Werewolf XXXI: House of Frankenstein (Game Over)

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

See post 240
"By laying up a tie we got to see who moved and where."

You saw Sndvls move off Blade and tag chief rum. Then you saw Saldana move to Chief rum quickly after that. Then you saw Tanglewood pile on cheif rum. That will all mean something over time.

Specifically why did Saldana and tanglewood make the move when they did not need too?

b/c they're wolves trying to divert attention from themselves possibly?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

By not showing up and not appearing in the thread, he was very unlikely a wolf. Nothing is for sure, but to be a wolf and not even check the thread would be iron discipline.

He didnt even check in once after getting his role...im under the assumption he still has a PM he hasnt read, so i dont think he found out he was a villager then decided not to check in, just wasnt around.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

See post 240
"By laying up a tie we got to see who moved and where."

You saw Sndvls move off Blade and tag chief rum. Then you saw Saldana move to Chief rum quickly after that. Then you saw Tanglewood pile on cheif rum. That will all mean something over time.

Specifically why did Saldana and tanglewood make the move when they did not need too?

so who were saldana and tanglewood on at that point before piling on CR? we're supposing one of those people might have been a wolf (the one who had the higher vote-count at the time?)

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Day one votes are not useless. Especially if you have a wolf on the ropes. I switched to Alant simply because he voted for me and the Blade vote was not affective as the others piled on chief rum.

Back to wolves on the ropes. In this game, it appears there are a small number of wolves. Usually the villagers have some special roles to assist them. The 2 most notorious are seer and bodyguard. It appears we just have masons who can only break a tie. Based on the weakness of the villager roles, I am guessing we don't have many wolves. That means if one of them were in trouble or had a few votes, movement might occur to protect that wolf.

It is really hard to tell at this point. But a few days from now, what happened today, might have a big impact, versus a day one full of nothing.

Sorry, replace chief rum with noddadropp in this post. Too many screen names I don't know yet. :o

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

By not showing up and not appearing in the thread, he was very unlikely a wolf. Nothing is for sure, but to be a wolf and not even check the thread would be iron discipline.

Originally Posted by tanglewood Post#241

Bear in mind I'm pretty sure that Noddadrop's most recent post was before roles had been sent out. He could have been a wolf and not known it.

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[saldana]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

See post 240
"By laying up a tie we got to see who moved and where."

You saw Sndvls move off Blade and tag chief rum. Then you saw Saldana move to Chief rum quickly after that. Then you saw Tanglewood pile on cheif rum. That will all mean something over time.

Specifically why did Saldana and tanglewood make the move when they did not need too?

ummmmm, maybe look again...i voted for lathum, and i said it was because he diseased me the in egypt game so i wanted vengeance....sndvls also never voted for chief rum, his vote was on blade....he moved his to noddadrop because there was a tie...you then moved your vote to maintain or recreate the tie, so i moved mine to re break it....i have had this argument a hundred times...ties are stupid, especially on day one when the runoff is pretty much a dead solid lock to be villager vs villager. and when one person in the tie is blade, who has a proven value, and the other is someone that hasnt been on the board for 3 days and has no known value, its a pretty easy choice on who to keep.

why specifically are you challenging everyone for day one votes?

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

He didnt even check in once after getting his role...im under the assumption he still has a PM he hasnt read, so i dont think he found out he was a villager then decided not to check in, just wasnt around.

True, that is possible and I did not really think about that. Why the pile on after he was the champion?

[molson]

It's hard to imagine a WW making himself a target like Grammaticus right now. With so many players, you'd think they want to lay low.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by saldana

ummmmm, maybe look again...i voted for lathum, and i said it was because he diseased me the in egypt game so i wanted vengeance

Right

Originally Posted by saldana

....sndvls also never voted for chief rum

Right, I got CR and Noddadropp mixed up.

Originally Posted by saldana

, his (sndvls) vote was on blade....he moved his to noddadrop because there was a tie...

True, but it was the tie I had previously made. On Noddadropp it was Lathum, then Molson (206), then Golden Eagle (207)

Then I went to Blade (210) causing a tie

Sndvls goes off Blade to Noddadropp (216) breaking the tie (at this point noddadropp is champion).

Originally Posted by saldana

you (Grammaticus) then moved your vote to maintain or recreate the tie

No, Sndvls just broke the tie I made.

Originally Posted by saldana

so i moved mine to re break it

You did not break any tie’s.

You (saldana) move off lathum and go to Noddadropp (218) – why he is already winning

Then Tanglewood moves off Swaggs to Noddadropp (225) completing the pile on.

Then AlanT hits me with 4 minutes to go (227)

I hit AlanT back (228).

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

My god, i might actually survive day 1! The WW gods must see fit to end my purgatory!

