schmidty (200), Chubby (227)
Schmidty - St. Cronin (195)
Bulletsponge - Tyrith (196)
tyrith - vince (209)
Vince - Coffee Warlord (220)
Dubb93 - Saldana (248)
Tanglewood - Lathum (256)
Bek - Sndvls (266)


St. Cronin has 4 votes with 7 other people having 1 vote.

Without having any idea where to place my vote I will go ahead and vote for the first person to start a run on St. Cronin. Day 1 runs without a night 0 always feel weird to me anyways.

Vote Anxiety

Then why go after me? I voted in direct retaliation for st. cronin acting odd, and I was the first to vote cronin. When I voted, there was no pile.

-Anxiety

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Then why go after me? I voted in direct retaliation for st. cronin acting odd, and I was the first to vote cronin. When I voted, there was no pile.

-Anxiety

Its a day 1 vote, and I have no information on anyone. You wern't the first to vote for him however, Blade was. you were #2 Of the three later votes, you were the only one I didn't see any personal conflict reason to vote there.

Either way, I'm not making a huge deal out of this, I find your defense more interesting than the vote itself though Its a day one vote and I just went for what to me felt like the fishiest day 1 behavior is all.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

EEK! well if thats the case im voting for TYRITH

Try and re-do it like this:

VOTE TYRITH

NOTE, THIS IS NOT MY VOTE..mine was cast long ago

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

and I was the first to vote cronin. When I voted, there was no pile.

What alan said...you were not the first to vote cronin, and you started the pile...

[Vince]

Ok, with not much else to go on after day one (though we did get some good discussion), my Tyrith vote is pretty weak. I'm going to switch over to Bek, as I like the "quiet = bad for the villagers" logic more than just picking someone at random. And I'm heading out to work here pretty soon, so that should be it from me until this evening.

Unvote Tyrith
Vote Bek

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Vince

Ok, with not much else to go on after day one (though we did get some good discussion), my Tyrith vote is pretty weak. I'm going to switch over to Bek, as I like the "quiet = bad for the villagers" logic more than just picking someone at random. And I'm heading out to work here pretty soon, so that should be it from me until this evening.

Unvote Tyrith
Vote Bek

This may sound funny. But this may be the only day where not talking a lot helps us. They dont know each other yet, therefore talking a lot might give them the same reads were trying to find. Be careful what you wish for, as if they all figure each other out we could be in a heap of trouble if i understand the night kill mechanic.

[Passacaglia]

But, by that argument, would it behoove a necromancer to start a pile, like Anxiety did?

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Its a day 1 vote, and I have no information on anyone. You wern't the first to vote for him however, Blade was. you were #2 Of the three later votes, you were the only one I didn't see any personal conflict reason to vote there.

Either way, I'm not making a huge deal out of this, I find your defense more interesting than the vote itself though Its a day one vote and I just went for what to me felt like the fishiest day 1 behavior is all.

I thought st. cronin was the fishiest.

Why wouldn't I defend myself?

I didn;t realize I wasn;t first, my bad.

-Anxiety

[Vince]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

This may sound funny. But this may be the only day where not talking a lot helps us. They dont know each other yet, therefore talking a lot might give them the same reads were trying to find. Be careful what you wish for, as if they all figure each other out we could be in a heap of trouble if i understand the night kill mechanic.

That makes some sense, but I still am of the opinion that the more information there is out there, the better off the "villagers" are.

Also, though I don't believe this is the case, that post could very well be looked at as a defense of Bek, perhaps by another Necromancer. Again, I don't think this is the case, but it ran through my mind when I read it for the first time, so I thought I'd throw it out there.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

But, by that argument, would it behoove a necromancer to start a pile, like Anxiety did?

It might. Remember, they have no idea who each other are, so a spread out vote prob. suites them best. So start a pile and look like a villager(though im focusing more on the fact in the face of evidence pointing out he voted after me he still claimed to vote first)

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Vince

That makes some sense, but I still am of the opinion that the more information there is out there, the better off the "villagers" are.

Also, though I don't believe this is the case, that post could very well be looked at as a defense of Bek, perhaps by another Necromancer. Again, I don't think this is the case, but it ran through my mind when I read it for the first time, so I thought I'd throw it out there.

