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[The Jackal]

work on biodome

[The Jackal]

vote shark

[The Jackal]

I've had trouble reading shark because of the way he writes his posts and him being new, but that only gives you a pass for so long

[CrimsonFox]

So this vote for 2 minutes out. This vote alone would kinda clear dangarion.

Originally Posted by britrock88

He's being feisty. I like it!

unvote saldana
vote dangarion

Originally Posted by Grover

Sold.

unvote Saldana
vote DanGarion

Not sure what this says about grover.

Originally Posted by britrock88

For science!

unvote dangarion
vote saldana

This now is FUD but back to dangarion being a definite suspect. THis is at the buzzer.

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Final Vote

saldana 6 - timmae (2717), britrock88 (2820), Shoveler (2775), DanGarion (2788), Thomkal (2798), fontisian (2801)
DanGarion 5 - Suicane75 (2773), The Jackal (2774), ntndeacon (2777), Raven (2790), Grover (2818)
Sharkn20 3 - CrimsonFox (2698), GoldenEagle (2760), Zinto (2780)
The Jackal 1 - Narcizo (2628)
Shoveler 1 - Autumn (2655)
CrimsonFox 1 - Sharkn20 (2699)

Explore heat source - saldana (2708), CrimsonFox (2711), Suicane (2715), ntndeacon (2779), DanGarion (2788), Raven (2808)
Explore flatland - Grover (2713), timmae (2719), Zinto (2782), fontisian (2801)

Staying at base
britrock88
Autumn - healing britrock88
The Jackal

so that could have been risky if brit was a wolf. brit might not have thought anyone would follow him. If no one did, the move meant nothing. if brit had stayed on saldana and no one moved it still would have been 6-5 at the end with brit being on safe dangarion.

BUT Grover moved and brit moved immediately back.

I think that means something.

vote dangarion

[timmae]

Thanks Jackal!

We currently have 4 people on biodome as Shark voted to work on it as well... I believe only 3 resources are needed but nor sure exactly what trait is best. Thoughts?

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Early Evening Results

CrimsonFox, ntndeacon, DanGarion and Raven have returned from the area of the heat source. They all look rather worn and battered from the journey. They can explain what they found for this first trip.


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britrock88 has been healed thanks to the treatment today and is back at full health.


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fontisian has been named to the Police Force by Thomkal.


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Another accident has been triggered. This one had devastating effects on the colony. Thomkal and fontisian have been caught in the accident. Both have been badly injured. Neither will be able to participate in an action on Day 9 but may vote.


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The police force has shown up, grabbed GoldenEagle and thrown him in prison. He may not participate in an action on day 9.

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Night 8 Results

Another pool of blood and another victim has been found. Autumn has been killed. Next to the body is a note, "Viva La Reistance". Your troubles continue. Autumn was the Chief of Staff at Boston General and was forced to resign due to major scandal. He was a loyal colonist.

these back to back posts.
Golden eagle was put in jail and THEN the resistance killed autumn.

I guess he COULD still be in the resistance if there was still more than one around.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Raven

OK I am about to make some claims that will likely put my life at risk, but I am doing so for the benefit of the colony. All of these claims are based upon information that can be proven from public posts, and the events that have transpired since we landed. I will attempt to provide as much proof as possible.


Despite my recent differences with fontisian, she was a good leader.
With her in charge, we built up our colony and made progress. We formed a government building, a biodome and a medical center. (Am I missing anything?) With font in charge, we also did not have to kill off our own colonists. We were moving as a cohesive group to further the colony, and under a democratic society. We lost Schmidty and Danny early on, but then went days without losing anyone.

Since Thomkal has been in charge, we have had NO buildings created. we have been ruled by an iron fist and faced 2 votes. In the first, where GE duked, Thomkal was the judge. He also refused to allow fontisian to stand trial. Thomkal also imprisoned Zinto for speaking out against him.
In the second vote, some of you voted to kill saldana, who ended up being a good guy.

I want to focus on one of the things that Zinto said to get imprisoned...



Later he explained the reference.



