Historical Nation Draft - Page 6

larrymcg421 · 05-13-2009, 01:28 AM

That's certainly not the US athlete I expected to get picked.

larrymcg421 · 05-13-2009, 01:29 AM

Oh, and I updated the first post and added a listing of picks by category at the bottom, so you can see what countries have been taken in each category.

Izulde · 05-13-2009, 01:30 AM

I don't know... when you consider his levels of excellence in so many different sports and the fact that he was able to accomplish so much and retire at a young age and -still- be one of the greatest ever statistically speaking... that to me is the very definite of an athlete.

Versatility. Success. Immortality. All in one package.

Lathum · 05-13-2009, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

In a good way or bad way?

In a bad way. I think there are WAY better athletes that personify the nation. Jesse Owens, Mark Spitz and Mary Lou Retton come to mind.

larrymcg421 · 05-13-2009, 01:33 AM

But just think, Izulde's nation will be the home of some classic blaxploitation films.

Lathum · 05-13-2009, 01:33 AM

dola- there's also the Jordan and Woods guys

Lathum · 05-13-2009, 01:34 AM

I also think it's to early to take an athlete, there's a ton of depth there.

Abe Sargent · 05-13-2009, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I also think it's to early to take an athlete, there's a ton of depth there.

I congree

Izulde · 05-13-2009, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

In a bad way. I think there are WAY better athletes that personify the nation. Jesse Owens, Mark Spitz and Mary Lou Retton come to mind.

Yeah, those are the type of athletes I figure would be going. But the reason I somewhat disagree with those is because they're specific to something that happens only every four years and is limited to one sport and ones that furthermore get little attention outside of the Olympics.

Izulde · 05-13-2009, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

dola- there's also the Jordan and Woods guys

I considered Jordan, but the demonstrated multi-sport excellence of Brown swayed me.

Barkeep49 · 05-13-2009, 06:27 AM

What about Jim Thorpe then? There was a guy who could play more than one sport.

Barkeep49 · 05-13-2009, 06:28 AM

Also in terms of American economists Milton Friedman is better than Galbraith. Hell I'd have taken Steven Levitt over Galbraith because I think more people would have heard of him.

Barkeep49 · 05-13-2009, 06:33 AM

I do love the Marx pick BTW. Clearly an incredibly important economist.

Alan T · 05-13-2009, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

What about Jim Thorpe then? There was a guy who could play more than one sport.

In my mind this was the clear #1 athlete pick for the U.S. if not a pretty strong one worldwide. I agree with others that the combination of picking an athlete this early and picking a lesser choice from the country is a bad combination.

I love the Adam Smith pick, much more than the Karl Marx praise going around recently. (Even though Marx was a strong pick in a weak category).

I also love the Ghandi pick. When people in the U.S. think of civil rights leaders, they tend to relate that directly to African Americans and their struggles to try to be equal. There are so many minority groups out there, I am really interested to see where people go with that (including civil rights that aren't just about race).

Anyways, great idea for a draft, and I'll be reading along as best as I can, as this is very interesting to me.

Edit: I meant to also mention as far as Athlete goes, I think a close second to Thorpe would have been Jesse Owens (which I think someone else mentioned). He was an amazing athlete in many different fields, but where he accomplished it and when is just as important and probably trumps Thorpe there.

Izulde · 05-13-2009, 07:14 AM

*sigh* Aight so I fucked up my draft again... and in the second round to boot.

Barkeep49 · 05-13-2009, 07:20 AM

Izulde, to be honest with you I'm having trouble coming up with my next pick, so don't feel too bad. All of the big names left on my board are in categories where I have several very solid alternatives who I can see slipping. The categories where I don't have nearly the bench depth all are people who are second (or even fourth) tier names.

Barkeep49 · 05-13-2009, 07:21 AM

DOLA - In other words don't feel bad

Alan T · 05-13-2009, 07:27 AM

I agree, don't feel bad. I apologize if my wording was harsh. I can only imagine it is so tough to try to think of so many world wide categories and then try to rank them, and on top of that try to prioritize them based on when to pick them. That is why it is fun for me to watch, I don't have to do the picking, I can just be a backseat driver

Izulde · 05-13-2009, 07:33 AM

Thanks guys

DaddyTorgo · 05-13-2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Also in terms of American economists Milton Friedman is better than Galbraith. Hell I'd have taken Steven Levitt over Galbraith because I think more people would have heard of him.

I guess that all depends on the circles you run in. I feel good about Galbraith - he served in the administration's of 4 different presidents, from both parties. clearly the guy has the political saavy to be my chief economist, and i like his policies

Barkeep49 · 05-13-2009, 08:37 AM

I'm not knocking Galbraith. He's a giant of the field. I just think his name recognition will hurt you with the voters.

Barkeep49 · 05-13-2009, 08:42 AM

The more I think about this draft, the more I appreciate the Red Baron as a pick.

DaddyTorgo · 05-13-2009, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I'm not knocking Galbraith. He's a giant of the field. I just think his name recognition will hurt you with the voters.

