NFL Draft Thread 2011 - Page 6

jbergey22 · 04-29-2011, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ShaneTheMaster

I was extatic before our first pick knowing we were picking between Jordan and Ingram.. now I am on cloud 9, since we got both.

Excellent draft so far. Hopefully they decide to give one of their backs more than 10 carries a game now. For fantasy purposes of course

jbergey22 · 04-29-2011, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rowech

I will stand by this statement in five years. He will be the best QB of the draft.

Please.

The biggest FSU fan on the board cant even stand him.

I really hope you are right though.

DeToxRox · 04-29-2011, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

Suh and Fairley is a scary prospect to have to face twice a year. If only they had someone on the other side to keep Stafford upright...

I am pretty pleased with the Packers pick. Got a guy that could potentially team up with Bulaga and be the new Clifton/Tauscher combo we have been accustomed to for the last 10 years. Protect QB1 is priority one

Lions were in the top 5 in pass attempts and 6th in the NFL in fewest sacks allowed. OL couldn't run block but our pass blocking being bad is a misnomer.

Peregrine · 04-29-2011, 01:34 AM

Really happy with the Redskins picking up an extra second round pick and with Ryan Kerrigan - we really need a boost to our pass rushing and having someone opposite Orakpo will be great. Now to address our offense in round 2.

jbergey22 · 04-29-2011, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

On the bright side, maybe Ponder will win the starting job and lead the Vikings to a season that will let them draft Andrew Luck next year. :/

Not a far fetched plan.

Arles · 04-29-2011, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

I did notice that both division teams that drafted after Detroit took offensive linemen. Perhaps they would have anyway, but it does seem line getting the best blocking possible just became more of a concern in a certain division.

Tauscher went on IR and may not play again and Clifton has been massively injury-plagued the past 2-3 seasons. For the Packers not to go tackle would have been a huge mistake. Outside of depth on the OL, OLB and maybe another DE, the team doesn't have a ton of needs.

I would have been angry if they would have selected Mark "Toby Gerhart/Marion Barber" Ingram instead of a quality LT/RT at the end of the round. Don't forget that GB is getting like 6-8 quality players back from IR as well (Finley, Barnett, Grant, Burnett, Neal, Jones, Chillar, ...). If they can add a decent OLB pass rusher, another DL and maybe a RB in the middle rounds, I'll be pretty happy with this draft. They just badly needed a tackle of the future to pair up with Bulaga and Sherrod looks like a great fit.

stevew · 04-29-2011, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I'm pretty happy with the Steelers' pick of Cameron Heyward. He's not a real sexy pick, but he fills a need and went around where he was projected.

Glad we didn't reach for a CB or OL here.

I'd love to see DT Jurrell Casey or Marvin Austin available at the end of round 2 for us.

I didn't realize he was Ironhead's kid. I hope he doesn't develop weight issues.

Balldog · 04-29-2011, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Lions were in the top 5 in pass attempts and 6th in the NFL in fewest sacks allowed. OL couldn't run block but our pass blocking being bad is a misnomer.

Exactly. That said I'd still like to see them upgrade, to support the running game. That would help Stafford more than another WR, in my opinion.

Easy Mac · 04-29-2011, 08:48 AM

So the first 4 qbs taken were Newton, Locker, Gabbert and Ponder.

I'm hoping Vegas will give me odds that the next 4 taken will have better careers than the first 4. I mean, is there really that much of a difference compared to Mallett, Kaepernick, Stanzi and Dalton?

JonInMiddleGA · 04-29-2011, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

I mean, is there really that much of a difference compared to Mallett, Kaepernick, Stanzi and Dalton?

Yeah, probably. Not a gigantic one, but that's a pretty good drop off as a group IMO. In the 2nd four I figure there's at least two that'll never start a regular season NFL game. I'm pretty sure at least 3 of the first 4 will get a legitimate start or two before their careers end & would have done so even if they were drafted lower.

Blackadar · 04-29-2011, 09:13 AM

Very interesting 1st round. Observations on each pick:

1. Cam Newton, Carolina - huge boom or bust on this guy (as we've discussed). Nothing more needs to be said.

2. Von Miller, Denver - Potentially awesome player, but Denver really needed DL help. I'm not sure how effective he'll be when the DL can't keep big linemen from getting to him.

3. Dareus, Buffalo - Denver's loss is Buffalo's gain. Buffalo needed a stud DT and got the best one in the draft.

4. Green, Cincy - Yeah, but who's going to throw him the ball?

5. Peterson, Arizona - Perhaps the best player in the draft. Nice pickup.

6. Jones, Falcons - really? You give up virtually your entire draft this year and next year for a WR with suspect hands? I think this one is going to haunt them for a few years. Even if he pans out, it still hurts them.

