Werewolf LXIII - Fall of the Elementals (Game Over - Avatars Win!) - Page 6

Coffee Warlord · 12-13-2007, 09:55 AM

The Sign of the Squid burns brightly all night, its power being focused by any
number of beings this evening. As the sun rises, you immediately realize one
among you is no longer. PurdueBrad is found, his true Elemental
form shining through. Well, not really shining. You have to be alive to shine.
He's, well...not. He does, however, have a tasty bowl of fresh calamari beside
him, which you all enjoy as a tasty treat before going back to your business for
the day.

The wise ones report that today shall be under the Sign of the Yak.

Oh, Holy Yak, May You Grant Us Freedom and Power!

Oh, Holy Yak, Guide Us With Your Wisdom!

Oh, Holy Yak, Make Us Bricks!

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 10:07 AM

I'll throw this out there now. I sensed a presence in my room last night and was definantly visited.

st.cronin · 12-13-2007, 10:08 AM

Somebody changed my abilities last night.

jeheinz72 · 12-13-2007, 10:09 AM

I didn't use my ability (would've been silly to).

What about scan abilities? Any reason those who use that shouldn't just come forward? They wouldn't really invite a night kill as it's likely a 1-time use anyhow.

Jonathan Ezarik · 12-13-2007, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

What about scan abilities? Any reason those who use that shouldn't just come forward? They wouldn't really invite a night kill as it's likely a 1-time use anyhow.

I think that if anyone used their scanning ability last night they should give us the info. As you said, it's a one shot deal, so they're not going to be a kill target.

SnDvls · 12-13-2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I'll throw this out there now. I sensed a presence in my room last night and was definantly visited.

I was too. I actually saw a ghost like person...lots of orange

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Somebody changed my abilities last night.

Cronin speaks the truth. I don't know what his abilities were, but I know that they were changed and I was not the one who changed them.

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 10:29 AM

Also, I was a target last night - I'm not sure what ritual was used towards/against me but someone should have learned ... well, something, I guess.

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

just want to say my power for the squid is that I get to randomly alter 1 power of another player

hope that helps me in this fight

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I don't have a 2/2 split, but I do share the same power as SnDvls. Do the Avatars have the same powers that the elementals do?

So here are two candidates to have altered Cronin's powers. No idea if that was with good/ill intent, but Cronin's powers being altered didn't stop Team Avatar from killing PurdueBrad last night.

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

I was too. I actually saw a ghost like person...lots of orange

OK, after re-reading SnDvls post I laughed pretty hard.

I don't think I gain too much by trying to lay the trap that I was initially so I'll just lay the cards on the table.

I summoned an ethereal servant to view SnDvls. I told CoffeeWarlord that I was naming my servant "Ardent Enthusiast". I'm guessing this is why SnDvls saw the ghost in orange

I saw SnDvls direct his "change power" option at Cronin. So SnDvls was not the killer last night and he used the power that he said he had - both points in his favor, from where I sit.

jeheinz72 · 12-13-2007, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, after re-reading SnDvls post I laughed pretty hard.

I don't think I gain too much by trying to lay the trap that I was initially so I'll just lay the cards on the table.

I summoned an ethereal servant to view SnDvls. I told CoffeeWarlord that I was naming my servant "Ardent Enthusiast". I'm guessing this is why SnDvls saw the ghost in orange

I saw SnDvls direct his "change power" option at Cronin. So SnDvls was not the killer last night and he used the power that he said he had - both points in his favor, from where I sit.

So can we take this to mean Lathum was scanned as well? Anyone?

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 10:47 AM

I find it interesting that it is Hoops who is claiming to clear sndvls.

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 10:48 AM

JE, SnDvls would be a better person than me to answer this question since I know he was visited by my ethereal servant. He has a better idea of what the PM of a "visited" person looks like than I do as the sender.

Also, if someone else would like - at a point in the game where they feel it adds value, not necessarily now - to admit to having the same "Ethereal Servant" power that I do I'll be happy to question them about some particulars on that ability. I would be pretty surprised if the Avatars have this power in their bag of tricks. This would hopefully help me and another player/players build trust at some point.

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I find it interesting that it is Hoops who is claiming to clear sndvls.

