Werewolf XLVI Willy Wonka the game thread!!!! BAD GUYS WIN!!

[Passacaglia]

Yeah...again with this. Why not LSG? Hoops's vote for her put two on her...could have started a run.

[st.cronin]

Well, I'm obviously curious to see how LSG votes today. But I don't think there's been anything sinister in her votes or posts. Saldana, on the other hand, has been pinging my radar since the end of day 1.

[Passacaglia]

What happened at the end of Day 1?

[st.cronin]

I mean the way the vote played out, exactly what I talked about yesterday.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I mean the way the vote played out, exactly what I talked about yesterday.

i would pay real money to know what you are talking about.

my vote was nowhere near the end of the day on day one, and had no impact on "how the vote played out"

you have been after me all game with nothing to back it up.

vote st cronin

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I mean the way the vote played out, exactly what I talked about yesterday.

I think someone hit on this yesterday, but what do you mean about how the vote played out?

This was the vote in the early evening with plenty of time left:

chief rum (2)- barkeep, bulletsponge
saldana (2)- daddytorgo, ardent
daddytorgo (2)- hoopsguy, render
hoopsguy (1)- saldana
st cronin (1)- passacaglia
alant (1)- swaggs
passacaglia (1)- ntndeacon
lonestargirl (1)- chief rum

Obviously a 3 way tie between Chief, Saldana and DT, with several people left to vote and realisticaly anyone (even people without a vote) still at risk.

The following votes went:

#58 St Cronin votes Chief Rum (3-2-2)

Gave Chief (innocent villager) the lead with 3 people left to vote. With Chief having no ability to defend himself being at work (a well known issue), and it being day 1 and most good guys not having anything to go on to determine if they should even put their neck out to save him.

#61 LSG votes Chief Rum (4-2-2)

Basically puts the nail into Chief's coffin so to speak. Only 2 people left to vote, it would require someone moving a vote to save Chief now which is unlikely.

#67 Alan votes Saldana (4-3-2)

Brings things back closer, where its still possible for someone to change votes to save Chief, which is however unlikely for a good guy to do here.


Mr.W no vote.


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So I am curious about which part you are uneasy about the way the vote went.. Are you uneasy that Chief died as a good guy? You were the one who broke the tie and put him in the lead. Are you uneasy that someone protected DaddyTorgo by voting for either Chief or Saldana? If so, why vote for Sal here? Do you feel that LSG was protecting Saldana by voting for Chief there?

I guess I didn't understand your issue yesterday, and still don't understand today.. What about that vote are you actually using to point you to vote for Saldana here?

[Barkeep49]

I'll get in my vote early. I think cronin's moves, along saldana's line of thinking, have indeed been suspect. I think it's highly likely one of those two are a wolf and since I think it's more likely to be cronin I'll go that way for now.

Vote st. cronin

[Barkeep49]

Thanks Alan for giving the explicit reasoning behind what had been my unease.

[st.cronin]

Well, obviously nobody is catching on.

I'm Willy Wonka.

Night 1 I scanned Saldana. Last night I scanned LoneStarGirl. I will not vote for LSG. I will vote for Saldana until he's lynched.

[Alan T]

Fair enough then. Guess that explanation answers my questions about your beef with him.

Vote Saldana

[bulletsponge]

well thats good enough for me

Vote Saldana

yes im that easily swayed

[st.cronin]

You would think that somebody who was not under any pressure coming out firing first thing on day 2, and not backing off ALL DAY would maybe give you a clue.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

You would think that somebody who was not under any pressure coming out firing first thing on day 2, and not backing off ALL DAY would maybe give you a clue.

People do that all the time though. It might seem obvious to you as someone who has all of the facts, but to people who don't have all of the details, you are constantly analyzing what angle people are coming from.

This morning I had somewhat convinced myself that both you and Saldana were good, which apparently is incorrect. I had started to consider that the two wolves were Barkeep + Passacaglia. I just figured you had a hunch and were riding it strong with the lack of other data. (ie: so far up till now all of the "proof" for anyone's guilt has been sketchy. People made cases to lynch the one person who couldn't defend himself night 1, then night 2 lynched ntn for no other reason than they felt Swaggs was good?

[saldana]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Well, obviously nobody is catching on.

I'm Willy Wonka.

Night 1 I scanned Saldana. Last night I scanned LoneStarGirl. I will not vote for LSG. I will vote for Saldana until he's lynched.

this is a lie...i am not a wolf...i didnt want to do this but... i'm the bodyguard...the first night i guarded hoops, and while staying up, I saw someone out, headed for ardent's room...i was told they knew I was awake, but I didnt know who they were....i assumed since he came out after me yesterday that it was Cronin, but without proof, i didnt want to reveal myself, so i tried to get a push on him. obviously now i have no choice.

last night i guarded myself

lynching me will only kill the head oompa loompa

[st.cronin]

Alan the key point that should have tipped you off was that I never changed my vote, and then re-voted him first thing this morning. I almost always change my vote at least once a day.

Anyway. FWIW, I believe saldana is the brutal wolf, based on my pm. That's one reason I didn't reveal right away yesterday.

[Barkeep49]

Unvote st.cronin
Vote saldana

Well I knew something from the interaction was off. Too bad I read it the wrong way.

[Mr. Wednesday]

VOTE saldana

cronin, I think you were a little fast on the reveal there. Might have been able to get the vote through without outing yourself.

[st.cronin]

Maybe so, Mr. W. But I'm not going to be around at deadline today, and the only guy who voted with me yesterday was Barkeep, who actually said that he would have preferred to vote for me.

[Passacaglia]

I like cronin's story more than saldana's.