7. Smith, 49ers - Solid, but a bit surprising with other guys still on the board.

8. Locker, Titans - I'm not overly fond of this kid's accuracy. Good environment for him, though. He can learn behind Kerry Collins for a year before taking over the helm.

9. Smith, Dallas - No brainer to keep Romo upright.

10. Gabbert, Jags - Huh? WTF? Huge needs at D with Fairley and Prince on the board and you grab the most overrated QB in the draft? I know Gerrard is 33, but the guy had a 90 rating last year. Worst pick in the first round by far.

11. Watt, Houston - Solid pickup for need, but the guy is a bit of a reach at this point in the draft.

12. Ponder, Vikings - Seriously? Wow. He carried a mid-2nd round grade by virtually everyone...except the Vikes, apparently. The Vikes must have figured that his senior year was hampered by that arm injury. His junior campaign (68.8% completion ratio, 147 QB rating) was pretty spectacular.

13. Fairley, Lions - I wouldn't want to be a QB or RB in the NFC North and having to face the Lions twice a year. That D-Line is incredible now. But I'm really, really surprised they passed on Prince.

14. Quinn, Rams - Excellent pick. One of the BPAs and a massive need.

15. Pouncey, Dolphins - Mike should thank Maurkice for getting chosen this high. The problem is that Mike isn't as good as Maurkice.

16. Kerrigan, Redskins - Huge motor, good character and a position of need for the 'Skins. Solid.

17. Solder, Patriots - Very surprising with Cam Jordan still on the board and Solder not being the most NFL-ready guy. Still, they had to get a tackle given their current guys are FAs.

18. Liuget, Chargers - I like this kid. Should fit well with SD's scheme, even if this wasn't a position of need.

19. Amukamara, NYG - Best Player Available. Surprised someone didn't trade up to get him.

20. Clayborne, TB - Great kid, great story, but can he shed blocks in the NFL with that shoulder? To be determined...

21. Taylor, Cleveland - The guy is a 3-4 DT and the D-Coordinator is a 4-3 guy. Cleveland doesn't have the DEs for a 3-4, so I can't quite figure this one out.

22. Castonzo, Indy - Perhaps my favorite pick in the 1st round. The guy is NFL-ready and can protect Peyton Manning. Massive value at 22.

23. Watkins, Philly - Er...not my favorite pick. I like the guy ok, but he was a 2nd round grade who just kept sneaking up draft boards. He's 26, Philly didn't need a G and there were better OLs out there.

24. Jordan, Saints - Love this pick. Cam Jordan would have been a steal at 15. Huge need and the Saints got perhaps the best DE out there.

25. Carpenter, Seattle - With Carimi and Sherrod still on the board? Hmmm...

26. Baldwin, KC - A reach in a position of need. But even if they can score, they won't be able to get opposing teams off the field with problems at DT and LB.

27. Smith, Ravens - Huge boom/bust pick...2nd only to Cam Newton in the first round. The guy has skills, but he's a walking attitude problem.

28. Ingram, Saints - Not so fond what it took to get this pick, but I guess the Saints needed a RB. I think there will be good value in RBs at the back half of the 2nd round, but if this is their guy, they had to get him.

29 - Carimi, Bears - No brainer given how often Jay Cutler kissed Soldier Field last year.

30. Wilkerson, Jets - He ain't a full time NT, but he should be able to move around in Ryan's system. Showed steady improvement in college.

31. Heyward, Steelers - They love this guy, because they had the card filled out before the Jets picked. And with Smith and Kiesel over 30, they needed someone opposite Ziggy Hood. But could they really afford to pass up on a CB or OT? History shows never to question the Steelers and their first round picks.

32. Sherrod, GB - Must have loved it when Pittsburgh passed on him, though I think they would have rather had Heyward.

Questions for Round 2:

Who the hell is going to choose Bowers? How far can that guy slip? Man, his knee must be seriously screwed up...

Who gets Mallett and how far does he slip? Perhaps the best-skilled thrower in the draft is still out there. Cincy, perhaps?

When does a massive run on CBs (Harris, Ras-I, Williams, etc.) start? Who trades up to get one of those guys?

When does a massive run on WRs start? There's a ton of guys with 2nd/3rd round grades out there right now. Big play-makers available at a discount!

gstelmack · 04-29-2011, 09:14 AM

So I listened to this via NFL.com streaming last night while working on the next version of the UtilitySuite. That meant I didn't have to get annoyed at ruining the surprise; frankly, I just want to know who the picks are, I could care less about needing to wait for them to get "announced".