I'm not going for name-recognition...I think that's a poor way to try to "game" these drafts if you will. I think I've shown that fairly consistently with some of my picks in past drafts.

Abe Sargent · 05-13-2009, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

What about Jim Thorpe then? There was a guy who could play more than one sport.

I woulda chosen Thorpe from US atheletes.

Abe Sargent · 05-13-2009, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Izulde, to be honest with you I'm having trouble coming up with my next pick, so don't feel too bad. All of the big names left on my board are in categories where I have several very solid alternatives who I can see slipping. The categories where I don't have nearly the bench depth all are people who are second (or even fourth) tier names.

I agree. The obvious names are out. My next pick is to go for someone not anywhere near the level of fame others have or someone not nearly with the impact others have, you know?

Abe Sargent · 05-13-2009, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I'm not going for name-recognition...I think that's a poor way to try to "game" these drafts if you will. I think I've shown that fairly consistently with some of my picks in past drafts.

I do appreciate that.

Coffee Warlord · 05-13-2009, 09:04 AM

Rather surprised I nabbed Einstein. Wheeeeee!

Abe Sargent · 05-13-2009, 09:07 AM

Einstein was the last of teh big names I think.

lordscarlet · 05-13-2009, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

Yeah, those are the type of athletes I figure would be going. But the reason I somewhat disagree with those is because they're specific to something that happens only every four years and is limited to one sport and ones that furthermore get little attention outside of the Olympics.

I know we settled down on this, but I think the key is national recognition in a nation building draft. Jim Brown was a star in a uniquely American sport.

On another note, I think Jesus has been picked (in some fashion) in something like 3 of the last 4 drafts.

DaddyTorgo · 05-13-2009, 09:24 AM

No drafting of jesus/god/the bible in my draft, i'm sure.

Noop · 05-13-2009, 09:47 AM

2.8 King Solomon - Justice Minister - Pre-20th Century - Israel

Coffee Warlord · 05-13-2009, 09:51 AM

Another unexpected one, but an awesome pick for the category.

Abe Sargent · 05-13-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Noop

2.8 King Solomon - Justice Minister - Pre-20th Century - Israel

Whoah

DaddyTorgo · 05-13-2009, 10:01 AM

well done noop

Danny · 05-13-2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

No drafting of jesus/god/the bible in my draft, i'm sure.

Oh we'll see about that.

Abe Sargent · 05-13-2009, 10:02 AM

I totally didn;t see that, and I really, really like it. Good job Noop

Danny · 05-13-2009, 10:03 AM

Yeah good pick noop

Danny · 05-13-2009, 10:04 AM

I just hope Judge Dredd makes it to my pick

Abe Sargent · 05-13-2009, 10:05 AM

Abe Sargent · 05-13-2009, 10:11 AM

C'Mon BK. I'm ready as soon as you go. Boom. One-two, one-two

Coffee Warlord · 05-13-2009, 10:12 AM

I've got 6 picks in the hopper. One of them needs to last till my next one, dammit.

Abe Sargent · 05-13-2009, 10:13 AM

I just hope Bk doesn't take the one i want, but unlike DT, I have a backup

Danny · 05-13-2009, 10:13 AM

I'm drafting as I go, I have not come up with a list for each spot yet. Maybe later today.

Barkeep49 · 05-13-2009, 10:34 AM

Ok. The air cateogry has completely flummoxed me. I can't come up with a name of anyone that someone might have heard of that isn't German or American. Not wanting to lose America, I'm making my pick. I'm guessing this is going to be a Jim Brown sort of pick where others give me all sorts of ideas I didn't think about. However, many of the famous pilots weren't military pilots and that didn't seem in keeping with the draft.

I select John Glenn - Air Chief
Glenn, in adition to being the third person to orbit Earth, was a top notch test pilot, even helping to break the sonic barrier. In his later life he became a US Senator. Glenn would have both the political and practical expertise to make sure this nation had a superior air ability.

Barkeep49 · 05-13-2009, 10:34 AM

Forgot to mention, he's United States 20th Century.

DaddyTorgo · 05-13-2009, 10:35 AM

kickass - way to go john glenn!

Abe Sargent · 05-13-2009, 10:35 AM

Marco Polo, Chief Diplomat, Italy, Pre-20th

Coffee Warlord · 05-13-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I select John Glenn - Air Chief
Glenn, in adition to being the third person to orbit Earth, was a top notch test pilot, even helping to break the sonic barrier. In his later life he became a US Senator. Glenn would have both the political and practical expertise to make sure this nation had a superior air ability.

You ass. EXACTLY the same direction I was gonna go here.

Surtt · 05-13-2009, 10:37 AM

2.11 Napoleon Bonaparte, Army Chief, France, pre-20th

Abe Sargent · 05-13-2009, 10:39 AM

Nappy is a solid choice here.