The first line from wikipedia:
“First they came …” is a famous statement and provocative poem attributed to pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the cowardice of German intellectuals following the Nazis' rise to power and the subsequent purging of their chosen targets, group after group. Variations and adaptations in the spirit of the original have been published in the English language."

And the original poem...
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


Next there was this...



The note read: "Viva Le Resistance"
French Resistance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The first sentence from wiki
"The French Resistance (French: La Résistance française) is the name used to denote the collection of French resistance movements that fought against the Nazi German occupation of France and against the collaborationist Vichy régime during World War II."


I looked into these 2 wiki pages this morning, after the death of Chief, and I found a loose correlation - both were against the Nazi's.

The writer of the poem was a German Martin Niemöller that opposed the Nazis. Viva Le Reistance is a french phrase used by French resistants to the Nazi rule. Because of the two nationality differences, I let this go and did no pursue it any further. I thought it was simply a loose correlation.
But then...



"Ja Wohl" Let me google that...
jawohl - Wiktionary

Ja Wohl is a essentially a German phrase meaning "Yes Sir!", often used in a military context.


This is no longer a coincidence. We know Thomkal is a retired Army General. I am under the belief that Thomkal is a retired NAZI Army General.
We now have 3 German/Nazi references, and have made no progress as a colony since Thomkal has become our leader.

I am not accusing Thomkal of any of the murders, as I have no facts to support that claim. However, I do believe that Thomkal is a former Nazi General, and it is likely that he is NOT the best person to be our leader.

I do not know why Chief Rum was injured, and I am not sure why the "French Resistance" note was left on him. It does not appear he had anything to do with the Nazis, so this piece does not add up to me.

I also know that the Nazis were defeated around 70 years ago (1945ish), and that would mean THomkal would have to be 90+ years old, which doesn't quite add up. But the rest of the proof seems to be there.

Also Thomkal is now injured, so if we wish to remove him from Leadership NOW would be the optimal time to do so.

i like this post a lot from raven and he's not been on my radar at all for anything.
the thomkal/zinto stuff. I'm not sure what it's about. He didn't know a lot at the time so he may have been guessing or worried about zinto. zinto has been a little off at times to me especially early on. so i think he saw the same oddities with zinto that i did. THe jailing yes is a little weird. But it may have been one of those "okay I'll pick someone" things. I've for the most part trusted thom and his posts.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

Vote: Britrock

This is probably a rash decision, and I'm opening to changing it, but right now I'm pretty peeved.

what were you peeved about suicane?

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

I wanted to point out something similar like your point about just because someone is a retired general doesn't mean he's a good guy but no one seem like they wanted to believe me with some of my other claims so I stopped making comments like that.

i kinda like this post actually. It is also on par with his attitude towards things all game.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

Vote: Britrock

This is probably a rash decision, and I'm opening to changing it, but right now I'm pretty peeved.

another thing about this tho, why is it a rash decision after brit shenaniganned at deadline...or should I say after has Passacagliaed.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by timmae

Another thought... Per Ravens thoughts the murderers could be the resistance parties to Thom's reign. One of the supplies was the oven to cremate the dead. It is now being used to take care of the lynch victim. Is it just a coincidence that mission control sent the oven? Is the stowaway connected to the change in power? The stowaway was not on the manifest and I assumed mission control didnt know about them. What if they did? Is CF linked to Thom's reign?

Need to do a deep dive back in connections throughout this awful vacation trip to Mars.

i'm only linked to thom in the fact that i was an early fan and voted for him initially. I also (obviously) voted for him during the recall election.
(and also voted for Leslie Knope. DAMN JAMM!)

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by timmae

Thanks a lot four horseman... Had to go awake the Bull!

I don't know what this means.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by timmae

Man we are gonna look like complete idiots when this is done.

this post bothers me a little.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Bloodbath Ensues

Screams are heard. Multiple screams and a major struggle.

In the chaos that follows everyone is scrambling to see what has happened. There is blood everywhere, an incredible struggle must have taken place.

Then the fog in your mind clears and you see the drama which has played out...

fontisian has become a victim of a killer. She has been strangled in her weakened state. There is a note next to her. "Angel of Mercy" It seems the killer has gotten bolder and named himself.