Happy New England got an OT, not surprised they traded #28 for a second round pick (which they prefer massively over firsts) and a first next year (which they'll roll into an extra second next year and a first the following season).

I really, really, really hope Carolina sees something in Newton and didn't just pick him to put butts in the seats. I want to be wrong, but I just don't see him as a #1 overall team leader who is going to pick this team up and carry them back to the playoffs. Hope this works out for them...

Coffee Warlord · 04-29-2011, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by remper

I would blame the Bears front office immediately without knowing any details hehe

And not surprisingly, you'da been right. Apparently, the deal was done, Ravens called it into the NFL, the Bears didn't, so it didn't happen.

(Ironically, incompetence saved the Bears their 4th rounder - they were trading up to get Carimi, who fell to them anyway).

Swaggs · 04-29-2011, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

And not surprisingly, you'da been right. Apparently, the deal was done, Ravens called it into the NFL, the Bears didn't, so it didn't happen.

(Ironically, incompetence saved the Bears their 4th rounder - they were trading up to get Carimi, who fell to them anyway).

According to Peter King, the Bears wanted to trade up to get Carimi (who they ended up getting at 29) and the Ravens were hoping that Smith would fall to them if they traded down (and they ended up taking him after their skipped pick). The deal was to swap #1s and the Ravens' would get a 4th rounder.

Apparently, the Ravens' owner is really pissed and thinks the Bears should surrender their 4th rounder anyway. Will be interesting to see if Angelo will do anything to "compensate" the Ravens -- I wouldn't, but some may see it as the right thing to do.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 04-29-2011, 09:28 AM

The question is, does not giving up the 4th impair his ability to make trades in the future? Not sure that is does, as teams are stupid, but it could.

Coffee Warlord · 04-29-2011, 09:29 AM

Rumors are circling that the Bears were on the phone with Carimi's agent, who basically let slip the Chiefs were not going to draft Carimi like the Bears thought (prompting the trade originally). So they just 'accidentally' forgot to call in the trade to the front office.

Take it with a grain of salt. And the old adage of 'never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence' fits real well, especially with Angelo.

Noop · 04-29-2011, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Please.

The biggest FSU fan on the board cant even stand him.

I really hope you are right though.

I don't hate Ponder. I think he is a high character guy but I got very frustrated by him numerous times while he was at Florida State. He can be successful especially since you guys have AD. However a good running game without the ability to throw it deep allows the defense to clamp down.

DaddyTorgo · 04-29-2011, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

So I listened to this via NFL.com streaming last night while working on the next version of the UtilitySuite. That meant I didn't have to get annoyed at ruining the surprise; frankly, I just want to know who the picks are, I could care less about needing to wait for them to get "announced".

Happy New England got an OT, not surprised they traded #28 for a second round pick (which they prefer massively over firsts) and a first next year (which they'll roll into an extra second next year and a first the following season).

I really, really, really hope Carolina sees something in Newton and didn't just pick him to put butts in the seats. I want to be wrong, but I just don't see him as a #1 overall team leader who is going to pick this team up and carry them back to the playoffs. Hope this works out for them...

The homer in me would have rather had Castanzo (BC-guy) rather than Solder.

Doug5984 · 04-29-2011, 10:03 AM

I'm very happy with the Saints draft- Jordan at 24, and then I'm happy with the trade for Ingram.

I hope Bush returns, I've been one of his biggest supporters but if he doesn't take a pay cut then we will do just fine without him (hell we have for half the time he's been here and been hurt). I don't think the Ingram pick affects his role on the team at all, it takes a couple touches away from Pierre- but really it puts Ivory back as the # 4 guy (maybe 5 depending on how Lynell Hamilton looks in TC)

Suburban Rhythm · 04-29-2011, 10:34 AM

Random thoughts

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Originally Posted by Blackadar

Very interesting 1st round. Observations on each pick:

6. Jones, Falcons - really? You give up virtually your entire draft this year and next year for a WR with suspect hands? I think this one is going to haunt them for a few years. Even if he pans out, it still hurts them.

Agree. They game up alot, and even if he pans out, is the plan to outscore everyone? That D got torched in the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by Blackadar

15. Pouncey, Dolphins - Mike should thank Maurkice for getting chosen this high. The problem is that Mike isn't as good as Maurkice.

Sporting News had quotes from anonymous scouts. One said something to the effect of "He's most likely going to end up better than his brother". Which shocked me. The word all year long was he was going to get picked too high based on his name.

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19. Amukamara, NYG - Best Player Available. Surprised someone didn't trade up to get him.

