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Decent enough finish I thought,although I agree with a comment I saw from one blogger who said he felt like we'd really just watched an extended pilot instead of a season. A darned good pilot with tons of promise, but where we end up next remains to be seen.
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12-05-2010, 11:09 PM | #252 |
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I thought the finale was ok but not as good as the two episodes which preceded it.
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re: samifan spoiler -- Fits into the whole "not really thinking clearly all the time" aspect we've discussed here.
Meanwhile, in the suspension-of-disbelief category, I'll just say that I love their great choice in parking spaces & proximity to the building
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I guess I can go along with that explanation but it did cause me to stop and think about the logic while watching. The writing has been very uneven all season. Too bad the season was so short.
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Opening scene was probably the best 5 minutes of the show so far. Extremely intense.
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My biggest suspension of belief again came down to the concept of gas being scarce. Jenner's melodramatic screaming to the sky about the foolishness of our dependence on fossil fuels might've made some sense if he was alone, talking to himself, but with all his new friends there, I would've amended my speech to something along the lines of "Hey, you guys should go get me some gas, so this place doesn't blow up and kill us all."
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Oh, yeah, this, too, but I forgot about this as soon as the grenade came along.
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I don't think it's that much of a reach to say that gas ran out after over a month off the grid with no refils, refining, or transportation being available.
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I had no issue with this. Jenner was a broken man at this point. He had pretty much given up. He killed his wife and promised her that he would do everything he could to find a cure and not make her death useless like so many others. She was brilliant and he was going to make sure he could make her proud, make her death meaningful. He fucked up. A stupid mistake on his part led to the de-contamination of the room and the destruction of all of the samples. You take his wife's death, everything that had happened, his failure pile it all up and he clearly wasn't in his right mind. He was ready to die. He wanted to die. He thought that would be the best fate for Rick and his crew as well. He wasn't in "Mad Max" mode anymore. He didn't care about the sweet, precious juice. He didn't care about keeping the CDC up and running. He wanted out. He wanted to end the pain. Quick and simple. He thought he was doing these people a favor by offering them a quick, painless escape from the hell and misery they were living in. He also didn't think that he could open the front and wasn't aware they had the grenade. So, yeah, if he were still sane and in "survival mode", I could see this being a big "suspension of disbelief" moment, but given where he was mentally and emotionally, not at all.
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They don't seem to have any trouble with it - they've been driving back and forth to Atlanta throughout the show, in all kinds of vehicles, with no trouble. Clearly they are getting it from somewhere. |
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While they could get gas by siphoning off of other cars, how would Jenner go out and get gas by himself, even if he wanted to, which, as explained above, I don't think he had much interest in after the last samples of his wife were destroyed. While I am no expert at all on "gas", do we even know that the gas they use in cars would have been able to run the generator? Perhaps it's some special compound or something.
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Definitely, it could be some kind of fuel oil or something. I don't think we're asking for much here - just the idea that someone would think of it. It wouldn't even have to be Jenner - once they found the empty drums having one of the survivors say "Maybe we could get some more gas" would be enough for me. The reason it's so immersion-breaking is that no one even considered it, even though there would have to be gas stations within a couple miles. |
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Considering they were completely freaked by the need to avoid being outside until they faced becoming crispy critters, my impression is that the zombie horde is considerably larger & more active in the area surrounding the CDC than the handful of extras we've been shown. And with 30 minutes left on the clock, I really don't see any way they could have gotten out, avoided being eaten, found gas, siphoned gas, avoided the shuffling dead, and bought themselves another hour.
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The gas thing doesn't bug me at all because Jenner screwed them by not letting them know until there was less than an hour left.
By that time, they were hungover, would have had to figure out what type of fuel, find containers (large enough to meaningfully extend their time), find enough fuel on the outside (while dodging zombies), a way to transport them (full of fuel) down to the basement, and then figure out how to get their new fuel running through the system. I think my reaction would have been to get the fuck out, rather than try to pull that off in 59 minutes or less. If Jenner had told them the night before that it was imperative for them to get up early and find fuel and they react the way they did, then you have a plot hole, in my opinion. Last edited by Swaggs : 12-06-2010 at 10:14 AM. |
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Why did he get ready to shoot himself in the head in the last episode when the he knew the whole thing was going to explode in less than 24 hours?
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Also, they were eating dinner before Jim got bit. Given the time the sun sets in atlanta in July, that places their eating around 10 pm or so. The next day, they were caravaning out to Atlanta some time after the sun rose (seemingly a while after). That would mean that it took Jim well over 8 hours to turn, which would destroy the doc's estimation of 3 min to 8 hours.
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Yeah, it would. I think they were right to have Jenner say that the re-animation time varied so wildly. Gives them plenty of room to play with and can ratchet up the tension at any time. While I tend to be pretty forgiving, the one thing that does bother me is the fact that they are driving so many different cars. It looked like at the end of the show, their caravan had at least 4 and I believe it was 5 different vehicles. With gas obviously being an issue, if not now, definitely later, why have 5 cars, including one massive RV, for so few people? I understand the desire to have at least one, perhaps two, other cars than the rickety old RV, but 5? Oh well. Small nits. It definitely doesn't detract that much from the show. I really enjoy it and can't believe I have to wait 10 months or so until the next episode. Bummer.
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Ah, that is right. That was the re-animation time and we never saw Jim die. The only person we saw die and re-animate was Amy and that seemed to fit within the 8 hour time frame.