Laying in a puddle of blood you see britrock88. He has been brutally attacked and murdered. What is happening in this colony? Next to his body you see a note "Viva La Resistance...Revenge!!!"


fontisian was a history teacher that was fired for making students pay for better grades. She was your first leader, newly elected member of the police force and now murdered by a psychopath. She was also the leader of The Resistance and had brutal kill abilities (she took someone with her, or her supporter(s) did for her).

britrock88 was a police officer that was suspended for brutality before he joined the colony. He served on the police force while with the colony. He was also a member of the Truth Seekers with cunning ability (he would not scan as a wolf).

okay font was killer victim and she definitely brutaled brit.
I originally said bullmoose special which was a totally random time random person kill. But it specifically says the killer killed her. So I guess the killer triggered the bullmoose special?

Golden Eagle is still in jail for day 9 since it said he couldn't do anything day 9. So that means GE isn't the killer. He COULD still be in the resistance if he still has resistance friends (that are not futile)

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by timmae

Oh man.... Where is my pillow?!

I also do not know what this means. do I want to know?

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Grover

So we have three groups, so to speak.

The Resistance... (wolves?)

The Truth Seekers (vanilla?)

The psychopath (either/or?)

psycho killer....ces ca sei...f-f-f-fa-fa-f-f-f-fa-fa and I runrunrun runrunrunraway...

There is also colonists.
I wouldn't be surprised if there was something else out there too

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

i was thinking that the truth seeker thing WAS the murderer.
I don't know

oh I did these before.
gotta check now who was the truth seeker. I thought they were the resistance

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by timmae

The Gun was discovered Day 3. There is no discussion of who discovered it or how it was found. We do know that Font was the leader at the time. Maybe she knows more? Also, the following individuals were working on the task that day:

On Voted Action
britrock88
Suicane75
Thomkal
GoldenEagle
DanGarion
Raven
Shoveler
Zinto
CrimsonFox

Could one of them snuck off to search (i.e. be a searching role within the game)? The medical center was not completed due to lack of effort.

Chief didn't get 100% better. Was it due to not having the full team on him? Those caring for him that night:

Work on Chief Rum
Autumn
ntndeacon
fontisian

i definitely feel that timmae is doing more hunting than a lot of people.
COuld be cover but meh. It's also not hard to stand out in this department in this group.

[CrimsonFox]

I can't find the Seekers of Truth reference anymore and I forgot how to look at one person's posts only. Anyone? Anyone?

(It reminds me of the Firesign Theatre bit from "Everything you know is wrong" satirizing art bell and coast to coast am)

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

*crickets*

"...because jellicles are and jellicles do
Jellicles do and jellicles would
Jellicles would and jellicles can
Jellicles can and jellicles do..."

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by timmae

OK, of this list I am suspicious of people who have been following but have been a bit UTR. That list includes: Zinto, Shark, Jackal and recently Raven.

i don't remember anything about jackal and he hasn't pinged me at all but yeah he's just kinda staying tucked away isn't he.
Zinto pinged me a lot early on. i wouldn't be surprised if he were at least resistance.
shakr of course keeps freaking out every time i mention him.
raven seems the coolest of the four.

[timmae]

was it post #2862 CF?

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Bloodbath Ensues

Screams are heard. Multiple screams and a major struggle.

In the chaos that follows everyone is scrambling to see what has happened. There is blood everywhere, an incredible struggle must have taken place.

Then the fog in your mind clears and you see the drama which has played out...

fontisian has become a victim of a killer. She has been strangled in her weakened state. There is a note next to her. "Angel of Mercy" It seems the killer has gotten bolder and named himself.

Laying in a puddle of blood you see britrock88. He has been brutally attacked and murdered. What is happening in this colony? Next to his body you see a note "Viva La Resistance...Revenge!!!"


fontisian was a history teacher that was fired for making students pay for better grades. She was your first leader, newly elected member of the police force and now murdered by a psychopath. She was also the leader of The Resistance and had brutal kill abilities (she took someone with her, or her supporter(s) did for her).

britrock88 was a police officer that was suspended for brutality before he joined the colony. He served on the police force while with the colony. He was also a member of the Truth Seekers with cunning ability (he would not scan as a wolf).

