Interesting times in Iran.. - Page 6

DaddyTorgo · 06-17-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

In today's articles, several sites were discussing this move by the world community. The comments from Tehran were that the move to make all accounts appear to be in Tehran really slowed down the crackdown on people who were in Tehran and were sending out messages. Amazing how something that simple threw the scent off many of the people posting within Tehran.

that's good. i certainly would have done so myself and contributed to the noise if i was signed up for twitter.

i wasn't trying to sound like i was whining or anything - just saying that it made it hard on our end to sort through things and find what amounted to the more "newsy" tweets. but if that's the price to pay for their freedom, it's fine by me.

Neon_Chaos · 06-17-2009, 03:08 PM

Well, you know it was coming. Just saw CNN announce that Ahmedinejad is accusing the US of intolerable meddling... blah blah blah.

BrianD · 06-17-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Well, you know it was coming. Just saw CNN announce that Ahmedinejad is accusing the US of intolerable meddling... blah blah blah.

Any chance of that claim getting any kind of traction? I can see his supporters picking up the cry, but he has more detractors than supporters now.

Neon_Chaos · 06-17-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

Any chance of that claim getting any kind of traction? I can see his supporters picking up the cry, but he has more detractors than supporters now.

Exactly. Without a really strong statement from the US about taking sides, Ahmedinejad is screwed, both at home and in the international community.

Of course, it appears Russia has legitimized his election victory by accepting him as a head of state.

albionmoonlight · 06-17-2009, 03:19 PM

"By not meddling, the United States has kept me from being able to accuse them of meddling. Which means that they are meddling by not meddling. If they had meddled, then they would not be trying to keep me from saying that they are meddling, which is really the worst kind of meddling that you can do."

Schmidty · 06-17-2009, 03:42 PM

What the fuck is wrong with Russia?

Do they ever get anything right?

DaddyTorgo · 06-17-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

What the fuck is wrong with Russia?

Do they ever get anything right?

short answer - no

longer answer - I could probably write a 20 page paper still about the causes of that, but still no

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 06-17-2009, 03:45 PM

They do pretty well with vodka and petruskha dolls.

DaddyTorgo · 06-17-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

They do pretty well with vodka and petruskha dolls.

gah. russian vodka is ghastly compared to some of the newer designer-vodka. you could use it to strip the paint off walls!

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 06-17-2009, 03:49 PM

Vodka is vodka for the most part.

DaddyTorgo · 06-17-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Vodka is vodka for the most part.

nooooooooooooooooooooooo

no way! is this the view of an informed vodka drinker, or an admitted-neophyte?

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 06-17-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

nooooooooooooooooooooooo

no way! is this the view of an informed vodka drinker, or an admitted-neophyte?

View of a guy who tended bar for five years.

DaddyTorgo · 06-17-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

View of a guy who tended bar for five years.

and drank a lot of vodka?

sabotai · 06-17-2009, 03:57 PM

The difference between good vodka and bad vodka (read: Popov) is quite enormous.

DaddyTorgo · 06-17-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

The difference between good vodka and bad vodka (read: Popov) is quite enormous.

mmhmm

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 06-17-2009, 04:00 PM

But the difference between good and mid-range is much, much slimmer than other liquors.

DaddyTorgo · 06-17-2009, 04:01 PM

good vodka you can sip like water and with a straight face.

bad vodka you shoot down and grimace after you swallow it.

DaddyTorgo · 06-17-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

But the difference between good and mid-range is much, much slimmer than other liquors.

this on the other hand may be true.

and how'd we get here from Iran?

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 06-17-2009, 04:02 PM

Well not much news out of Iran, and like others have said the hashs at twitter are unreadable now.

MikeVic · 06-17-2009, 04:12 PM

All I know about vodka is that my parents would buy this big bottle of it... but it was a plastic bottle. And that stuff made be cringe to just smell.

DaddyTorgo · 06-17-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

All I know about vodka is that my parents would buy this big bottle of it... but it was a plastic bottle. And that stuff made be cringe to just smell.

that is bad vodka

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 06-17-2009, 04:19 PM

The guy who apprenticed me bartending was a big scotch and whiskey snob. He used to really get a kick out of filling the empty Grey Goose, Belvedere, etc. bottles with the well vodka because he knew that he could get away with it (incidentally which I found abhorrent, but wasn't in much position to argue). Couldn't do that with many other liquors.