Not sure what to make of him. Some scouts point to while he was challenged often, when he was, he wasn't outstanding.

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Originally Posted by Blackadar

27. Smith, Ravens - Huge boom/bust pick...2nd only to Cam Newton in the first round. The guy has skills, but he's a walking attitude problem.

I laugh every time I hear how he'll be OK because of who is in the Ravens lockerroom. I get RayRay at age 36 isn't the same RayRay at age 21. But, these guys all go through the rookie symposium and most get zero out of it. They still feel they know better, and need to make their own mistakes.

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31. Heyward, Steelers - They love this guy, because they had the card filled out before the Jets picked. And with Smith and Kiesel over 30, they needed someone opposite Ziggy Hood. But could they really afford to pass up on a CB or OT? History shows never to question the Steelers and their first round picks.

Agree on CB. OT is a concern, but not the need that CB is.

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Originally Posted by Blackadar

Questions for Round 2:

When does a massive run on CBs (Harris, Ras-I, Williams, etc.) start? Who trades up to get one of those guys?

Take this for what it's worth. A local guy who follows the Steelers drafts said with how he expects the board to fall in round 2, Pittsburgh should still have a shot at Brandon Harris, who February/March many had the Steelers taking at 31.

Mike Lowe · 04-29-2011, 10:39 AM

Suh+Fairley = Picking your opponents play in Tecmo Bowl.

stevew · 04-29-2011, 10:49 AM

Cleveland managed to get a 10 pick upgrade on their third rounder, 2 low fourths the 21st pick and a low future first rounder from Atlanta for pick 6. And then reached on a guy who doesn't fit. Way to go browns. LOL.

Logan · 04-29-2011, 10:52 AM

For future reference, Rich Gosselin's day-of mock draft should be the only one people ever look at. Some of the highlights:

- Hitting on 1-6 (granted, not difficult)
- Locker at 8
- He had Ponder at 10, not 12 but much, much higher than anyone else had him
- Fairley to the Lions at 13
- Amukamara sliding (had him at 25)
- Bowers out of the 1st round

Some other interesting calls. He really beats the hell out of the other connected guys.

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 04-29-2011, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackadar

Who the hell is going to choose Bowers? How far can that guy slip? Man, his knee must be seriously screwed up...

i don't get knee injuries. remember mcgahee's knee in the ohio st game? and he's still in the league. is it degenerative or something?

GrantDawg · 04-29-2011, 11:00 AM

The Hawks won a playoff series, and it is still going to go down as a dark day in Atlanta sports history. That is all.

JPhillips · 04-29-2011, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

i don't get knee injuries. remember mcgahee's knee in the ohio st game? and he's still in the league. is it degenerative or something?

I read someone calling him the Greg Oden of football. Don't know if that's true, but that would certainly scare a lot of teams.

molson · 04-29-2011, 11:06 AM

Pats' drafts are always so boring.

Though 3 Picks in the 2nd round tonight could be fun, if they don't trade down.

mckerney · 04-29-2011, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

According to Peter King, the Bears wanted to trade up to get Carimi (who they ended up getting at 29) and the Ravens were hoping that Smith would fall to them if they traded down (and they ended up taking him after their skipped pick). The deal was to swap #1s and the Ravens' would get a 4th rounder.

Apparently, the Ravens' owner is really pissed and thinks the Bears should surrender their 4th rounder anyway. Will be interesting to see if Angelo will do anything to "compensate" the Ravens -- I wouldn't, but some may see it as the right thing to do.

Seems a bit ridiculous for the Ravens owner to be too upset, they didn't offer the Vikings any compensation in 2003, don't see how they're entitled to any now.

To quote Ozzie Newsome on a situation like this:

The Ravens, while acknowledging the trade was agreed upon, contended it was not made official because they didn't speak with league official Joel Bussert.

"The deal was not consummated," general manager Ozzie Newsome said at Baltimore's headquarters. "A deal is not a deal until I talk to Joel Bussert, and I never talked to Joel Bussert."

stevew · 04-29-2011, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

For future reference, Rich Gosselin's day-of mock draft should be the only one people ever look at. Some of the highlights:

- Hitting on 1-6 (granted, not difficult)
- Locker at 8
- He had Ponder at 10, not 12 but much, much higher than anyone else had him
- Fairley to the Lions at 13
- Amukamara sliding (had him at 25)
- Bowers out of the 1st round

Some other interesting calls. He really beats the hell out of the other connected guys.

He's clearly a notch above everyone else IMO.

Logan · 04-29-2011, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

i don't get knee injuries. remember mcgahee's knee in the ohio st game? and he's still in the league. is it degenerative or something?