VOTE SALDANA

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Maybe so, Mr. W. But I'm not going to be around at deadline today, and the only guy who voted with me yesterday was Barkeep, who actually said that he would have preferred to vote for me.

I agree that that you revealed at an appropriate time cronin.

[ntndeacon]

wanders through mopping up

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

wanders through propping up post count

Fixed that for you

[st.cronin]

I'm a threadkiller.

[hoopsguy]

My death is a threadkiller.

[LoneStarGirl]

I really wish Cronin would not have revealed so early...
And also, if Saldana is the brutal wolf I hope that the real bodyguard doesn't step forward yet.

vote Saldana

[LoneStarGirl]

Since I have been cleared by Cronin, whom most of you believe, I am going to look at people who voted for me tomorrow.

[Passacaglia]

Take a picture, it'll last longer.

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Since I have been cleared by Cronin, whom most of you believe, I am going to look at people who voted for me tomorrow.

now would be a good time to point out that i voted for the guy who wanted to lynch you yesterday

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

now would be a good time to point out that i voted for the guy who wanted to lynch you yesterday

You can if you want, but you took a lot of heat for your vote, while mine made a lot of sense given the circumstances.

[RendeR]

I won't be here later.

VOTE SALDANA

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Since I have been cleared by Cronin, whom most of you believe, I am going to look at people who voted for me tomorrow.

What makes it more likely that a wolf votes for you verses a villager? I think voting patterns are more revealing:
A. Over time
B. Showing chronology
C. When examining a wolf

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE SALDANA

no reason to distrust cronin. His story sounds a lot better than sal's TBH. Sorry I havn't been active all day, it was a hectic afternoon of work.

[saldana]

i am surprised so many people are so willing to blindly follow cronin at his word...he is full of it, and you all are falling for it...good luck the rest of the game, you will need it.

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by saldana

i am surprised so many people are so willing to blindly follow cronin at his word...he is full of it, and you all are falling for it...good luck the rest of the game, you will need it.

i might trust you more if it wasnt for your signature

[Swaggs]

This made it easy.

Vote saldana

[LoneStarGirl]

now is just a waiting game... I think we can end today early. I have no doubt that Cronin was telling the truth

[Lathum]

writeup coming

[Lathum]

the day begins with saldana and st cronin picking up where they left off yesterday...at one another's throats.

the early tide seems to be turning against st cronin until, as he walks towards the group, he falls forward...and pops up, and with a tip of his hat announces that he is willy wonka.

there is more..not only does he tell you he is the eccentric owner of the chocolate factory, but he knows that, at the least, saldana is one of slugworth's spies, and maybe even slugworth himself.

one by one, the votes are tallied against Saldana, despite his protestations and assertions that he is the Oompa Loompa Lord.

you find Saldana alone in the Fizzy Lifting Drinks room and inform him that it is unanimous that he will be thrown out of the factory tonight.

once again a hidden door opens and the strange little orange men file into the room with you

oompa loompa doopity doo
we've got another puzzle for you
oompa loopa doopity donin
were you all wise to listen to cronin

what do you get when you find a bad guy
who walks among you spouting off lies?
one less evil man who pretends he's your pal
but he is not because Slugworth is Sal!

he was trying to steal stuff

oopma loompa doopity doo
cronin solved this puzzle for you....

suddenly the song is interrupted as Saldana, who had stood silent until now, grabs the nearest Oompa Loompa and in one motion snaps his neck. "Enough with the freaking songs already," he mutters, letting the dead body slump to the floor.

He then turns on St. Cronin. "You may have caught me trying to steal your secrets Wonka, but you've eaten your last everlasting gobstopper!!"

Saldana grabs Cronin by the back of the hair, pulling his head back. From his pocket he pulls a bottle marked "Fizzy Lifting Drink Concentrate - Extremely Powerful - Do Not Drink Unless Diluted", He drinks half of it himself, and shoves the other half into Cronin's mouth.

As he forces St. Cronin to swallow the liquid, he gulps, and almost instantly, both Saldana and Cronin soar upwards, their ascent accelerated by the exaggerated lifting power of the concentrate. You all have only seconds to get out of the small room before you hear a sickening series of splatters, as the remains of both Slughorn and Willy Wonka splash back to the floor after their bodies are shredded by the high speed ceiling fans.

Saldana was Slughorn

St. Cronin was Willy Wonka.

night 3 has begun. Deadline 8:00 AM EST

[Passacaglia]

Nice job taking one for the team, cronin.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Nice to get a wolf, but it's very unfortunate that it cost us our seer to do it.

[Barkeep49]

In a game this small we have to be willing to accept a 1-1 trade, I feel.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Oh, sure, I'm just sorry that we had a trade instead of getting a wolf straight out. (shrug)

And, he only cleared one other person for us.

[Barkeep49]

Yeah it's sad that we only got 1 OK out of the deal, I agree.

[st.cronin]

I'll be following along, good luck village.

[Lathum]

writeup coming shortly

[Poli]

Great guess on my part with saldana. I can't say I've ever been that lucky.

[Lathum]

You all wake in the morning to find one of you is missing. Swaggs hasn't come down for breakfast. You all rush to his room and find he has been strangled, a bright red licorice whip around his purple face.

day 4 has begun, deadkine 10:30 PM EST

[Swaggs]

Doh.

[Passacaglia]

Okay, so what have we got now?

My thinking is that we ought to look at saldana's defense. Saldana is an experienced enough player that it's not like he was totally coached, but he probably got some help from one of his fellow spies. Does his story sound like the same kind of story one of us would make up?

[Barkeep49]

I'm surprised, but pleased, that it wasn't LSG.