I'm clearing him of being the killer last night, not of being an Avatar. But I trust him more than most in the game at this point. He will almost certainly not be my vote today.

Should I have used this ability on another player, Lathum? If so, who? I'm interested in hearing your Thursday-morning-QB thoughts on the matter.

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm clearing him of being the killer last night, not of being an Avatar. But I trust him more than most in the game at this point. He will almost certainly not be my vote today.

Should I have used this ability on another player, Lathum? If so, who? I'm interested in hearing your Thursday-morning-QB thoughts on the matter.

It's just a little to convienient for me.

You save sndvls last night at the last minute and condem Pass ( an elemental) then you happen to hit the 25% chance that you could scan someone and sndvls comes up good.

SnDvls · 12-13-2007, 10:57 AM

I will confirm it was indeed "Ardent Enthusiast" in a Tennessee hat...

CW at his best again in this game that is for sure

SnDvls · 12-13-2007, 10:59 AM

dola _ I didn't want to give a name, but knew my hint would tip off anyone who had the same visitor or in your case hoops the person who sent him

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 11:00 AM

sigh...

I'm not sure I buy it.

I want to, I really do

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 11:05 AM

SnDvls, I'm interested in hearing what impact you had on Cronin since we (well, I) know that you used your power against him.

Lathum, I'll answer any questions that you have about my vote last night, my use of powers last night, or whatever else comes to mind. Does it sound like your visitor last night was an "ethereal servant", similar to the one I sent to check on SnDvls, or do you think you had something different?

Barkeep49 · 12-13-2007, 11:08 AM

I tenatively trust hoops and sndvls more.

Cronin? With his seemingly constant backtracking? Not so much.

Vote cronin

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 11:09 AM

something different. no details were given about my visitor.

I just think you guys are playig a convienient game.

Now no one is going to want to "waste" a scan on either of you for a while.

claphamsa · 12-13-2007, 11:10 AM

Kinda off topic, but what is this ardent untusiast? in orange?

SnDvls · 12-13-2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

SnDvls, I'm interested in hearing what impact you had on Cronin since we (well, I) know that you used your power against him.

Lathum, I'll answer any questions that you have about my vote last night, my use of powers last night, or whatever else comes to mind. Does it sound like your visitor last night was an "ethereal servant", similar to the one I sent to check on SnDvls, or do you think you had something different?

I'll I got was the previously reported visitor info and that I was successful in altering his powers, nothing else.

I made my final decision on what Barkeep brought up about his actions from yesterday.

SnDvls · 12-13-2007, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

Kinda off topic, but what is this ardent untusiast? in orange?

Ardent Enthusiast is a huge Tennessee fan (hence the orange) and is/was a poster on FOFC here and has played in several WW games

SnDvls · 12-13-2007, 11:16 AM

hoops - since we got to talking about powers and all yesterday. I offered up mine so you should as well. Don't you think?

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 11:17 AM

Clap, Ardent Enthusiast is a former member of the FOFC community. He played in a number of werewolf games over the last couple of years. He is a serious, serious fan of the Tennesse Volunteers. If you do a search for this poster on FOFC you will find ample examples of this.

Both Coffee Warlord and I have met him in person (as have Barkeep and Passacaglia) so it was an amusing joke for me to make with the Warlord when sending in my orders.

Lathum, I can't control how people see fit to use their powers. I'm OK with people using them on me to build trust if that is what they think is the best move. It is an individual decision if that is a "wasted" scan. I would prefer they try to find Avatars, but everyone gets to play their own game with incomplete information.

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

hoops - since we got to talking about powers and all yesterday. I offered up mine so you should as well. Don't you think?

Well, we've both offered up one power at this point. Do you want to know what my split is on day/night/choice actions? Or are you asking another question?

SnDvls · 12-13-2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Well, we've both offered up one power at this point. Do you want to know what my split is on day/night/choice actions? Or are you asking another question?

I'm not asking for your powers, just the split as we've both lost the squid one anyhow that one doesn't really matter to either of us.

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 11:32 AM

SnDvls, I have a 3/1 split with three nighttime actions and one daytime action. So 2/1 remaining in play.