Although, granted, i was tied for the lynch with 15 minutes to go, so i was still close. Thank you kindly saldana and sndvls, as yet again im not quite sure why i was up for lynch.

it had to be somebody and I hold grudges

anyhow I would have moved off you if the tide had turned towards you. Even if you are bad you are active and could be too valuable for a day one lynch.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

See post 240
"By laying up a tie we got to see who moved and where."

You saw Sndvls move off Blade and tag chief rum. Then you saw Saldana move to Chief rum quickly after that. Then you saw Tanglewood pile on cheif rum. That will all mean something over time.

Specifically why did Saldana and tanglewood make the move when they did not need too?

I didn't vote chief rum just for clarification

[GoldenEagle]

When are votes due by in the morning?

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Ok so now what? What are these night moves or night activities st. cronin talked about?

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

I didn't vote chief rum just for clarification

Er, I know I screwed up and posted a correction in post 254:

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Sorry, replace chief rum with noddadropp in this post. Too many screen names I don't know yet. :o

Damn that no edit rule!

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

Ok so now what? What are these night moves or night activities st. cronin talked about?

The wolves are going to kill one of us villagers. And of course Frank could be activated causing another kill.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

Ok so now what? What are these night moves or night activities st. cronin talked about?

anyone who has a role that requires doing something at night ( the wolves making a kill for example) do it now by sending a PM to St. Cronin. The rest of us just wait untill morning and hope we are still alive.

[Grammaticus]

dola,

Oh and the Count could use a night kill as well. I guess up to three people could get killed throught the night.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by molson

It's hard to imagine a WW making himself a target like Grammaticus right now. With so many players, you'd think they want to lay low.

Unless he is using reverse psychology. Right now, there are two people that I know for a face are wolves. I just have to drum enough support to get votes.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Unless he is using reverse psychology. Right now, there are two people that I know for a face are wolves. I just have to drum enough support to get votes.

if you knew they were wolves you'd reveal it GE and then supply proof.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Unless he is using reverse psychology. Right now, there are two people that I know for a face are wolves. I just have to drum enough support to get votes.

If you know for sure two people are wolves, then say their names now. I'll vote for the first one no problem. If they turn out good, then I'll vote for you. See how easy it works?


There is no good reason to hold 2 wolves if you know for sure.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Unless he is using reverse psychology. Right now, there are two people that I know for a face are wolves. I just have to drum enough support to get votes.

How could you possibly know for a fact that two people are wolves?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Unless he is using reverse psychology. Right now, there are two people that I know for a face are wolves. I just have to drum enough support to get votes.

what exactlly does that mean?

[Greyroofoo]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

How could you possibly know for a fact that two people are wolves?

he's a wolf!

[Grammaticus]

Or I should say how could you possiblyl know the identity of two people who are wolves?

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

he's a wolf!

?

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

he's a wolf!

Do you mean, if he is a wolf he would know?

[GoldenEagle]

I am just reading inbetween the lines here. Isn't what this game is about? Figuring this stuff out? I also want to avoid becoming a target.

What the hell do I do?

[molson]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I am just reading inbetween the lines here. Isn't what this game is about? Figuring this stuff out? I also want to avoid becoming a target.

What the hell do I do?

So what two do you suspect then?

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

The wolves are going to kill one of us villagers. And of course Frank could be activated causing another kill.

Frank?

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I am just reading inbetween the lines here. Isn't what this game is about? Figuring this stuff out? I also want to avoid becoming a target.

What the hell do I do?

It can be good to throw out suspects. But you probably don't want to say "for a fact" unless you do know for sure. Because as AlanT explained above, when you get caught in a lie, you will likely get lynched.

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Or I should say how could you possiblyl know the identity of two people who are wolves?

What he said.

[GoldenEagle]

I will keep it to myself for now because I guess I really do not know if they are wolves are not. My vote tommorow will reveal one. This really is more interesting that I thought it would be.

[bulletsponge]

sorry i havnt been posting, had more work than usual, then i forgot about the game cause i was wraped up in a text simulation game . 1 quick question why the sudden rush to vote for nopadope or whatever his name wAS?

[bulletsponge]

ps i should be much more active tomorow

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

My god, i might actually survive day 1! The WW gods must see fit to end my purgatory!

Although, granted, i was tied for the lynch with 15 minutes to go, so i was still close. Thank you kindly saldana and sndvls, as yet again im not quite sure why i was up for lynch.

hehe, im not going to vote for you early either cause my last 2 games with you you died early and i havnt seen you play much.

[molson]

I'm thinking the WWs are going to knock off someone who's been active in the last few pages - the more information that's thrown around, the better it is for the villagers.

[GoldenEagle]

By the way, I am re-reading one of the old WW threads st. cronin sent me and it is 31 freakin pages long!

[saldana]

gram, as i have already explained, i made sure that we didnt lose blade or have a stupid ass tie...if that doesnt make sense to you, i dont know what to tell you.

