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The Jackal · 03-31-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

OK, something doesn't add up.

You claimed you followed Packerfanatic, yet the role states you will know what the person you followed is doing. The way I read the role you would have to have followed the killer. It just seems to powerfull a role otherwise.

You have 10 people to follow, if you select either the killer or the victim you will identify the killer? Plus we have a seer and a BG, seems a tad unbalanced.

Why the hell would I false reveal as a wolf at this point? It really makes no sense. You can take up the rules with the moderator after the game - yes, I was very lucky to choose a person involved in the night kill, but isn't that what you hope for on a N1 scan?

Lathum · 03-31-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Since I was following PF, I saw what happened to him. That's usually how I've seen spy roles work.

thats not what the rules say.

The rules clearly say you will see what the person you are following is doing.

Lathum · 03-31-2009, 01:35 PM

Question for Clap

when the wolves submit a night kill do they need to specify who is doing the kill?

The Jackal · 03-31-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

thats not what the rules say.

The rules clearly say you will see what the person you are following is doing.

Yeah, I saw what he was doing. He was getting killed.

I'm going to be extremely annoyed if this BS leads to you not believing me.

When have we had spy roles where when you spied on the person getting killed, you don't see what happens? It doesn't make sense in any way.

The Jackal · 03-31-2009, 01:38 PM

Either Lathum is a wolf trying to save Schmidty or he's very confused. I tend to think he's not a wolf, but I wouldn't be surprised.

I understand trying to confirm how the roles work, but even looking beyond that, you should be able to see that this was a villager reveal in both the timing and manner of reveal.

Lathum · 03-31-2009, 01:40 PM

So you are telling me we have a role in the game that can identify the killer AND a seer role?

claphamsa · 03-31-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Question for Clap

when the wolves submit a night kill do they need to specify who is doing the kill?

yes... the rules say they need to designate a killer

i would quote it, but im not that tech savvy!

The Jackal · 03-31-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

So you are telling me we have a role in the game that can identify the killer AND a seer role?

I don't know what would happen if I followed the seer while he scanned someone.

Passacaglia · 03-31-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

So you are telling me we have a role in the game that can identify the killer AND a seer role?

Yes, but that part isn't even up for debate. The argument going on now is whether the role that can identify the killer can do it by spying on the victim as well as the killer.

Lathum · 03-31-2009, 01:45 PM

another reason I tend to believe Schmidty is we started with 11 people, 2 we know are villagers.

That leaves 9.

Of that 9 there is the seer and BG who would be doing something at night. That leaves 7.

There would also be at least one wolf.

That leaves 6.

There would be the stray.

That leaves 5.

Now I know I am an ordinary villager, so that helps Schmidtys case IMO. Had I been the seer or BG I would have never believed Schmidty, but I was indeed doing nothing last night.

Lathum · 03-31-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Yes, but that part isn't even up for debate. The argument going on now is whether the role that can identify the killer can do it by spying on the victim as well as the killer.

well thats my point, seems a tad unbalanced IMO

Lathum · 03-31-2009, 01:46 PM

dola- I will say I am having trouble wrapping my brain around why Jackal would come out with this.

Passacaglia · 03-31-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

another reason I tend to believe Schmidty is we started with 11 people, 2 we know are villagers.

That leaves 9.

Of that 9 there is the seer and BG who would be doing something at night. That leaves 7.

There would also be at least one wolf.

That leaves 6.

There would be the stray.

That leaves 5.

Now I know I am an ordinary villager, so that helps Schmidtys case IMO. Had I been the seer or BG I would have never believed Schmidty, but I was indeed doing nothing last night.

Okay, I understand the last sentence -- if Schmidty was wrong about you, you would have known he was lying -- but what's up with the counting?

The Jackal · 03-31-2009, 01:48 PM

You're gonna look terrible after this sequence if you keep defending Schmidty, Lathum. And if you're a villager you're going to not want to waste a future lynch of you by protecting Schmidty now.

