Mass Shooting at Theater In Denver Area (Dark Knight) - Page 6

Fidatelo · 07-24-2012, 11:01 AM

I'm pretty sure in that situation I would just flatten myself to the floor by my seat and hope for the best. Unless I was with my wife and kids, then I'd try to flatten them under me or the seat and hope for the best.

bhlloy · 07-24-2012, 11:14 AM

It also strikes me reading this thread and the comments by that jackhole in AZ that we might be being a little unfair - who is to say some of the dead or injured didn't try to rush him and got blown away trying? In the chaos I'm sure nobody would notice who was running where and what their intentions were. In a theater your options would be either go over the seats or into the aisle which would pretty much make you a sitting duck.

I also notice that a disproportionate number (3 or 4?) of the deceased were servicemen, who would generally be the ones trained to go after the shooter. Just because nobody succeeded in taking this guy down doesn't mean that nobody tried

Chief Rum · 07-24-2012, 11:20 AM

Fight or flight is a very powerful instinct. And fight is almost never an option until you're cornered.

It's hard to train your mind to be aggressive in these situations.

Ksyrup · 07-24-2012, 11:21 AM

Especially when it's almost always a once-in-a-lifetime situation you would find yourself in.

Drake · 07-24-2012, 11:37 AM

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Especially when it's almost always a once-in-a-lifetime situation you would find yourself in.

Tell that to Jean Claude Van Damme.

Drake · 07-24-2012, 11:43 AM

For the record, that post broke the record for "Consecutive Weeks without a Reference to Jean Claude Van Damme -- anywhere, any time, in any medium."

My apologies for bringing the streak to an end.

Chief Rum · 07-24-2012, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Drake

For the record, that post broke the record for "Consecutive Weeks without a Reference to Jean Claude Van Damme -- anywhere, any time, in any medium."

My apologies for bringing the streak to an end.

Don't beat yourself up about it. At some point, JCVD himself would have noticed the lack of mention and made moves to correct that.

JediKooter · 07-24-2012, 11:50 AM

I love Timecop!

Chief Rum · 07-24-2012, 11:57 AM

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I love Timecop!

Only because you get to see Mia Sara's chi-chis.

Scoobz0202 · 07-24-2012, 12:37 PM

Radio interview with somebody who was shot three times. He was very detailed on what he saw. Very heavy stuff.

hxxp://www2.alice1059.com/listen/slacker-and-steve-interview-pierce-ofarrill-723

bhlloy · 07-24-2012, 12:41 PM

At the time I remember thinking "thank god he didn't have access to grenades or other explosives".

Now reading that he rigged up 30 home made grenades at his apartment I think we can be very thankful he didn't use those in the theater. I can't imagine how destructive and devastating that would have been tossed into an unsuspecting packed movie theater. Very scary thought

Ksyrup · 07-24-2012, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

At the time I remember thinking "thank god he didn't have access to grenades or other explosives".

Now reading that he rigged up 30 home made grenades at his apartment I think we can be very thankful he didn't use those in the theater. I can't imagine how destructive and devastating that would have been tossed into an unsuspecting packed movie theater. Very scary thought

Just a guess, but that seems to suggest he wanted a more direct and personal attachment to the massacre by using the guns and shooting people, rather than slipping in through the exit, disorienting them with smoke or tear gas, and then lobbing 2-3 grenades and running out the door.

JediKooter · 07-24-2012, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Only because you get to see Mia Sara's chi-chis.

That's the only part of the movie I've ever seen.

Rizon · 07-24-2012, 06:12 PM

Batman actor Christian Bale visiting victims of shooting

digamma · 07-24-2012, 09:22 PM

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Failing all this, If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them...maybe you can hire The A-Team.

Much better than I could have done. Awesome.

And as an aside (nothing to do with your post), my brother was one brave kid.

Drake · 07-24-2012, 11:03 PM

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Batman actor Christian Bale visiting victims of shooting

You know, I think this was a laudable, humane gesture on Bale's part, but I have to wonder if he consulted with the psychiatric team before showing up. I'd imagine at least some of those victims have a bit of PTSD that would be triggered by anything Batman related at this stage in their recovery.

It's one of those weird situations where I think his heart was in the right place and it says a ton of good things about his character (when he's not screaming at light guys)...but I have mixed feelings about it.

Matthean · 07-24-2012, 11:19 PM

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You know, I think this was a laudable, humane gesture on Bale's part, but I have to wonder if he consulted with the psychiatric team before showing up. I'd imagine at least some of those victims have a bit of PTSD that would be triggered by anything Batman related at this stage in their recovery.

It's one of those weird situations where I think his heart was in the right place and it says a ton of good things about his character (when he's not screaming at light guys)...but I have mixed feelings about it.

There has been a movement on social networking sites to have him do this in his Batman outfit. Nice to sanity prevail.