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by timmae

vote DanGarion

Throwing an early vote out there to see what others think. Although I am 0 for 2 in finding the wolf so who knows..

i'm not certain his attitude/read points to a killer for me but that brit vote was whack.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by timmae

was it post #2862 CF?

ah thank you! I DID see the post and missed it at the bottom that time

so murder was truth seekers.

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

another thing about this tho, why is it a rash decision after brit shenaniganned at deadline...or should I say after has Passacagliaed.

All i had to go on was the action but it cost us a good guy. I was hella mad at the moment but figured it might play out reasonable like. Lookin less and less like it though.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

ah thank you! I DID see the post and missed it at the bottom that time

so murder was truth seekers.

er wait okay I'm really confused.

truth seekers - was brit (wolves)
resistance - was font who killed brit on the way down
killer - this has been assumed to be a lone guy...killed font and all the other weak people. brit was a MEMBER of the truth seekers...aka more than one. So killer was not truth seekers it seems. right? i guess the strangulations COULD be from a group of people...but the "Angel of Mercy" card does indicate one person.

okay I think that's more clear.

what you guys think

[Grover]

CF, are you that convinced that GE has nothing to do with the murders? If anyone else is so convinced, I'll unvote him.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Sharkn20

Vote Shoveler

For me the Mafia man could be the original Wolf... See how it goes...

I would like to explore the flatlands despite my lack of strength, hopefully somebody with good physical attributes wants to go! I won´t vote unless more peopple wants to come as well, however

how have you been judging shoveler's posts? DO you have any kind of read on him? THe fact that shoveler is damaging people does stink. Chief thought he was a kind of seer tho. Shove, have you actually been finding out stuff from the people you beat up?

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Grover

CF, are you that convinced that GE has nothing to do with the murders? If anyone else is so convinced, I'll unvote him.

if he was in jail during the murders, how can he kill someone?

[CrimsonFox]

if seekers are not the killer I guess he could be one of those too.

If the killer/angel of mercy is not in the seekers of truth, then we haven't seen the seekers of truth kill ANYBODY at night right?
It's been all strangulations and vivas?

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I am pretty sure that Iam the last of the original folks that had a great medical score. So there really can't be another choice for primary doctor at this point.

is there still even an ability to appoint people to things?

[timmae]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

er wait okay I'm really confused.

truth seekers - was brit (wolves)
resistance - was font who killed brit on the way down
killer - this has been assumed to be a lone guy...killed font and all the other weak people. brit was a MEMBER of the truth seekers...aka more than one. So killer was not truth seekers it seems. right? i guess the strangulations COULD be from a group of people...but the "Angel of Mercy" card does indicate one person.

okay I think that's more clear.

what you guys think

I don't remember seeing a reference as to Truth Seekers being more than one individual but for some reason I am thinking it is multiple.

Do we need to cross reference who was in jail each of the nights so we have a better grasp on the murders? We are starting to know more about who was with the resistance and who may have been sided with Thom.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Shoveler

At this point I don't think it is in my best interest or the colonies best interest to divulge my findings. When the time is right I will let you know.

oooooooooookay
um is that point before or after we all die?

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Raven

I'm struggling here. The major issue is I don't know if the groups (The Reistance, and the other) are good or bad...

i'm looking at them as teams more than goods/bads.
resistance and angel of mercy sure like killing.
truth seekers purpose unknown
colonists um...survive and thrive and start Moon Eden in their Moon Buggies?

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

i'm looking at them as teams more than goods/bads.
resistance and angel of mercy sure like killing.
truth seekers purpose unknown
colonists um...survive and thrive and start Moon Eden in their Moon Buggies?

in the back seat, of course

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

I really don't get the votes for me now. I haven't been anywhere near the recent deaths... Very confused.

what do you mean 'near'?