What motive could he have to defend Bek, though? The necromancers don't know each other -- that's the whole crux of the argument!

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

It might. Remember, they have no idea who each other are, so a spread out vote prob. suites them best. So start a pile and look like a villager(though im focusing more on the fact in the face of evidence pointing out he voted after me he still claimed to vote first)

I think you're right, but I have a feeling we're helping the necromancers out here. My inclination, though, is that for the most part, on Day 1 the necromancers don't care much who we vote for, as long as it's not a fellow necromancer -- although, in this case, with the necromancers not knowing each other, they REALLY don't care.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Vince

That makes some sense, but I still am of the opinion that the more information there is out there, the better off the "villagers" are.

Also, though I don't believe this is the case, that post could very well be looked at as a defense of Bek, perhaps by another Necromancer. Again, I don't think this is the case, but it ran through my mind when I read it for the first time, so I thought I'd throw it out there.

I just remember last time bek played he was just as quiet and was clean..so im not trying to throw him under the bus quite yet. Defense, somewhat. If you want to kill him i wont try to stop you though by moving my vote around to anyone but anxiety now.

[Alan T]

Its day 1, Im guessing usually someone who doesn't even show up at all to say hi once the game starts has the same percentage of being bad as any of the rest of us. Removing someone who is not going to participate however is a good thing since inactive players don't help our side any either. I tend to at least try to give someone 1 day before kicking them. never know what might have happened. some emergency or whatever.

In this game the bad guys don't know who each other are, so I doubt you will see any maneuvering to save anyone or such. There was no night 0 for seer activity, so pretty much all of us have a 4/21, 5/21 or 6/21 whatever the bad guy total is of being correct with our guess.

So maybe a bad guy would want to hide their vote on day 1? Arguably you could "hide" a vote by being one of the 10 people voting for someone entirely different. or you could "hide" your vote by being in a group of people to not stick out.

In the end, I really don't know what we will understand immediately after the first lynch. Likely will take at least 1 or 2 night actions for either side to start forming circles of trust so to speak.

Thats why I said I think you're making a bigger deal out of it than it should be Anxiety Unless someone just slips up and makes a mistake, usually day 1 isn't rocket science. Thats why I said your reaction was more interesting than your vote was to me.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Does the EG know something now? What if path knows something the EG doesn't? I agree that this plan has more of a potential downside in days to come, but for tonight, I can't imagine that the EG knows too much and so letting path do it seems like the way to go.

I thought I got the impression some roles could be combined? So, for example, an Elite Guard Brother or an Elite Guard Soothsayer may know more. Obviously, if path does know more, why not use it, but if he is just taking a shot in the dark, why take the chance?

-Anxiety

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I thought I got the impression some roles could be combined? So, for example, an Elite Guard Brother or an Elite Guard Soothsayer may know more. Obviously, if path does know more, why not use it, but if he is just taking a shot in the dark, why take the chance?

-Anxiety

The logic is that then when the elite guard reveals down the road and says who he guarded each night, path can confirm that the night 0 is the same as the order issued. On night 1, its a seemingly innocent way to provide a check later in the game against a fake role reveal. I doubt either path or the EG know who to guard yet, so path doing it tonight seems a fairly high gain low loss move to me.

[Abe Sargent]

I understand the logic. Remember there are possibly multiple EGs, so that's not as good a check as it might otherwise be.

-Anxiety

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I understand the logic. Remember there are possibly multiple EGs, so that's not as good a check as it might otherwise be.

-Anxiety

I highly doubt we have multiple EGs...especially with the avatar a possible role based on player choice. Id bet money against it in my mind, as i feel the whole multiple thing applies to some of the other roles like favoured by the gods and what not. I might be wrong, but im playing under the assumption we have 1 EG this game

[Blade6119]

dola, pharoh can issue orders to THE EG, not one of the EGs

[Qwikshot]

What is 9pm CST in Eastern Standard Time?

I think I always ask this?

I doubt there are multiple EGs, but I want an EKG, since I think this is going to be a heart pounding game...(badump dump dump)

I hate day one votes.