Ksyrup · 07-25-2012, 07:06 AM

Wasn't he in some horror movie as a crazy killer, too?

Matthean · 07-25-2012, 09:23 AM

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Wasn't he in some horror movie as a crazy killer, too?

American Psycho

stevew · 07-25-2012, 09:35 AM

Bale also famously played a psycho in real life on that one set.

Fidatelo · 07-25-2012, 12:22 PM

He also went off on his mother and sister to the point that his sister reported him to the police.

molson · 07-25-2012, 12:24 PM

I don't think I'd want an actor visiting me in the hospital unless I was 8 years old or something. Though I'm sure he meant well.

muns · 07-25-2012, 01:13 PM

EXCLUSIVE: Movie massacre suspect sent chilling notebook to psychiatrist before attack | Fox News

Keeps getting worse.

sterlingice · 07-25-2012, 01:29 PM

I've always wondered this, not being a psychiatrist and all: how often does stuff like that happen. You know, stuff that makes you go "hm... this person is not in a good place"? I have to think that happens daily to most psychiatrists, right? Their job is to treat people will real mental illness. But not all go out and "go nuts"- in fact, most live normal, productive lives.

SI

molson · 07-25-2012, 01:53 PM

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EXCLUSIVE: Movie massacre suspect sent chilling notebook to psychiatrist before attack | Fox News

Keeps getting worse.

The other interesting tidbit there is it sounds like he was surprised by the police when he went out to his car after his gun jammed. I wonder if being taken alive wasn't part of the plan.

JediKooter · 07-25-2012, 03:10 PM

And here we go. Someone let the ambulance chasers out of their cages: In wake of tragedy, lawyers step in: Colorado shooting survivor plans suit, says publicist | The Lookout - Yahoo! News

kingfc22 · 07-25-2012, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JediKooter

And here we go. Someone let the ambulance chasers out of their cages: In wake of tragedy, lawyers step in: Colorado shooting survivor plans suit, says publicist | The Lookout - Yahoo! News

It's definitely sad what happened, but this is ridiculous. In what shape or form is this the theater's fault? Are we going to require undercover US Marshalls now for each moving showing? Do we need to ban midnight showings?

JediKooter · 07-25-2012, 03:27 PM

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It's definitely sad what happened, but this is ridiculous. In what shape or form is this the theater's fault? Are we going to require undercover US Marshalls now for each moving showing? Do we need to ban midnight showings?

Exactly. Nowhere in the article did it say they were suing the gun manufacturers (which I think has been tried in the past unsuccessfully), or the companies that sold the ammunition or anything to do with the weapons or clothing used in the crime.

Nope. Lets sue the movie theater because an alarm didn't go off and Warner Bros for making violent movies. Fuck, why don't they also sue the manufacturer of the vehicle that he used to drive to the theater? Sue the gas station that allowed him to put gas in his vehicle. Sue the bank where he deposited his money and then withdrew it to pay for his arsenal. Sue the state and city for building roads that allowed him to be able to get to the theater. Sue his parents for conceiving him. I'm sure there's some ambulance chaser out there that could come up with plenty of other things to sue for other than the person actually responsible for the whole thing.

bronconick · 07-25-2012, 03:31 PM

Why would a door that is used to allow the theater to clear out faster (that every theater I've been to has) after the movie ends have an alarm attached?

God, I hope that goes nowhere.

Edit: You're going to sue Warner Bros. for making a "too-violent" movie that your client paid to see.

Fuck you, sir.

Matthean · 07-25-2012, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JediKooter

And here we go. Someone let the ambulance chasers out of their cages: In wake of tragedy, lawyers step in: Colorado shooting survivor plans suit, says publicist | The Lookout - Yahoo! News

The theater were I saw the film didn't have emergency exits either and the doors could be freely opened.

JediKooter · 07-25-2012, 03:48 PM

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The theater were I saw the film didn't have emergency exits either and the doors could be freely opened.

Opened from both sides? I'm assuming those doors act as emergency exits when the situation arises.

stevew · 07-25-2012, 03:50 PM

I do wonder how someone gets shot in a theatre like this, and then gets handed a 2 million dollar hospital bill. That just doesn't remotely seem fair at all.

JediKooter · 07-25-2012, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

I do wonder how someone gets shot in a theatre like this, and then gets handed a 2 million dollar hospital bill. That just doesn't remotely seem fair at all.