DaddyTorgo · 06-17-2009, 04:42 PM

depends on who you're serving it to and whether they drink it straight or it's mixed in.

me i drink it straight and i could tell grey goose from anything else blindfolded

albionmoonlight · 06-17-2009, 04:46 PM

Mrs. A's parents used to have a grapefruit tree. The best and most refreshing drink that I have ever had is ice cold fresh squeezed grapefruit juice and Grey Goose.

MikeVic · 06-17-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Mrs. A's parents used to have a grapefruit tree. The best and most refreshing drink that I have ever had is ice cold fresh squeezed grapefruit juice and Grey Goose.

Are you sure it wasn't because you were drunk?

sabotai · 06-17-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

All I know about vodka is that my parents would buy this big bottle of it... but it was a plastic bottle. And that stuff made be cringe to just smell.

Big plastic bottle is what Popov would come in. That stuff was horrible.

But when you're a poor college student.... (Not me, but a few people I knew would buy that. But I bought the cheap stuff of other kinds of liquor so I understood)

lungs · 06-17-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

Big plastic bottle is what Popov would come in. That stuff was horrible.

But when you're a poor college student.... (Not me, but a few people I knew would buy that. But I bought the cheap stuff of other kinds of liquor so I understood)

One of my best friends has drank cheap Vodka every day for the last 7-8 years.

RainMaker · 06-17-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

All I know about vodka is that my parents would buy this big bottle of it... but it was a plastic bottle. And that stuff made be cringe to just smell.

In college we would buy this big plastic jug of a brand called "Budget Vodka". Their logo was a guy holding up a fistfull of dollars.

Desnudo · 06-17-2009, 09:24 PM

Net net they are still going to try and blow us up, so what difference does it make?

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-18-2009, 08:10 AM

It appears that today's rally will be attended by Mousavi and it's expected to be the biggest rally thus far.

I'm really not sure that the violence by the religious police is achieving the purpose that they think it is at this point. The protesters are killing with kindness at this point. It's amazing to watch.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 06-18-2009, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

Net net they are still going to try and blow us up, so what difference does it make?

I think incremental steps towards a truly open political process in Iran would be a good thing for us. A lot of anti-Americanism in the Middle East is fomented by regimes trying to remain in power by focusing the anger of their people outward. If that piece is missing I think it will be a positive thing overall. Think of it as baby steps.

DaddyTorgo · 06-18-2009, 08:44 AM

Reza Aslan appeared on MSNBC's Rachel Maddow Show last night, and laid out the importance of what is going to happen:

What's really fascinating about what's happening right now in 2009 is that it looks a lot like what was happening in 1979. And there's a very simple reason for that. The same people are in charge -- I mean, Mousavi, Rafsanjani, Khatami, Medhi Karroubi, the other reformist candidate -- these were all the original revolutionaries who brought down the Shah to begin with, so they know how to do this right.

And so what you're going to see tomorrow is something that was pulled exactly out of the playbook of 1979, which is that you have these massive mourning rallies, where you mourn the deaths of those who were martyred in the cause of freedom. And these things tend to get a little bit out of control, they often result in even more violence by the security forces and even more deaths, which then requires another mourning rally which is even larger, which then requires more violence from the government, and this just becomes an ongoing snowball that can't be stopped.

That's how the Shah was removed from power, was these mourning ceremonies. And so Mousavi very smartly calling for an official -- not a rally -- but an official day of mourning tomorrow. I think we're going to see crowds that we haven't even begun to see yet, and then follow that, on Friday, which is sort of the Muslim sabbath, the day of prayer, which is a traditionally a day of gathering anyway. This is just beginning, Rachel, this is just the beginning.

sterlingice · 06-18-2009, 09:06 AM

Maddow had a pair of segments last night on Iran that were quite good.

SI

sterlingice · 06-18-2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs

One of my best friends has drank cheap Vodka every day for the last 7-8 years.