Move aside from the way the role works for a second.. why in god's name would I reveal as the stray if I were a wolf right here?

The Jackal · 03-31-2009, 01:50 PM

Listen, I've laid out my argument. If you want to believe a counter-reveal on day 2 because the game seems unbalanced.. man.

Lathum · 03-31-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Okay, I understand the last sentence -- if Schmidty was wrong about you, you would have known he was lying -- but what's up with the counting?

basicly schmidty has a 50/50 shot if he is lying about who he scanned and why.

If I was in schmidtys shoes, I would have said I followed Jackal and Jackal saw me looking at him as he did the kill or some variation of that.

Schmidty saying he followed me doesn't give him much leverage if he is faking, and knowing schmidty he is being honest.

I just trust Schmidty right now

Lathum · 03-31-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Move aside from the way the role works for a second.. why in god's name would I reveal as the stray if I were a wolf right here?

thats what I am trying to determine

Passacaglia · 03-31-2009, 01:54 PM

Have we determined that there's no cultist role in this game?

The Jackal · 03-31-2009, 01:54 PM

Well you've got about 23 hours, have fun.

Lathum · 03-31-2009, 01:54 PM

dola- I also think it is strange to come out with this now, you were in no real danger of being lynched, so why not see where the day brings us instead of setting up a potential runaway and a wasted day where we get no info?

The Jackal · 03-31-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

dola- I also think it is strange to come out with this now, you were in no real danger of being lynched, so why not see where the day brings us instead of setting up a potential runaway and a wasted day where we get no info?

I considered it, and would've waited if we hadn't gone down 2-0. Yes, I could've slow played and tried to get Schmidty but I felt this was the best way. Obviously I was wrong.

The Jackal · 03-31-2009, 01:57 PM

Didn't care about making myself a night kill target since I'm not the seer, and though my role does get more useful as the players dwindle, I felt it was imperative we get a dog today for sure.

Abe Sargent · 03-31-2009, 02:13 PM

What motivation does The Jackal have for outing himself if he's a dog? I just don;t see it. What motivation does Schmidity have to lying? He's a doggie. I see it.

My vote is not moving barring the massively unusual.

Poli · 03-31-2009, 02:19 PM

VOTE SCHMIDTY

Though I'm not sure why Abe wanted to vote for me yesterday/today. Hmmph. Bitter about the last game?

Poli · 03-31-2009, 02:19 PM

Sorry, Dann-o. While I did cast the first vote, I had no idea you would be lynched for it.

Poli · 03-31-2009, 02:27 PM

FYI, my fellow kitten peoples, I have two friends from my Navy days coming in this week. One is here today and tomorrow, the other Thursday and Friday.

On top of that, I am on call this week for emergency service at work.

I totally didn't think about any of that before signing up. I don't perceive it will ruin my game playing. This is Poli after all, not that ragamuffin ardent enthusiast.

Abe Sargent · 03-31-2009, 02:29 PM

You can sail the seven seas!

Poli · 03-31-2009, 02:30 PM

I can no longer sail the seven seas, but I have.

Wog.

EagleFan · 03-31-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Yeah, I saw what he was doing. He was getting killed.

This deinitely got an LOL from me since it was the exact thought that popped in my head...

EagleFan · 03-31-2009, 06:11 PM

Hmm, a few early observations.

Why would Jackal reveal if he is a wolf? With that said, why choose PF to follow? The odds would also be 6 to 1 that he just happened to "out" the person who happened to be the stray.

If there are 3 wolves and we are down two already that makes it 6-3 and not a good start. If he is a wolf fake revealing it nets them a cat tomorrow and a kill in the evening (barring a BG save) and makes it 4-3 after that cycle. If Jackyl is the brutal it makes it 3-2 after the lynch of him and corresponding brutal kill and then 2-2 game over after the night cycle. THAT is a VERY good reason for a fake reveal.

Either way I think tonight the seer should scan Lathum.