It isn't fair and that shouldn't happen. Any insurance or property or anything of value that the guilty party has, is what should be paying for it.

stevew · 07-25-2012, 03:57 PM

here was the link-

Colorado shooting victim remains in ICU as wife gives birth to first child | The Lookout - Yahoo! News

I doubt the fucknut that did this has 2 million dollars. I'm assuming the facility in question will settle this for a penny or two on the dollar. But still, 2million dollars? Does the government end up retiring all these bills or something?

molson · 07-25-2012, 04:02 PM

The general relief fund for the victims reached $2 million this morning, you can donate to that here:

Giving First

And the guy whose bills may total $2 million has his own donation page that's raised $200k last I heard:

Please give Caleb Medley your support

Matthean · 07-25-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JediKooter

Opened from both sides? I'm assuming those doors act as emergency exits when the situation arises.

Neither were labeled as such. Movie ended and people went outside.

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Originally Posted by stevew

I do wonder how someone gets shot in a theatre like this, and then gets handed a 2 million dollar hospital bill. That just doesn't remotely seem fair at all.

Maybe they can go see Obama for help.

sterlingice · 07-25-2012, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JediKooter

And here we go. Someone let the ambulance chasers out of their cages: In wake of tragedy, lawyers step in: Colorado shooting survivor plans suit, says publicist | The Lookout - Yahoo! News

The money quote: "We're going to make sure whoever is accountable is going to take responsibility for this tragedy,"

Now, I'm not a legal expert but I'm going to go with "nutjob shooting people" as being responsible for the tragedy for 200, Alex.

SI

britrock88 · 07-26-2012, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

I've always wondered this, not being a psychiatrist and all: how often does stuff like that happen. You know, stuff that makes you go "hm... this person is not in a good place"? I have to think that happens daily to most psychiatrists, right? Their job is to treat people will real mental illness. But not all go out and "go nuts"- in fact, most live normal, productive lives.

SI

Article makes it look like the package with the evidence of guy's intentions to kill people never got to the psychiatrist, and languished in the CU mailroom until police came across it.

More generally, though, as for psychological worker's professional duties with respect to patients that talk about committing crimes/violence...
The general legal rule is that clinicians with serious concerns that a client may imminently harm himself or others must warn possible victims as an exception to the general rule of confidentiality. The clinician may notify law enforcement in order to try to reduce the risk of the danger.

tl;dr - an important professional judgment on the part of the shrink, but when s/he's pretty sure that a client is going to harm others, s/he should tell any identified potential victims and the police.

Eaglesfan27 · 07-26-2012, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by britrock88

Article makes it look like the package with the evidence of guy's intentions to kill people never got to the psychiatrist, and languished in the CU mailroom until police came across it.

More generally, though, as for psychological worker's professional duties with respect to patients that talk about committing crimes/violence...
The general legal rule is that clinicians with serious concerns that a client may imminently harm himself or others must warn possible victims as an exception to the general rule of confidentiality. The clinician may notify law enforcement in order to try to reduce the risk of the danger.

tl;dr - an important professional judgment on the part of the shrink, but when s/he's pretty sure that a client is going to harm others, s/he should tell any identified potential victims and the police.

The Tarasoff Rule. A duty to warn and protect (usually by notifying police and/or hospitalizing the patient.)

JediKooter · 07-26-2012, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

Neither were labeled as such. Movie ended and people went outside.

Ahhh ok. I need to look next time I go to the movies and see. I seem to remember the green 'EXIT' signs above the doors.

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

The money quote: "We're going to make sure whoever is accountable is going to take responsibility for this tragedy,"

Now, I'm not a legal expert but I'm going to go with "nutjob shooting people" as being responsible for the tragedy for 200, Alex.

SI

Yup. With a quote like that, it makes me wonder if he was the lead investigator in trying to find who really killed Ron and Nicole.

Rizon · 07-26-2012, 11:26 AM

Aurora heroes: Three who gave their lives - CNN.com

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Great evil often brings out the best in good men, men like Todd Beamer on Flight 93, Medal of Honor recipient Michael Murphy in Afghanistan and now the Aurora three -- the three young men, each in different parts of theater nine, who gave their lives to protect their girlfriends.

Matthean · 07-26-2012, 11:35 AM

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Aurora heroes: Three who gave their lives - CNN.com

Who wants to be the next dude to date them. "Oh yeah, well my last boyfriend died trying to save my life."

JediKooter · 07-26-2012, 12:33 PM

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Who wants to be the next dude to date them. "Oh yeah, well my last boyfriend died trying to save my life."

I think you would just have play a little quid pro quo on that.

Matthean · 07-27-2012, 10:43 AM

Stay classy Dane Cook.

Dane Cook uses theater shooting in LA comedy routine [VIDEO] | The Daily Caller

BYU 14 · 07-27-2012, 12:41 PM

Gotta love the Nuge weighing in with the Theater should have been armed comments.

Nothing like a huge crossfire to reduce casualties, brilliant as always Ted.

Ted Nugent: 'Dark Knight' audience should have been armed - msnbc.com Entertainment

Matthean · 07-27-2012, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU 14

Gotta love the Nuge weighing in with the Theater should have been armed comments.