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by timmae

All of the deaths the last 2 days have been NK's, right?

no i don't think so. The font/brit happened during the day after suicane's vote

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Grover

Vote GoldenEagle

Given the fact he duked to the leader of a faction that seems like a poor percentage vote. I seriously doubt he's in the resistance at least.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by timmae

Brit was caught in a trap the same night JAG was killed. I assume Brit's was a failed murder try and his ally killed JAG.

hmmm I wonder is the Trappers is yet another group. This IS The Warriors. I knew it.

Warriors....come out to play-ee-yay

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Raven

Agreed. The death of Chief and Autumn sure appears to be opportunistic for ntn to rise to head doctor.

My opinion is either ntn is responsible for their deaths to increase his own stature, or ntn is a next target (in an attempt to kill all of our medical staff to prevent us from healing each other).

I have the same exact opinion on ntn, but I really have no other choice unless someone with significant medical skill steps forward.

[timmae]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

no i don't think so. The font/brit happened during the day after suicane's vote

Reread it... yes, no reference to it happening at night.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

Well I know why Thomkal can trust me. I trust him and if he trusts Suicane I'm behind him being in the police force.

interesting.

incidently thom's outbursts. Are they normal for him? Since he made several of them I guess they are legit. I always am cautious when people make "Oh sorry for screwing up so much" types of posts.

NOthing else from thom has really pinged me. I understand his desire for leader conected to his character .

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Reading through and don't want to go back to reply to stuff. I voted font and I'm not a wolf. I pwomise.

huh Narcizo is still in the game. totally forgot about him. :P

He and zinto both pinged me early on a tad.

[CrimsonFox]

another thought. Are colonists finding traps and setting them? That sounds logical but when would they be able to do that?

[Grover]

unvote GoldenEagle

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Hah! Spidey-sense = success. I just KNEW Britrock was trying to buy trust/pull a scan by switching his vote at the end of the day. Pity you've only got my word for that.

NO WAY he does that if DanGarion is on his wolf team. Every villager voting DanGarion needs to move their votes elsewhere. I don't think I can stress this too much. The cunning would not play vote jump to save a team member.

hmmmmm I guess I can see that.
then why did he stick his neck out like that. FUD possible.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Oh wow! I just read all this stuff closely now. I now wish everybody would forget post #2920. Thank you very much.

So two wolf teams. And the lone killer hit fonti and she brutaled the cunning? Whaddardaodds?

Would rather not. At least it's worth analyzing.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Raven

Agreed. The death of Chief and Autumn sure appears to be opportunistic for ntn to rise to head doctor.

My opinion is either ntn is responsible for their deaths to increase his own stature, or ntn is a next target (in an attempt to kill all of our medical staff to prevent us from healing each other).

Originally Posted by Suicane75

I don't really think I'm qualified skill wise for the job, but I'd rather do it over Dan, who I'm not sold on.

I'll be honest-I thought Dan was the best choice for the murderer when I heard he was a cult leader. But I trust the info I have on him. wouldn't surprise me though if he has some other secret. And you suicane probably want my job given your past. Sometimes events bring together strange bedfellows I guess. The nomination for the police force won't take effect until deadline, so I have a while today to think about it at least.

[Thomkal]

Oops sorry for the multi-quote there-stupid fingers

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

So with two teams the voting records have to be treated with caution. Brit pushed Crimson in the lead on day seven which gives Crimson some trust vis-a-vis being a member of the Truth Seekers but he could still be a member of the Resistance. However it makes less sense to vote for him because he is a lower percentage play.

The fact that there's a cunning in the game makes me think that there must be a seer as well. Dunno if that's Shoveler although you have to wonder why he's still alive if that's the case.

I'm thinking that there were 3 or 4 wolves in each team. If they are mutually ignorant of each other then there could be four making it 12:4:4 when we started the voting and now making it 8:3:3 (or 7:3:3:1 if you count in the Angel). Which isn't ideal to be honest. Only one night kill last night so either one of the kill conditions is based on health and physical ability or wolf kills don't effect other wolves and one of the teams hit the other. What a mess.

hmmmm "why shoveler's still alive if he's a seer". this is a good point.