If Schmidty turns out good we should focus on finding another wolf and wait on Jackal. If that happens the seer should scan Abe or Pass as we will know that Lathum is good since Schmidty would have just cleared him. Then the seer and BG should both reveal as well as the scan results as that builds a CoT with few options left to be the wolves and if we can get the other two wolves and leave Jackal for the last lynch (when it would be 2-1).

Lathum · 03-31-2009, 06:34 PM

I am certainly open to beinng scanned

EagleFan · 03-31-2009, 06:49 PM

If Schmidty is a wolf Lathum is the "cunning".

Passacaglia · 03-31-2009, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Hmm, a few early observations.

Why would Jackal reveal if he is a wolf? With that said, why choose PF to follow? The odds would also be 6 to 1 that he just happened to "out" the person who happened to be the stray.

If there are 3 wolves and we are down two already that makes it 6-3 and not a good start. If he is a wolf fake revealing it nets them a cat tomorrow and a kill in the evening (barring a BG save) and makes it 4-3 after that cycle. If Jackyl is the brutal it makes it 3-2 after the lynch of him and corresponding brutal kill and then 2-2 game over after the night cycle. THAT is a VERY good reason for a fake reveal.

Either way I think tonight the seer should scan Lathum.

If Schmidty turns out good we should focus on finding another wolf and wait on Jackal. If that happens the seer should scan Abe or Pass as we will know that Lathum is good since Schmidty would have just cleared him. Then the seer and BG should both reveal as well as the scan results as that builds a CoT with few options left to be the wolves and if we can get the other two wolves and leave Jackal for the last lynch (when it would be 2-1).

Do you mean the seer instead of Schmidty? Even if Schmidty is good, his scan doesn't clear Lathum -- Lathum could still be a wolf, just not the one chosen for the kill last night.

Passacaglia · 03-31-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

If Schmidty is a wolf Lathum is the "cunning".

What makes you say that?

Passacaglia · 03-31-2009, 06:53 PM

Anyway, I was going to say if Schmidty is a wolf, he's the brutal, since sending the brutal to make the kill is the obvious choice.

EagleFan · 03-31-2009, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Anyway, I was going to say if Schmidty is a wolf, he's the brutal, since sending the brutal to make the kill is the obvious choice.

Very likely true.

EagleFan · 03-31-2009, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

What makes you say that?

Schmidty is trying to get Lathum scanned. This way he can be scanned and "cleared".

EagleFan · 03-31-2009, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Do you mean the seer instead of Schmidty? Even if Schmidty is good, his scan doesn't clear Lathum -- Lathum could still be a wolf, just not the one chosen for the kill last night.

I was thinking incorrectly. You are right, him following Lathum tells us nothing of Lathum but that he didn't do the kill. That actually feels better for me since I thought that Lathum was a wolf no matter which of those two were telling the truth. I can go back to my original belief that Lathum and Abe are wolves.

Schmidty · 03-31-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

If Schmidty turns out good we should focus on finding another wolf and wait on Jackal.

So are you just going to totally blow off any chance I have? That would be really bad for us. I don't know why the Jackal did what he did, but I am telling the truth. I guess everyone will have to go on their gut on this one, but giving me the axe would be a huge waste.

EagleFan · 03-31-2009, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

So are you just going to totally blow off any chance I have? That would be really bad for us. I don't know why the Jackal did what he did, but I am telling the truth. I guess everyone will have to go on their gut on this one, but giving me the axe would be a huge waste.

I haven't voted yet. I am trying to weigh who I think is telling the truth.

Lathum · 03-31-2009, 08:21 PM

if
schmidty is a wolf and is busted why would he be so obvious about getting me cleared if i was also a wolf?

EagleFan · 03-31-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

if
schmidty is a wolf and is busted why would he be so obvious about getting me cleared if i was also a wolf?

If you're the cunning so you can be scanned as good.

EagleFan · 03-31-2009, 08:30 PM

dola: then you also seemed to be pretty quick to come in and vote Jackal even though you ask for both of them to give you their arguments in the post immediately before you vote for Jackal. Nothing like waiting for the rsponses.