Nothing like a huge crossfire to reduce casualties, brilliant as always Ted.

Ted Nugent: 'Dark Knight' audience should have been armed - msnbc.com Entertainment

I guess I had thought he had used assault weapons. I do think you have to wonder if the killer would have gone into a theater knowing even half of the people were packing.

Easy Mac · 07-27-2012, 02:05 PM

Just think if the audience had the opportunity to carry nukes, he wouldn't even have thought about going in there.

hollmt · 07-27-2012, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

Stay classy Dane Cook.

Dane Cook uses theater shooting in LA comedy routine [VIDEO] | The Daily Caller

how about the "classy" audience who laughed out loud and screamed in appreciation for the joke? granted, Cook made the joke, but dont single only him out for being classless when the people in the audience are a bunch of fucking sheep giggling like school girls...

JediKooter · 07-27-2012, 02:41 PM

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how about the "classy" audience who laughed out loud and screamed in appreciation for the joke? granted, Cook made the joke, but dont single only him out for being classless when the people in the audience are a bunch of fucking sheep giggling like school girls...

The audience was probably full of Phillies fans...

Lathum · 07-27-2012, 02:45 PM

I generally am a fan of Dane Cook, but that is pretty horrible.

07-24-2012, 11:01 AM	#251
Fidatelo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Winnipeg, MB	I'm pretty sure in that situation I would just flatten myself to the floor by my seat and hope for the best. Unless I was with my wife and kids, then I'd try to flatten them under me or the seat and hope for the best. __________________ "Breakfast? Breakfast schmekfast, look at the score for God's sake. It's only the second period and I'm winning 12-2. Breakfasts come and go, Rene, but Hartford, the Whale, they only beat Vancouver maybe once or twice in a lifetime."

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Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Fight or flight is a very powerful instinct. And fight is almost never an option until you're cornered. It's hard to train your mind to be aggressive in these situations. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

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Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Especially when it's almost always a once-in-a-lifetime situation you would find yourself in. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

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Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Wasn't he in some horror movie as a crazy killer, too? __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

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bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	It also strikes me reading this thread and the comments by that jackhole in AZ that we might be being a little unfair - who is to say some of the dead or injured didn't try to rush him and got blown away trying? In the chaos I'm sure nobody would notice who was running where and what their intentions were. In a theater your options would be either go over the seats or into the aisle which would pretty much make you a sitting duck. I also notice that a disproportionate number (3 or 4?) of the deceased were servicemen, who would generally be the ones trained to go after the shooter. Just because nobody succeeded in taking this guy down doesn't mean that nobody tried

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Drake assmaster Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bloomington, IN	For the record, that post broke the record for "Consecutive Weeks without a Reference to Jean Claude Van Damme -- anywhere, any time, in any medium." My apologies for bringing the streak to an end.

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Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	Radio interview with somebody who was shot three times. He was very detailed on what he saw. Very heavy stuff. hxxp://www2.alice1059.com/listen/slacker-and-steve-interview-pierce-ofarrill-723

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bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	At the time I remember thinking "thank god he didn't have access to grenades or other explosives". Now reading that he rigged up 30 home made grenades at his apartment I think we can be very thankful he didn't use those in the theater. I can't imagine how destructive and devastating that would have been tossed into an unsuspecting packed movie theater. Very scary thought

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stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Bale also famously played a psycho in real life on that one set.

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molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	I don't think I'd want an actor visiting me in the hospital unless I was 8 years old or something. Though I'm sure he meant well.

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muns Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Baltimore MD	EXCLUSIVE: Movie massacre suspect sent chilling notebook to psychiatrist before attack \| Fox News Keeps getting worse.

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bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	Why would a door that is used to allow the theater to clear out faster (that every theater I've been to has) after the movie ends have an alarm attached? God, I hope that goes nowhere. Edit: You're going to sue Warner Bros. for making a "too-violent" movie that your client paid to see. Fuck you, sir. Last edited by bronconick : 07-25-2012 at 03:35 PM.

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stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I do wonder how someone gets shot in a theatre like this, and then gets handed a 2 million dollar hospital bill. That just doesn't remotely seem fair at all.

07-25-2012, 03:57 PM	#284
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	here was the link- Colorado shooting victim remains in ICU as wife gives birth to first child \| The Lookout - Yahoo! News I doubt the fucknut that did this has 2 million dollars. I'm assuming the facility in question will settle this for a penny or two on the dollar. But still, 2million dollars? Does the government end up retiring all these bills or something?

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molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	The general relief fund for the victims reached $2 million this morning, you can donate to that here: Giving First And the guy whose bills may total $2 million has his own donation page that's raised $200k last I heard: Please give Caleb Medley your support

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Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Just think if the audience had the opportunity to carry nukes, he wouldn't even have thought about going in there.

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