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[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

LOL

no hard feelings hmm man? I'm just calling em like I see em, and something about you has set off my internal "wolf-detector" in a way that only Izulde did in one of my first games way back when.

maybe i'm wrong. Maybe i'm right. But it's a D1 vote, and I'm just your average Ivan, so why not push it.

Every once in awhile this stuff is right on, and it is really gratifying to have it verified later in the game. I had that happen in my first game (X-Com) where I pushed after Blade6119 pretty relentlessly once I thought the voting patterns suggested he was hairy.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Unclaimed - Rube Baker, Roger Dorn, Pedro Cerrano, Jake Tomlinson


I'm obviously one of these people. Jake Tomlinson is a generic dude. So that leaves two people for me to search for retirement info within the movie scripts. And I think the retirement could fit for one of them, if I'm correctly recalling what I read about ML2 yesterday ...

What role, if any, do you have me claiming? Could you post a list of what you have? Because I think you may have made a mistake.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Every once in awhile this stuff is right on, and it is really gratifying to have it verified later in the game. I had that happen in my first game (X-Com) where I pushed after Blade6119 pretty relentlessly once I thought the voting patterns suggested he was hairy.

yep. And it doesn't happen to me all that often. So since it's D1 figured it's a good place to go, at least for now.

[Barkeep49]

I like 1,5,9,13 as our picks. This whole "who do we trust to do random.org" business seems overblown. That's why we're having so many people go. So in other words 1,5,9,13 is fine as would be any other set of 4. I think we're just wasting time here and I'm afraid that not all four of our players picked, whoever they might be, will be on in time before deadline.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, why go with player that gets the lowest amount of votes to determine the list?

If I was picking the step-ups today (only four, I would prefer five), I would go with:
Hoops
DaddyT
Celeval
Barkeep
KWhit (if we went five)

I include myself on the list because I trust me to do the right thing - use the step-up to help the team. The other names would potentially help generate information on how the talent was determined, based on my understanding of these players identities.

[hoopsguy]

Here is what I believe are the roles at the moment, based on reading the posts and trying to interpret hints based on my knowledge of the movie.

1. DaddyTorgo - Ivan Molina (random dude)
2. Barkeep - Ken Parkhurst (random dude)
3. KWhit - Tom Kettner (random dude)
4. Passacaglia - Rick "Wild Thing" Vaughn (P)
5. Celeval - hinted at Jake Taylor
6. Lathum - Isuro Tanaka (RF)
7. MikeVic - indispensible to team, talk about retirement, Dorn?
8. hoopsguy - stated position player (not random dude)
9. path12 - Jack Parkman (C/DH)
10. Jonathan Ezarik
11. ntndeacon
12. Gonzo - Willie Mays Hayes (CF)
13. PurdueBrad - Lou Brown (manager)
14. st.cronin - "crafty lefty", Eddie Harris (P)

[Passacaglia]

I think you're essentially voting for who you DON'T want to step up, hoops. Either that, or cronin is just trying to make it deliberately confusing.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Cronin, why go with player that gets the lowest amount of votes to determine the list?

Because there is no system that we can think of that doesn't involve trusting somebody. So we may as well say, ok the person that gets the most votes is the person we trust the least, at least theoretically. Conversely the player who gets the least votes is the person we trust the most.

We may be wrong, but its at least something.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think you're essentially voting for who you DON'T want to step up, hoops. Either that, or cronin is just trying to make it deliberately confusing.

No, what I'm suggesting is: Each player put out a list of who they want to "step up." The player who receives the least number of votes, we abide by that list - if he names you, you step it up.

I realize this has only a tiny chance of working, but, let's all put our lists out at least, even if you want to stick with one of the earlier plans, and then talk about whether we want to abide by this or not.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Because there is no system that we can think of that doesn't involve trusting somebody. So we may as well say, ok the person that gets the most votes is the person we trust the least, at least theoretically. Conversely the player who gets the least votes is the person we trust the most.

We may be wrong, but its at least something.

This post right here is Exhibit A on how I find myself almost always looking at things differently than Cronin I'm usually happy that I ask the questions about the differences by the time the explanation is complete, but we always start off at very different places when looking at these games.

[Passacaglia]

Oh, sorry, this vote is just to see who determines the list? I'm sorry, I'm pretty tired today, so I missed that. It seems like that's way too much of a hassle -- at what point do we tally those votes? Then that person needs to be on to make the list, and we need to figure that all 4 of the people called on to step it up show up in time to learn their instructions? If we're going to try something random, I like DT's idea more.

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm a backup, defensive-specialist middle infielder FWIW hoops

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Here is what I believe are the roles at the moment, based on reading the posts and trying to interpret hints based on my knowledge of the movie.