Assuming that the logic of using this as a validator is now gone (I think it is, based on late-breaking feedback last night) I'm hoping other people won't feel the need to divulge this information. But I'll give you the "quid pro quo" on this since I pushed you last night on the topic.

SnDvls · 12-13-2007, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

SnDvls, I have a 3/1 split with three nighttime actions and one daytime action. So 2/1 remaining in play.

Assuming that the logic of using this as a validator is now gone (I think it is, based on late-breaking feedback last night) I'm hoping other people won't feel the need to divulge this information. But I'll give you the "quid pro quo" on this since I pushed you last night on the topic.

agreed

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 11:35 AM

Actions last night:
SnDvls - altered Cronin's actions
Hoopsguy - sent ethereal servant (Ardent Enthusiast) to check out SnDvls
???? - performed a ritual on/at Hoopsguy
???? - presence/visit of Lathum

Anyone else have actions performed on them or by them to report? Because at some point we need to start drawing some voting conclusions for today.

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 11:36 AM

Unless someone comes forward with new information Hoopsguy is 100% my vote.

IMO it makes the most sense. We would find out about sndvls plus hoops has already used one of his powers.

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 11:40 AM

Lathum, I think your concerns about being "tricked" are overruling common sense if that is your approach.

claphamsa · 12-13-2007, 11:42 AM

did anyone scan anyone? My powers stink so I couldnt.

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Lathum, I think your concerns about being "tricked" are overruling common sense if that is your approach.

so give me a better candidate

SnDvls · 12-13-2007, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Unless someone comes forward with new information Hoopsguy is 100% my vote.

IMO it makes the most sense. We would find out about sndvls plus hoops has already used one of his powers.

you actually wouldn't find out about either of us unless we have some confirmation that the Avatars don't have 4 powers like us.

if hoops is bad that doesn't automatically clear anyone until we get a lot more information. Same with me as there isn't enough information out there to go on.

If you are voting hoops right now after we're only 2 hours into day 2 on the limited info we have you are making a mistake IMO. You are making a huge jump this early in the game.

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Unless someone comes forward with new information Hoopsguy is 100% my vote.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnDvls

If you are voting hoops right now after we're only 2 hours into day 2 on the limited info we have you are making a mistake IMO. You are making a huge jump this early in the game.

did you miss something?

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

so give me a better candidate

I'll work on it throughout the day. But I'm going to wait another hour or two to see if we get some new information.

For better or worse, you'll know where I stand with plenty of time to react, dispute, question, and maybe even agree

.

SnDvls · 12-13-2007, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

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did you miss something?

did I see a timetable on that?

you made it sould like someone need to give you something right now! or the vote is being thrown down!

Barkeep49 · 12-13-2007, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Lathum, I think your concerns about being "tricked" are overruling common sense if that is your approach.

I agree with this. It seems like you're trying a little too hard to be clever Lathum.

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

did I see a timetable on that?

you made it sould like someone need to give you something right now! or the vote is being thrown down!

nope, but I am eager for new info.

I just can't help but think we are being played.

Barkeep49 · 12-13-2007, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I agree with this. It seems like you're trying a little too hard to be clever Lathum.

Which isn't to say that SnDvls and Hoops wouldn't do it, but I think it's a stretch to focus on it so heavily D2. In effect you're willing to say that you're willing to sacrafice one person to clear one other person. That doesn't seem like a good trade. We start talking about sacraficing one person to see about 2 players and I might be convinced. But this one for one just doesn't do it for me.

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I agree with this. It seems like you're trying a little too hard to be clever Lathum.

think what you like.

All I am saying is with the current information at hand Hoops is the most logical choice.

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 11:55 AM

Clap - sounds like you didn't learn anything from last night?

JEH - anything to report?

BK - anything to report?

PB - sorry you got hit last night as it appears we were on the same team for once.

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Which isn't to say that SnDvls and Hoops wouldn't do it, but I think it's a stretch to focus on it so heavily D2. In effect you're willing to say that you're willing to sacrafice one person to clear one other person. That doesn't seem like a good trade. We start talking about sacraficing one person to see about 2 players and I might be convinced. But this one for one just doesn't do it for me.

that logic is flawed.

We have to sacrifice SOMEONE, don't we?

may as well sacrifice someone we could potentialy gain info from who has already used one of their powers.