The Jackal · 03-31-2009, 08:57 PM

Lathum did vote for me awful fast. At the time I brushed it aside because I knew I wasn't just going to be given a completely free pass - but he's clearly got some suspicion on him.

I stand by the timing of my reveal. Yes, I could have waited until the end of the day and "saw what shook out". I knew this wouldn't go to nightfall - and really, we've seen some interesting responses because of what I did. If Schmidty is the Brutal, come and get me wolfy.

EagleFan · 03-31-2009, 09:47 PM

It is interesting seeing what is taking place. I think I know who our three wolves are but I want to see what they have to say for the rest of this "day".

Granted this doesn't mean that I am right but I am getting strong pinging readings off some.

Lathum · 03-31-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

It is interesting seeing what is taking place. I think I know who our three wolves are but I want to see what they have to say for the rest of this "day".
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does it actualy say anywhere in the rules there are 3 wolves?

Lathum · 03-31-2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

If you're the cunning so you can be scanned as good.

I'm aware of that but it is such a transparent play. As a wolf I would be trying to cast suspiscoun on a villager if I am caught.

Lathum · 03-31-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

dola: then you also seemed to be pretty quick to come in and vote Jackal even though you ask for both of them to give you their arguments in the post immediately before you vote for Jackal. Nothing like waiting for the rsponses.

I think I was clear in stating I did that because I wanted to avoid a run away.

EagleFan · 03-31-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I think I was clear in stating I did that because I wanted to avoid a run away.

Then why even bother asking for input from Schmidty and Jackal in the previous thread? You ask for them to present their case and then vote without even giving time for their response?

Schmidty · 03-31-2009, 10:52 PM

I think it's interesting that EF is pushing toward Lathum, who I know at least did nothing last night, and also apparantly knows who every wolf is, but won't tell us (post 295).

03-31-2009, 02:13 PM	#273
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	What motivation does The Jackal have for outing himself if he's a dog? I just don;t see it. What motivation does Schmidity have to lying? He's a doggie. I see it. My vote is not moving barring the massively unusual. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

03-31-2009, 02:19 PM	#274
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	VOTE SCHMIDTY Though I'm not sure why Abe wanted to vote for me yesterday/today. Hmmph. Bitter about the last game? __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-31-2009, 02:19 PM	#275
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Sorry, Dann-o. While I did cast the first vote, I had no idea you would be lynched for it. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-31-2009, 02:27 PM	#276
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	FYI, my fellow kitten peoples, I have two friends from my Navy days coming in this week. One is here today and tomorrow, the other Thursday and Friday. On top of that, I am on call this week for emergency service at work. I totally didn't think about any of that before signing up. I don't perceive it will ruin my game playing. This is Poli after all, not that ragamuffin ardent enthusiast. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-31-2009, 02:29 PM	#277
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	You can sail the seven seas! __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

03-31-2009, 01:35 PM	#253
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Question for Clap when the wolves submit a night kill do they need to specify who is doing the kill?

03-31-2009, 01:38 PM	#255
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Either Lathum is a wolf trying to save Schmidty or he's very confused. I tend to think he's not a wolf, but I wouldn't be surprised. I understand trying to confirm how the roles work, but even looking beyond that, you should be able to see that this was a villager reveal in both the timing and manner of reveal.

03-31-2009, 01:40 PM	#256
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	So you are telling me we have a role in the game that can identify the killer AND a seer role?

03-31-2009, 01:45 PM	#260
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	another reason I tend to believe Schmidty is we started with 11 people, 2 we know are villagers. That leaves 9. Of that 9 there is the seer and BG who would be doing something at night. That leaves 7. There would also be at least one wolf. That leaves 6. There would be the stray. That leaves 5. Now I know I am an ordinary villager, so that helps Schmidtys case IMO. Had I been the seer or BG I would have never believed Schmidty, but I was indeed doing nothing last night.