Torn ligament(s) vs a potential bone-on-bone condition, I believe.

Blackadar · 04-29-2011, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

For future reference, Rich Gosselin's day-of mock draft should be the only one people ever look at. Some of the highlights:

- Hitting on 1-6 (granted, not difficult)
- Locker at 8
- He had Ponder at 10, not 12 but much, much higher than anyone else had him
- Fairley to the Lions at 13
- Amukamara sliding (had him at 25)
- Bowers out of the 1st round

Some other interesting calls. He really beats the hell out of the other connected guys.

That's damned impressive. Seriously damned impressive.

For my own personal mock, I had some good and bad.
I only got like 3 or 4 guys placed with the right teams at the right slot...that awful (usually it's more like 8-12 or so).

I did get like 28 or 29 players picked in the first round, which is pretty strong.

JediKooter · 04-29-2011, 11:43 AM

My prediction:

1. Cam Newton, Carolina - Jamarcuss Russell 2.0, but, not as overweight.

Blackadar · 04-29-2011, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JediKooter

My prediction:

1. Cam Newton, Carolina - Jamarcuss Russell 2.0, but, not as overweight.

So essentially...Ryan Leaf?

JediKooter · 04-29-2011, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackadar

So essentially...Ryan Leaf?

Not anymore. Jamarcuss took over the number one bust from Leaf. I mean, Russel can't even get picked up by another team. At least Leaf went through the Cowboys and Buccaneers before he was done.

Blackadar · 04-29-2011, 01:28 PM

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Not anymore. Jamarcuss took over the number one bust from Leaf. I mean, Russel can't even get picked up by another team. At least Leaf went through the Cowboys and Buccaneers before he was done.

The thing about JaMarBust is that many people (including me) outright predicted that he'd be a bust before he was ever selected. Many of us just aren't sure with Cam Newton. After all, he is a better player than JaMarBust ever was, has been somewhat receptive to outside training (Warren Moon is a mentor, while Ken Lucas walked away from Russell after a week) and seems to actually enjoy playing.

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 04-29-2011, 01:56 PM

in that gruden's qb camp thing when gruden criticized him he wouldn't make eye contact. he took notes or pretended to take notes.

the armchair pych. in me says he's not fond of criticism. the holden caulfield in me says this kid's a straight up phony.

i think you can be a fraud so long as you win (see: roethlisberger) but if you don't your teammates are gonna turn on you.

TroyF · 04-29-2011, 02:09 PM

Denver needed about 800 things. They needed to take who they thought was the best player on the board.

Over the past 10+ years, they consistently pass on pass rushers they "should" take. They had a chance to trade up to get Suggs, didn't do it. They passed on Orakbo to take Ayers and Moreno. (these are just two examples of it)

Their successes with pass rushers have been limited to mid round guys everyone else thought would fail. (Hayward, Dummervil)

They need about 10 new starters. I imagine that DT will be on the list for the second round and will be a primary focus in FA. This gives them a pretty solid OLB core and Miller becomes a nice bookend to Dumervil on passing downs from the outside.

Now all Denver has to do is fix RB, TE, DT, MLB, DE, CB and S and they are set for a championship season. The only reason I didn't put QB there is you HAVE to give Tebow a year to see what he can do. There is a good chance he'll fail and they'll need a QB as well, but with Barkley, Luck and Jones available next year, I'm more than happy letting other teams take guys like Newton and Gabbard this year.

Atocep · 04-29-2011, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

i don't get knee injuries. remember mcgahee's knee in the ohio st game? and he's still in the league. is it degenerative or something?

I read that some NFL teams think he's going to need microfracture surgery on it and that's probably scaring everyone else away.

Swaggs · 04-29-2011, 03:39 PM

The longer that I have to wait for the Steelers to get their second player, the less I like the Thurs/Fri/Sat draft set up.

Matthean · 04-29-2011, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackadar

Questions for Round 2:

Who the hell is going to choose Bowers? How far can that guy slip? Man, his knee must be seriously screwed up...

Who gets Mallett and how far does he slip? Perhaps the best-skilled thrower in the draft is still out there. Cincy, perhaps?

When does a massive run on CBs (Harris, Ras-I, Williams, etc.) start? Who trades up to get one of those guys?

When does a massive run on WRs start? There's a ton of guys with 2nd/3rd round grades out there right now. Big play-makers available at a discount!

There was some talk of the Lions taking Bowers. Glad it wasn't him.

Mallet won't last long due to some of the teams that had QB needs didn't get one in the first. Looking around it seems like Dalton will be the pick for Cincy. Palmer sticking around a year would help him out.

