Werewolf IV - River of Darkness - Page 6

Desnudo · 07-06-2005, 07:45 PM

Well we've got at least magicians and werewolves definitely right? That means at least two good sides to counteract the two bad. Maybe knights and something magical? The thing is that knights vs. magicians or werewolves doesn't really sound right.

I would think it would be hunters and some sort of counter-magic group. So maybe you have a third set with knights vs. heathens, or whatever the counterpart would be.

SirFozzie · 07-06-2005, 07:50 PM

I just don't get what lathum would get out of being so adamant of people's guilt, so quickly in the game. If he's right, he's obviously their #1 target, and will be quickly out of the game.

If he's mistaken or wrong, he's got the Airhog thing down. He will be lynched just because he's costing us valuable people.

Airhog · 07-06-2005, 07:51 PM

I unvote lathum.
I vote King

Desnudo · 07-06-2005, 07:52 PM

Except Airhog didn't get lynched last game.

Maybe he figures the stakes are worth it. Or maybe someone can protect him.

Barkeep49 · 07-06-2005, 07:52 PM

Well really Lathum's play is a good deal smarter than Airhogs. After all we won't know whether he's right or wrong, will we? So if for whatever reason he's not eaten tonight (whether he is a wolf, the wolf have a different target, or he is protected) we really won't know what it means will we?

kingfc22 · 07-06-2005, 07:53 PM

UNVOTE SIRFOZZZIE

VOTE EAGLES

kingfc22 · 07-06-2005, 07:54 PM

what's up with the ambush of this new villager in town.

SirFozzie · 07-06-2005, 07:55 PM

just thought of something,

Peregrine stated that there would be minor and major victories for some groups. Could the knights be a force from the church that wins a minor victory if us villagers survive, but wins a major victory if they win AND all magicians in the village are eliminated?

The magician would definitely see that as evil..

Airhog · 07-06-2005, 08:00 PM

unvote king
vote Eaglesfan27

Swaggs · 07-06-2005, 08:02 PM

I guess that Airhog is a "chaotic" ghost?

SirFozzie · 07-06-2005, 08:07 PM

and we wait for Peregrine..

ntndeacon · 07-06-2005, 08:09 PM

He is here.So it won't be too long.

Peregrine · 07-06-2005, 08:11 PM

In the final vote, the chaotic ghost of Airhog turns the tide:

Eaglesfan27 (6) - Tigercat, Barkeep49, Fouts, Qwikshot, Kingfc22, Airhog
Sirfozzie (2) - Eaglesfan27, Kwhit
Kingfc22 (5) - Lathum, BrianD, Jeff061, Desnudo, SirFozzie
Swaggs (2) - TazFTW, ntndeacon
TazFTW (2) - Swaggs, Fonzie

At least everyone voted this time.

In a chaotic vote with several people named, it seemed that kingfc22 was done for, however a last minute shift left eaglesfan holding the short straw. He was violent in trying to elude the lynch, striking several and claiming loudly that he was a villager, but in the end he was brought down and hung on the tavern porch.

Night 2

Eaglesfan27 - Lynched Day 2
ntndeacon - killed Night 1
BrianD
Airhog - Lynched Day 1
TazFTW
Desnudo
Fonzie
Qwikshot
Jeff061
SirFozzie
Barkeep49
kingfc22
Swaggs
Kwhit
Fouts
Tigercat
Lathum

Have your night actions in by midnight please.

Swaggs · 07-06-2005, 08:12 PM

I'm pretty sure I don't like the roles not being revealed.

Airhog · 07-06-2005, 08:12 PM

*evil cackling from beyond the grave*

SirFozzie · 07-06-2005, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I'm pretty sure I don't like the roles not being revealed.

yeah, I don't either. Instead of us having evidence of what works or not, we're blindly flailing in the dark. It makes a villager game more of a crapshoot then a reasoned deduction.

ntndeacon · 07-06-2005, 08:14 PM

wow. I thought it was tied. It seems being a ghost makes you unable to count.