1. DaddyTorgo - Ivan Molina (random dude)
2. Barkeep - Ken Parkhurst (random dude)
3. KWhit - Tom Kettner (random dude)
4. Passacaglia - Rick "Wild Thing" Vaughn (P)
5. Celeval - hinted at Jake Taylor
6. Lathum - Isuro Tanaka (RF)
7. MikeVic - indispensible to team, talk about retirement, Dorn?
8. hoopsguy - stated position player (not random dude)
9. path12 - Jack Parkman (C/DH)
10. Jonathan Ezarik
11. ntndeacon
12. Gonzo - Willie Mays Hayes (CF)
13. PurdueBrad - Lou Brown (manager)
14. st.cronin - "crafty lefty", Eddie Harris (P)

Ok, I thought maybe somebody else had claimed Harris. I think in the movies he was actually a righty. So the bait didn't exactly work.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

No, what I'm suggesting is: Each player put out a list of who they want to "step up." The player who receives the least number of votes, we abide by that list - if he names you, you step it up.

I realize this has only a tiny chance of working, but, let's all put our lists out at least, even if you want to stick with one of the earlier plans, and then talk about whether we want to abide by this or not.

I'm not sure I follow, but I'll do it:

st.cronin
DaddyTorgo
Barkeep
hoopsguy

[Passacaglia]

What do we do if more than one person gets no votes?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Oh, sorry, this vote is just to see who determines the list? I'm sorry, I'm pretty tired today, so I missed that. It seems like that's way too much of a hassle -- at what point do we tally those votes? Then that person needs to be on to make the list, and we need to figure that all 4 of the people called on to step it up show up in time to learn their instructions? If we're going to try something random, I like DT's idea more.

No, its the same as the regular lynch vote, its not a seperate vote. You just make a list, and if you have the least amount of votes... sigh, never mind.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

What do we do if more than one person gets no votes?

Tiebreak should be earliest published list.

Even if we don't get this organized today, we can still try it tomorrow.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

No, its the same as the regular lynch vote, its not a seperate vote. You just make a list, and if you have the least amount of votes... sigh, never mind.

That's probably for the best. I promise I'm not being deliberately dense! Maybe tomorrow would be a better day for me to get involved in it -- but hey, you at least have my list right? That's got to count for something.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

That's probably for the best. I promise I'm not being deliberately dense! Maybe tomorrow would be a better day for me to get involved in it -- but hey, you at least have my list right? That's got to count for something.

For the record, I'm planning to abide by this. Of the lists published, if I'm on the one that gets the least number of votes, I'll submit myself to step it up. Otherwise, I'll hold it.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

No, its the same as the regular lynch vote, its not a seperate vote. You just make a list, and if you have the least amount of votes... sigh, never mind.

Okay, I think I see what you're saying. Are you saying that tomorrow, the person who has the least votes *in the lynch vote from the day before* gets to create the list of 4 or 5 people who will step it up that day?

[Passacaglia]

Oh, I was so close. I think the only thing I missed is that we're all supposed to put in our lists today.

Anyway, I guess this doesn't help us much for tonight's game. Then again, a lot of people may have already put in plans to step it up tonight, which could throw a wrench into everything anyway.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Okay, I think I see what you're saying. Are you saying that tomorrow, the person who has the least votes *in the lynch vote from the day before* gets to create the list of 4 or 5 people who will step it up that day?

That would be an alternate method. I am saying, that today, whoever has the least votes in today's lynch vote, gets to create the list.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

That would be an alternate method. I am saying, that today, whoever has the least votes in today's lynch vote, gets to create the list.

Isn't that what I said?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Isn't that what I said?

Doesn't somebody need to step it up for today's deadline? I thought that's how this game worked.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Doesn't somebody need to step it up for today's deadline? I thought that's how this game worked.

I don't see any place that it says someone needs to step it up. It might mean we lose the game if no one does -- but my hunch is that someone has already submitted an order to step it up anyway, and won't be on to repeal it before lynch. I could be wrong, though.

How do you expect this to work for tonight? We won't know who has the least votes in the lynch vote until it's too late. Damn you and your 24-hour phase!!

[hoopsguy]

Votes as of Post #275:
Hoops (will lose all tiebreaks) - Barkeep (74), Lathum (75)
Barkeep - JE (152)
Purdue - Cronin (160)
Cronin - Torgo (162)
NTN - KWhit (212)

Not voted - Pass, Celeval, MikeVic, Hoops, Path, NTN, Gonzo, Purdue

[path12]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Doesn't somebody need to step it up for today's deadline? I thought that's how this game worked.

You have to send in your night actions before deadline because of the 24 hour day. But actually stepping up (like Jack Parkman, say), would be conveyed by PM to Chief if I understand correctly.

[path12]

VOTE NTNDEACON

Jack Parkman has voted. You are all free to follow.

[Celeval]

So is that vote list who we want to step up, or who we don't want to step up? I admit to a certain amount of confusion.