Barkeep49 · 12-13-2007, 12:02 PM

Nothing to report here.

jeheinz72 · 12-13-2007, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

JEH - anything to report?

Nada. My power for last night wasn't one that really made much sense to use as there wasn't much info to make a wise decision with it.

Barkeep49 · 12-13-2007, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

that logic is flawed.

We have to sacrifice SOMEONE, don't we?

may as well sacrifice someone we could potentialy gain info from who has already used one of their powers.

Sure we have to sacrafice someone. I just think that hoops is slightly less likely, on the whole, to be an avatar based on recent events. Cronin? He's seemed quite suspicious to me and I'd be happy to see him sacraficed. Even better, I'm willing to commit to voting hoops if cronin turns up guilty.

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 12:12 PM

OK, updating what I started working on in Post #281. Here is a list of what I've got from events last night.

Swaggs, welcome to the party. Anything new to add from last night?

Night 1:
BK - nothing to report
Hoops - sent Ethereal Servant to view SnDvls. Had ritual performed on him by ???
Clap - nothing to report
Path -
JE -
Saldana -
Lathum - viewed by ???
Swaggs -
Cronin - powers altered by SnDvls
JEH - nothing to report
Schmidty -
MrW -
SnDvls - altered SnDvls powers, viewed by Hoops

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 12:15 PM

Updating my tracking list with people who have not posted anything yet today (still need info):

Night 1:
BK - nothing to report
Hoops - sent Ethereal Servant to view SnDvls. Had ritual performed on him by ???
Clap - nothing to report
*Path -
JE -
*Saldana -
Lathum - visited by ???
*Swaggs -
Cronin - powers altered by SnDvls
Heinz - did not use ability
*Schmidty -
*MrW -
SnDvls - altered SnDvls powers, viewed by Hoops

* = have not posted during Day 2

12-13-2007, 10:08 AM	#253
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Somebody changed my abilities last night. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

12-13-2007, 11:10 AM	#272
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	Kinda off topic, but what is this ardent untusiast? in orange? __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

12-13-2007, 11:42 AM	#284
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	did anyone scan anyone? My powers stink so I couldnt. __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

12-13-2007, 09:55 AM	#251
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	The Sign of the Squid burns brightly all night, its power being focused by any number of beings this evening. As the sun rises, you immediately realize one among you is no longer. PurdueBrad is found, his true Elemental form shining through. Well, not really shining. You have to be alive to shine. He's, well...not. He does, however, have a tasty bowl of fresh calamari beside him, which you all enjoy as a tasty treat before going back to your business for the day. The wise ones report that today shall be under the Sign of the Yak. Oh, Holy Yak, May You Grant Us Freedom and Power! Oh, Holy Yak, Guide Us With Your Wisdom! Oh, Holy Yak, Make Us Bricks!

12-13-2007, 10:07 AM	#252
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I'll throw this out there now. I sensed a presence in my room last night and was definantly visited.

12-13-2007, 10:09 AM	#254
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	I didn't use my ability (would've been silly to). What about scan abilities? Any reason those who use that shouldn't just come forward? They wouldn't really invite a night kill as it's likely a 1-time use anyhow.

12-13-2007, 10:29 AM	#258
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Also, I was a target last night - I'm not sure what ritual was used towards/against me but someone should have learned ... well, something, I guess.

12-13-2007, 10:47 AM	#262
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I find it interesting that it is Hoops who is claiming to clear sndvls.

12-13-2007, 10:48 AM	#263
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	JE, SnDvls would be a better person than me to answer this question since I know he was visited by my ethereal servant. He has a better idea of what the PM of a "visited" person looks like than I do as the sender. Also, if someone else would like - at a point in the game where they feel it adds value, not necessarily now - to admit to having the same "Ethereal Servant" power that I do I'll be happy to question them about some particulars on that ability. I would be pretty surprised if the Avatars have this power in their bag of tricks. This would hopefully help me and another player/players build trust at some point.