Dallas, San Fran., Lions still need CBs.

JonInMiddleGA · 04-29-2011, 03:42 PM

From TVBTN

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The USA Today reports that last night’s first round of the NFL Draft averaged a combined 7 million viewers on ESPN and NFL Network. That’s down 16% from last years 8.6 million average viewers, but still the second most watched NFL Draft in history.

Suburban Rhythm · 04-29-2011, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

The longer that I have to wait for the Steelers to get their second player, the less I like the Thurs/Fri/Sat draft set up.

I can't wait for Saturday to find out who the next late round, 3-4 DE project is in the illustrious history--

Worthington, Nua, Keisel, Bailey, Roye, etc etc...

Hmmm, now that I mention Doug Worthington and Rod Bailey...should we worry about OSU DE Cam Heyward?

gstelmack · 04-29-2011, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

From TVBTN

Do the NFL Network numbers include those streaming the broadcast from their website?

JonInMiddleGA · 04-29-2011, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

Do the NFL Network numbers include those streaming the broadcast from their website?

{shrug} Dunno but I would guess not.

JediKooter · 04-29-2011, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackadar

The thing about JaMarBust is that many people (including me) outright predicted that he'd be a bust before he was ever selected. Many of us just aren't sure with Cam Newton. After all, he is a better player than JaMarBust ever was, has been somewhat receptive to outside training (Warren Moon is a mentor, while Ken Lucas walked away from Russell after a week) and seems to actually enjoy playing.

If he succeeds, awesome. I just have a bad bad feeling about this pick. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly admit it though.

Russell was/is just plain lazy. There's just something about Newton that's...off. Can't quite put my finger on it though.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 04-29-2011, 04:33 PM

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 04-29-2011, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Pats with their obligatory trade out of the first round. FUCK.

This shouldn't be surprising at this point. The Pats strategy here is pretty obvious - they use a first round pick to generate an additional 2nd round pick. Having an additional 2nd round pick each year is a helpful way to develop a team, probably moreso than the difference between Ingram and the back they'll select in the second/third round (if they do).

DaddyTorgo · 04-29-2011, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

This shouldn't be surprising at this point. The Pats strategy here is pretty obvious - they use a first round pick to generate an additional 2nd round pick. Having an additional 2nd round pick each year is a helpful way to develop a team, probably moreso than the difference between Ingram and the back they'll select in the second/third round (if they do).

Agreed.

They were joking on 98.5 (I find it more tolerable in the AM than 850) this morning: "In the 2030 draft the Patriots will have the entire first round at this rate. Belichek will just go "I'll take the Alabama defense and the Michigan offense please." Made me LOL.

mckerney · 04-29-2011, 05:03 PM

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DaddyTorgo · 04-29-2011, 05:06 PM

Hey look at it this way mckerney - not as much of a reach as teams like the Raiders have made in the recent past...