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

By the way, I am re-reading one of the old WW threads st. cronin sent me and it is 31 freakin pages long!

hehe. only 31? wasnt the Necromancer WW then. one day alone was almost 15 pages

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Voting for Chief Rum because he didn't vote in his first post is weak. I didn't either, but no-one seemed to care.

Vote Swaggs

Why is it weak? It is nothing personal against him, as he has been one of my good friends from FOFC over the years, but he had time to log in and say he would not be back in time for the vote, yet did not vote? No one ever wants to place a vote for someone they are unsure of and risk upsetting another player or creating some type of voting pattern that could come back to haunt them. In my opinion, if you have time to log in, but purposely pass on voting, you are doing it just to avoid conflict, which is a huge part of this game.

[GoldenEagle]

So you are saying CR is a wolf?

[saldana]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

hehe. only 31? wasnt the Necromancer WW then. one day alone was almost 15 pages

necromancers = 72 pages

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by saldana

gram, as i have already explained, i made sure that we didnt lose blade or have a stupid ass tie...if that doesnt make sense to you, i dont know what to tell you.

I'm not so sure a tie is all that bad, especially in this game. But I understand you don't like them. At this point in the game, I would have likely moved off Blade myself. I would have waited until at least 3 minutes to end of day in order to give the wolves time to make moves.

Then again, maybe some wolves did make moves. Not saying it was specifically you, but I do think at least one of the late movers is a wolf.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

So you are saying CR is a wolf?

it was a strategy used effectively for a couple days by Bek several games ago...he said he was too sick to be online with a stomach virus, so we let him skate until about day 3...if Rum read that game, which was two before his first one, so it would make sense that he could have read it as a primer, he could see it as a legitimate strategy...

i am not prepared to say CR is a wolf, but it would be convenient for him to use this as a cover

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

I'm not so sure a tie is all that bad, especially in this game. But I understand you don't like them. At this point in the game, I would have likely moved off Blade myself. I would have waited until at least 3 minutes to end of day in order to give the wolves time to make moves.

Then again, maybe some wolves did make moves. Not saying it was specifically you, but I do think at least one of the late movers is a wolf.

unless the number of wolves is very low to start, like 2, it would be a very risky move for the wolves to push to save one of their own on day one.

actually its risky either way...do you let a wolf die and trim down your number or do you save the wolf and expose yourselves? i doubt any of the late moves came from wolves.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by saldana

it was a strategy used effectively for a couple days by Bek several games ago...he said he was too sick to be online with a stomach virus, so we let him skate until about day 3...if Rum read that game, which was two before his first one, so it would make sense that he could have read it as a primer, he could see it as a legitimate strategy...

i am not prepared to say CR is a wolf, but it would be convenient for him to use this as a cover

Another reason to vote people who do not vote is to promote participation. Not voting is the poorest thing a villager can do. It interferes with the ability of the team to evaluate vote history later in the game. If not voting goes unpunished in games, Wolves will try to do it to stay out of trouble and avoid establishing a vote history.

The bad thing is that villagers who are not team oriented players will at times take up the strategy of not voting to avoid tabulating a vote record or being noticed. They do this to stay alive longer by avoiding conflict, etc.

If as Villagers you consistently lynch non voters, villagers will vote to avoid death and wolves will vote to avoid a quick lynch as well. Then everyone participates and you are not wasting time wondering if so and so was really sick or late for work or whatever. ALWAYS VOTE!!!

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by saldana

unless the number of wolves is very low to start, like 2, it would be a very risky move for the wolves to push to save one of their own on day one.

actually its risky either way...do you let a wolf die and trim down your number or do you save the wolf and expose yourselves? i doubt any of the late moves came from wolves.

I think one of the people voting noddadropp was a wolf. It is likely one of them was a wolf burying their vote in the pile on. That way when we are talking about X voted for 3 villagers and 0 wolves. X can come back and say, but one of those was a day one vote for the guy who did not show up. You can't count that.....Yea right.

With a little time these day one votes will start to add value.

[bulletsponge]

Voting on the first day is vastly overrated from my POV. only villagers get lynched and nothing is learned from it because its a total shot in the dark as far as voting so "records" of votes are meaningless too. even the wolves dont know who the other bad guys are so they are in the dark also ( cept for other wolves)

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

So you are saying CR is a wolf?

No, I just think it is unfortunate when people fail to vote, unless they are absolutely unable to get online to do so, which is not the case here. To the best of my knowledge, in most games, you are required to vote, so just opting not to because you are not sure is unfair, since someone has to vote and someone has to be voted for on the first day, as random as it usually is.

In a few days, voting patterns may become important if we can manage to group some of the wolves together in close votes and when people do not vote, they get a "pass" from that particular form of evidence.

[bulletsponge]

who else didnt vote besides Rummy? if they dont show up on the second day and participate then we should start "thinning the herd" with them no shows. but the first day is easy to miss. hell i forgot about it during the day and i always read all the post in WW till i die