[hoopsguy]

Celeval, based on the conversation around Cronin's vote list idea I would love to see us table this chain of thought until after the deadline and then consider it for our Day 2 approach.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Celeval

So is that vote list who we want to step up, or who we don't want to step up? I admit to a certain amount of confusion.

Same here. I'm trying to read too many posts too quickly, probably.

[hoopsguy]

If we go with the 1,5,9,13 approach then it is the following players:

DaddyTorgo, Celeval, Path, PurdueBrad

Not the list that I would have chosen if I was picking but that is kind of the point with random - that it hopefully represents a good compromise.

[Passacaglia]

I'm going to go ahead and put a vote in on Barkeep. He didn't really answer my question about his confusing statements yesterday, and he still has his vote on hoops, who really seems to be part of helping the village.

VOTE BARKEEP49

[MikeVic]

So for today's step-it-up users, we're going with the list of four that hoops posted? And for tomorrow, we're each submitting a list of people we want to step it up... and then the person with the least amount of votes gets to pick who steps it up?

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by path12

VOTE NTNDEACON

Jack Parkman has voted. You are all free to follow.

Any reasons why?

[path12]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Any reasons why?

Jack Parkman doesn't usually explain his actions, but in this case I will. Someone needed a second vote to take the heat off hoops, who I would like to keep around for at least today.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I'm going to go ahead and put a vote in on Barkeep. He didn't really answer my question about his confusing statements yesterday, and he still has his vote on hoops, who really seems to be part of helping the village.

VOTE BARKEEP49

In fairness, my wolf MO is to appear to aggressively help the village as well. BK has seen me play that card, and I can understand some suspicion. But is the risk/reward really worth it on Day 1?

I would like to see him a little more involved, as his statements today seem to be that there isn't anything to look at on Day 1. I don't buy that - it is a really good day to try and understand game mechanics. You start forming impressions on people, recognizing that they are likely to change. And you try to promote, rather than discourage, discussion. But that is just me ...

[KWhit]

I'm out for a while. I may be able to peek in before lynch, but I'm not sure.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by path12

Jack Parkman doesn't usually explain his actions, but in this case I will. Someone needed a second vote to take the heat off hoops, who I would like to keep around for at least today.

Before it is over, I'm going to need a third vote. Which is part of the reason I'm laying back for now - I lose the tie-breaker and I want to put my vote in the best place to keep myself around for tonight's game. However, if I do end up making a self-preservation vote I'll also convey where I would have gone if I had the opportunity to make a consequence-free vote.

[path12]

Jack Parkman would also like to keep Barkeep around for at least another day, although I realize that any of you are less important than I am.

[PurdueBrad]

I'm torn on what to do, but as of right now, I'm going to say:

I vote for Barkeep

Similar reasons as previously stated, the quick votes back-to-back against Hoops caught me off guard and I think that Hoops is actually trying to help us. If I'm not mistaken, this gets most of the heat off of Hoops.

[Lathum]

I think we should have 5 people step it up for tonight. We may be able to learn more and I think it is important to win tonights game so we don't fall 2 back.

[hoopsguy]

Jack Parkman is slipping in and out of 3rd person when referring to himself. I would expect that a superstar like Jack Parkman would never need to use 1st person.

[path12]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Jack Parkman is slipping in and out of 3rd person when referring to himself. I would expect that a superstar like Jack Parkman would never need to use 1st person.

Jack Parkman agrees, and has told Jack Parkman to shape up. Which of course is no problem for Jack Parkman.

[Lathum]

I am also suspiscous of people who volunteer to step it up for 2 reasons.

1. Wolf trying to look heplfull
2. People with less "step ups" will be less likely targeted at night so a wolf who has steooed up can use that as an excuse why he is still alive later in the game.

[hoopsguy]

Agree with your point, Lathum, although I have one important distinction.

- less successful step-ups

Using, or not using a step-up appears to me to be a self-reporting process unless you impact the outcome, which will be reported by ChiefRum. But I don't see a way that we really learn if someone else used one or not. Which again gives the Yankee-lovers room to hide and sows suspicion in our ranks.

[MikeVic]

So when a player is stepping-it-up, they just PM the GM, and don't put anything in here? This is the same for the wolf skills?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Agree with your point, Lathum, although I have one important distinction.

- less successful step-ups

Using, or not using a step-up appears to me to be a self-reporting process unless you impact the outcome, which will be reported by ChiefRum. But I don't see a way that we really learn if someone else used one or not. Which again gives the Yankee-lovers room to hide and sows suspicion in our ranks.

not sure, but considering our unknown talent levels it seems to me initialy a quantity over quality approach should be taken.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

So when a player is stepping-it-up, they just PM the GM, and don't put anything in here? This is the same for the wolf skills?

wolf skills?

if you mean night actions then yes, just PM the GM.

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by Lathum

wolf skills?

if you mean night actions then yes, just PM the GM.

Yeah, the bodyguard, seer, etc. Thanks.