04-29-2011, 09:13 AM	#261
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	Very interesting 1st round. Observations on each pick: 1. Cam Newton, Carolina - huge boom or bust on this guy (as we've discussed). Nothing more needs to be said. 2. Von Miller, Denver - Potentially awesome player, but Denver really needed DL help. I'm not sure how effective he'll be when the DL can't keep big linemen from getting to him. 3. Dareus, Buffalo - Denver's loss is Buffalo's gain. Buffalo needed a stud DT and got the best one in the draft. 4. Green, Cincy - Yeah, but who's going to throw him the ball? 5. Peterson, Arizona - Perhaps the best player in the draft. Nice pickup. 6. Jones, Falcons - really? You give up virtually your entire draft this year and next year for a WR with suspect hands? I think this one is going to haunt them for a few years. Even if he pans out, it still hurts them. 7. Smith, 49ers - Solid, but a bit surprising with other guys still on the board. 8. Locker, Titans - I'm not overly fond of this kid's accuracy. Good environment for him, though. He can learn behind Kerry Collins for a year before taking over the helm. 9. Smith, Dallas - No brainer to keep Romo upright. 10. Gabbert, Jags - Huh? WTF? Huge needs at D with Fairley and Prince on the board and you grab the most overrated QB in the draft? I know Gerrard is 33, but the guy had a 90 rating last year. Worst pick in the first round by far. 11. Watt, Houston - Solid pickup for need, but the guy is a bit of a reach at this point in the draft. 12. Ponder, Vikings - Seriously? Wow. He carried a mid-2nd round grade by virtually everyone...except the Vikes, apparently. The Vikes must have figured that his senior year was hampered by that arm injury. His junior campaign (68.8% completion ratio, 147 QB rating) was pretty spectacular. 13. Fairley, Lions - I wouldn't want to be a QB or RB in the NFC North and having to face the Lions twice a year. That D-Line is incredible now. But I'm really, really surprised they passed on Prince. 14. Quinn, Rams - Excellent pick. One of the BPAs and a massive need. 15. Pouncey, Dolphins - Mike should thank Maurkice for getting chosen this high. The problem is that Mike isn't as good as Maurkice. 16. Kerrigan, Redskins - Huge motor, good character and a position of need for the 'Skins. Solid. 17. Solder, Patriots - Very surprising with Cam Jordan still on the board and Solder not being the most NFL-ready guy. Still, they had to get a tackle given their current guys are FAs. 18. Liuget, Chargers - I like this kid. Should fit well with SD's scheme, even if this wasn't a position of need. 19. Amukamara, NYG - Best Player Available. Surprised someone didn't trade up to get him. 20. Clayborne, TB - Great kid, great story, but can he shed blocks in the NFL with that shoulder? To be determined... 21. Taylor, Cleveland - The guy is a 3-4 DT and the D-Coordinator is a 4-3 guy. Cleveland doesn't have the DEs for a 3-4, so I can't quite figure this one out. 22. Castonzo, Indy - Perhaps my favorite pick in the 1st round. The guy is NFL-ready and can protect Peyton Manning. Massive value at 22. 23. Watkins, Philly - Er...not my favorite pick. I like the guy ok, but he was a 2nd round grade who just kept sneaking up draft boards. He's 26, Philly didn't need a G and there were better OLs out there. 24. Jordan, Saints - Love this pick. Cam Jordan would have been a steal at 15. Huge need and the Saints got perhaps the best DE out there. 25. Carpenter, Seattle - With Carimi and Sherrod still on the board? Hmmm... 26. Baldwin, KC - A reach in a position of need. But even if they can score, they won't be able to get opposing teams off the field with problems at DT and LB. 27. Smith, Ravens - Huge boom/bust pick...2nd only to Cam Newton in the first round. The guy has skills, but he's a walking attitude problem. 28. Ingram, Saints - Not so fond what it took to get this pick, but I guess the Saints needed a RB. I think there will be good value in RBs at the back half of the 2nd round, but if this is their guy, they had to get him. 29 - Carimi, Bears - No brainer given how often Jay Cutler kissed Soldier Field last year. 30. Wilkerson, Jets - He ain't a full time NT, but he should be able to move around in Ryan's system. Showed steady improvement in college. 31. Heyward, Steelers - They love this guy, because they had the card filled out before the Jets picked. And with Smith and Kiesel over 30, they needed someone opposite Ziggy Hood. But could they really afford to pass up on a CB or OT? History shows never to question the Steelers and their first round picks. 32. Sherrod, GB - Must have loved it when Pittsburgh passed on him, though I think they would have rather had Heyward. Questions for Round 2: Who the hell is going to choose Bowers? How far can that guy slip? Man, his knee must be seriously screwed up... Who gets Mallett and how far does he slip? Perhaps the best-skilled thrower in the draft is still out there. Cincy, perhaps? When does a massive run on CBs (Harris, Ras-I, Williams, etc.) start? Who trades up to get one of those guys? When does a massive run on WRs start? There's a ton of guys with 2nd/3rd round grades out there right now. Big play-makers available at a discount! Last edited by Blackadar : 04-29-2011 at 09:18 AM.

04-29-2011, 09:14 AM	#262
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	So I listened to this via NFL.com streaming last night while working on the next version of the UtilitySuite. That meant I didn't have to get annoyed at ruining the surprise; frankly, I just want to know who the picks are, I could care less about needing to wait for them to get "announced". Happy New England got an OT, not surprised they traded #28 for a second round pick (which they prefer massively over firsts) and a first next year (which they'll roll into an extra second next year and a first the following season). I really, really, really hope Carolina sees something in Newton and didn't just pick him to put butts in the seats. I want to be wrong, but I just don't see him as a #1 overall team leader who is going to pick this team up and carry them back to the playoffs. Hope this works out for them... __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

04-29-2011, 09:28 AM	#265
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	The question is, does not giving up the 4th impair his ability to make trades in the future? Not sure that is does, as teams are stupid, but it could. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

04-29-2011, 10:39 AM	#271
Mike Lowe College Prospect Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: San Diego, CA	Suh+Fairley = Picking your opponents play in Tecmo Bowl. __________________ Be fulfilled. Be grateful. Be good to one another. @MikeLowe47 @SimSportsGamin9 Website \| YouTube \| Discord

04-29-2011, 11:43 AM	#282
JediKooter Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Diego via Sausalito via San Jose via San Diego	My prediction: 1. Cam Newton, Carolina - Jamarcuss Russell 2.0, but, not as overweight. __________________ I'm no longer a Chargers fan, they are dead to me Coming this summer to a movie theater near you: The Adventures of Jedikooter: Part 4

04-29-2011, 01:34 AM	#254
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	Really happy with the Redskins picking up an extra second round pick and with Ryan Kerrigan - we really need a boost to our pass rushing and having someone opposite Orakpo will be great. Now to address our offense in round 2.