Desnudo · 07-06-2005, 08:18 PM

I'll repeat again that I don't think Eaglesfan was a wolf and anyone who voted for him did so without any cause whatsoever. At least in King's case we have a definite commitment from Lathum, for better or worse. I would also have put forward Taz as having more evidence against him than Eagles. Oh well, it's certainly possible that magicians and wolves had merged interests on this one.

Barkeep49 · 07-06-2005, 08:18 PM

Well the ghosts certainly have made things interesting. The no role revelation does add a whole new layer to the game. Perhaps there are hints in Pergines description that we're missing?

Desnudo · 07-06-2005, 08:22 PM

And if ghosts could talk, I would dearly love to ask Airhog what he's doing.

TazFTW · 07-06-2005, 08:23 PM

Just want to respond to something. If it is widely believed that ntndeacon is a knight (the sword thing in his death) and he votes with me, would that not be a statement to my goodness?

And the people that voted against me are thereby bad?

BrianD · 07-06-2005, 08:27 PM

Was Airhog's move chaotic, or was there some specific reason for the change?

Desnudo · 07-06-2005, 08:27 PM

Actually, I was under the impression that it was believed that deacon was bad.

kingfc22 · 07-06-2005, 08:28 PM

I just find it interesting that Taz and Swaggs just voted for each other as if they were throw away votes. Why not pile on Eagles or myself who were the two high vote getters? Kind of suspicous if you ask me.

TazFTW · 07-06-2005, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desnudo

Actually, I was under the impression that it was believed that deacon was bad.

So the reason he would have a sword is?

Werewolves use swords?
Magicians?
Knights?

Tigercat · 07-06-2005, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TazFTW

Just want to respond to something. If it is widely believed that ntndeacon is a knight (the sword thing in his death) and he votes with me, would that not be a statement to my goodness?

And the people that voted against me are thereby bad?

Yea but first he voted for me and then he switched it to someone else. After implying that he knew who killed him. At best hes a chaotic crazyassed ghost, at worse hes something that can be trusted even less. I would bet on Airhog being a knight before ntndeacon, even if the sword thing was a little peculiar.

As far as the lynching, Lathum and his accused can still be held accountable in the future, and now with time we can better figure out the truth, rather than running around blindly while Lathum calls "Polo."

Desnudo · 07-06-2005, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TazFTW

So the reason he would have a sword is?

Werewolves use swords?
Magicians?
Knights?

You know all the roles that are in the game? Please, do tell. A sword is a tool, for good or for evil.

kingfc22 · 07-06-2005, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TazFTW

So the reason he would have a sword is?

Werewolves use swords?
Magicians?
Knights?

Good pt.

Why would a werewolf or a magician need a sword, especially when there are knights around who DO use them?

Desnudo · 07-06-2005, 08:38 PM

It's not a good point.

How do you know there aren't other bad guys in the game that do use swords? Don't get caught up in the "only must be magicians and werewolves" idea since Peregrine clearly stated there are other factions. I think everyone is reading way too much into the sword left. Look at actions.

BrianD · 07-06-2005, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigercat

A ghost voting for someone from the good side? That makes no sense to me, especially since I can't see Peregrine revealing to the ghosts who killed them when they can vote in this game. Unless NTN is a chaotic voting ghost I think we got lucky, and despite his sword, a badguy was killed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lathum

You are %100 correct

I'm still not sure if Lathum knows somehting or was guessing here.

Swaggs · 07-06-2005, 08:41 PM

Plus, look at the description of the ghosts in the rules.

There is someone, who is still living, that has a relationship with the ghosts. Only the dead know what they are able to do (or not do), but, in my opinion, the master of the ghosts is not a positive role. Having 2+ chaotic ghosts cannot be a good thing.

TazFTW · 07-06-2005, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desnudo

Look at actions.

Okay, let's look at your actions. You vote for Airhog, switch to Kevin, and then tried to switch to Eaglesfan to cause the tie (which would have resulted in the death of either Airhog or Eaglesfan).

You then voted for SirFozzie and then switched again to king (the new Kevin).

and then you say,

Quote:

I'll repeat again that I don't think Eaglesfan was a wolf and anyone who voted for him did so without any cause whatsoever.

So the question is Senetor Kerry, why did you try to vote for Eaglesfan the first time when you did not think there was any cause to do so?

Tigercat · 07-06-2005, 08:55 PM

We've only had 2 nights, how much of a concidence would it be for lathum to be the seer and the one guy he chose to view in the first two nights is the one guy that was killed? Its possible, I suppose, but I just assumed that Lathum was agreeing with me that it seemed unlikely that Peregrine was telling ghosts who killed them.

As far as the ghosts, who knows what the roles of whoever has a role with them is. How many people have a role that involves the ghosts? Can any of those people control the ghosts? Talk with them? All that is really told to us is that while one(and perhaps the only) of the ghost persons is alive the ghosts can vote. It could be that that person could only allow for that. I agree though, if there is a ghost person that can control the ghosts the ghost behavior would seemingly put that person in a negative role right now. It does sound like possible Magician role(s), only who knows what the magicians are really all about.

Swaggs · 07-06-2005, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TazFTW

Okay, let's look at your actions. You vote for Airhog, switch to Kevin, and then tried to switch to Eaglesfan to cause the tie (which would have resulted in the death of either Airhog or Eaglesfan).

You then voted for SirFozzie and then switched again to king (the new Kevin).

and then you say,

So the question is Senetor Kerry, why did you try to vote for Eaglesfan the first time when you did not think there was any cause to do so?

You're wrong.

As per the rules: If there is a tie in the lynch voting, there will not be a lynch that day.

TazFTW · 07-06-2005, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs

You're wrong.

As per the rules: If there is a tie in the lynch voting, there will not be a lynch that day.

Crap, another rule change.

Barkeep49 · 07-06-2005, 09:38 PM

It was actually a change from the middle of last game. Becareful about ties. I nearly caused a tie trying to protect a person who was indeed innocent and it eventaully caused me to be lynched.

TazFTW · 07-06-2005, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

It was actually a change from the middle of last game. Becareful about ties. I nearly caused a tie trying to protect a person who was indeed innocent and it eventaully caused me to be lynched.

That would probably explain why I never saw it in the second game as I was lynched 2nd and had a passing interest the rest of the way.

TazFTW · 07-06-2005, 09:49 PM

dola

Then wouldn't it be advantageous for the wolves (bad guys) to try to get ties in the lynch vote because then no one gets lynched and then the wolves can eat without reprecussion.

jeff061 · 07-06-2005, 10:07 PM

Eventually yeah, the idea is early in the game we just don't have enough iformation and therefor an innocent is almost guarenteed to be lynched. So if there is a tie the first round it gives us an extra day to make a more informed decision.

Lathum · 07-06-2005, 10:27 PM

OK, just in case I am killed tonight. I am possitive King is evil, that combined with Airhog's last minute switch makes me suspiscous of both of them.

If I am killed tonight you know where to go.

SirFozzie · 07-06-2005, 10:32 PM

Airhog's you know.. already dead?

Lathum · 07-06-2005, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Airhog's you know.. already dead?

so, he can still vote in the future.

Desnudo · 07-06-2005, 10:46 PM

After reading through the Ghost role, I'm wondering how much control they have over their votes. It sounds like they could have a predetermined behaviour assigned to them.

Lathum · 07-06-2005, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desnudo

After reading through the Ghost role, I'm wondering how much control they have over their votes. It sounds like they could have a predetermined behaviour assigned to them.

what would be the point?

JeeberD · 07-06-2005, 10:50 PM

Lathum's grumpy. Rough flight?

Lathum · 07-06-2005, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeeberD

Lathum's grumpy. Rough flight?

shutup, rough 2 weeks in the box?

Fonzie · 07-06-2005, 11:03 PM

Now, now you two. Let's play nice.

JeeberD · 07-06-2005, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

shutup, rough 2 weeks in the box?

He musta got stuck between two fat women who hadn't showered in a week...

Airhog · 07-06-2005, 11:06 PM

*wails and moans*

Fonzie · 07-06-2005, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airhog

*wails and moans*

In death did you, by chance, transmogrify into one of HA's hoagies?

07-06-2005, 07:50 PM	#252
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	I just don't get what lathum would get out of being so adamant of people's guilt, so quickly in the game. If he's right, he's obviously their #1 target, and will be quickly out of the game. If he's mistaken or wrong, he's got the Airhog thing down. He will be lynched just because he's costing us valuable people. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

07-06-2005, 07:51 PM	#253
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	I unvote lathum. I vote King __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

07-06-2005, 07:53 PM	#256
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	UNVOTE SIRFOZZZIE VOTE EAGLES __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

07-06-2005, 07:54 PM	#257
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	what's up with the ambush of this new villager in town. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

07-06-2005, 07:55 PM	#258
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	just thought of something, Peregrine stated that there would be minor and major victories for some groups. Could the knights be a force from the church that wins a minor victory if us villagers survive, but wins a major victory if they win AND all magicians in the village are eliminated? The magician would definitely see that as evil.. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

07-06-2005, 07:45 PM	#251
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	Well we've got at least magicians and werewolves definitely right? That means at least two good sides to counteract the two bad. Maybe knights and something magical? The thing is that knights vs. magicians or werewolves doesn't really sound right. I would think it would be hunters and some sort of counter-magic group. So maybe you have a third set with knights vs. heathens, or whatever the counterpart would be.

07-06-2005, 07:52 PM	#254
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	Except Airhog didn't get lynched last game. Maybe he figures the stakes are worth it. Or maybe someone can protect him.

07-06-2005, 07:52 PM	#255
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Well really Lathum's play is a good deal smarter than Airhogs. After all we won't know whether he's right or wrong, will we? So if for whatever reason he's not eaten tonight (whether he is a wolf, the wolf have a different target, or he is protected) we really won't know what it means will we?

07-06-2005, 08:00 PM	#259
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	unvote king vote Eaglesfan27 __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

07-06-2005, 08:02 PM	#260
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I guess that Airhog is a "chaotic" ghost? __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-06-2005, 08:07 PM	#261
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	and we wait for Peregrine.. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

07-06-2005, 08:09 PM	#262
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	He is here.So it won't be too long.

07-06-2005, 08:11 PM	#263
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	In the final vote, the chaotic ghost of Airhog turns the tide: Eaglesfan27 (6) - Tigercat, Barkeep49, Fouts, Qwikshot, Kingfc22, Airhog Sirfozzie (2) - Eaglesfan27, Kwhit Kingfc22 (5) - Lathum, BrianD, Jeff061, Desnudo, SirFozzie Swaggs (2) - TazFTW, ntndeacon TazFTW (2) - Swaggs, Fonzie At least everyone voted this time. In a chaotic vote with several people named, it seemed that kingfc22 was done for, however a last minute shift left eaglesfan holding the short straw. He was violent in trying to elude the lynch, striking several and claiming loudly that he was a villager, but in the end he was brought down and hung on the tavern porch. Night 2 Eaglesfan27 - Lynched Day 2 ntndeacon - killed Night 1 BrianD Airhog - Lynched Day 1 TazFTW Desnudo Fonzie Qwikshot Jeff061 SirFozzie Barkeep49 kingfc22 Swaggs Kwhit Fouts Tigercat Lathum Have your night actions in by midnight please.

07-06-2005, 08:12 PM	#264
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I'm pretty sure I don't like the roles not being revealed. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-06-2005, 08:12 PM	#265
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	evil cackling from beyond the grave __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

07-06-2005, 08:14 PM	#267
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	wow. I thought it was tied. It seems being a ghost makes you unable to count.

07-06-2005, 08:18 PM	#268
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	I'll repeat again that I don't think Eaglesfan was a wolf and anyone who voted for him did so without any cause whatsoever. At least in King's case we have a definite commitment from Lathum, for better or worse. I would also have put forward Taz as having more evidence against him than Eagles. Oh well, it's certainly possible that magicians and wolves had merged interests on this one. Last edited by Desnudo : 07-06-2005 at 08:19 PM.

07-06-2005, 08:18 PM	#269
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Well the ghosts certainly have made things interesting. The no role revelation does add a whole new layer to the game. Perhaps there are hints in Pergines description that we're missing?

07-06-2005, 08:22 PM	#270
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	And if ghosts could talk, I would dearly love to ask Airhog what he's doing.

07-06-2005, 08:23 PM	#271
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Just want to respond to something. If it is widely believed that ntndeacon is a knight (the sword thing in his death) and he votes with me, would that not be a statement to my goodness? And the people that voted against me are thereby bad?

07-06-2005, 08:27 PM	#272
BrianD Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Was Airhog's move chaotic, or was there some specific reason for the change?

07-06-2005, 08:27 PM	#273
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	Actually, I was under the impression that it was believed that deacon was bad.

07-06-2005, 08:28 PM	#274
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	I just find it interesting that Taz and Swaggs just voted for each other as if they were throw away votes. Why not pile on Eagles or myself who were the two high vote getters? Kind of suspicous if you ask me. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

07-06-2005, 08:38 PM	#279
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	It's not a good point. How do you know there aren't other bad guys in the game that do use swords? Don't get caught up in the "only must be magicians and werewolves" idea since Peregrine clearly stated there are other factions. I think everyone is reading way too much into the sword left. Look at actions.

07-06-2005, 08:41 PM	#281
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Plus, look at the description of the ghosts in the rules. There is someone, who is still living, that has a relationship with the ghosts. Only the dead know what they are able to do (or not do), but, in my opinion, the master of the ghosts is not a positive role. Having 2+ chaotic ghosts cannot be a good thing. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-06-2005, 08:55 PM	#283
Tigercat College Starter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Federal Way, WA	We've only had 2 nights, how much of a concidence would it be for lathum to be the seer and the one guy he chose to view in the first two nights is the one guy that was killed? Its possible, I suppose, but I just assumed that Lathum was agreeing with me that it seemed unlikely that Peregrine was telling ghosts who killed them. As far as the ghosts, who knows what the roles of whoever has a role with them is. How many people have a role that involves the ghosts? Can any of those people control the ghosts? Talk with them? All that is really told to us is that while one(and perhaps the only) of the ghost persons is alive the ghosts can vote. It could be that that person could only allow for that. I agree though, if there is a ghost person that can control the ghosts the ghost behavior would seemingly put that person in a negative role right now. It does sound like possible Magician role(s), only who knows what the magicians are really all about.

07-06-2005, 09:38 PM	#286
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	It was actually a change from the middle of last game. Becareful about ties. I nearly caused a tie trying to protect a person who was indeed innocent and it eventaully caused me to be lynched.

07-06-2005, 09:49 PM	#288
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	dola Then wouldn't it be advantageous for the wolves (bad guys) to try to get ties in the lynch vote because then no one gets lynched and then the wolves can eat without reprecussion.

07-06-2005, 10:07 PM	#289
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Eventually yeah, the idea is early in the game we just don't have enough iformation and therefor an innocent is almost guarenteed to be lynched. So if there is a tie the first round it gives us an extra day to make a more informed decision. __________________

07-06-2005, 10:27 PM	#290
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	OK, just in case I am killed tonight. I am possitive King is evil, that combined with Airhog's last minute switch makes me suspiscous of both of them. If I am killed tonight you know where to go. Last edited by Lathum : 07-06-2005 at 10:29 PM.

07-06-2005, 10:32 PM	#291
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Airhog's you know.. already dead? __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

07-06-2005, 10:46 PM	#293
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	After reading through the Ghost role, I'm wondering how much control they have over their votes. It sounds like they could have a predetermined behaviour assigned to them.

07-06-2005, 10:50 PM	#295
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Lathum's grumpy. Rough flight? __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

07-06-2005, 11:03 PM	#297
Fonzie Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Illinois	Now, now you two. Let's play nice.

07-06-2005, 11:06 PM	#299
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	wails and moans __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!