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Before the CDC opened it's doors and the group was in a panic as to what to do, it was mentioned that there gas supply was very low. They didn't have enough gas to get to Fort Benning. They also took all the gas from the mustang because there was a great need. Rick had to use a horse because gas was out everywhere he looked. Of course as was mentioned, having 5 cars when 1 or 2 would suffice causes me to raise an eyebrow. I'm thinking some of the people wanted independance from the group if needed. Or the director liked a shot of a lot of cars leaving the CDC. |
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Even if they're stuck only siphoning gas off vehicles, and suggesting that it's tough to find in bulk, there's just as many suggestions that there is still plenty to go around. The shot with Rick approaching Atlanta on horseback also had thousands of outbound vehicles heading in the other direction. Those vehicles obviously had gas when they started, and I can't imagine everybody involved left their engines and AC running. Likewise, as someone else noted, if gas is in short supply, everybody getting to drive their own choice of wildly inefficient vehicles manufactured in the '80s presents it's own problems of disbelief.
Hell, that generator was running off of a 55 gallon fuel drum, and every tank they pass by represents about 500 gallons of fuel. ...wouldn't know where you could find one (or two) of those, though... As mentioned above, I'd buy just about any excuse for why the doc was ready to die and/or ignore the fuel supply, but there's no discernible reason why one of Rick's crew shouldn't have at least asked about the possibility.
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Other than the fact that once they realized that there was no gas left and what would happen when the clock expired there was about 30 minutes left. As noted above, it'd pretty much be impossible to get out there, get enough gas, avoid zombies, get back, get it back down to the generator room and hook it up. Sure, I guess someone could have had a throw away line like, "Can't we just go out and get more gas for it?" and then have someone else shoot it down for the blatantly obvious reasons, but they had some more pressing matters to attend to like, getting Jenner - who had made up his mind that, like Roy Batty, it was "time to die" - to even open that door in the first place. Quote:
Again, assuming that (1) the tanks have any gas left in them and (2) that the gas that runs the tanks would run the generator.
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Realistically, with under an hour to complete the task, how long do you think it would take to get one 55-gallon (gasoline weighs about 6 lbs per gallon according to my google research) syphoned and carried downstairs and set up while fighting off zombies (and waiting for the drum to fill from the syphon)?
You have 3-4 pretty healthy, fit guys and then Glen and the older guy to carry the drum (which probably weighs close to 400 lbs between the gas and drum), probably only 2-3 can handle it at a time based on its size (not sure if it has handles), and several of them or the women will have to shoot at the zombies. Maybe there is a hand truck/dolly or cart that can lift 400 lbs somewhere, but it still isn't going to be easy to handle it. I don't see why so many people think it is such a slam dunk that folks could pull this off in under an hour. Again, if Jenner had told them the situation the night before or early that morning, it would be worth trying, but not with the time given and knowing that you get de-atomized if you fail. |
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Did T-Dog ever get a proper name? Also, did I miss a relationship between T-Dog and the black woman who stayed behind? It sounded like she called him "honey" or "dear" or something similar when the group were leaving the main room. Did I just miss the fact that they were in a relationship?
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I had assumed he turns into Tyreese (or assumes much of that character's role from the comics) but some Googling seems to indicate a strong belief that isn't going to be the case.
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No, T-Dog is still T-Dog. I don't think they had a relationship. She was always portrayed as being pretty maternal. She was the one primarily taking care of Jim when he was sick, she was rubbing Glenn's back when he had a headache, etc. She had a caregiver personality and I think just calling T-Dog "honey" or "dear" was just an extension of that. I am sure they bonded along the way.
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Any thoughts on what Jenner whispered in Rick's ear? I'm kind of assuming there was likely video evidence of how Shane got those scratches that Jenner was privy to. The bigger question (if I'm right there) is whether or not there was the accompanying audio to supply the back story or if that looked like it could have been a first/one time situation.
That or it could be totally unrelated to any of the main characters and be some sort of hint on where to go next, etc, but I'm leaning more towards a character confrontation setup.
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I think that's a good guess. My first thoughts, and I haven't read the comics so I'm just guessing, was that it had something to do with the virus or whatever it is that causes zombies. Something along the lines of, "Eventually it'll go airborne." Your guess is better...
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My guess was that he directed them toward another location, or offered some other guidance on their next move that will set up the next conflict among the core group. My other guess is that Andrea is infected but that it's some sort of dormant strain or something along those lines.
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Actually, I think this is it, but I don't think it's Andrea, though that would make sense. I think it could be Lori, which could make the baby Shane's. Awkward!
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I was wondering if Andrea was infected, too, but then Jenner said all the blood screens came back negative for the virus.
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FWIW the CDC story line completely departs from the comic so it's anyone's guess there.
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Loved that the grenade came back!!!!!!!!!!! I had that complaint as a joke after every episode since the first one (where he got it). I wanna see zombies being blowned up!!! And then all of a sudden, grenade! Hahaha, that was awesome.
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1. The blond is infected. 2. Rick's wife is preggers. 3. Rick is somehow oddly infected, and he's been zed since the beginning, just very differently.
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Hoping they sign Norman Reedus as a cast regular for next season. Between him and the old guy, that's the only real acting they've got in this show. The guy who plays Shane sucks, Lori sucks, Rick is ok. Well, time to stop thinking about this for 9 months.
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12-07-2010, 08:34 AM | #300 |
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The premise of this show, and thus the overall story, is so strong that it overcame a lot of little issues that popped up during the six episodes. I mean, the part where Shane was drinking in the shower made the group I watched with laugh which I don't think was the intent. It was just so damn melodramatic the way it was contrasted with Rick and Lori's shower.
I worry that as the show goes on, the novelty wears off, and the holes just bigger. Still hoping that doesn't happen and anxiously waiting for next season.
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