04-29-2011, 08:48 AM	#259
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	So the first 4 qbs taken were Newton, Locker, Gabbert and Ponder. I'm hoping Vegas will give me odds that the next 4 taken will have better careers than the first 4. I mean, is there really that much of a difference compared to Mallett, Kaepernick, Stanzi and Dalton?

04-29-2011, 09:29 AM	#266
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Rumors are circling that the Bears were on the phone with Carimi's agent, who basically let slip the Chiefs were not going to draft Carimi like the Bears thought (prompting the trade originally). So they just 'accidentally' forgot to call in the trade to the front office. Take it with a grain of salt. And the old adage of 'never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence' fits real well, especially with Angelo.

04-29-2011, 10:03 AM	#269
Doug5984 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisiana	I'm very happy with the Saints draft- Jordan at 24, and then I'm happy with the trade for Ingram. I hope Bush returns, I've been one of his biggest supporters but if he doesn't take a pay cut then we will do just fine without him (hell we have for half the time he's been here and been hurt). I don't think the Ingram pick affects his role on the team at all, it takes a couple touches away from Pierre- but really it puts Ivory back as the # 4 guy (maybe 5 depending on how Lynell Hamilton looks in TC)

04-29-2011, 10:49 AM	#272
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Cleveland managed to get a 10 pick upgrade on their third rounder, 2 low fourths the 21st pick and a low future first rounder from Atlanta for pick 6. And then reached on a guy who doesn't fit. Way to go browns. LOL.

04-29-2011, 10:52 AM	#273
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	For future reference, Rich Gosselin's day-of mock draft should be the only one people ever look at. Some of the highlights: - Hitting on 1-6 (granted, not difficult) - Locker at 8 - He had Ponder at 10, not 12 but much, much higher than anyone else had him - Fairley to the Lions at 13 - Amukamara sliding (had him at 25) - Bowers out of the 1st round Some other interesting calls. He really beats the hell out of the other connected guys.

04-29-2011, 11:00 AM	#275
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	The Hawks won a playoff series, and it is still going to go down as a dark day in Atlanta sports history. That is all.

04-29-2011, 11:06 AM	#277
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Pats' drafts are always so boring. Though 3 Picks in the 2nd round tonight could be fun, if they don't trade down.

04-29-2011, 01:56 PM	#286
NorvTurnerOverdrive College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2008	in that gruden's qb camp thing when gruden criticized him he wouldn't make eye contact. he took notes or pretended to take notes. the armchair pych. in me says he's not fond of criticism. the holden caulfield in me says this kid's a straight up phony. i think you can be a fraud so long as you win (see: roethlisberger) but if you don't your teammates are gonna turn on you. Last edited by NorvTurnerOverdrive : 04-29-2011 at 01:57 PM.

04-29-2011, 02:09 PM	#287
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Denver needed about 800 things. They needed to take who they thought was the best player on the board. Over the past 10+ years, they consistently pass on pass rushers they "should" take. They had a chance to trade up to get Suggs, didn't do it. They passed on Orakbo to take Ayers and Moreno. (these are just two examples of it) Their successes with pass rushers have been limited to mid round guys everyone else thought would fail. (Hayward, Dummervil) They need about 10 new starters. I imagine that DT will be on the list for the second round and will be a primary focus in FA. This gives them a pretty solid OLB core and Miller becomes a nice bookend to Dumervil on passing downs from the outside. Now all Denver has to do is fix RB, TE, DT, MLB, DE, CB and S and they are set for a championship season. The only reason I didn't put QB there is you HAVE to give Tebow a year to see what he can do. There is a good chance he'll fail and they'll need a QB as well, but with Barkley, Luck and Jones available next year, I'm more than happy letting other teams take guys like Newton and Gabbard this year.

04-29-2011, 03:39 PM	#289
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	The longer that I have to wait for the Steelers to get their second player, the less I like the Thurs/Fri/Sat draft set up. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

04-29-2011, 04:33 PM	#296
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	__________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

04-29-2011, 05:06 PM	#300
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Hey look at it this way mckerney - not as much of a reach as teams like the Raiders have made in the recent past...

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