I had a roommate who did that, too.

SI

Neon_Chaos · 06-18-2009, 09:08 AM

Visit msnbc.com for Breaking News, World News, and News about the Economy

Reza's interview is around 11 minutes in.

sterlingice · 06-18-2009, 09:20 AM

Oh, and I feel a little bad about this but about half the time I hear news on Iran, this little clip goes through my head:

Marge: Can we get rid of this Ayatollah T-shirt? Khomeini died years ago.
Homer: But, Marge! It works on *any* Ayatollah: Ayatollah Nakhbadeh, Ayatollah Zahedi...even as we speak, Ayatollah Razmada and his cadre of fanatics are consolidating their power.

SI

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 06-18-2009, 09:24 AM

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 06-18-2009, 10:36 AM

In an attempt to change the subject, the Iranian government is claiming it thwarted a terrorist plot led by external enemies (Israel) on election day.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/DAH850653.htm

lungs · 06-18-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

In an attempt to change the subject, the Iranian government is claiming it thwarted a terrorist plot led by external enemies (Israel) on election day.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/DAH850653.htm

And that's why they felt it was necessary to rig the vote.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-18-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

In an attempt to change the subject, the Iranian government is claiming it thwarted a terrorist plot led by external enemies (Israel) on election day.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/DAH850653.htm

Is it me, or does this government just seem to be behind one step (or two) at every turn? That tactic should have been used early on. At this point, few will see it as anything other than desparate.

"The 'U.S. meddling' angle didn't work yesterday. Let's go for the 'Israel hates us' angle today."

Mustang · 06-18-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

"By not meddling, the United States has kept me from being able to accuse them of meddling. Which means that they are meddling by not meddling. If they had meddled, then they would not be trying to keep me from saying that they are meddling, which is really the worst kind of meddling that you can do."

I <3 this post.

CamEdwards · 06-18-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Is it me, or does this government just seem to be behind one step (or two) at every turn? That tactic should have been used early on. At this point, few will see it as anything other than desparate.

"The 'U.S. meddling' angle didn't work yesterday. Let's go for the 'Israel hates us' angle today."

I think the Iranian government is underestimating the ability of many of the Iranian people, but there will be millions who believe what the government says... no matter how outrageous it seems to us.

Perhaps the most unsettling thing about the reaction of the Iranian government is that it (for now anyway) seems completely uninterested in world opinion. "The whole world is watching" really doesn't matter if you don't mind the world watching you crack skulls.

BishopMVP · 06-18-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CamEdwards

Perhaps the most unsettling thing about the reaction of the Iranian government is that it (for now anyway) seems completely uninterested in world opinion. "The whole world is watching" really doesn't matter if you don't mind the world watching you crack skulls.

Yeah, that's turned out pretty well for the ruling classes in Burma, China, North Korea - Saddam didn't have any problems when he was merely committing genocide against the Kurds and Shia. The only hope relies on either Rafsanjani/Montazeri effecting a coup of Khamenei/Ahmadinejad or with the IRGC refusing to fire when ordered and effectively switching sides.

I'm also not sold on the angle that Obama shouldn't be vocally supporting the protestors. Not to the point where I think he's in the wrong or a coward, but it's been pointed out that Bush's words in Lebanon certainly didn't do any harm if not actually helping the situation. So any commentators/posters wasting time arguing that conservative people are idiots and the protests would immediately be accepted by the population as American stooges (particularly since Ahmadinejad's supporters already claim/believe this, and it's pretty hard to convince the millions marching/supporting the other side that they are puppets) is as dumb as the conservative pundits saying Obama is selling out the Iranian people.

Neon_Chaos · 06-18-2009, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Yeah, that's turned out pretty well for the ruling classes in Burma, China, North Korea - Saddam didn't have any problems when he was merely committing genocide against the Kurds and Shia. The only hope relies on either Rafsanjani/Montazeri effecting a coup of Khamenei/Ahmadinejad or with the IRGC refusing to fire when ordered and effectively switching sides.