05-13-2009, 01:28 AM	#251
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05-13-2009, 01:29 AM	#252
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	Oh, and I updated the first post and added a listing of picks by category at the bottom, so you can see what countries have been taken in each category. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

05-13-2009, 01:30 AM	#253
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	I don't know... when you consider his levels of excellence in so many different sports and the fact that he was able to accomplish so much and retire at a young age and -still- be one of the greatest ever statistically speaking... that to me is the very definite of an athlete. Versatility. Success. Immortality. All in one package. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

05-13-2009, 01:33 AM	#255
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	But just think, Izulde's nation will be the home of some classic blaxploitation films. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

05-13-2009, 07:14 AM	#265
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	sigh Aight so I fucked up my draft again... and in the second round to boot. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

05-13-2009, 01:33 AM	#256
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	dola- there's also the Jordan and Woods guys

05-13-2009, 01:34 AM	#257
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I also think it's to early to take an athlete, there's a ton of depth there.

05-13-2009, 06:27 AM	#261
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	What about Jim Thorpe then? There was a guy who could play more than one sport.

05-13-2009, 06:28 AM	#262
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Also in terms of American economists Milton Friedman is better than Galbraith. Hell I'd have taken Steven Levitt over Galbraith because I think more people would have heard of him.

05-13-2009, 06:33 AM	#263
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I do love the Marx pick BTW. Clearly an incredibly important economist.

05-13-2009, 07:20 AM	#266
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Izulde, to be honest with you I'm having trouble coming up with my next pick, so don't feel too bad. All of the big names left on my board are in categories where I have several very solid alternatives who I can see slipping. The categories where I don't have nearly the bench depth all are people who are second (or even fourth) tier names.

05-13-2009, 07:21 AM	#267
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	DOLA - In other words don't feel bad

05-13-2009, 07:27 AM	#268
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	I agree, don't feel bad. I apologize if my wording was harsh. I can only imagine it is so tough to try to think of so many world wide categories and then try to rank them, and on top of that try to prioritize them based on when to pick them. That is why it is fun for me to watch, I don't have to do the picking, I can just be a backseat driver __________________ Couch to ??k - From the couch to a Marathon in roughly 18 months.

05-13-2009, 07:33 AM	#269
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	Thanks guys __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

05-13-2009, 08:37 AM	#271
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I'm not knocking Galbraith. He's a giant of the field. I just think his name recognition will hurt you with the voters.

05-13-2009, 08:42 AM	#272
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	The more I think about this draft, the more I appreciate the Red Baron as a pick.

05-13-2009, 09:04 AM	#277
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Rather surprised I nabbed Einstein. Wheeeeee!

05-13-2009, 09:07 AM	#278
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Einstein was the last of teh big names I think. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-13-2009, 09:24 AM	#280
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	No drafting of jesus/god/the bible in my draft, i'm sure. __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature. Last edited by DaddyTorgo : 05-13-2009 at 09:24 AM.

05-13-2009, 09:47 AM	#281
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	2.8 King Solomon - Justice Minister - Pre-20th Century - Israel __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

05-13-2009, 09:51 AM	#282
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Another unexpected one, but an awesome pick for the category.

05-13-2009, 10:01 AM	#284
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	well done noop __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

05-13-2009, 10:02 AM	#286
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	I totally didn;t see that, and I really, really like it. Good job Noop __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-13-2009, 10:03 AM	#287
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Yeah good pick noop

05-13-2009, 10:04 AM	#288
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I just hope Judge Dredd makes it to my pick

05-13-2009, 10:05 AM	#289
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Heh __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-13-2009, 10:11 AM	#290
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	C'Mon BK. I'm ready as soon as you go. Boom. One-two, one-two __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-13-2009, 10:12 AM	#291
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	I've got 6 picks in the hopper. One of them needs to last till my next one, dammit.

05-13-2009, 10:13 AM	#292
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	I just hope Bk doesn't take the one i want, but unlike DT, I have a backup __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent Last edited by Abe Sargent : 05-13-2009 at 10:13 AM.

05-13-2009, 10:13 AM	#293
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I'm drafting as I go, I have not come up with a list for each spot yet. Maybe later today.

05-13-2009, 10:34 AM	#294
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Ok. The air cateogry has completely flummoxed me. I can't come up with a name of anyone that someone might have heard of that isn't German or American. Not wanting to lose America, I'm making my pick. I'm guessing this is going to be a Jim Brown sort of pick where others give me all sorts of ideas I didn't think about. However, many of the famous pilots weren't military pilots and that didn't seem in keeping with the draft. I select John Glenn - Air Chief Glenn, in adition to being the third person to orbit Earth, was a top notch test pilot, even helping to break the sonic barrier. In his later life he became a US Senator. Glenn would have both the political and practical expertise to make sure this nation had a superior air ability.

05-13-2009, 10:34 AM	#295
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Forgot to mention, he's United States 20th Century. Last edited by Barkeep49 : 05-13-2009 at 10:34 AM.

05-13-2009, 10:35 AM	#296
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	kickass - way to go john glenn! __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

05-13-2009, 10:35 AM	#297
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Marco Polo, Chief Diplomat, Italy, Pre-20th __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-13-2009, 10:37 AM	#299
Surtt College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2003	2.11 Napoleon Bonaparte, Army Chief, France, pre-20th __________________ “The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.” United States Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis