Mafia Town - GAME OVER (Town Wins)

[CrimsonFox]

got any ideas?

[CrimsonFox]

vote zinto

[CrimsonFox]

but jackal is bugging me with his shadiness.

[cheekimonk]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

got any ideas?

On my catching up after the fact, nothing jumps out at me other than the Jackal/Autumn/TBFA trio (that has since resolved itself). So right now, I would lean toward targeting one of the less active posters. They could have a reason - like me - or they could be staying under the radar. Either way there's a problem. Looking for an "under the radar" person, the poster that sticks out the most to me in that group is Zinto. Just a lean right now.

[cheekimonk]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

vote zinto

Hmmm, you posted this as I was finishing my post below. Interesting, from an instinct perspective, that we landed on the same name.

[CrimsonFox]

heh well great minds and all that.
he made a hi post then nothing and it just sounded kinda ya know.
but i'd be okay with voting off ragone/Danny both with 0 posts

[cheekimonk]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

heh well great minds and all that.
he made a hi post then nothing and it just sounded kinda ya know.
but i'd be okay with voting off ragone/Danny both with 0 posts

I should mention that I also don't know a lot about the other posters you listed. But Zinto is most definitely more active, typically.

[CrimsonFox]

I'm coming to terms with the fact that brit might be neutral or evil too.
yes I'm good I'll admit it. I'm obviously not evil if you believe me.

[CrimsonFox]

er wait....do neutrals or evils now who each other are? i guess not. For a moment I thought so.
but i'm still good

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

but jackal is bugging me with his shadiness.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

hmmmm so what does this mean? jackal/brit can you confirm going to visit jail?
timmae i assume you are claiming something. let me figure out what.
incidently i kinda believe you

I can confirm visiting Autumn. Adding that to Timmae's account that Autumn was jailed (and Autumn's confirmation?), then yep, confirm the whole thing.

This would seem to indicate that Timmae's the jailer.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by cheekimonk

I agree:

2) Lynch needs to be outside Jackal and brit (as per timmae's logic).

I missed the part about lynching outside of me/Jackal. Frankly, I'm totally down to put pressure on that duo.

nominate Jackal

[The Jackal]

I have a town role that can be verified, if you'd like me to reveal

[cheekimonk]

Originally Posted by britrock88

I missed the part about lynching outside of me/Jackal. Frankly, I'm totally down to put pressure on that duo.

nominate Jackal

I think timmae's logic was that if TBFA was mafia (confirmed N2), then on N1 Autumn was jailed, targeted by mafia, and "visited" by you and Jackal. We can eliminate either of you being mafia unless they are completely incompetent (2-3 mafia attacking the same target N1...I don't even think that would work with NK order rules). Eliminating the werewolf (it was N1), it's hard to believe another NK role(s) - not being able to communicate with TBFA - would choose the same target. It's possible, but enough to steer me away from you 2 at this point.

[dubb93]

We got a mafia last night. That was perfect. With there being a possibility of only being 8 town per the rules I would say we let our roles work another night and fish out the evil rather than potentially hand over one of our own another day. If we do lynch make it one of the inactive since they likely wouldn't even be able to vote anyway. At some point every vote is going to be important and we are going to need everyone that is working in the interest of the town to be able to vote with the town voting bloc.

Vote Danny

He hasn't been active. We can always later vote him innocent if he decides to show up and explain himself.

[cheekimonk]

As per my previously posted logic:

vote Zinto

[EagleFan]

Nomination Vote

7 votes required

Zinto 2 - CrimsonFox (252), cheekimonk (266)
The Jackal 1 - britrock88 (262)
Danny 1 - dubb93 (265)

[Ziiggy]

Well I don’t know much, but think there is not a serial killer in the game, and that there is still uncertainty within the timmae, jackal, britrock group. It’s likely that TBFA, as the Mafioso, (who the WW conveniently whacked) was responsible for both attacks. That doesn’t mean the rest are automatically cleared, but between Jackal’s soft claim, Britrock’s escort alibi, and timmae’s assertions they feel at least partially clear and that’s enough to want to avoid lynching them. Chief, Dubb, Autumn, and CF also appear to be goods hunting, so that leaves Danny, lighthouse, Zinto, and Ragone. So I’m down with a Danny or Zinto nomination. As stated, if that doesn’t seem plausible later we don’t have to actually lynch. So for now I’ll Nominate Zinto.
Ps. I actually work most of the day and am highly distracted trying to write this ;p but will have another window before nomination deadline and check back in.

[lighthousekeeper]

i'm not sure there are 7 people active enough for a lynch

[Zinto]

Sorry guys. Real life has kicked my butt the last two days. I will be more active from here on out.

[Zinto]

If we are set on voting out someone who hasn't been active it makes sense to pick between me or Danny. Or whoever else hasn't been around to post much

[EagleFan]

Nomination Vote

7 votes required

Zinto 3 - CrimsonFox (252), cheekimonk (266), Ziiggy (268)
The Jackal 1 - britrock88 (262)
Danny 1 - dubb93 (265)

[Zinto]

I know there was talk about not wanting to vote someone out everyday. Are we changing course a bit? Are

[Zinto]

I probably won't vote for Jackal. He has been around and I don't think we need to make a decision there today.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Zinto

I know there was talk about not wanting to vote someone out everyday. Are we changing course a bit? Are

Others who have experience with this type of ruleset have said that. So I'm not jumping to vote myself, not without more information anyway.

[The Jackal]

Vote Danny

[EagleFan]

Nomination Vote

7 votes required

Zinto 3 - CrimsonFox (252), cheekimonk (266), Ziiggy (268)
Danny 2 - dubb93 (265), The Jackal (276)
The Jackal 1 - britrock88 (262)

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Others who have experience with this type of ruleset have said that. So I'm not jumping to vote myself, not without more information anyway.

That is kind of what I was thinking too. It doesn't look like we will get to seven votes before the deadline anyways.

[lighthousekeeper]

Vote Zinto

[Ziiggy]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Others who have experience with this type of ruleset have said that. So I'm not jumping to vote myself, not without more information anyway.

Agree with this. Plus Zinto comes across as genuine, thus towny. Unvote Zinto

[cheekimonk]

Well, dubb, Jackal and brit can move to Zinto now and we'll have a nominee. That doesn't mean Zinto will get lynched as he'd still have to get a majority of those voting yes/no afterwards.

[cheekimonk]

Originally Posted by Ziiggy

Agree with this. Plus Zinto comes across as genuine, thus towny. Unvote Zinto

Ok, nevermind.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by cheekimonk

Well, dubb, Jackal and brit can move to Zinto now and we'll have a nominee. That doesn't mean Zinto will get lynched as he'd still have to get a majority of those voting yes/no afterwards.

It still could happen. I am not entirely opposed to it. I would just hope that I would not be voted out based on a day of not being active. Mainly because we need every non-evil person around if we are going to win.

[cheekimonk]

Originally Posted by Zinto

It still could happen. I am not entirely opposed to it. I would just hope that I would not be voted out based on a day of not being active. Mainly because we need every non-evil person around if we are going to win.

I know you argued, and I agree, that it's dangerous for the town to skip lynches as it puts all the power in others' hands - including evil guys - but offing the mafioso so quickly gives us more room for error.

EDIT: Sorry, it may have been Jackal that said that.

[Zinto]

And a counter to at least having someone on the block everyday is that it fosters discussion until deadline and that was lacking yesterday.

[Ziiggy]

Originally Posted by britrock88

I can confirm visiting Autumn. Adding that to Timmae's account that Autumn was jailed (and Autumn's confirmation?), then yep, confirm the whole thing.

This would seem to indicate that Timmae's the jailer.

Does it seem likely that the Jailor would know who was targeting his captive? I don't think timmae said Autumn was jailed, just that he was visited by 3 people that night.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by cheekimonk

I know you argued, and I agree, that it's dangerous for the town to skip lynches as it puts all the power in others' hands - including evil guys - but offing the mafioso so quickly gives us more room for error.

EDIT: Sorry, it may have been Jackal that said that.

Yep that was Jackal. I would normally agree with that. It usually doesn't help the village at all when they skip a lynch. In this game type it seems that it has benefits.

[EagleFan]

Nomination Vote

7 votes required

Zinto 3 - CrimsonFox (252), cheekimonk (266), lighthousekeeper (279)
Danny 2 - dubb93 (265), The Jackal (276)
The Jackal 1 - britrock88 (262)

[EagleFan]

two minute warning

[EagleFan]

Deadline

No nominated player.

Next deadline is 9 PM EST tonight for the jailer to get his action in.

Please send any updated jailer notes that you would like to send to the jailer should you be jailed.

[britrock88]

Man, that deadline comes quickly.

[britrock88]

I like coordinating our moves, but being too open about who we are can make the pickings easy for the godfather and whatever other killers are out there.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by britrock88

I like coordinating our moves, but being too open about who we are can make the pickings easy for the godfather and whatever other killers are out there.

Agreed. It has been a struggle to discuss things because I don't want it to be too obvious, but I think it's pretty clear what a number of people are, or at least there's a small window of what roles they could be.

[timmae]

Originally Posted by Ziiggy

Does it seem likely that the Jailor would know who was targeting his captive? I don't think timmae said Autumn was jailed, just that he was visited by 3 people that night.

For the record I didn't know Autumn was jailed... he stated such and the evidence seems to point to that but it is not 100% confirmed.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Zinto

It still could happen. I am not entirely opposed to it. I would just hope that I would not be voted out based on a day of not being active. Mainly because we need every non-evil person around if we are going to win.

nonevil huh?

[Zinto]

Hopefully with a little bit more information from today/tonight and we can be more aggressive in putting someone up for the lynch vote.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

nonevil huh?

Yeah I figured that was the best way to describe all of the baddies in this game

[Autumn]

Sorry for another quiet day from me, work is killing me. I agree with not really lynching today anyway, I like the idea of keeping as many good roles around as possible to give us info. I hope to post more as day/game goes on, but we'll see.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Zinto

Yeah I figured that was the best way to describe all of the baddies in this game

riiiiiiiiiiiight, riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. werewolves aren't bad. gotcha mr. neutral.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

riiiiiiiiiiiight, riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. werewolves aren't bad. gotcha mr. neutral.

Yea, well, the werewolf is "neutral evil." He's bad. He's not working with the mafia, but he's working for himself and I would guess his win condition is likely to kill everyone but himself.

Some of the neutral roles will have village friendly, if not entirely straight villager, win conditions. What I'm saying is that in Town of Salem some of the neutral roles will win with the village, some will win with the baddies, and some will win just by themselves.

It's not just going to be straight win with the mafia or win with the village. All of the neutral roles in Town of Salem have a condition that must first be met and then a "win by" following that.

For instance a role that I'm very familiar with from that game is the exe. It's in basically every Town of Salem game you will play as it's a default role. The exe is one that wins on his own. He must first get the town to lynch his target and then he must get himself lynched after that in order to win. He's not working with the town or the mafia.

Many of the killing roles that are in Town of Salem, such as the serial killer (another default role in that game), intentionally work against the mafia and one of their win conditions is to eliminate all of the mafia.

So by itself neutral doesn't mean bad. It depends on the actual role. With only 8 villagers (9 max if we got lucky with random) it probably is not prudent to just cast away all the neutral roles as evil. We will quickly find ourselves outnumbered and lacking key votes when we need them.