I'm also not sold on the angle that Obama shouldn't be vocally supporting the protestors. Not to the point where I think he's in the wrong or a coward, but it's been pointed out that Bush's words in Lebanon certainly didn't do any harm if not actually helping the situation. So any commentators/posters wasting time arguing that conservative people are idiots and the protests would immediately be accepted by the population as American stooges (particularly since Ahmadinejad's supporters already claim/believe this, and it's pretty hard to convince the millions marching/supporting the other side that they are puppets) is as dumb as the conservative pundits saying Obama is selling out the Iranian people.

There is deep-seeded hatred towards America in Iran. Rafsanjani, Mousavi, and all the revolutionaries were among the leaders of the anti-American and anti-Shah rebellion in 1979. To be branded as being overtly supported by America would be a severe blow to what they look to accomplish.

Win, lose, or draw, Iran's foreign relations won't be drastically different with Mousavi or Ahmadinejad at the helm. But having moderate reformists like Mousavi MIGHT nudge the Islamic Republic towards a much more isolationist policy than a hostile one.

It probably can't get any worse than Ahmadinejad.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 06-18-2009, 02:38 PM

Photos from today's rally.

Flickr: mousavi1388's Photostream

albionmoonlight · 06-18-2009, 02:42 PM

This video seems worth sharing.

To me, there is something much more powerful about the silence than I would have expected.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Opposition supporters march in Tehran

fantom1979 · 06-19-2009, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

This video seems worth sharing.

To me, there is something much more powerful about the silence than I would have expected.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Opposition supporters march in Tehran

Where the heck do you get a 100 foot green banner like that?

Edit: Actually, it looks like it might be much longer than that.

Neon_Chaos · 06-19-2009, 05:51 AM

Khamenei has rejected the issue of vote fraud and has backed Ahmedinejad fully.

This is either the end, or just the beginning.

SackAttack · 06-19-2009, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Khamenei has rejected the issue of vote fraud and has backed Ahmedinejad fully.

This is either the end, or just the beginning.

There were all kinds of weird things coming out of his mouth.

I do think at this point the fate of Khamenei is tied to that of Ahmadinejad. If one goes down, so does the other.

Neon_Chaos · 06-19-2009, 06:14 AM

"YOU CANNOT SAY THERE IS FRAUD, THE DIFFERENCE IS 11 MILLION VOTES!" The fact that the difference is 11 million votes, and that ALL the handwritten votes were counted in under two hours... Heck, it take us almost two weeks to count and canvass the handwritten votes here in the Philippines.

06-17-2009, 03:08 PM	#252
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Well, you know it was coming. Just saw CNN announce that Ahmedinejad is accusing the US of intolerable meddling... blah blah blah. __________________ Come and see.

06-17-2009, 03:42 PM	#256
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	What the fuck is wrong with Russia? Do they ever get anything right? __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

06-17-2009, 03:45 PM	#258
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	They do pretty well with vodka and petruskha dolls. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

06-17-2009, 03:49 PM	#260
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	Vodka is vodka for the most part. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

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Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	But the difference between good and mid-range is much, much slimmer than other liquors. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

06-17-2009, 03:19 PM	#255
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	"By not meddling, the United States has kept me from being able to accuse them of meddling. Which means that they are meddling by not meddling. If they had meddled, then they would not be trying to keep me from saying that they are meddling, which is really the worst kind of meddling that you can do."

06-17-2009, 03:57 PM	#264
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	The difference between good vodka and bad vodka (read: Popov) is quite enormous.

06-17-2009, 04:01 PM	#267
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	good vodka you can sip like water and with a straight face. bad vodka you shoot down and grimace after you swallow it. __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

06-17-2009, 04:02 PM	#269
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	Well not much news out of Iran, and like others have said the hashs at twitter are unreadable now. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think Last edited by Ronnie Dobbs2 : 06-17-2009 at 04:03 PM.

06-17-2009, 04:12 PM	#270
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	All I know about vodka is that my parents would buy this big bottle of it... but it was a plastic bottle. And that stuff made be cringe to just smell.