03-31-2009, 01:46 PM	#262
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	dola- I will say I am having trouble wrapping my brain around why Jackal would come out with this.

03-31-2009, 01:48 PM	#264
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	You're gonna look terrible after this sequence if you keep defending Schmidty, Lathum. And if you're a villager you're going to not want to waste a future lynch of you by protecting Schmidty now. Move aside from the way the role works for a second.. why in god's name would I reveal as the stray if I were a wolf right here?

03-31-2009, 01:50 PM	#265
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Listen, I've laid out my argument. If you want to believe a counter-reveal on day 2 because the game seems unbalanced.. man.

03-31-2009, 01:54 PM	#268
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Have we determined that there's no cultist role in this game?

03-31-2009, 01:54 PM	#269
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Well you've got about 23 hours, have fun.

03-31-2009, 01:54 PM	#270
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	dola- I also think it is strange to come out with this now, you were in no real danger of being lynched, so why not see where the day brings us instead of setting up a potential runaway and a wasted day where we get no info?

03-31-2009, 01:57 PM	#272
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Didn't care about making myself a night kill target since I'm not the seer, and though my role does get more useful as the players dwindle, I felt it was imperative we get a dog today for sure.

03-31-2009, 02:30 PM	#278
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I can no longer sail the seven seas, but I have. Wog. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-31-2009, 06:11 PM	#280
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Hmm, a few early observations. Why would Jackal reveal if he is a wolf? With that said, why choose PF to follow? The odds would also be 6 to 1 that he just happened to "out" the person who happened to be the stray. If there are 3 wolves and we are down two already that makes it 6-3 and not a good start. If he is a wolf fake revealing it nets them a cat tomorrow and a kill in the evening (barring a BG save) and makes it 4-3 after that cycle. If Jackyl is the brutal it makes it 3-2 after the lynch of him and corresponding brutal kill and then 2-2 game over after the night cycle. THAT is a VERY good reason for a fake reveal. Either way I think tonight the seer should scan Lathum. If Schmidty turns out good we should focus on finding another wolf and wait on Jackal. If that happens the seer should scan Abe or Pass as we will know that Lathum is good since Schmidty would have just cleared him. Then the seer and BG should both reveal as well as the scan results as that builds a CoT with few options left to be the wolves and if we can get the other two wolves and leave Jackal for the last lynch (when it would be 2-1).

03-31-2009, 06:34 PM	#281
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I am certainly open to beinng scanned

03-31-2009, 06:49 PM	#282
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	If Schmidty is a wolf Lathum is the "cunning".

03-31-2009, 06:53 PM	#285
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Anyway, I was going to say if Schmidty is a wolf, he's the brutal, since sending the brutal to make the kill is the obvious choice.

03-31-2009, 08:21 PM	#291
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	if schmidty is a wolf and is busted why would he be so obvious about getting me cleared if i was also a wolf?

03-31-2009, 08:30 PM	#293
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	dola: then you also seemed to be pretty quick to come in and vote Jackal even though you ask for both of them to give you their arguments in the post immediately before you vote for Jackal. Nothing like waiting for the rsponses.

03-31-2009, 08:57 PM	#294
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Lathum did vote for me awful fast. At the time I brushed it aside because I knew I wasn't just going to be given a completely free pass - but he's clearly got some suspicion on him. I stand by the timing of my reveal. Yes, I could have waited until the end of the day and "saw what shook out". I knew this wouldn't go to nightfall - and really, we've seen some interesting responses because of what I did. If Schmidty is the Brutal, come and get me wolfy.

03-31-2009, 09:47 PM	#295
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	It is interesting seeing what is taking place. I think I know who our three wolves are but I want to see what they have to say for the rest of this "day". Granted this doesn't mean that I am right but I am getting strong pinging readings off some.

03-31-2009, 10:52 PM	#300
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	I think it's interesting that EF is pushing toward Lathum, who I know at least did nothing last night, and also apparantly knows who every wolf is, but won't tell us (post 295). __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

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