12-13-2007, 10:57 AM	#266
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	I will confirm it was indeed "Ardent Enthusiast" in a Tennessee hat... CW at his best again in this game that is for sure

12-13-2007, 10:59 AM	#267
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	dola _ I didn't want to give a name, but knew my hint would tip off anyone who had the same visitor or in your case hoops the person who sent him

12-13-2007, 11:00 AM	#268
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	sigh... I'm not sure I buy it. I want to, I really do

12-13-2007, 11:05 AM	#269
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	SnDvls, I'm interested in hearing what impact you had on Cronin since we (well, I) know that you used your power against him. Lathum, I'll answer any questions that you have about my vote last night, my use of powers last night, or whatever else comes to mind. Does it sound like your visitor last night was an "ethereal servant", similar to the one I sent to check on SnDvls, or do you think you had something different?

12-13-2007, 11:08 AM	#270
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I tenatively trust hoops and sndvls more. Cronin? With his seemingly constant backtracking? Not so much. Vote cronin

12-13-2007, 11:09 AM	#271
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	something different. no details were given about my visitor. I just think you guys are playig a convienient game. Now no one is going to want to "waste" a scan on either of you for a while.

12-13-2007, 11:16 AM	#275
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	hoops - since we got to talking about powers and all yesterday. I offered up mine so you should as well. Don't you think?

12-13-2007, 11:17 AM	#276
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Clap, Ardent Enthusiast is a former member of the FOFC community. He played in a number of werewolf games over the last couple of years. He is a serious, serious fan of the Tennesse Volunteers. If you do a search for this poster on FOFC you will find ample examples of this. Both Coffee Warlord and I have met him in person (as have Barkeep and Passacaglia) so it was an amusing joke for me to make with the Warlord when sending in my orders. Lathum, I can't control how people see fit to use their powers. I'm OK with people using them on me to build trust if that is what they think is the best move. It is an individual decision if that is a "wasted" scan. I would prefer they try to find Avatars, but everyone gets to play their own game with incomplete information.

12-13-2007, 11:32 AM	#279
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	SnDvls, I have a 3/1 split with three nighttime actions and one daytime action. So 2/1 remaining in play. Assuming that the logic of using this as a validator is now gone (I think it is, based on late-breaking feedback last night) I'm hoping other people won't feel the need to divulge this information. But I'll give you the "quid pro quo" on this since I pushed you last night on the topic.

12-13-2007, 11:35 AM	#281
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Actions last night: SnDvls - altered Cronin's actions Hoopsguy - sent ethereal servant (Ardent Enthusiast) to check out SnDvls ???? - performed a ritual on/at Hoopsguy ???? - presence/visit of Lathum Anyone else have actions performed on them or by them to report? Because at some point we need to start drawing some voting conclusions for today.

12-13-2007, 11:36 AM	#282
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Unless someone comes forward with new information Hoopsguy is 100% my vote. IMO it makes the most sense. We would find out about sndvls plus hoops has already used one of his powers.

12-13-2007, 11:40 AM	#283
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Lathum, I think your concerns about being "tricked" are overruling common sense if that is your approach.

12-13-2007, 11:55 AM	#294
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Clap - sounds like you didn't learn anything from last night? JEH - anything to report? BK - anything to report? PB - sorry you got hit last night as it appears we were on the same team for once.

12-13-2007, 12:02 PM	#296
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Nothing to report here.

12-13-2007, 12:12 PM	#299
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	OK, updating what I started working on in Post #281. Here is a list of what I've got from events last night. Swaggs, welcome to the party. Anything new to add from last night? Night 1: BK - nothing to report Hoops - sent Ethereal Servant to view SnDvls. Had ritual performed on him by ??? Clap - nothing to report Path - JE - Saldana - Lathum - viewed by ??? Swaggs - Cronin - powers altered by SnDvls JEH - nothing to report Schmidty - MrW - SnDvls - altered SnDvls powers, viewed by Hoops

12-13-2007, 12:15 PM	#300
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Updating my tracking list with people who have not posted anything yet today (still need info): Night 1: BK - nothing to report Hoops - sent Ethereal Servant to view SnDvls. Had ritual performed on him by ??? Clap - nothing to report Path - JE - Saldana - Lathum - visited by ??? Swaggs - Cronin - powers altered by SnDvls Heinz - did not use ability Schmidty - MrW - SnDvls - altered SnDvls powers, viewed by Hoops = have not posted during Day 2

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