06-17-2009, 04:19 PM	#272
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	The guy who apprenticed me bartending was a big scotch and whiskey snob. He used to really get a kick out of filling the empty Grey Goose, Belvedere, etc. bottles with the well vodka because he knew that he could get away with it (incidentally which I found abhorrent, but wasn't in much position to argue). Couldn't do that with many other liquors. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

06-17-2009, 04:42 PM	#273
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	depends on who you're serving it to and whether they drink it straight or it's mixed in. me i drink it straight and i could tell grey goose from anything else blindfolded __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

06-17-2009, 04:46 PM	#274
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Mrs. A's parents used to have a grapefruit tree. The best and most refreshing drink that I have ever had is ice cold fresh squeezed grapefruit juice and Grey Goose.

06-17-2009, 09:24 PM	#279
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	Net net they are still going to try and blow us up, so what difference does it make?

06-18-2009, 08:10 AM	#280
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	It appears that today's rally will be attended by Mousavi and it's expected to be the biggest rally thus far. I'm really not sure that the violence by the religious police is achieving the purpose that they think it is at this point. The protesters are killing with kindness at this point. It's amazing to watch.

06-18-2009, 08:44 AM	#282
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Reza Aslan appeared on MSNBC's Rachel Maddow Show last night, and laid out the importance of what is going to happen: What's really fascinating about what's happening right now in 2009 is that it looks a lot like what was happening in 1979. And there's a very simple reason for that. The same people are in charge -- I mean, Mousavi, Rafsanjani, Khatami, Medhi Karroubi, the other reformist candidate -- these were all the original revolutionaries who brought down the Shah to begin with, so they know how to do this right. And so what you're going to see tomorrow is something that was pulled exactly out of the playbook of 1979, which is that you have these massive mourning rallies, where you mourn the deaths of those who were martyred in the cause of freedom. And these things tend to get a little bit out of control, they often result in even more violence by the security forces and even more deaths, which then requires another mourning rally which is even larger, which then requires more violence from the government, and this just becomes an ongoing snowball that can't be stopped. That's how the Shah was removed from power, was these mourning ceremonies. And so Mousavi very smartly calling for an official -- not a rally -- but an official day of mourning tomorrow. I think we're going to see crowds that we haven't even begun to see yet, and then follow that, on Friday, which is sort of the Muslim sabbath, the day of prayer, which is a traditionally a day of gathering anyway. This is just beginning, Rachel, this is just the beginning. __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature. Last edited by DaddyTorgo : 06-18-2009 at 08:44 AM.

06-18-2009, 09:06 AM	#283
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Maddow had a pair of segments last night on Iran that were quite good. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

06-18-2009, 09:08 AM	#285
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Visit msnbc.com for Breaking News, World News, and News about the Economy Reza's interview is around 11 minutes in. __________________ Come and see.

06-18-2009, 09:20 AM	#286
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Oh, and I feel a little bad about this but about half the time I hear news on Iran, this little clip goes through my head: Marge: Can we get rid of this Ayatollah T-shirt? Khomeini died years ago. Homer: But, Marge! It works on any Ayatollah: Ayatollah Nakhbadeh, Ayatollah Zahedi...even as we speak, Ayatollah Razmada and his cadre of fanatics are consolidating their power. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

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06-18-2009, 10:36 AM	#288
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	In an attempt to change the subject, the Iranian government is claiming it thwarted a terrorist plot led by external enemies (Israel) on election day. http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/DAH850653.htm __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

06-18-2009, 02:38 PM	#295
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	Photos from today's rally. Flickr: mousavi1388's Photostream __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

06-18-2009, 02:42 PM	#296
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	This video seems worth sharing. To me, there is something much more powerful about the silence than I would have expected. BBC NEWS \| Middle East \| Opposition supporters march in Tehran

06-19-2009, 05:51 AM	#298
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Khamenei has rejected the issue of vote fraud and has backed Ahmedinejad fully. This is either the end, or just the beginning. __________________ Come and see.

06-19-2009, 06:14 AM	#300
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	"YOU CANNOT SAY THERE IS FRAUD, THE DIFFERENCE IS 11 MILLION VOTES!" The fact that the difference is 11 million votes, and that ALL the handwritten votes were counted in under two hours... Heck, it take us almost two weeks to count and canvass the handwritten votes here in the Philippines. __________________ Come and see.

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